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- Zoro draws Enma. Oden: You dare use my own spells against me Potter?

Zoro scarred a much stronger & durable version of YONKO Kaido (Hybrid) whilst every bone in his body was shattered, all before his 'King of Hell' buff. Oden scarred a Kaido who wasn't a Yonko at the time, didn't use his Hybrid or Flame Dragon form & refrained from using Adv Conq or Future Sight. This suggests that Kaido was either holding back tremendously vs Oden, or he'd grown vastly stronger over the 20 years since Oden's death. Not saying Zoro wins but in terms of feats he's clear of Oden imo.

Okay fair enough, I see your point on why oden is still stronger than zoro. But dragon form Kiado is portrayed to be his weakest form. Why, because kid, luffy, law, zoro and the scabbards was able to press dragon form Kiado. Even the very first fight with raged luffy vs Kiado, luffy was knocking down dragon form Kiado. Also luffy with ryou was able to knock out dragon form Kiado with a weaker attack than zoro ashura form. There is evidence that dragon form Kiado is weaker than hybrid form.

Oden in the manga also say he has the "greatest swords style there is" after he witnesses roger fighting style. The vivre card also says he has the most powerful sword style and it was not a boast.

The scabbards with their weaker version of Paradise Totsuka were able to knock out Kaido in Dragon Mode.

Oden left a scar on Dragon Kaido(easy target) and then got one shotted by Base Kaido using Thunder bagua. Keep in mind this was Oden after he traveled with Whitebeard and Rogers.... Meanwhile, Zoro left a scar on Dragon Kaido(easy target) and on HYBRID Kaido( who was much stronger than any Kaido Oden fought) while having 20-30 broken bones and that was before he was the "King of Hell."

That panel of kaido taking about his old scar does in no way shape or form insist that oden could scar him like that again. He said they weren’t able to OPEN UP his old scar. If anything he’s implying that if they were as strong as oden back then they’d be able to open it up.

People really think kaido would put current zoro in his top 5 😂

Zoro isn’t quite there yet. But it’s not like they couldn’t fight. His 3 sword style and skill have surpassed oden. His relationship with conquerors however is very new and he’s not quite mastered it I don’t think. Regardless he puts up a fight against oden. A very good fight too

Oden vs Lucci who y’all got since this is apparently a topic

People always say Kaido was younger to downplay Oden, yet Kaido still put Oden in the same tier as Roger, Shanks, and Whitebeard. Obviously, not all of them are equals, but Kaido still respected Oden to put him in that same tier. In contrast, Kaido didn't sing Zoro's praises that much and instead focused on Luffy.

So Far During The Egghead Arc Zoro Has ⬇️ Cut The Giant Water Whirlpool With Bonnie In It ( Used Enma) Cut / Blocked Kakus Attack Shortly After He Woke Up ( With Enma) Blocked and Eventually Knocked Down Kaku With A Non Named Two Sword Style Attack ( With Arament Hardening Coated On His Blades) Intercepted S-Hawk With Two Sword Style (With Arament Hardening Coated On His Blades) Held off S-Hawk and S Bear Off Screen While Luffy Was Looking For Bonnie or Vegapunk , I don’t remember who he was looking for specifically ( Two Sword Style) Fought S-Hawk With Kaku Off Screen Classed With Lucci With Two Sword Style (With Arament Hardening Coated On His Blades) We have yet to see Zoro Complain About Enma Draining His Haki and Causing Him Trouble Currently During Egghead 👀

Rare L Zoro it’s definitely clear of Oden

Plotwise Zoro still needs some time to get to Oden level as it's clearly obvious he is got some more training to hone his skills with enma and Conquers Haki he just used them for the first time. It fits the narrative that Zoro will surpass all these legends but not this version of Zoro not yet.

If anyone thinks current Zoro loses to Oden, please keep that same energy for the remainder of the series when Zoro fights Kaku, Lucci, and future opponents.

When I go to the comments I can tell most of the zoro fans didn’t watch the video and came straight here to argue 😂 so delusional

ZKK cult is going too far man. zoro landed 1 good hit with all his might + enma buff and even though it scarred kaido (keep in mind a much smaller and shallower scar than oden's), it didnt knock kaido off his feet or have him too threatened. he proceeds to get 1 tapped while oden was at the very least going toe-to-toe with kaido while battling a whole army and tanking boro breaths, fighting on pretty equal terms imo. only reasons a thunder bagua did him in is because haki is heavily correlated to the user's emotional state as we've seen from sanji, and oden seeing momo like that nerfed him hella. this is the same oden that ate a kamusari from roger (the same move that 1 tapped a YC+ Kidd, who's on the same level as zoro) and got right back up. oden is still clear of zoro mid-high diff at worst.

The only reason I put Zoro potentially above Kaido is due to the fact that Zoro fought a stronger version of Kaido in a unhealthy condition then oden fighting a weaker Kaido in full health

Only argument I would make for Kaido is that his devil fruit gets stronger as he ages (the dragon got much bigger the older Momonosuke aged), so it is logical to say he is stronger 20 years later

to all the Zoro baboons here with an IQ of a floortile. Oden literally wiped Kaido in his most defensive form which is in dragon form. The scar is so immense that when Luffy in Gear 5 mops the floor with Kaido, there are 2 episodes with extremely clear shots of how tiny Zoro's slashes are on Kaido's body compared to Odens. Not only is Oden's scar by far the weakest point on Kaido's body, but Zoro's scar is entirely engulved by Odens. And maybe Kaido is 10-15% stronger now. It would not matter whatsoever to the points I made here. Oden's attacks where WAY stronger than Zoro's

Great video man. My only critici is that you shouldn't use kidos wound as a way of showcasing strength, because it has been shown throughout one piece that scares only stick when it is connected to a key point in a person's life.

I didn’t see the video bit Oden prime is stronger than Zoro for the moment. He can beat Kaido, zoro can’t, no need to argue more lol. But certainly, Zoro at the end of the manga, will be stronger than Oden

The power up that zoro got was literally for using enma, that shit tells you everything, oden was on a 1v1 with kaido, kaido in rooftop was fighting luffy, law, kidd, killer and zoro and yamato, also do yall think oden would struggle against lucci?

Great video!

Zoro damaged a more durable Kaido whilst having 20+ broken bones. Now he's even stronger in the new arc. It'd be a way closer fight than you're portraying. . Oden got no diffed by Roger. They weren't on the same level. You're just wanking Oden to the max and Downplaying Zoro. . I'm not sure if you're trying to be disingenuous or if you actually believe this crap.

I was kinda scared you were gonna say Zoro wins But thank god you think Oden wins

Exactly! I have nothing to add A perfect video

Silence the zoro fanboys that actually believe he stands a chance against oden 😭😭😭

I got some things to drop on this vid ill be back

Love your vids!

I only have on thing to say 20 years pass...the new gen always stronger than the old gen...so it make no sense that oden scar a based kaido 20 years ago is stronger than zoro that scared a prime hybrid kaido

ok i agree and disagree with some stuff, first of all or me oden stomps zoro mid diff but anyway saying kaido getting stronger in 20 years worth of time is exaggerated is crazy cause luffy went from chore boy to emporor in less than 5. so kaido is deffinatly stronger on the rooftop but oden didnt have 3 supernova to help him. so oden wins high-mid diff in my opinion

Wrong🤡🤡🤡🤡

There is also the virve card statement about oden’s attack being one of the strongest oden had taken which came out after zoro ashura

I just hate when people try to power scale one piece so I just say everything just tie

Zoro all but admitted that Oden was stronger. Who's trying to debate this? I read a KZfaq poll from a popular channel last year. 90% of those subscribers haven't even read One Piece from the beginning. They joined after the time skip, but those are the most vocal critics 🙄

Every feat Oden has Zoro has but Better Oden Scarred a Kaido early into his pirating career not counting his apprentice days in rocks pirates Zoro Scarred a much stronger and durable Kaido who was in his hybrid form which is clearly stronger than Dragon form Oden killed boar that some how wasn't dead(still confused about that) Zoro destroyed a mountain sized pica who was much bigger than the boar And Zoro has much better techniques than Oden

great video all good correct points

The statement with get as strong as you can could easily be about kaido getting overthrown due to the prophecy so it doesn’t matter how strong he gets (mocking) because he’ll lose anyways

Wow, this is a very bias video. Kaido not growing stronger after 20 YEARS? Zoro coating his attack on conq haki when using asura😂?? Despite later showing Zoro doing that against King and it looking vastly different. The bandages were not on King? So ur telling me asura was stronger than dragon damnation. U only cared to defend Oden. But when there are actaul statements about hybrid Kaido durability, that isn't taken into account. Good video regardless 👌

What Na If using kaidos shioulette as a basis for Ur argument u then have to question why bigmom blackbeard mihawk garp Sengoku all the admirals and even zoro(who also gave kaido a scar permanent scar) was not given the same level of acknowledgment

yo zage whats good zage

oden vs zoro not even close what a joke😂 bro is comparing nerfed zoro attack to buff oden attack anyway it is true that zoro can't beat oden yet but i think it so close extreme diff either way

nice work on the topic but i have a little problem with how quick you are to dismiss the anime and data books for hybrid kaido being more durable that his full zoan form if you want to ignore those ones fine but in the manga it is shown verbatim that kaido and every zoan that goes into their hybrid form is superior to their base and full transformation in every stat except size and scale , only being surpassed by their awakening ( not saying kaido is awakened ) but yeah my opinion tho

Oden gave kido ptsd why you think when zoro sliced his ass he had a flash back

Hey there zage can u do a video about pre time skip luffy vs Manga deku cause I think it's a pretty interesting fight and I would like ur opinion on it

Be prepared for this to be your most disliked video Zage. The Zoro stans and their delusion continues the same was as Zoro's sense of directions. As a fan of anyone of the series, you have to admit when facts are facts. Taking your love of your fave and overriding clear fact is delusion. Saying Zoro is stronger than Oden is like Saying in Wano Zoro was stronger than Mihawk, when Zoro got folded by Kaido, and Kaido and Big Mom. The only reason he fought again was literally because of the minks super drug 🤔 Oda already hinted that Zoro isn't there yet, in One Piece Stanoede. Hints are sometimes left in non-canon material.

Great video, and yeah, not even remotely close.

So Oden can get angry his wife got hurt but folds when his own son is in danger ? L take A tranformation doesn’t make you more durable ? You’re implying the forms are simply used to end the fight in one shot and if you can’t you’re ducked either way since you’re not more durable to handle a long lasting fight . Sage my brother you cook but this is by far your worst take Were also comparing 100% Oden to a weakened mentally nerfed Zoro. Zoro beat the dude with higher endurance that Kaido. By default he mops Also Luffy isn’t gonna let Kaido get bandaged up . What kind of point is that ?

Oden wins high or extreme diff

Bro, that thing you said about Kuzan and Garp is a bit off the mark. Your argument for Kuzan holding back against Garp can be used for Garp holding back against Kuzan as well. There's no way Kuzan beats Garp. Garp, even at 78 years of age, is dropping BB's crew one by one, and the only reason he got stabbed was because he sacrificed himself for Coby. Garp is scalable to Whitebeard, seeing as he could fight on par with Roger. I just don't see Kuzan beating Garp in a 1v1.

I blame the anime for part of the Oden's underestimation they had him fight scopper gaban for 2 days 😂😂.

@zage im pretty sure it's implied king has better durability than kaido so u saying kaido had bandages for days while king didn't is because of his race.

Come on zage i thought u were the logical one

Wait til they realize oden is stronger than mihawk too

Bro it doesn’t matter if Oden was off guard with the attack. It all boils down to how far both of them were pushed in the moment. Oden was GENUINELY struggling with Dragon form kaido. Getting attacked by boro breathe, constantly on the back foot. And having to use his STRONGEST ATTACK on dragon kaido. That man oden was panting and out of breathe. Even if it went on longer it would t have mattered kaido would have won. It’s just like the scene where the CP0 agent stepped in. Even if the CP0 agent didn’t step in luffy would have still lost without Gear 5th. And oden doesn’t have a gear 5th to magically activate later in the fight. You wanna know why luffy would have still lost if he didn’t get gear 5th? Because we saw kaido still pushing luffy back relatively with him in gear 5th. Using stronger attacks and moving even faster. Luffy not only said that was his last attack. But kaido hadn’t even brought out drum dragon yet. And that is the exact same situation as oden. Even if oden got to continue. Kaido still had a DRASTIC arsenal of things to tap into. Hybrid form, bloodlusted form, advanced conquerors attacks, and Drum dragon. The only way you can believe oden would have won that fight is if you believe kaido is not as strong back then as he is no. So say he doesn’t have great advanced conquerors haki, a hybrid form, and drum dragon. Then that would be a WEAKER version of kaido and therefore not a YONKO LEVEL FIGHTER. So that’s would mean that ODEN IS AT BEST EQUAL TO OR SLIGHTLY STRONGER THAN A NON YONKO LEVEL FIGHTER. It would have to fall between first commander and maybe admiral level. But admirals might be a whole lot stronger than what we think. So admiral may even be too high. Zoro did better against a stronger dragon form kaido. And did relative well to oden with a hybrid kaido while on the brink of death. We cannot be serious right now. Having a lot of haki and high durability doesn’t make you a yonko level fighter. He has skill but from what I’ve seen he’s overwhelmed people with his natural physical strength and haki quantity like naruto.

6:42 I do not think that it's conquerors because kaido literally tells Luffy a dead man walking cannot use conquerors coating if Zoro used it he wouldn't have said that as that's what Zoro was 🤷‍♂️, also black lightning is always shown even in minor cases like ulti so yea

I agree that zoro is weaker, but man most of the arguments are pure speculations

Oden should be stronger

Naw oden would have one shot zoro I’m sorry and zoro my guy

Yeah, It’s unfair! Zoro would never cut down a fellow White boy!

also zage make what ifs like what if oden beat kaido became shogun of wano one of the four yonko worlds greatest swordsman or even one of the seven warlords of the sea

zoro fans be like: "h-he king of hell.,, he-- he cut kaido and did.,., a kaidillion damage...."

Zoro easy dub. Oden is dead

Im all for Zoro downplay since I severally dislike people who think he’s even close to yonko level but Zoro while severally injured scarred hybrid Kaido similar to how Oden did while less injured and against a weaker form of Kaido, however the scar was more impressive, this would already put them on a similar level with imo Zoro being more impressive but it honestly doesn’t matter since Zoro got stronger later with king of hell, basic haki blooming and them going to the next island giving them an unquantifiable amp aswell while Oden didn’t really fight after this and eventually died meaning rooftop Zoro who’s quite a bit weaker than current Zoro would already be at least close to Oden whether u think Zoro is stronger at that point or Oden doesn’t matter, besides that Zoro and characters relative to him like Killer being able to tank and easily dodge attacks from both big mom and Kaido is also just more impressive than an Oden who was consistently slapped around by Roger and Whitebeard aswell as having worse feats against Kaido

Oden vs Kaido being so short and half offscreen was just Oda hiding Kaido's moves for future hype, this is the same guy who made Hybrid Kaido a silhouette just for a surprise reveal right afterwards

The bandage scaling is almost so stupid that it ruins the video lol

hey zage do you think oden will get another new sword kitisu 2 or another one of odes sword to be more stronger

This is 🔥as usual

The argument shouldn’t only be if zoro can’t beat oden but also if zoro can fight against oden and have a somewhat equal ground of contestant and if you put zoro over asura and denjiro which he intensely is by a landslide then the fight with zoro and oden is much closer than ppl want to give credit for which is sad for ppl not to admit…currently the way I think of it is that at this point I’m not betting against all three monster trio because they bloom and come out victorious the stronger the opponent is at this point in the story.

Zoro > Oden. Let me explain. Zoro blocked a combined attack from 2 Yonko, scared the sh*t out of both Yonko, and left a bigger scar on Prime Kaido while having at least 20 broken bones. Oden fought a younger Kaido, left a smaller scar on him, and got 2 shot. Edit: Zoro is better user of Enma than Oden. Edit 2: Oden is not comparable to Whitebeard and Roger. Whitebeard mid diffed him, and Roger one shot him. I think Zoro would be able to last a bit longer against both of them, and he will surpass them at the end of the series.

Do I think oden is completely overrated? Yes Does he beat zoro? Yes

Ibr this is a mad disingenuous video, here’s 1 rebuttal to a point you mentioned You say Kaidos durability is > Flame Off king, but within the story Zoro drew blood from base Kaido at the start of the raid with Tiger Hunt whereas Zoro got overpowered and sent flying with the same attack against flame off king. One of many points within the video that is fallacious

Ashura wasn’t a conqueror as you said zoro gave it his all when using koh and ashura. If ashura was truly coating then we would’ve seen the lighting same as we did when he used koh😂.

Literally scheduled this for tmmr LMFAOO no way

Naw

Literally, Oden fought a younger kaido and only landed 1 good attack, Oden also nearly got heavily overwelmed by just 1 of kiado's attacks however Zoro was able to deflect a attack from both a current big mom and kiado so there is'nt really a debate when it comes to strength lol Endurance/Durability wise Zoro still heavily outclasses with zoro tanking all of luffys pain during thriller bark in which regardless of any endurance feat Oden could ever even have is majorly irrelevant because of Zoro tanking a literal near death state, Skill wise Zoro has far more valid feats than oden, With oden commonly getting absolutely bodied by people like whitebeard and roger who dont even use there full power when striking at him and with kiado he barely even showed any real feats of skill while zoro has shown how good he is threwout the series, What feat could oden even possibly have that even puts him anywhere above what zoro did 😭

Such an L . Zoro is stronger

W been here snice 1k

3:04 great point i never tink of that

Oden is yonko lvl

Yall Zoro fan boys comparing Zoro at full power to Oden casaully slaying down Kaido. Classic overreaching lmao, this Oden was fighting a whole army , tanking boro breaths and it was close to day in the fight he was pulling off these feats, none of Zoro's fights last longer than 15 minutes. After a day you have little to no stamina so clearly anyone gets one shot, same situation with Luffy vs Katakuri, ur durability and stamina eventually starts to fall off after hours of battle.

Oden is clearly strong but imo saying he would've won which i m still hearing nowadays is kinda dumb Also makes sense for him not to be much stronger since he was at 39y (Shanks age)

KOH Zoro is literally portrayed weaker than Oden 😭 Zoro is shocked that Oden could wield enma like it was nothing while using ACoC.

You can simplify this video in 2 sentences: Zoro was so overburdend by Enma he regarded it a tool to get significantly stronger. Oden was using Enma since the age of 4, that is effectively 2 decades of the same 'training' with Enma compared to Zoro's 2 weeks.

Cook those Zoro fanboys. If zoro is stronger than oden, then oden is weaker than shiryu. They won't say that so they'll say that it's all about hax with shiryu. So... raidsuit sanji>act 2 zoro? Yh zoro is stronger but sanji got that same hax, dummies

Oden is stronger than current Zoro should be common knowledge in the One Piece community but Zoro fans will be Zoro fans.

Oden>

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