You're welcome. Still very valuable my brother.

Seems better to wait a few year's and buy another scan tool, unless you need to do new stuff all the time and need to access gateways.

I agree! Autel pricing plans for updates are not the cheapest. That said, here's the cheapest way I found to renew. Summer or Black Friday kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eciifcpesLabink.html

@@DIYAutoworksNG

Good to know!

Do the bi directional functions still work aswell? Even after subscription ends?

Yes. Except for the limitations I noted with some Fiat Chrysler automobiles from 2018.

@@bradleyaldaz8710 on mine, I just renewed my mx808 subscription but I'm sure a year from now the bi directional features will still be working. The difference will be, any updates on vehicles after my year is up will not be installed

Mx808 is a cheap basic scanner. They require current subscriptions to code pcms and modules on the pro level scanners.

Did you make a backup? If you did you could restore

My MP808TS is useless once sub expired. It reads vin. But says expired abort retry Basically useless product. I regret buying it

Did you make a backup? Mine didn't have this issue at all for the 1yr plus I didn't have a subscription. Was it a FCA car? So you can't scan cars or do stuff?

@@DIYAutoworksNG i am not sure how to revert from backup. It detects 2018 jeep grand cherokee i scanned before, now it detects vehicle but i cannot scan or read codes, it says expired try again

I see. The issue is with the fact that it's a 2018 FCA car. Exactly as I explained in the video. I believe not being able to scan the 2018 jeep is because it has the secure gateway module. That's something FCA implemented after suffering a hack. Unfortunately, it's one of things that won't work without a subscription and I don't think it's just an Autel thing, but could be wrong. This is why scanners often state they are FCA auto auth compliant.

This problem is well reported and may not need purchasing a subscription to fix. Go to this page www.autel.com/faqs.jhtml you will see it as a frequently asked question as well as Autel's solution for it. Hope this helps. Do let me know if this solves your problem.

Glad it was helpful!

You're welcome!

Yea. The unfortunate reality of owning any competent scanner from a manufacturer that publishes updates frequently...

Please do. Good to take one for the team.

Yep. For this tool. Only exceptions are models that support online programming e.g. MK908P, and certain functions in cars like >2018 Jeep.

Not sure why you experienced this. But if you had a backup you could restore the device without needing to pay a subscription (that's if you didn't plan to). I did a video on backups/restoration. See below. Currently, I have my backup in 2 different places. Lol. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/abV4dMd3l7m7gWw.html

Same thing is happening too me now it took away my Chevrolet is no longer in the selection for usa vehicles smh

Awesome, thank you for the sub!

Thanks! Welcome😀

It's strange that some viewers are having different experiences. Maybe Autel changed something in the recent versions? I'll check my MK808Z-BT, it's out of subscription.

Thanks! No I have not. Just have come across those brands in need of keys yet.

Works great for GM and Ford. I have one and been using it for around 2 years now. Great machine

This is interesting. A lot of people are having this complaint. I'm in my 2nd out of subscription stint and will check again to see if any of these will happen for the first time. Did you make a backup?

Agree. But in fairness, before each update you install, the tool reminds you to make a backup. If you have one, you can always restore and be left out in the cold.

Thanks mate!

Carbon, away! 😀

I'm yet to have this experience. Even generic OBD scans? Did you make a backup? What tool is it?

I definitely have a very different experience. Everything works except the limitations mentioned in the video.

Thanks, I will look into this!

I don't understand what you mean.

Mitsubishi seems to have some peculiar protocol for programming their keys. This article may be helpful mitsubishi.automotive-manuals.com/outlander-2008/M142750630017100ENG.HTML I have also noticed that sometimes, the route through which you entered the programming could affect the result. Did you go through service functions or via the diagnostic menu? Try a different route. BTW, Mitsubishi warns against using a key registered to another car during programming... Weird in my opinion.

👍🏽 Thanks to you! You are one of the people that gave me this video idea!

You're welcome!

Yep. Though offline coding will still work.

This is insane! Not sure why some of us are having a different experience. My has been expired twice and I haven't faced any such restriction. In fact it's currently expired. Is it asking you for a firmware update? Those are usually free even if expired and I do them all the time.

@@DIYAutoworksNG it starts to program....then grey window pops up says this is a new product. Update device to complete or something. After I'd done 2 of them.

@@DIYAutoworksNG I just threw a vid of it up on my channel

True talk. Because there are so many updates over the course of a year, it really adds up when you get a subscription. Have you seen my video on the cheapest way to get a subscription? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eciifcpesLabink.html

Depends on what you mean by resetting the modules. Though it does this for most cars, it's best to check Autel's coverage tool for certainty. autel.com/vehicle-coverage/coverage2

Thanks for sharing

Same applies. They are not treated differently and are generally available apart from the exception raised in the video.

Can't say. VIN reading doesn't usually work for early 2000 models and below

You're welcome! Thanks.

I think BMW is one of those cars that support online coding. Such "online" functions would fall into the category that require connection to Autel servers and are amongst those disabled.

Good question. I have not seen this specifically but I doubt it would. I will play around in the diagnostics menu and report back if I find anything. Mostly likely, one will just have to troubleshoot for misfires and rule out clogged injectors /worn spark plugs manually.

@@DIYAutoworksNG thank you for responding i appreciate it.

It depends on the make and year of the vehicle there ECU come with the option of switching nozzle/ spark plugs on and off. My 2010 Honda Accord does not have any of that options, but I worked on a 2008 CRV and was able to switch on and off nozzles. I got the Autel 906TS.

@@temejumbo9794 i see. Many thanks for sharing your info

The video for this week touches on this! Out tomorrow.

Several cars or a particular car? Hope the fuse for the DLC (OBD2) port of the car is not broken. I haven't experienced this before.

It depends on the Autel tool. For the MP808TS/Z-TS/S-TS, it's $599.95, but there are 3rd party dealers that offer way more competitive renewal costs.

Yes, on both counts. Better hardware.

Hey, everything still works! Coincidentally, I scanned a neighbour's Lexus just yesterday which was having a TPMS issue. Worked like a charm. I don't need to be connected to the Internet to do TPMS tasks. What car is this? It may be a requirement of the car you are hooked up to.

@@DIYAutoworksNG It was on a 2015 Chevy Cruze. I was away from home when I got a service TPMS system message on the DIC. I had the scanner with me so I tried to access the TPMS system and it said that it had to be connected to WIFi. After I got home, I tried it and I was able to access the system. Thanks for the reply!

@@DIYAutoworksNG Ok, I figured out the problem. Without a WiFi connection, you can't auto read the VIN, you have to manually select the vehicle. Note that this only occurs when using the diagnostic tab of the TPMS app. If you're going through the main Diagnostic app on the home screen, you can still auto read the VIN without a WiFi connection. Thanks again!

You're welcome. Thanks too for coming back to update! All the best.

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Thanks!

The first thing is to ensure the tool you bought supports the function w you are trying to perform on the car. If a function is not supported you will most times get that response or the vehicle communication will fail. You can use this link to check if your Chevy Cruze is supported. autel.com/vehicle-coverage/coverage2 Alternatively, you may try to connect to the car using generic OBD mode. If it doesn't work, the tool may be faulty, or you could have a short in the vehicle OBD DLC port circuit e.g blown fuse. If the you are able to scan the car with other scanners then a broken OBD DLC circuit is ruled out.

Not sure. But you can check Autel's coverage tool here autel.com/vehicle-coverage/coverage2

And has anyone else had a similar experience?

I haven't experienced this before. Did you do a backup before the update? If you did, you can restore things back to how they were. There's always a risk of data loss during an update and that's why Autel advises backing up the scan folder before doing an update. The scan folder probably got corrupted which explains not seeing scan history. I guess you are out of subscription?

Hi, it's a known issue, they seem to push "updates" that brick your device in order for you to purchase another subscription. A few users on forums have complained about this same curious issue.

@@galaxyb1103 had the same after i connected it to internet the system was corrupt forces me to do a subscription update , they rip you off !

I haven't done so before and so cannot exactly say. Would you consider Aliexpress? I have bought from there and have confirmed links which I have included in some video descriptions. Is there a tool you are considering in general?

@@DIYAutoworksNG yeah its the mp808 autel

Nice choice! Let me know how it goes.

OK thanks

Hi want to buy from autel on aliexpress. Would you suggest to buy official autel store or the other? Im from philippines and i want to buy from aliexpress. Im worry about device lock. The device is to expensive. Best regards!

Sad to hear. Haven't really had experience with BMS for hybrids. Did you backup the device? Did it stop immediately your subscription expired? If it didn't, restoring the device may fix it. Betterstill, you could reach out to Autel support for advice.

same here after 1 year end subscriptions ends i cannot read fault codes from a 2019 Volvo XC40 as it will show error 11003 wich was told me i need to buy new subscription is this really allowed to block even reading out fault codes i think we need to go against Autel if we find enough people they really rip you off especially if you don't use it often it is simple to expensive to renew it each year !

Same here, lost functions with my MK808. I bought XTool and includes 3 year free updates.

What brands and models have you looked at?

Yes. And some functions that need connection to Autel servers. Not many but there're there like online coding for for European makes.

Since Alibaba has many sellers I can't really say. I always like to verify if the device is geo-restricted before buying. Maybe ask the seller?

Can you clarify? I didn't get the question.

@@DIYAutoworksNG sorry i mean firmware in autel what mean this

Firmware is the software that enables the device to function as a tablet. It's different from the car diagnosis softwares.

Didn't experience this. Was out of subscription for about 2 years. Finally renewed to get some updates. New license runs out this fall.

For this particular device the update fee is 599 but they are usually 2 sales a year that bring pricing sub $400. You will have to pay the full update cost as you can't pick and choose.

Personally, I downloaded the Peugeot and Opel, but deleted most of the Chinese cars since I don't see myself working on any of them. Be sure to make a backup!

@@DIYAutoworksNG Ok, thank you. They say to backup only the "Scan" folder but what about the apps and other folders? Are they restored when you reset the scanner?

Just copy that scan folder. That contains the apps, updates as well scan reports. To restore after a reset, replace the scan folder with the one you copied.

@@DIYAutoworksNG Great, thank you for your advice.

Very interesting. Never heard this. Did you make a backup?

@@DIYAutoworksNG sorry for late respond,no i did not,and honestly did not know how to do it and if it was beneficial.

Reach out to Autel and see what they say.

I believe coding for BMW/Mini etc on Autel is online, so it's one of those things that won't work

Hey. I did a video on that kzfaq.info/get/bejne/abV4dMd3l7m7gWw.html

Mine is auctel ultra

It may be because of the expired subscription. In my experience, anything that requires connection to Autel servers won't work. Not 100% sure, but that's where my head's at. You could reach out to Autel support to verify.

Not very clear on the question. You mean if it will continue to work without a subscription and you have a backup? It will work even without a backup. Backups are for it the files on the tool get corrupt like a smart phone could.

A number of people have reported nasty experiences when their subscription expired. Unfortunate. I guess you've had one. Do you mind sharing? Mine has been all good.

I was under the impression the mx versions where America supported scanners damn I’m sorry to hear that man I been looking for a bi directional scanner for weeks and just can’t make heads or tails out of autel how did yours perform up til when it took a shit

That's sad. Doesn't come on at all or comes on but no vehicle apps?

I also think the MX was largely for the US market but haven't heard this from Autel. I did a video on Autel vs XTOOL that may help you dilemma on picking a tool. It may be helpful. Just search Autel vs XTOOL, it should come up.

Exactly. I agree with it being user error. Regards.

I have MK808 with and it is working after subscription end without any issus.

Thanks for sharing! Good to get confirmation from someone else!

I'm on my 2nd out of subscription stint, but haven't been put of subscription for upto 4 years at a time. If its so, that's not good.

@@DIYAutoworksNG i have emailed Autel to see what is going on ....just waiting to hear...i cannot scan anything at the moment.

@arshadmirza5988 do you have a backup?

Not sure.

For FCA I believe you must have an active Autel subscription.

@@DIYAutoworksNG yeah see that’s what I thought I was hoping if you are subscribed to FCA I could still access FCA without updates but they all want a piece of your wallet

I know!

From first principles, the US enforced OBDII compliance for all cars sold in the US market in 1996, while the EU did the same in 2001 for gasoline cars, diesel cars followed in 2004. What's more important is the region the car was made for. E.g an Asian car (Honda) made for the US market had no choice but to conform to OBDII policy by 1996. This was when OBD ports moved to the standard 16-pin layout. All things being equal, the MK808 should follow the above in terms of access to cars. I don't see the MK808TS having access to EU cars across board before 2001, since there was really no policy. That said, this is where the proprietary OBDI connectors come in. This is my opinion though. You can email Autel tech support for a definitive response.

@@DIYAutoworksNGmany thanks for these information,I didn't think all of these

You just pay for one year and update all the other years.

@@DIYAutoworksNG that's not bad, thanks men I'm gonna buy this scanner pretty soon just because I watch your videos and I'm learning how to use. Your videos are pretty clear how to use this scanner.

🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

Thanks for the compliment! My advice is to pick the updates on cars you need. For me I even started unistalling some of those rare brands I won't ever work on. JAC, etc.

@@DIYAutoworksNG 👍 hadn’t thought of that.

But if you're a shop, you probably want to keep all😁

@@DIYAutoworksNG for now diy, hav small family “fleet” of six vehicles from 2002 to 2012. (finally got rid of the ‘98 and ‘95 lol). Long term looking to expand to shop owner which is why I took the dive into the Autel. And while I am on that topic, I am really impressed with the quality of“kit“ that comes along with this scanner. One example is the Bluetooth remote OBD-2 port “VCI“ plugin. comes with a built-in LED flashlight so you can see where to plug-in at. Really just a lot of nice touches like that.

Got you. Same here. Family fleet plus neighbours/friends. Lol. Also love those touches of detail, like the rubberised grips at the edges...

Works 100% Didn't even think of it, but just checked.

@@DIYAutoworksNG That's great, thanks.

You're welcome

Yes.

@@DIYAutoworksNG and with testing normal German vehicles jus basic read and clear will it work?

Yes on this, too.

Maybe you bought it used?

Sorry, but I take offence at saying I'm lying. I have simply narrated my experience. I don't doubt yours either. As stated in the video there are functions that won't work without a subscription. I hope you made a backup?

@@DIYAutoworksNG i apologize to you for that, i speak for myself and in my case i paid $4000 thousand dollar for a unit that is on the path to become a brick i use it on a day by day basis and i know what it was capable of when i recent bought it and as i keep using it i keep loosing functions

Thanks a lot. I have since seen people with a similar experience. You do know anything that required online access to Autel servers won't work anymore. Are you more into key programming? The IM608 is a powerful tool!

@@DIYAutoworksNG i am general mecanic when i replace a PCM i have t o do a key programming the thing is, if i paid for the unit i paid for the information already in it, this is like if i buy a book and the librarian comes to my house and rips off a few pages , i am so dissapointed, those tecnichians is not working by my side, they do not know what automobiles i work on. on the good side yes it is a very powerful tool no dought so far 2008 und up to 2020 it is working perfect for now.

Online coding? Offline works well without a subscription

@@DIYAutoworksNG no it can't try codeing a bmw it goes there the hole process at the end it says renew your membership to continue junk tools

@@DIYAutoworksNG i called autel they told me you need a membership to do it

Right. BMW coding on Autel is online for the most part. Such functions won't work without a subscription. Bad move by Autel.

Not if your coding mini or bmw at the end of codeing it will tell you to buy scription to finish this is crappy on there part

Hey. Where exactly did you buy from? From an American dealer? Personally, I avoid buying from Autel directly and rather buy from authorized Chinese dealer/retailers on Amazon or the like. The Chinese retailers usually ship the global version of tools that are not limited by market regions. I've used my MP808TS in Europe and it works well (used on a Mercedes). I also email sellers to know if their tool is IP-restricted or not. I've looked up the MK906PRO and it should work on European cars. Autel should really ditch this regional approach to stuff. Sorry mate. Definitely return it.

@@DIYAutoworksNG I cant wrap my mind around the fact that we need to find this out ourselves! I read on their website (after i got my device) beware of the grey market!! But you can register grey market devices at their official website.... Mindblowing weird ass company! I am working on my Mercedes Viano 3.0 device doesn't work.....and they admit it..... FFS

Now I get you. I think it will work on other European cars. That Viano is a pain when it comes to scan tool support. It's not just Autel, I believe. I've also searched for support with the XTOOL devices I own, and they don't support the car either. If you are able, plug the device to another European car and see if it works.

@@DIYAutoworksNG doesn't work! Only simple fault codes no acces to engine

I see. What other cars have you tried it on?

I'll be hear waiting for it to do so. This is now 5 years or so of owning the tool

Amazing!