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The betrayal of the American people by the federal and state governments is absolutely disgusting!

I wonder how many people that go missing in our parks are really dead and buried by these type of criminals?

The fact that the cartels are here, makes me feel like we need to bring back deputized posses and militias.

We have HUNDREDS of vets who were impeccably trained for this sort of thing

Whats bizarre is what should be a war is treated like social/LE issue. They play for keeps and we can't win until we do too.

Went huckleberry picking on Mt Rainier a few years ago and I was shocked at how many Chinese people were basically living in the mountains picking huckleberries. They had refer trucks and impromptu shelters set up. Talked to one forest ranger and they would roust them every 2 weeks because there's a time limit on how long you can stay in the same place in the national forests. There looked to be almost 100 people in the one group.

The worst part of this story is we could STOP THIS if we wanted to tomorrow 😢

I have a hard time not thinking that local Politicians are in on it and getting a cut.

I like how the interviewer lets the man talk, you don’t see very often nowadays

In Mississippi, it's the cartel growers that come up missing.

My dads family grew up all over California and my grandpa always told my dad and his siblings be extremely careful in the cali woods not just for the wild animals but the cartels and growers were killing lots of people stumbling upon there operations and that was back in the 70s and 80s

the reports of hikers disappearing maybe connected too.

Cartels should be treated as terrorists organizations.

Sinalo makes 500 billion a year, do you think our government wants to loose that?

My sister worked marijuana reconnaissance in the national Forest in ca. She tell me about hikers coming up on booby traps where they get fish hooks in their face and how the land was destroyed. People from South America would be dropped off to take care of these grow farms and they'd have some flour tortillas and this and that but not enough food so they were poaching endangered species to live down there cuz they were just dropped off in the forest. Joy was telling me this back in 2000, so I've known about it. Definitely a public safety and an environmental issue.

Fun fact: the pesticides discussed are produced by multi national food corp Bayer, and are used on most crops in Mexico. The EPA is the government agency that has banned applications in the US.

This has been going on for a long time. I went into the Marine Corps in 1992. In 1994 I was stationed at Camp Pendleton in a scout sniper platoon and the federal government was considering using us for reconnaissance in national parks to locate growers and grow fields. It never happened.

I had the same problem in Los Angeles High Desert. 640 acres, 2010. I did a 2am Falluja RAIN of 308 M62 TRACERS from 600 yards away. 100 rounds of TRACER into the tents and GREEN houses...(2drums from my PTR91) they left and abandoned their tents and green houses..... Lake City NATO 308 M62 Tracers bouncing around at night will scare most people away....

They are 100% letting this happen on purpose. If they were concerned about it as much is Israel and Ukraine, Special Forces could have this handled in a week.

I lost my Baby Girl / Love of my life(only girl) to fentynal 2 years back 💔. My life will never be the same!! Fact!!😞 I appreciate all the energy and knowledge this video puts out there to who receives it! I'm all in for whatever needs to be done to fight for this cause. God Bless America 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 and all the folks that have already lost a child do to this horrible entity.😞 I pray for you all 😞🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

We need to go hands on with the cartels immediately

In 1992 I was working in the logging industry between college and we ran into multiple grows out by Feather Falls in California. They’ve been doing this for decades. I was fortunate to be able to map it out for the authorities and fly in and destroy the grows. Great experience

Another question is how many politicians and others are in the cartels back pocket?

As an forestry inspector in Mendocino County, a couple of my employees were scared off of a timber harvest inspection by gun-carrying occupants. When LE later raided that site, the guns found were from the Mexican military. Working in the woods in Mendocino Co was always interesting. I was fortunate to only come across abandoned sites but I've seen a lot of sites. I have worked with landowners who were fired on, on their own property. I have a forester friend who was killed. This problem is very real.

I have listened to a pod cast on Narcofornia. That was the first time I had heard this. I travel alone a lot up and down interstate 5 and Hwy 97 into Oregon. I started really looking hard at who I see at rest stops and small towns like Doris California. What I see scares the crap out of me. The Trinity national forest in Trinity County has like 5 deputies and is massive. These guys are even stealing water from farmers and ranchers. I dont go out in the hay ranch that we own that I am not armed. Who knew I would have to have my head on a swivel and a firearm within reach out there. I moved up there from the gang infested east San Fernando valley. This is wild land and it needs protected.

I actually respect cartels LESS because they are so clever and hard working. That means they could easily live good, productive lives. Instead, they actively choose to destroy the lives of people around them.

Wow, I am a Vet. from the 80's and 90's . You all are the front line in our backyard! Go get them.

I'm from Los Gatos. You can hide a lot up in those hills, as the redwood trees create an almost impenetrable canopy from airborne surveillance. Growing up in the Santa Cruz mountains, there were always pot growers out in a few places, and everyone knew it, BUT these were local guys. We didn't have, or didn't know of any cartel stuff going on back then. I will say, when I was a kid (late 90's-2000's) there were still enough hardcore "mountain folk" up there that would NOT have put up with this stuff, especially from the old timer type men that had been there for generations. Unfortunately most of those people have either died or have sold off thier family's land due to the high cost of living and expansionary nature of the tech crowd constantly wanting to buy their real estate. Its an amazing place, and most if it is still completely wild and natural. Hopefully we can figure this problem out.

This could account for the missing hikers who may have stumbled upon them.

Mid '80's, Southern Oregon, I was part of a "Student panel" that talked about this !! Thru' the decades hunters have had "issues" in our hunting spots..."State of Jefferson" area.

The guy who runs Missing 411 about all the disappearances in forests never mentions this as a possibility and won't respond to questions about it. Makes it all seem like woo incidents. Strange.

And the Chinese send the proceeds back to their homeland

Ive been in recovery for 14 years and have been a drug counselor as well. I have lost 90% of the people i councild and ran with or went to school with. This fight is definitely personal to me. I would give my life to change it!

If citizens were not held down on so many laws I bet they would not be out there in the woods now.

Glad someone is taking about this. Spent years in the northwest forests. There's a war going on out there

This type of activity has been active in the bay area mountains for decades. If you move north toward Healdsburg, Eureka, its even worse.

2004?!?!? First of all, I’ve been a backpacker, hunter, fisherman, survivalist, etc most of my life. I’m no operator, but I can handle myself well. My bushcraft/survival skills are above average. I’m an excellent tracker (not trying to bump myself up, I’ve been told that by the two Sheriffs Deputies, one ex-Ranger and an ex-Marine with SERE training, who tried to evade me during a tracking training )No “formal training” until I got into SAR in 2009, and when I got into that I started to train them in some tracking survival skills, as well as austere field medicine/first aid. I hunt a zone in the Central Valley sierras. It’s 1994. At this point I’ve fished, hiked and backpacked this area since a was kid. Like a little kid. I’m 24 at the time. Ok…we’re truck scouting an area off the western ridge of this canyon, and I see a small rock formation on the side of this road. So I pull off and check it. It’s a small trail that leads down to upper fork of the Kings that feeds the much larger middle fork. It is a primarily south/east facing face. I told my buddy I was gonna walk it. He was gonna finish his “breakfast “ and meet me at the bottom. Now I knew, and had heard stories about grows in the National Parks that border this zone, heard stories of these guys stopping fishermen or hunters and taking their licenses and telling them ‘now we know where you live’ kinda shit, and although it’s in the back of my head, it’s not the first thing on my mind. I’m walking down, rifle in hand (always had a handgun on me), and I’m noticing new boot prints. I come around a small bend and there’s a little Laotian/Hmong guy sitting on a fallen tree with a sawed off 12g shotgun. I surprised him as much as he surprised me. I saw his grip tighten on the gun stock, I started to point mine more towards him, and from behind I hear a snap, then a “what the f$@k?” and my buddy came up from behind with his 30/30 coming up. It was really weird. Scary. A rush, and not really in a good way. We all kinda looked at each other. I kinda waved my hand low and we just left. I figured he was waiting for a drop (rock formation as a marker) and we were not who he expected. Let the local game warden know. A year later…HUGE grow was found in that exact spot. Fast forward 5 yrs later, on another ridge, this one skirting the north side of the Middle Fork of the Kings, south facing. I had started down this trail. I’m always checking for prints, wires, etc. And after the last go round I’m pretty much always in a heightened state when I’m up there…and honestly, it pisses me off these a$$holes are f$@king up MY sierras. As I’m going I look up just in time to miss a fish hook at my eye level. This is NOT uncommon. Especially in the less traveled areas, which I prefer to hunt. Even though I’ve seen this first hand, it still took me off a bit when we went through specialized training on this stuff in SAR. I generally hunt alone. After the couple of incidents, and these were just two, I keep a bag back in my truck with an extensive first aid kit, spare mags for the pistol I carry, as well as a spare pistol with high capacity mags, 3 military grade smoke grenades, and an AR500 plate carrier (able to stop a rifle round up to .308), with the extra coating. I’m not giving up MY sierras. I’m not giving up MY right to be in MY woods. And I’ll be god dammed if they’re going to intimidate me out of my life.

This caught my attention immediately. I live in a small, extremely wooded mountain area in the middle of nowhere Alabama. I've recently started hearing loads, and loads of gunfire, loud hard felt explosions possibly dynamite, or grenades. It also happens late at night, which is definitely against the naturel order of things here. We locals are extremely careful, and respect the peace of our neighbors. There is no noise ordinance here, but we stop shooting before dark. I'll checkmark this, and check in down the road...

I worked in the forests of California, Oregon and Washington during the period of 1982-2018. I saw this in just sbout every US forest in every state. Black plastic rolls, HDPE pipe, steel rods, traps, trip lines. Its everywhere. I did the same, sjsu, biology- fisheries and wildlife, then calpoly for forestry. Spent a total of 35 years in the woods. Been retired 5 years, i won't go into the woods. It's too dangerous.

'Belt & Road' through Darien Gap paving a comfortable journey..silver bullets and stakes . Heart breaks for USA. Thanks for Service ( Australia) Vigilance for missing people in National Parks.

Go to Costco or Sam's club and you'll see these Cartel members and the Chinese mafia members filling up hand carts with enough supplies for a 5-10 man grow crews for however long. They'll buy 30-40 dozen eggs, 20 or more cases of top ramen, a few dozen cases of sports drink mix or Gatorade, TP, tooth brushes, tooth paste,... They always stick to those easy basic items. The reason I know this is through personal observation and people I know who work at these big box stores. If you want to find these crews, go where they buy their basic needs supplies...

Our government needs an overhaul and they need to deputize minutemen across our nation to weed out this curruption and invasion

Thank you so much for this interview. Knowledge is power....Never underestimate the true American spirit. 🇺🇲⚖️🇺🇲⚖️🇺🇲🕊

I pray for your safety. ALL OF YOU! ❤

We the people of America need to stop playing the nice guy and start protecting our country from these vermin

The last time war was brought to our backyard 1775, we cleaned the yard by having interested, intelligent, wise, willing, passionate, tactical and technically competent leadership.

This stuff goes on even in Kansas. When you find an abandoned grow site it becomes apparent from the trash they leave they weren’t American.

Hate that this is going on in our country ruining these beautiful areas.

This is crazy. I've hiked Henry Coe for years. Up and down Carmel Valley, Kings Canyon and went to school in Los Gatos Hills. There are growers in the back side of Watsonville/Mt Madonna area. People are clueless. Lots of buddies with the SCSO as well. I'm telling you, you gotta keep your head on a swivel. 👊🏽

Prior Horse Patrol Instructor USBP agent from Ajo Station. Im glad I found this channel and video. Glad to see this stuff finally getting out there.

We need more than a new dam, we need to allow private citizen's to stand their ground without fear of prosecution by their own government who claims to be against all this shit. As someone who spent 25 year's in the cannabis industry of Humboldt County I will say that many consider law enforcement to be working against locals in favor of the cartels who compared to locals seem to very rarely be raided or pursued. If anything, the cartels almost seem to be protected and operate with damn near impunity. Their operations are massive in comparison to what locals do, they can be clearly seen on Google Maps, yet they are almost never busted. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Come check out the desert in Northern Arizona. The sheriffs know & participate while homeowners are kicked off their own land. Its still the Wild West out here

Thank you both for all you do! May the Lord watch over you and protect you. Keep @ it brothers!

I had no idea the situation was this bad. Thank you for having John on this podcast.

California, Montana, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, etc .. they Cartels are everywhere.

We've seen cartel grows throughout NorCal for decades when out deer hunting it's nothing new. 😢

I am a member of the Eastern Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma, have buddies up on the Crow, Rocky Boy, Blackfeet and Flathead reservations, and know about these problems, and know about the trafficking issues, why are the Reservations shutting down and blocking folks from entering to handling the situation. Are they paying off the elders and tribal police. It is sad they are letting these things take hold

We ALWAYS had a Domestic Enemy problem which works or allows these foreign groups

Thank you for your service. Both of you guys are great. Great video.

Worked for DOJ back in the mid 90's. The narc units from Riverside and San Berdoo were pulling out grows all under Arrellano-Felix and Sinaloa control. Game wardens weren't involved, unless they stumbled onto a grow and then would notify LE. Seen numerous game wardens shows dating back a decade and they are dealing with wildlife issues. Talked to a warden in Newport Beach who stated the judges don't hardly look at poaching cases or they give low sentences. When the guest is talking about all the poisons the cartels were putting in the water, he found out that the TF wasn't created for the damage to the forest, even though the California Governor's always lied about how much they care about the environment, that's all they were interested in doing, that's what we learned at DOJ.

Listening to this makes me think of a line from Sicario - Day of the Soldado: an agent says to his superior, "This is why nothing ever changes here!" She replies, "You really think CHANGE is the object here?" Or something close to that. Someone is profiting from all this so they're actually protecting it with a SHOW of force occasionally to look like they're "doing something about it". And it seems thst NO ONE is willing to take the necessary action in the necessary strength to de- incentivize the activity. SMH

Biggest hard Narco bust I ever been involved with was at sea and we used the game wardens authority to make it happen and they have a ton. Those dudes are vital to any anti Narco task Force and I enjoyed the 5 yrs shoulder to shoulder with them.

you know what, ill check in here. ive been a fentanyl addict for approximately 5 years. as someone from that side of this tragic coin i am glad you fellas are talking about the why are we consuming sooo many drugs - whats going on in our families in our culture our social lives etc etc. a breath of fresh air that these things are being talked about by those you honestly dont really expect to hear it from. subbed. much love.

I worked in the forests of Humboldt, Mendocino and Trinity county crushing rock for logging roads for 10 years. That was always the last thing we wanted to run into.

Cartels join our military to be paid for the education. When they do their 4 years they go back to serve there cartels. Happens all the time

Sorry but our government is well aware of what’s going on and I’d be very surprised if they’re not a part of that business

Twilight in America by Martin Mawyer 2012, this book talks about the camps and how they are funded. Its been going on for a long time.

“Someone is stealing that water” out in the wilderness is crazy.

I been hearing the cartels are in Maine and up north now too. Cali is just where they started at

In Maine it's the Chinese Triads who are operating the illegal grows. It's common knowledge and the govt. has been talking tuff but in reality there isn't much being done about it. Highest bail I've seen was $1500... Proceeds estimated at 4 billion per anum.

I live about 20 minutes away from Los Gatos mountains also known as the Santa Cruz mountains to this day I can still smell the pot growing up in the mountains while driving through ther

See updates on Montana cartels from Staci Zinn - recently retired head of DEA in Montana!

Protecting our kids and fish and forests, this guy is a real one.

"There are cartels in the middle of America" Yeah, I've known about that since I was a kid back in the early to mid 90's.

Thank y'all for your service.Pray God be with y'all .

And we went over a lot of this in our SAR training. We were told and shown slides of HUGE busts. I asked what it took, to clean all that up. The answer was that 99.9 of these aren’t. Period. These guys will move from bust site to bust site, in a lot of cases, just resetting up what was taken down. And they’re able to grow this stuff above tree line now. So you’re talking 10,000’ +. There had been a meth lab somewhere on the Merced, east of Yosemite. They had used an old cabin site off a one, bust after bust for years. Someone went in and broke down the old wood stove, they came back. Then a fire finally took the old cabin out and that stopped it. Can you even begin to imagine what was flowing through Yosemite?!? The only real clean up is with private groups, I know our SAR group had hiked out a bunch of stuff and flew some out on netting when we had a guy who’d volunteer his little bird for searches and whatnot. They just will not give them the money or resources to clean these up, and a lot of these are in SNP and KNP. They’re really killing our mountains.

You know, I've been hearing stories for 30 years about transient marijuana growers using our forests. I now wonder how many of the 411 missing are their victims?

I had very little understanding of how widespread and how dangerous this infiltration is, and how international crime is gripping our public lands like eagle claws. John Nores, thank you. You are an outstanding speaker, building indisputable credibility and keeping politics 100% out of your presentation. I would have resisted and rejected this info if it had been a right-left pitch... I have a large network of military friends, lots of SpecWar active and vets... I will send this to everyone. Subscribed.

I don't know how I came across this channel, but I'm glad I did. I had no idea this was going on. Great video, thank you.

Spent three years in LA in the early 90s and word even back then was stay out of the backwoods wilderness areas. I was on a picnic with my family around lake Isabella and spoke briefly with a deputy there. He was insistent that i keep my family out of the backwoods areas.

Yep…. Sinaloa is everywhere.

Great job on the interview Rocco. John is one of the best interviews I’ve listened to.

Hero interviewing a hero.

I wish them good luck, especially in a place like the Missouri Ozarks, them woods don't do outsiders

Yet the wonderful American politicians let this happen. Been going on for 30 years plus already

In Arkansas a town over, a guy got his head cut off by the cartel. They just walked right in his house , grabbed him and started cutting. No questions , no anything.

The love of money is the root of all evil..lust, greed, selfishness,envy, strife. We cant get what we want, or we cant get enough, or we got too much.

Thanks for hosting the Lt. I have heard his work for years. Your questions were quit on point. Bless you brothers for your work. Çheck 6!

What a storyteller!! Had me on the edge of my seat. First beer is on me brother 🤝🏿

Chinese,and oriental origin folks are all over in the woods here in southern Oregon! They grow weed, they take all our mushrooms….. ridiculous!!!!!

Even in early 90s Norcalifornia was full of hard hitter growers and was warned by a police guy when riding through not to camp in certain areas.

It's a national thing and these guys are the embedded deep into the country especially small towns and bergs out in the middle of nowhere. I've encountered some very well armed gentleman who fit the description and they all lived together and worked together.

I’m retired USBP and was involved in these operations in north central Washington state. Worked in cooperation with state police, county sheriff, DEA, US forest service. Pretty wild!

Eye opening and a different side that has never been exposed… you guys are on to something big that will change lives.

I've had to clean up cartel grows so the domestic land owner would not get hit with double the fines for the cartel trespass growing on his property. I'm a grower myself, I don't need to use the mentioned chemicals and can instead run my whole crop with organic amendments and pest management routines. I wish I had more protections from law enforcement as a domestic USA born grower using these much more sustainable practices.

How does it come to be that this scenario of foreign or criminal groups who may or may not be citizens are actually living in national parks? That is insane to me despite however large the parks are. Billions go into defense, homeland defense spending how does this happen?

I feel like this kind of stuff needs to be put out to the American people. I would say barely 1% of Americans know this information and it needs to be the center of attention because this is becoming a national security threat letting all these criminals in and operating on US soil.

the fentanyl is far reaching people..i live in a small tri city community in kenai,alaska and the shit is a problem even all the way up here..pretty sad when every major employer in this area has an emergency Narcan kit because it is a problem here and anchorage is an absolute shit show because of the drugs anymore..place i loved and i lived there for over 25 years and watched it roll right into the dumpster and moved away to small town alaska and then it came here..like a dam plague...my ultimate respect to all the people who are fighting this battle and putting there lives on the line 24/7 to battle these issues..bless you all and be well.

John Norres certainly brought back vivid memories of a similar situation we had/have here in Region 4. I was working with an engine crew which routinely patrolled dispersed campsites and cleaned latrines at which took us to every corner of the forest. The days following the 4th of July we would make our way up side canyons and hike up to a high promontory to glass the surroundings, look and sniff for smoke. one of the crew would stay at the engine, another would be on a ridge while the third would go to the destination. (Radio relay when reception was crappy and no.line of sight. We spotted unnatural sights where the Aspen treeline roughly merged with the Gambel Oak . Where the Oak was were spots that were too "green" for the time of year. So we found a nursery just as described right to the camouflage and irrigation. Growers were using black HDPE pipe. The grow plots were broken down into 20 scattered subplots with 20 to 30 plants each. This was 1995. Were you near the Toyabe Natl. Forest?