If what your saying is true, people shouldnt sell their trees. Essentially, your saying that at the moment timber itself is very cheap. Fine. Leave em stand then. If all yall will pay is pittance shekels, keep em!

What's insane is we dont have a HD anywhere close so Im stuck with lowes but I bought some 2x4s from there last month and I was shocked how straight their boards were, didn't take long at all to get mine.... I miss HD though,and hate lowes.

No chance you would. There are steps you need to understand to get premium lumber from any tree.

​@brianrajala7671 : There's one step: actually drying the wood fully before you saw or plane it. You can get perfectly straight boards with hand splitting and planing - people have been doing it for centuries. The wood just has to be stable first. Big box store lumber is only as bad as it is because the wood isn't properly dried (to cut costs). There's nothing wrong with the way they actually process they wood, since they use the same lumber mills as everyone else.

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I am reminded that as of about 20 years ago, over 3700 different companies including farmers, manufacturers, transportation companies, warehousing, et al, were involved on a daily business delivering food to New York City. This done without any wide coordination, just owople and companies trying to get things done and succeed. At any given time, the city only contains enough food for two days, but it all just works.

And that means you’re probably on the wrong channel

But if you planted trees that you can coppice for some valuable or useful wood, you can at least harvest them small scale 'and' keep rejuvenating those trees to further benefit your woodland. Alder, for instance, is a good tree for growing in boggy spots, where other trees often don't grow so happily. It coppices really well, supports a lot of birds over the winter months (seeds, bugs hiding out in the lichens that 'always' cluster over Alder branches), and wood turners love Alder wood. Also, Alder has a habit of creating these special little modules of really hard wood, especially prized by bowl makers, because of the unique patterns in the grain. You could harvest Hazel for walking stick makers (I have such a craftsman very near to where I live), or for firewood. If walking sticks don't appeal, you can go full rustic, practice some Olde English arts, and make hurdles from Hazel poles to sell/use. Cherry will resprout from the restock in most cases (I've only ever had one fail to grow back - and that was entirely my fault, not the tree's). Ash trees - well you just try keeping those things down. Before you know it, it's up and twice as strong. Same with Goat Willow, grows like a weed. Chopped down my monster Goat Willow twice, and it's now every bit as big as it was when I first bought this place. There's enough firewood in that to keep a house toasty all winter. Apple wood is more of an occasional, selective pollarding tree rather than coppicing, but is highly valued among wood turners. You have to season that with a lot more care, adding to its value, but it's certainly doable. The thing with coppicing or pollarding is, it keeps a tree young and vigorous. There are some who believe that, like a Bonsai tree, there's a possibility that correctly managed coppiced/pollarded trees could live forever. I have a row of old coppiced trees on my little bit of land, and they all look to be about 350-400 years old. And these are nothing like as old as some coppiced Hazel's in my country, some are estimated to be at least twice that. Normally, a Hazel bites the dust at 150 years. When I moved here, these old Hazels had been abandoned to grow out, probably because of modern heating and fencing. But as soon as I had time, I started work on them. Slowly at first, because I didn't want to shock them too much, some were that close to expiring. Now I have some response from them, I know that I can start to work harder on them. It's not cruel, not wasteful. It's preserving them for the future. There has been a great deal of very recent interest in coppicing and pollarding on English woodland channels, so you might want to take a look, give it a chance, use it to help maintain your own woodland, and make yourself a little bit of extra pocket money at the same time - if just to spend it on some new wildflowers, a pond, or something else to benefit your 5 acres.

You still need to manage your forest. Trees grow and age.

@@Debbie-henriWell if you're planning to live for 300 years, you might be able to have lots of trees to sell. Most people start to slow down around 60.

​@@Coillcara and? Old trees fall down and local wildlife lives out of the tree and renews the soil.

So true, have seen a number of acres of trees that would be given away to improve sunlight, but due to steep hills and streams no one would touch them unless they were paied them to take them to the sawmill.

That's the challenge for me. I own some landlocked land with my cousins and am in the process of buying them out. The worst part though is the word 'landlocked'. There used to be a county right-of-way up until 2006. Then the country ceded it to my neighbor without any public notice. Who then promptly sold it to another neighbor or had just purchased mutually adjoining land promptly spent $50k upgrading the right-of-way. But this guy didn't consider it a right-of-way any longer. My Dad and I went to the county commissioner to discuss but they crawfished out of the issue simply saying the new neighbor couldn't legally keep us out of our property. Thankfully we have another way into the property but still. The country did us wrong.

@@blackseabrew Sounds like you need a lawyer.

A very valid point. Some of the big commercial woodlands near me have new roads going a long way into them. Having just paid out several thousand to fix a smaller, narrower track halfway to my house, I can imagine these roads get into 6 figures, let alone 5.

a lot of it is transporting equipment costs, if there are area nearby they can log at the same time then you can get a good deal

I doubt 1% of old growth redwoods remain.

Please stop logging California. I wish humanity would stop using old growth forest. I used to be a logger and I can't stomach it anymore the horrible distraction I've witnessed over the past 30 years has changed the way I look at consumption.

It should be a federal crime to cut down old growth.

@@donaldkasper8346 Boomers are incapable of thinking beyond their own lifespan.

Yep. I'm in WV....so different planet as far as timber, but have 150 acres of white oak, red oak, hickory, tulip poplar....lots of options. Woodland Mills 130Max. We have a tractor, too. You can do it without one but man, is it useful.

what is your property taxes on that land? for many growing trees is a loss just over property taxes. i find it odd that almost 50 years ago a german company was in this area paying over a thousand dollars a piece for white oak over 3 feet in diameter. of course nowdays those trees are getting rare in this area except in parks.

There was a crew that was cutting down trees illegally and stealing the timber. They finally got caught when they tried to steal timber from land owned by a local college. The criminals got off easy in my opinion.

My reluctance to have any timbering done on my land is due to four reasons. First is that I love the woods. That is why I live here and not in a field. Secondly, the money will probably not overcome or outweigh the negative of the other three factors. Third, I have seen the results on the land from timbering. Especially the use of tracked vehicles is injurious to the land. But however, the roads are always terrible, at all of the places which I have seen. Consider the thinness of forest soil. Considerable clay runs onto my land from a neighbor's runoff due to clear-cutting. Ugly. Ugly. Forth, the myths about timbering being an improvement for the land. They say that the land opens up for new growth. Yes. Weeds and scrub brush. They say that it improves the hunting. Really? Then why do those guys want to hunt on MY land? I have the deer and turkeys and the bears, not them! And everywhere where there are roads or the land was scarred NOTHING GROWS. To actually make a forest grow back you need intense forestry work $$$$. You can expect an eyesore for years, and no deep beautiful old growth in your lifetime.

@@victorhopper6774 and because they are rare it’s why the price was so high

@@fairyhollowcreationsmarsde2777 not so rare 50 years ago here. 35 years ago i bought white oak green for 1,25 a bd foot here. now i just get it out of skids for free when i can.

sounds fascist

My relative owns 60 acres in a region of tree farms. I suggested he do what you did, noting that a large old black walnut tree in Ohio with 60 feet of clear span sold for over $100,000 back then. He did not take me up on my suggestion. It's now been 30 years.

There is actually some good law and case history around the unconstitutionality of unfunded "takings". You could likely have forced the local government to pay you for the value of those trees.

The pine tree values have crashed with the closure of the Perry Mill and the mill in South Georgia. Tough times in the pine woods right now.

Even though I grow my own firewood, finding a source of scrap wood is still very welcome and, as you say, costs an unreasonable amount of money to dispose of. I used to work in a hardware store, and out the back there were several skips - and each one cost £300 to empty. The store manager was always asking us if we wanted to take anything from the skips to just take it, and that would include scrap wood.

He talked about kiln drying taking days and being energy intensive.

I would ask you to look at your trees, as if it were coal, oil, gold or anything else that must be extracted, once you do, you realize these people are trying to rob you.

The price of a tree has not gone up in over 30 years? If you look at coal, oil, gold or anything else that must be mass extracted, you realize that you are being ripped off, especially in logging and mills, that are static production. So there is a rule in production of any kind the longer you make something the faster, cheaper and better you can produce it. In logging and milling, when done right there is 0% waste, it is all used. oil, coal, gold, have Huge wastes, and yet. ...etc. You could double or triple the price to the land owner, and still produce end product a 2x4 stud, for $0.99 per /stud retail.

The typical small project the value at mill of the timber is split, 50% to harvester/transporter and 50% to timber owner. $3 to 5K per acre would be a reasonable range of expectation for the owner to have in pocket. Lumber Mills pay on a price per 1K board feet number that is always fluctuating. Each species of tree has it's own price. In the PNW Cedar is the best and Douglas Fir is second with other Fir species being similar to DF. Hardwoods are pretty much always low (Maple, Alder, Cottonwood). Seeing the price of hardwood in lumber stores I never seem to get the highest prices of hardwoods at retail yet low as timber. Construction materials is by far the largest volume and maybe that explains it.

@@Stan_in_Shelton_WA live in a area where there is no natural pine or fir at all. its all hardwoods and given the cost of the land it makes no sense to grow lumber at all. even the little mills are gone. shame cause this area can grow nice 5 ft oak ,walnut,and maple.

You dont know what you are talking about.

'Used to have some operations in the East Texas 'piny-woods'. When small-time loggers would come through to selectively harvest the hardwoods, they would tend to scatter the tops and branches everywhere, especially on the private lease roads. My field supervisor would get incensed about it. 'Funny to watch how he would react when it came up.

Or they leave the property looking like a logger went through it because that’s what happened. It’ll grow back.

Oh, some definitely can. Loggers that took down my neighbour's woodlands nearly 10 years back damaged our shared road, lit fires so thick smoke blew across our properties (until the landowner noticed and told them to stop it), and then kept dropping each and every log over the same bit of fence and onto the telephone and internet cable - until it broke. (Oh, they knew it was there. They made the mistake of telling me so. Fortunately, the phone company didn't want to get involved in an argument and swiftly fixed it for free).

And most importantly they decimate the soil!!! After they leave you will have a massive, gigantic weed problem for years and years to come.

Similar situation in Virginia. It takes far longer than prescribed, the checks from the Mill get split with the land owner, the logger hires various folk, and a whole bunch of waste gets left behind.

Can you let me know where they are selling their equipment…im looking to capitalize on poorly run businesses and get some good deals

​@@TheAcenightcreeperwell post showed state,should they hold your hand to help you take advantage of someone's misfortune?

@@robertlawler1387hey it’s business. Chances are they auction it off and highest bidder wins but at their own risk. Are you going to help out the buyer who paid to much? I doubt it…

@@robertlawler1387 better than nothing at all.

@@geocam2 Particularly in difficult terrain!

Respect.

There is a reason there are so few loggers. It’s a very costly operation to pull out those walnut trees. If you had more trees the price would be better. One must bring same equipment and incur same costs doing so whether it’s 18 or 180 trees.

@@oNeGiAnTLiE I have hundreds of walnut trees..... and can deliver. But they wont even consider buying the logs wont even look at them ! ! My son cuts trees for other loggers. He knows what hes doing. Bottom line......they want the easy profits ! Even though its lots of work cutting and hauling trees...... they should at least be able to give a good offer....instead they walk away ! Its about " money " !!!

The guy that logged my grandfathers property promised 25 k he got about 5 could do shit cause it was a handshake. Dude went from a few pieces of raggedy ass equipment to a beautiful fleet very quickly

Your operation sounds a lot like mine, actually. I don't disagree. My style of ownership is very active. I actively sell logs and make money from my land, but I do it all myself. It would be easier to outsource everything, but it is a source of great satisfaction for me.

I think contract foresters believe they deserve their cake and to eat it too as I've had various stems valuated by different people that throws stem value out the window; e.g. estate developers offering $50,000AUD for each of just two individual hoop pines. Another example- a miller who's been milling and turning timber for over 40 years valuing another hoop pine specimen for the same amount ($50,000AUD).. and a third example- widespread community analysis of an old-growth teak valuing the stem at between $500,000-$1,000,000. .... These are all anecdotal but entirely true. It wouldn't surprise me to have a timber-getter value the stems at less than 1/10th what these others have valued it as. Why? Well, if they know the value and pay less for the stem, then their profit margin multiplies exponentially.

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It's not something you can do casually even a cheap old wood-mizer is several thousand dollars.

@@jacquestuber628 If your talking casually, you can do casual with a used loggersol bench style chainsaw mill and a proper ripping chain. Way cheaper than a used woodmizer. Other cheaper chainsaw mills that woodmizer makes that are cheaper and portable too. There's cheap options to get started.

We set up a band mill last summer to compliment our circle mill. We added enough track to cut 30' beams. By the time we break even, we'll have to repair or replace half of the parts. The circle mill is Caterpillar powered, and the loader is a John Deere. We're waiting on about 8 Grand in parts to repair the engines.

@@billywalker9223 why is the equipment so shtty?

Interesting. I need to learn more about mining. It seems like a fascinating process.

@@thetimberlandinvestor im not as well versed on strip mining which has a lot of legal overhead. But when it comes to deep level. The pay is good but you as a miner must bring up 25 tons of coal (a supervisor is always down there with you, most the current deep skips in the mammoth vein are 2 ton cap so the supervisor keeps track of the number) and you only work as long as you need to.. Now we do bores every so often along work paths to keep track on surface of areas mined. This is so when the mine is being closed "the vein is being robbed" as we work our way back we can start fill blasting in order to prevent future subsidence and make the above land safe to build on.. In theory

Make Sure you Discuss this w/ a couple Lawyers.and get a good one. --- Key Point. : For Intentional or reckless Act. == Tripple. Damages. So 3 x the Normal Value of the Trees or the Lumber you would have created with your setup. If some neighbor intentionaly cuts down a few of your trees and takes them -- on your property border. -- your lawyer would sue for Tripple damages 3X the Value of the trees. So you try to get them for that.

Oddly I would suggest talking to the local Farm Bureau or National Forestry Service about valuation assistance.