I personally caught my ex-wife on a date. I was so calm that she must’ve believed I was kidding when I told her to get her stuff and get out. I’m not going to jail for anybody let alone someone who clearly doesn’t want me!!!

I once had a friend who enjoyed dating married women. He broke his leg and couldn’t drive his manual transmission car and asked me to drive him to see one of his current married girlfriends. I told him, “No thanks, I don’t want to get shot today”.

Adultery can be very hazardous to any and all parties involved. The guy she was cheating with might be lucky that Jeff hadn't decided to murder him as well. Never, never "date" a married woman, you could be a victim of homicide.

Like I tell my son, never start a new relationship while still entangled with an old.

Texting your lover while your husband is taking you on a date is not merely cheating, it is making a statement. When you add insult to injury, there is a risk that the aggrieved party will add injury.

Betrayal is a dangerous game.

From the position of someone who has been cheated on by a long term partner the effects are devastating. “Confused and depressed” definitely sum up how I was at the time. Ironically the guy she cheated on me with then cheated on her… twice! Ultimately there were no winners

I was in this same scenario with my ex wife, Let them go, it's painful at first and you run the gamut of emotions, In time you rebuild and actually may find someone better, I went through several including more cheaters and rid myself of them immediately, Also had amazing experiences I would never had with my ex.. Found a solid long term partner. The ex is long gone and I am happy. Don't spend the rest of your life in prison over a cheating partner!

Nothing has ever broke my heart like getting cheated on. It made me sore for a couple of weeks and after I told her how I felt I moved on. Your dignity is one of the few things no one can take from you. Move on and hope something better comes along. If you want loyalty get a dog .

It’s a shame people don’t take marriage vows seriously

One of the most complicated, challenging, and potentially dangerous tasks most ordinary people will ever embark upon in their lives is an intimate relationship with another human being.

Something similar happened to me. I had 4 young children with an ex who became so emboldened as to blame me for his cheating and actually brought his lover to our home to answer my question of "does she love you, too?" There was a lot more narcissistic behavior on his part, and yes, it was infuriating. During the 3-year process of divorce, I eventually cut all ties to preserve my sanity. I got down on my knees to pray and meditate, and I believe this kept me from doing anything I would later regret. A person like this is not worth your sanity, future happiness, and any damage to your children. By humbling myself, I discovered how others went through pain like this. I went back to work, my children are now grown, and I am happy again (for many years now).

My theory is that during their "date night" Jeff noticed her constantly texting, waited for Kira to fall asleep. He checked her phone, found actual PROOF that she was texting her lover while they were having a date night to try to work on things. He realized it was futile and she had no intention of working it out with him. He became enraged and bashed her head in while she was sleeping so as not to disturb the roommate...Once he realized the date was a sham and that she was going through the motions, all the while texting and playing grab ass with another man, he saw things for what they were.

Word of advice, leave if you're unhappy. Please don't do what Kira did, because it is not only disrespectful. It is potentially dangerous as you may not know how your husband/wife may react with passion. Be curtious, be kind, always! Edit: I am not defending one side over the other, nor do I condone infidelity nor murdering your partner regardless of situation or circumstance. Just leave if you are unhappy. Both are equally unethical in their own way.

Clearly no one should be killed over infidelity. But as they say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. He should have divorced her and taken as much of her money as possible. Cheating is extremely hurtful not to mention low class.

My X wife had an affair with her boss and his wife of 20 years found out…and let me in on it. During our divorce process (and hers) I legit thought she was going to kill both her husband and my at the time wife. Glad she didn’t, but being cheated on is absolutely unbearable for some. Obviously murder is never an option, but I can definitely understand the betrayal pushing somebody over the edge and doing some crazy ness like this dude.

Never murder your spouse. You will always be first on the suspect list.

I had a married woman at work flirting with me, it started at a retirement party for a coworker and continue at work for a couple months. She was very pretty and the temptation to start a romance with her was strong, I was single at that time. Thankfully, I didn't start anything, the thought of how this guy would feel haunted me. I was treated badly by a couple coworkers, friends of hers. Maybe she was unhappy and was looking for a way out of a bad relationship. Anyway, she now to look at me with distain, like I somehow mistreated her, and she's still with her husband. Life is crazy sometimes.

Exact same thing happened to me except the part about murder and going to prison

It's hard for me to have any sympathy for a cheater.

" It's like a mall, only bigger." 😂 Dr Grande cracks me up with that dry humour.

My husband cheated and let me tell you the affair was not the worst of it. It was dealing with a stalker for years. She gave men my address when my husband was deployed, men showing up at my school. Put fake profiles in my name, to some STD sites. One of the guys that came to my school, threatened me. Until my classmate who was a cop called him in. After investigating it, we found out it was her sending these random people. It's the consequences of their actions and it can be scary. Be careful who you cheat with if you're going to cheat. Or even better don't cheat on your partner. Just leave.

I dated a girl who had recently broken up with her boyfriend. Once we were kissing outside her apartment building. Out of the corner of my eye I see a 6'3" guy coming at me with a kitchen knife. Now, I no longer really date. I feel safer around animals.

One time, my coworker got involved with a married man. Then, the wife of the man found out and came to our workplace screaming and demanding that my coworker come outside and deal with her. We had to lock our office doors and the wife started looking at all our cars as if she was trying to find my coworker's to smash. Our building manager went out there and got her to leave. It was frightening and could have put us all in danger if it had gotten more serious. Another time I went on a date set up by a friend. Found out towards the end of the date that the guy was still legally married, but apparently" getting a divorce very soon." Nope! I left right then and there and never talked to him again. Don't cheat and don't commit murder - it's that simple. 🤷‍♀

All this forensic testing and security cam footage sure is making it harder to get away with murder.

The shade being thrown by the doc about the mall of America has me in stitches😂

If someone doesn't love you any more then let them go ... not a good idea to kill them.

Don’t have an affair with someone who is married, don’t cheat on your spouse. Texting a lover while out on a date with a spouse is unbelievably disrespectful and really just asking for trouble. At least try to be a little bit sensitive of another person’s feelings.

You throw out the trash, you don't kill it.

Even when I was single and met married women I never pursued it because it's just gross on every level. There's millions of singles in the world at your convenience. To tamper with a relationship just says something deeper about each person's level of narcissistic needs. One needs to dishonor a marriage vow while committing such a disloyal act. The other needs to feel they are taking from the innocent party while starting a relationship. It's like getting a new home or car and knowing you committed some heinous fraud to get it. Yuck! Some people are just without conscience and will do or say anything to justify getting what they want in a wicked way. It's a no brainier to avoid adultery as the lover or the spouse period..

My ex fiancé did that to me. She was texting her co worker constantly while we were hanging out. I had no idea she was straying, but I do remember saying "enough" with the constant texting. I found a video on an old cell phone of when we were out to dinner. She was texting who I assume was him. I asked a super immature "are you texting your boyfriend?" She looked at me with more contempt than I ever saw from another person as she gave me the single finger salute. She eventually wanted to take a "break". I knew that meant she didn't want to be with me anymore. I agreed as long as there wasn't anyone else involved. She said no, so I agreed. While she maintained she was not involved with anyone else, when I went to take her a sweetest day gift her mom told me she was in Chicago with "Chris" (one of her co workers). She looked at me confused, like she didn't know, that I was uninformed. I had an old friend who was a private investigator, and he confirmed they were kissing each other while out in public. So I started seeing other women immediately after learning that. I didn't tell her. For some reason she kept trying to keep me hanging on. Eventually things started to happen on MySpace (this was in 2007). By early December I see from her profile that he changed his profile pic to one of her and him all loved up on each other. So I removed her from mine and put my ex from high school up there (we had split up in 1997, and as I was going through this break up, she was divorcing the guy she left me for). This enraged my ex, and she called me to chastise me for it. I told her I knew that she had been with Chris all that time. That the last time we had sex, and she had those new moves, I knew where she got then from, because that day I asked her where she learned them. (I was so naive..) I knew it was him because she was crying, and she said "I love you so much". Yeah bullshit.... Then he decided to get involved due to a car we had co-signed together. When we broke up, I had a different job that paid 1/3 of what I had been making, so it was really tight and I was consistently late on payments. The pull up to the car wash I was working one winter day. She and I discussed the matter and she left. When I got home I was greeted with a private message in FB from him. He said that I was lucky that he didn't get out of the car and show her what a real man can do. I replied: "Be careful how you get your girls, because that's how you'll lose them. My address is _0-4 ___-ll_@ ave R-_-3$_r H-_-$, etc etc. I'm home by 2pm every day." He never showed. Four years after that I was playing drums for a church. One of her old friends was in attendance. She cane up to me to say that they weren't friends anymore. Apparently my ex slept with the friend's male roommate. My ex told her cousin, who told Chris, and he lost his marbles. He threatened to kill the friend and her family. I told her not to worry. That I warned him, and he's a coward. In 2015 my gf and I move to the neighboring city where he was from. One morning while out to breakfast, he walked in with an elderly woman whom I assume was his mom. He didn't recognize me. I wore my hair up in a winter hat, and had grown a beard. I paid for his meal that day when I left. At that point I was thankful for the intervention and the lesson. My ex was untrustworthy. I didn't know he helped me figure it out. She had tried to come back through the time they were together. I never replied. In the summer of 2012 the girl I'm with now moved back up from Florida to our home state to be with me. My ex tried again, and this time I said out of respect for your engagement to Chris and my new relationship, I think it's best we move on with our lives. Haven't heard from her since. I won't say I wasn't angry, or didn't have thoughts of ending my life. Those were some incredibly dark days, but in the end I can say I recovered and am doing really great! Had I had gone another route I might be sitting in a prison cell, or in a lying in a casket. I think I made the right decision...

If you let a cheater go, they're always going to be the bad guy in the eyes of friends, family, and children. Retaliation against them will take that from you, and it's the best justice you will get.

I once worked with a girl who bragged about seeing a man in a relationship and how easy it was for them because the girlfriend had multiple jobs as well as motherhood taking up a lot of her time. Besides the moral aspect of it, many co-workers explained that it’s dangerous to engage in affairs. I mean, there are hundreds of tv shows that prove so. Anyhow, the girlfriend showed up to my work asking every female employee our name after the boyfriend told her the truth. This woman brought a group of friends to confront my co-worker. Fortunately, nothing violent happened but I often imagine about what could’ve happened if she really wanted revenge.

Before we hear about this terrible, brutal murder that I am about to talk about, let’s hear a word from my sponsor 😂

You never know what someone is capable of until pushed to their limit. Be respectful and honest. Protect yourself during this stressful time. This situation is so tragic.

Thank you for your videos Dr. Grande, this one hit close to home for me 😥! My ex husband walked out and left me (to be with his secret pregnant girlfriend) without telling me what was going on. It’s been 9 years now, and my life is better - but sometimes the hurt comes back and makes me sad. If you don’t love someone anymore, please have the courtesy to tell them. Walking out and leaving without a word is never the right thing to do! In the meantime I hope you have a wonderful new year, and I look forward to more of your videos!

As dramatic and horrible as this ending is, people forget about the more less dramatic results that can devastate lives by cheating…STD’s, unwanted pregnancies, hurting children in the relationships, and hurting family extensions. The emotional struggles and physical struggles of health problems related to infidelity are forever, in many cases. So not worth it!

Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about what could be happening in a mall like the "Mall of America' like this.

If someone cheats on you be relieved that you can now move away from fakeness and lies. Does it hurt? Yes! But no man or woman is worth your freedom. See it as discarding trash or removing a bloodsucking tick. A cheater doesn't deserve your time or revenge, a cheater doesn't define your self-worth. Move on to better things, there are plenty of fish in the sea. Never be too obsessed with anyone.

It’s incredibly disrespectful what she did. Obviously it doesn’t mean she deserves to die but it doesn’t surprise me that someone would fly into a rage. Clearly a crime of passion. Texting someone else while you’re on a date with someone , because you’re planning a divorce anyway. She was incredibly selfish and stupid , and he was violent , lots of trouble in thd relationsupp just not a good combination

I’ve known about this case for years, I’ve seen many videos on it and read about it, but not once did anyone say that Kira had a boyfriend and was texting with him on her night out with her husband. Therefore, Dr. Grande, I appreciate the addition of this info as it makes the case make a lot more sense now.

I experienced a wife who cheated, worse thing i ever went through, i never hurt anyone but i could see how it can happen. Its so devastating at least for me. 10 years later, still single.

"Drug dealers are not known for maintaining an outstanding safety record" -Lol!🤣😂 Am I the only one that found that funny??! ......Thanks for another great video Dr. Grande!

Anger, hatred and all other negative emotions go away with time but the stupid acts committed in a fit of rage stay forever.

Cheating is so dangerous. For everyone involved.

There are many things in life I don't understand. One of them is why people seem to think murder is good life choice for them. Another is why people stay in relationships that they aren't committed to.

I lived in Minneapolis through most of the 90's. Ironically, the only time I'd go to Mall of America was to go to Sears, lol. I miss Sears. And K-Mart.

For fucks sake if you don't wanna be with your spouse any more than just leave them. Even if you're married at least tell them you want a divorce and leave them formally before doing it. If you don't show any respect to anyone and do shit like this, this shit can happen. This is one of the worst forms of betrayal.

*Criticizes malls for selling overpriced products* TWO MINUTES LATER *Unironically pitches overpriced organic food products*

Your dog! So cute!

Dr . Grande , that little white dog in you video is adorable. Great video, I really enjoy your videos. Thanks and keep up the great job . You are the best .

Murder sucks but cheating is brutally unforgivable.

Don't get married if you can't control your lust and aren't serious about being committed to your spouse. For jealousy is the rage of a man: therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance.

Wow. She sounds like a terrible woman. Good riddance.

It's surprising how seldom divorce ends in murder.

The perpetrator always claims to "not have seen her since ..." and then the truth comes out!

I think this case speaks to the power of emotions. They were both victims of their own uncontrolled emotions and while doing so they caused tremendous pain to one another. Sad case. Thank you for the excellent analysis, Dr. Grande.❤

Once again, the best part is your dog wanting to check out your Hungryroot shipment! Thanks as always, Dr. Grande.

Poor guy . No sympathy for a cheater.

I’ve had many times that I’ve could have cheated on my wife with extremely beautiful women, however I am committed and if I wanted to cheat on her, I would 1st discuss why I feel that way, and if it cannot be settled, then move forward with divorce before causing adultery. If your a good person, you’ll do what is right!

It is nice to see Dr Grande smiling , even if it is during a commercial

0:37 It's so weird that things didn't work out for them, he looks so happy

That noise sounds much more murder like than usual, 🤣😂🤣😂🤣classic Doc

Dr. Grande I will never get over your dog and how adorable he is. Is that one Maximus or was he a different pup?

She was waiting to see if things with the new guy would work out before bouncing from the husband...this is how it's done.

I knew a woman who was stuck in an unhappy marriage with a man who bullied and controlled her. He would not let her go to work and rarely let her go out so she had no money or support structure of her own for her to be able to just leave. She met another man who treated her with love and respect and cheated with him before leaving her husband. He then stabbed her in the throat and killed her before hanging himself. Leaving their four adult children without parents (one was only 18). People seemed more sympathetic to him than her just because she cheated. But people don't ever seem to ask themselves why people cheat. Not everyone who cheats can just leave. But they still desire emotional and physical intimacy and affection. It's a natural human urge.

Another wife who got bored with being married and loyal , sure happens a lot . My ex wife is damn lucky that I’m calm and stoic about bad situations .

Really sad story. Maybe as we get more tolerant of adultery in our society, we are forgetting that the consequences can be tragic.

It’s a bit terrifying that even when everyone knows about practically ubiquitous CCTV, they carry on with their violent crimes anyways.

It’s NOT worth it. You lost your life. Over a Cheater. By now you could have found someone else. Found happiness. It’s never easy to move on, but you MUST…

Cheaters make me sick .

As a native St.Paulite, to say the "MOA" is a tourist destination is an understatement 😂 Thank you for covering this local case, Dr. G.

He broke the monkey branch

Kira’s boyfriend probably would have dropped her at some point. I realize that emotions are high in these cases but Jeff should have separated from Kira. I’m sure that he now realizes that it wasn’t worth it.

I can't be the only person who got a quick chuckle seeing Grande at the kitchen table with his meal, lol. Thanks Dr. This was a very interesting case.

looking forward to hearing your comments on the 6 year old shooter from Newport News.

How could they go on a "date" when they were going to separate? Sounds sus to me. I bet he knew she was interested in another man and wanted to give her one last chance or test her. He was obviously stewing for who knows how long and he finally blew up that night. And people, she was killed in the middle of the night, not during their date. He had time to cool off, except he probably saw her lover text her phone while she slept. That's when she didn't respond. It still doesn't warrant her being beat to death!!!!

Yess king go off

Good Morning on early Monday morning, Dr. Grande!

Watched your Bryan Kohberger video, read the entire affidavit, came back to KZfaq & you upload a new video. Perfecto 👏🏼

This is one of those situations where a little honesty and respect might have saved a life. She certainly didn't deserve to be murdered, but she definitely provoked her husband with her behavior. Hard to look at this situation and see her as a completely innocent victim.

Great points about affairs and end of marriages. Volatile emotions are usually present if one or more parties feel betrayed. Thanks Dr G😊❤️💙

Hello Dr Grande. Good to see you again at the helm.

It’s Grande time. So many great videos. ❤❤❤

Good morning, Dr. Grande! An excellent summary of the events before and after Kira's murder. And yes, I concur that Jeff was guilty of her murder. It's the old story of "If I can't have you, nobody else can." Probably all of the texts to her boyfriend on their date night drove him over the edge.

Your "Dry Humor" often makes me ( laugh out loud) ! I appreciate that! Best CRIME STORY TELLER EVAAAH...🎉

Cute puppy Dr. Grande!! Looks like a dog I had when I was a kid!!

Hi Dr. Grande…just discovered your channel. Really great information. I really enjoy how you break things down methodically, making it very easy to follow everything. Keep up the great analyses! Best, PS

Love these late night posts😀

Just wanted to reach out and thank you Dr. Grande. Love your content and your statistics videos contributed to distinctions in my MSc clinical neuroscience reports. Wishing you a brilliant 2023 x

Just finished thanks for the late video I love this

Keep it classy, ladies

I will never forget a guy I knew years back, his wife was having an affair, he confronted her, she screamed that her lover wanted her to leave him, and she was tempted, this guy had already packed her bags whilst she was out with lover boy, he shoved her in the car with her bags and dropped her off at the BF house, he wouldn't have her, she came back begging for forgiveness, too late the doors were locked. He never took her back.

Brilliant and thorough again.

Always the best wit, Dr. Grande!

He should have emptied the accounts divorced her and made his life better. Never base your life around someone else

If she don't clearly fully respect you then you can never trust her. If she's always giving you a hard time or talking down to you or always complaining or withholding sex she definitely don't respect you or love you and you should cut ties. There's always another one. You also have to look at why she doesn't respect you tho it goes both way. She don't have a right to cheat but you don't have the right to be getting complacent and not taking care of her. You need to maintain a deep strong bond, people don't stop having needs after you been together for a certain amount of time. How things were in your first year or two should stay that way until you're not old enough to screw anymore.

Thank you Dr Grande. Always interesting!

If it wasn’t for his wife humiliating him, dishonouring their bond, this man probably would have lived out his life never breaking the law.

Another excellent Tales from the Crypt episode 👍