Why Your Tracks Sound Cheesy

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Why Your Tracks Sound Cheesy

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@eyvindjr 6 ай бұрын

Don't stop at octaves! You should find the key signature where your synths sound the best too.

@Pyroific 6 ай бұрын

very true, a lot of electronic music is around D-F because the sub bass hits hardest at those frequencies!

@Pyroific 6 ай бұрын

of course!@@tuulymusic3856

@darz_k. 5 ай бұрын

Can you elaborate on that point please? Or link to some info on it?

@Pyroific 5 ай бұрын

the root note of your song, try pitching everything but the drums up or down a few semitones and see what feels best@@darz_k.

@eyvindjr 3 ай бұрын

@@darz_k. This is especially important for the low end. Make sure to pick a key where the lowest note of your bass line is in a sweet spot between to muddy and deep enough by changing the pitch by half steps. You can do this with all other instruments too. For acoustic instruments, the way they are played also matters.

@rymbre 6 ай бұрын

I couldn't stop listening to the track previews, the way it switched to version 2 was so good. Awesome tips!

@ac34116 6 ай бұрын

id say the higher octave sounds more cheesy but thats maybe just me, but i agree with you that the change in octave is actually a sweet development if used together

@danny.phanmusic 6 ай бұрын

yup its too good to be in this video

@allseven5177 6 ай бұрын

@@ac34116 I agree. The higher octave sounds more cheesy. It all sounds cheesy.

@MosheBenChaim 6 ай бұрын

@@allseven5177 The music itself is cheesy.. 😂

@francisguyo 6 ай бұрын

Music creation has so many secrets just like in this video. You need a lot of learning and deep understanding to create amazing music. Great content!

@ceasarsalad2055 6 ай бұрын

But the thing is these aren't even kept as "secrets". These things are really just naturally adapted through years of experience and one wouldn't even think about explaining this to a beginner because they wouldn't even notice themselves that this is their thought process. It's amazing really how he can teach us small things that makes a huge difference

@Nako3 6 ай бұрын

At the same time you can have 0 music knowledge and still create something great

@ileryon4019 6 ай бұрын

Bruh just learn music theory

@alexmasak7735 6 ай бұрын

This isn't a secret at all. This is beginner level stuff that you should just intuitively know without anyone telling you

@schqrr 6 ай бұрын

exacttly bro

@GuRuGeorge03 6 ай бұрын

Great advice. I don't make music anymore but i remember learning lessons like this the hard way through 1000s of hours of experimenting, listening to my tracks in actual clubs and stuff. Some great advice that i can give is to try to copy your favourite music, you will hit roadblocks quite quickly and it will show you what you don't know yet, so you can then search for the information more directly

@TheR6R6R 6 ай бұрын

+1 This is what I do all the time. The only negative I can think of is that we have to be able to rub away the sound of the artists' we were 'studying' when the time finally comes for us to create something original. Otherwise, that's just copying.

@kantstress 6 ай бұрын

ya this is the method

@volderhamer 6 ай бұрын

@@TheR6R6R Although if you copy from enough people, it becomes original again.

@andyto629 6 ай бұрын

Yep. Go for the sound you love. It’s pretentious to think that your track will even be compared to the Artist you’re channeling

@kantstress 6 ай бұрын

@@andyto629 fr

@hertzcules 6 ай бұрын

I like cheese

@michaellambert5614 6 ай бұрын

Okay

@py_a_thon 6 ай бұрын

Everything is about context. If you mean the meme of "cheesy music", then the context is what you do with that perception. Do you make a meta joke about your cheesy bass line? Do you lean into the concept fully and make an absurdly loud 4 bar loop that hits really loud? Do you invert the concept, and use it as a way to shock the audience before the "real music" kicks in? Or do you just avoid the perception entirely, and then you know what it is that you do not want to create as music?

@unknownmusicman 6 ай бұрын

Me too

@doggedoge7255 6 ай бұрын

@@py_a_thon 💯 even the transition here between the two versions added some interest to the track

@VOIDSTRANGER2099 6 ай бұрын

The cheesier the better

@ihaetschool3361 6 ай бұрын

another tip for aspiring prodeucers who don't want cheesiness: start out making songs in minor keys... major is arguably the hardest key to work with, after locrian. it's not easy to make something non-cheesy with it. it's also very easy to make something really happy with minor, contrary to how minor is usually described. try making a VI-VII-v-i progression, for example. in A minor, that would be F-G-Em-Am. seriously, it's a great, happy-sounding progression. try throwing in a #VII (G#CD# here)in there, too, it can add some spice to the progression, the sky's the limit here

@andyto629 6 ай бұрын

It’s cool to see someone actually talking classical theory on here, especially Roman numerals

@Beyond_The_Fade555 6 ай бұрын

I love how generous you are with the knowledge u give away, thank u ive been gollowing u for 5 years, and learned the most i know from this channel.

@timmeeow 6 ай бұрын

I love simple tricks that you never think of despite seeming obvious. I'm on board too, sometimes when I say "finishing touches" on a project, that means I'm sitting in my editor incrementing a value in the default window then running it from the top. I know I like what I created, it just doesn't sound good yet lol Great video! The overlay information you add like "|----| subbass would sit here" is so helpful and entertaining to boot.

@aaronbazil 6 ай бұрын

Those two versions could just be one section, then leading up to the next version to uplift the mood. One section alone the whole time, as far as arrangement goes, would become stale. So there's movement between sections: you start at the bottom and rise up.

@athmaid 6 ай бұрын

Yeah that's a common problem with EDM imho, people copy paste too much without thinking about common methods like sequences to make a track more interesting and have it build and progress naturally

@aaronbazil 6 ай бұрын

@gordonbeckgb I mean, yeah, there's a place in the world for microwave ready edm tracks, as much as there is the opposite where there are elements of actual songwriting and musicianship. I love both. If I can, I wanna marry both together, if I can, in my own world.

@yamamushi 6 ай бұрын

I love these short to the point videos covering the problem and the solution in a few minutes, rather than the 30 minute videos one comes across from other KZfaqrs where they have to try to sell you something at least 3 times in the video and you feel like they could have covered the same thing in a third of the time.

@Wendel_Kos 4 ай бұрын

this is MASSIVE advice and a trap i used to fall for! Nexus and a lot of general stuff have no beef at lower octaves. Its much better to program lower octaves yourself and give those sounds a little space. Thanks for this video :)

@LLAWREN 6 ай бұрын

not only do you give great advice, your music also sounds awesome! 🔥👏😊

@Bluth96 6 ай бұрын

I like your style of teaching and sound of your music! Can you do a long form video of you just making a song so beginners can get a feel of the process?

@nrXic 6 ай бұрын

I make Happy Hardcore so this actually helps me make cheesier stuff. Thanks for all your tutorials, all great stuff!

@ericlemontu9099 6 ай бұрын

Great Stuff Z, as usual ! Thanks for your time and sharing your knowledge!

@djicebreaker80 6 ай бұрын

That was pretty cool, thanks for sharing your knowledge about how changing just the octaves makes it’s a sweet and very uplifting feeling, more brighter

@mvricks90 6 ай бұрын

When the bass notes changes you may have alterations in volume thats emphasized due to the low cut. Wouldn't it be a good solution to apply a dynamic eq like soothe instead? edit: damn that background synth is really cool!

@mattmavromusic 6 ай бұрын

Such a simple but effective tip! Thank you!!

@etfoltz 6 ай бұрын

5:45 I love the way the lines dance to the music. They look like they're alive and enjoying it :)

@TodaysThinks 6 ай бұрын

I think you shoulda started this video with your definition of cheesy. That concept seems subjective. I absolutely love both, for what it's worth. I think having it at the lower octave sounds... More solemn, nervous, or mournful. In shock. Processing. Lots of uncertainty. But version two sounds only triumphant, with no possibility that anything has gone poorly. It's almost a shame to waste the version that is that line on that octave. Is this full track anywhere online? I would love to scribble on it for funsies. Anyway I'll finish watching the video. Only halfway through... 😃

@JulesKennedvitch 6 ай бұрын

This is what I was thinking of lately ! It's amazing how this video was suggested to me at the right moment ! Great content, thank you ! And your music sounds so good !

@LogicKidroy 6 ай бұрын

Big Z sharing really useful knowledge.

@SunIsLost 6 ай бұрын

Yep

@JoeStuffzAlt 6 ай бұрын

I kind-of liked the cheese, but this tutorial can be used to create cheese. Also, I like some of the EQ tricks.

@xxzman 6 ай бұрын

Such a sick track. Great tips and sounds!

@uffevonlauterbach 6 ай бұрын

I don't really make EDM anymore, but the topic of production is still important, so I feel like I learned something.

@hubertprieger1766 6 ай бұрын

Super great tip! Your advice is very helpful. Thanks so much and thanks for your great music! I like this track

@user-hf3qm3mu5t 6 ай бұрын

Love it, this stuff is so important but so few people take the time to talk about it. Biggups!

@Maltino_Music 6 ай бұрын

Great Tutorial! Can u do a Video on using Stereo vs. Mono? Where do pan certain elements and what instruments should be centered.

@hithere4289 6 ай бұрын

theres no rule, but to get to that point where you need no rules you first need to make your song sound strong. that means all important elements are center and additive elements are free to roam the stereo spectrum like say a shaker thats at the bottom of your mix? well you can make it go L R in a soft way to give it movement

@Maltino_Music 6 ай бұрын

@@hithere4289Thanks. I Usually make Pads a bit more stereo and atmoshpere drones. I try to keep vocals, leads and bass centered and try to use the stereo for the drums (like shakers and stuff stereo). Would u agree with me when i say, that u can put ur core elements in mono, because if u do it well, every element has its own space and does not crowd the center too much? Best of greetings

@keithrutherford8785 5 ай бұрын

If you liked this video, research the overtone series. This is the theory behind why this octave adjustment is so critical and changes everything!

@DisRespectoids 6 ай бұрын

Right away you can tell version 2 is better because it’s a better version of the same idea, one of the big mistakes I and probably apt of people make with our music is being too into one moment and not into how to maximize what that moment represents in the best way possible, what can you add and subtract change variate etc it’s so important

@leonhard3944 5 ай бұрын

2:27 I have definitely made this mistake before! Thanks for setting me straight

@bestlifeever1211 6 ай бұрын

broooo.....value bomb, great track idea too. You should do a remix contest with it

@Patricia_Taxxon 6 ай бұрын

this is incomprehensible. 6 minutes of... what, noting the concept of register? your initial example didn't sound "cheesy" it just had a lot of arbitrary emptiness. this isn't "why your tracks sound cheesy" its just a video of you making decisions for specific sounds in a specific track based near exclusively on vibes.

@disrespecc9678 5 ай бұрын

It may be incomprehensible and a video with no end goal, but going off vibes (if you have music theory) seems like it should work

@Patricia_Taxxon 5 ай бұрын

yeah i already go off vibes i dont need a tutorial for that

@disrespecc9678 5 ай бұрын

@@Patricia_Taxxon real

@joewolf38 5 ай бұрын

I think that's the first thing you realise when you start making music. How to place instruments in "space" and "time". Like in classical music:-). (chord breakdown, layering)

@youngkizzi9944 6 ай бұрын

Just sooo insane ❤❤❤

@deatheternal720 6 ай бұрын

I did a track a cpl nights ago(for my wife as a valentines gift- it will premier on valentines on my channel rofl) where I took an 808, made one pattern, then copied it and all the mixing plugins(compressor for sidechain, util for stereo widening, and a cpl other things) and the pattern, but i pitched it down an octave for the sub, aand i put an eq 8 on the main where i made room for the sub. I also made the sub super wide comparatively.

@hannesjilmstad 6 ай бұрын

Haven't even watched the video or listened to the demos for the new pack but I just bought it anyway because vol. 1 was the best purchase of my life

@ericgoldin4600 6 ай бұрын

Thanks Big Z you da man!

@threepe0 6 ай бұрын

Neither sounds cheesy. If version one wasn't there, two wouldn't have an impact. Neither would that hesitation to deliver on that note in version two. But I suspect you know that ;-)

@quinnobi42 6 ай бұрын

I could definitely tell there was something more going on in the high end in the one-two comparison at the beginning. I didn't realise that moving whole parts up or down an octave could sound so similar. I guess with the synths there's a lot of overtones so it wouldn't be as noticeable as on an acoustic instrument.

@Beos_Valrah 6 ай бұрын

Acoustic instruments usually have many overtones too

@quinnobi42 6 ай бұрын

@@Beos_Valrah certainly, but obviously in a different way since they sound different.

@Beos_Valrah 6 ай бұрын

@@quinnobi42 This is not in your initial comment, you can edit it

@bonkerzmusic6506 6 ай бұрын

Your slope is very sharp with 36dB be careful, also switch to natural phase your mix will sound better.

@kjellbeats 6 ай бұрын

fantastic advice!

@PATRICKoxoEthafulm 6 ай бұрын

Man that ‘just eq it to make room for the bass ‘was something I needed to hear to get me out of the box

@phillynn79 6 ай бұрын

Wow, nice and unforgettable advice, thanks! And great track!

@CombatCatYT 6 ай бұрын

Of course remember. It depends on the song. If you are trying to make a cheesy sounding song. Do that. Creative pursuit triumphs.

@devohnhenry5828 4 ай бұрын

hey big z! if its worth your time can you make tut on how you create your chords for songs. genres of piano house like MK?

@sandersonstunes 6 ай бұрын

I love seeing tip on arrangements. It's too easy to get trapped in the gear or techniques of music production but at the end of the day a well written song with poor production is better than a bad written song with the best production.

@djruslanmazaev 3 ай бұрын

beautiful track bro

@elijahlucian 6 ай бұрын

Your videos are the bomb. And your music is dope too

@DonaId_J_Trump 6 ай бұрын

I was waiting for a super subtle change... Then the melody jumps a whole octave 😂

@ketz_165 6 ай бұрын

Happy deadmau5 vibes that was fire

@ypy6337 6 ай бұрын

Is This rule for bass for EVERY LAYER? Or it's just for SUBBASS?

@allans1212 6 ай бұрын

Each video is a masterclass 🔥

@Stochholm 6 ай бұрын

Are you going to publish this track soon?.. It´s amazing

@apersononurphone920 6 ай бұрын

"powerful instead of cheesy" okay this guy gets it

@tehRealPRM420 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip :)

@johnsignoretti4002 6 ай бұрын

Great tutorial!! Any future tutorials on EDM melody composition?? Thank you very much

@justinthiele5967 6 ай бұрын

So my two cents…bass needs to be at the sweet spot consistently. However, the synth sounded great going from the lower octave to the higher octave in the track. In fact, leaving it at the lower octave before going to the higher octave added to the excitement of the track.

@Nedvio 6 ай бұрын

Awesome video as always

@mou_aissa 6 ай бұрын

Nice job mate !!

@AudioAssassin 6 ай бұрын

Absolutely right, my friend. I get the feeling that you have been producing for around as long as I have. This is my 24th year of production :)

@mystikrebel1089 6 ай бұрын

really good tips !

@weakw1ll 6 ай бұрын

0:55 WOAH

@cooloneshellchew1986 6 ай бұрын

Bro is the hero of my production !!!!!!

@PhazeOfficial 6 ай бұрын

This track is a banger, release 🔥

@beantreats 6 ай бұрын

really great explanation style

@matt_freund 6 ай бұрын

Sweet tips man!

@matt.mastery 6 ай бұрын

Damn that song was good. And the sounds really nice. Will download

@julianmoncada6764 6 ай бұрын

Great video!!

@AlexGeek 6 ай бұрын

The synths alone remind me of Jarre

@alexanderperisteris8163 6 ай бұрын

nice track!

@SoundPeaks 5 ай бұрын

dope tune

@BVSISofficial 6 ай бұрын

Great channel thank you

@JulianMaea 6 ай бұрын

great tips for everyone!

@hdslave 6 ай бұрын

both sound cheesy. everything sounds cheesy to me today, maybe need to take a break from it all

@schqrr 6 ай бұрын

big help thanks bro

@mightymarlin97 6 ай бұрын

The added bassline and harmonies also helped but whatever

@metalyeezy 6 ай бұрын

this is craazy

@kiplingtturner 6 ай бұрын

Oh octaves and tunes hmmm u know I was hoping it was an eq fix

@Fiveash-Art 6 ай бұрын

That song reminds me of the scene when Natalie Portman's character is communicating with that weird A.I alien god thing at the end of Annihilation.

@jnfe 6 ай бұрын

I want to hear this song in full. Where is it?

@Paraay 6 ай бұрын

Basic but extraordinarily and remarkably important 🔥

@willyp249 6 ай бұрын

not many times i like the music in instruction videos but this is pretty good

@nickbatt399 6 ай бұрын

Thank you I love you

@partlysimpson5154 6 ай бұрын

Coz they sound like modern pop music

@Astral-Sine-Techno 6 ай бұрын

Thank you sir. : )

@gothicwvlff 5 ай бұрын

2:14 daniel give me coffee

@Walid.OnTheTrack6725 6 ай бұрын

i'm gonna watch your whole channel

@proxzi 6 ай бұрын

useful stuff

@scottbitz5222 6 ай бұрын

Under ~30 hz, you stop hearing that sound and start feeling it and typically you're only going to see those kinds of subwoofers capable of outputting those frequencies at festival grounds.

@mutio6278 6 ай бұрын

This is so good

@bennybutler1267 6 ай бұрын

your shit rules! Thanks so much for these awesome videos

@vin3421 6 ай бұрын

Damn son you make dem synth sound fine.

@rolandgerard6064 6 ай бұрын

Thanks.

@Beatsbasteln 6 ай бұрын

i totally forgot that this was something i learned at some point

@JensRefshoj 6 ай бұрын

Thanks Big Z. Great advice. Any reason why you shift back to Serum again from Vital?

@meru_lpz 6 ай бұрын

also the wavetable editor in both is pretty different, so might find yourself reaching for one or the other depending on what you want to do. i sometimes make/edit wavetables in serum to load them in vital, and viceversa