Will Chelsea REGRET Selling Mount To Man Utd? 😳

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Will Chelsea REGRET Selling Mount To Man Utd? 😳 #shorts
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@LiamJames24
@LiamJames24 Жыл бұрын
You can't force someone to stay who doesn't wanna play for the club
@superflyjimmysnucka9068
@superflyjimmysnucka9068 Жыл бұрын
​@cold_servo_pie Well that's about money! That's not heart and soul is it?
@sammundi271
@sammundi271 Жыл бұрын
​@@superflyjimmysnucka9068because he wanted to play, they stopped playing him so ofc he wants to leave
@amakky1989
@amakky1989 Жыл бұрын
@@superflyjimmysnucka9068it’s about being appreciated. I’m not a Chelsea fan but when you give undeserving players high wages, then you feel you’re under appreciated when you don’t get a raise yourself
@eddlovesskiing
@eddlovesskiing Жыл бұрын
Mount got offered 200k a week lol the geeedy bastard should’ve took it at Chelsea
@willsmith5172
@willsmith5172 Жыл бұрын
@@cold_servo_pie if you are telling me that the offer Chelsea gave to him of 200k per week is a “tiny salary” then we must be living in a world where 200k is now 100k?!
@muhammadmallah732
@muhammadmallah732 Жыл бұрын
Heart and soul, he pushed to leave
@steafyp
@steafyp Жыл бұрын
Pushed out*
@goonerOZZ
@goonerOZZ Жыл бұрын
Because Chelsea have mistreated him. Look at his pay compared to other Chelsea players, it's criminal!
@bigt6665
@bigt6665 Жыл бұрын
because the club lost its soul. career>>>> love of club
@muhammadmallah732
@muhammadmallah732 Жыл бұрын
@@goonerOZZ yes we offered 200k and then Man Utd offered 250k so what criminal pay. For me he’s just not as good as Reece James and the players who are earning 250k a week
@crag188wwe
@crag188wwe Жыл бұрын
@@muhammadmallah732u pay Sterling 250K 🤣
@f5anabolic
@f5anabolic Жыл бұрын
“He’s like Harry Winks” Absolute Violation 😂
@jonlcfc1
@jonlcfc1 11 ай бұрын
😢
@DuckyVanya
@DuckyVanya 11 ай бұрын
@@jonlcfc1 Honestly, Winks is gonna tear up the championship for you lot. He's way too good for that shit.
@ng.15
@ng.15 11 ай бұрын
​@@jonlcfc1dw g he'll do very good for you
@namos3369
@namos3369 11 ай бұрын
His talking about about how Winks was developed by Spurs since he was 5 yrs old but they traded him/let him go, what a waste of time
@AdamT-mv3ok
@AdamT-mv3ok 11 ай бұрын
Remember Man City were interested in Winks at one point of time
@simbathepersiancat9123
@simbathepersiancat9123 Жыл бұрын
Reece James is our heart and soul and not a guy that wanted to leave because we offered him “only” 200k a week😂
@KalelaChannel
@KalelaChannel 11 ай бұрын
You guys must have a broken heart and soul then. lol
@mealovesyu
@mealovesyu 11 ай бұрын
Only to take the same deal at United lol
@mitam596
@mitam596 11 ай бұрын
​​@@mealovesyuo he took 50 k more with an option to get 300k if he performs
@187_six6
@187_six6 11 ай бұрын
200k to be in the hospital…
@bencresswell1177
@bencresswell1177 11 ай бұрын
Bet you sounded different last summer also where was Reese James last season? Invisible much like the whole of Chelsea tbf
@shifteyyy
@shifteyyy Жыл бұрын
We have plenty academy graduates though like Reece James, Colwill, Chalobah, Broja and Gallagher. If Mount really wanted to leave, not much else we could have done
@SiphoSy
@SiphoSy Жыл бұрын
Yes, you have plenty Academy graduates. But are any as good as Mount?
@todaze7551
@todaze7551 Жыл бұрын
@@SiphoSyI have thought James is way better for years, not that mount was bad, but reece is something special and could be the best rib in the world if not for injuries
@SiphoSy
@SiphoSy Жыл бұрын
@@todaze7551 I agree. Reece is class. But Mount can be the whole package and puts in a shift. Mount offers more than all your recent Academy graduates. I'm a Liverpool fan and selling Mount after one bad season might be a mistake.
@timeless4369
@timeless4369 Жыл бұрын
I’m surprised Liverpool didn’t go for Mount. I think he suits Juergen Klopp’s style perfectly and Liverpool need more high energy midfielders.
@scottdrew327
@scottdrew327 Жыл бұрын
And James is the only good one 😂 the rest are Championship level.
@snaggiz
@snaggiz Жыл бұрын
I think someone like Mount wanting to leave Chelsea is pretty damning in terms of the state of the club.
@ezekieltete6584
@ezekieltete6584 Жыл бұрын
Mount is shite
@tikemyson5627
@tikemyson5627 Жыл бұрын
Yeah we don’t raise players about the club
@tikemyson5627
@tikemyson5627 Жыл бұрын
Above
@mealovesyu
@mealovesyu 11 ай бұрын
No Mount is an entitled idiot, the club comes BEFORE players he wanted to be Beckham 2.0, and he can do that at United
@Jrt91
@Jrt91 11 ай бұрын
Thank god, if he didn’t want to be there get him out, he’s a cry baby.
@MannYSJ1080p
@MannYSJ1080p Жыл бұрын
Gonna be interesting to see how him and Bruno Fernandes get along
@mynqmeis123
@mynqmeis123 Жыл бұрын
If mount wanted go stay he would have signed was offered the exact wages that united gave him. Reece James is the heart and soul of chelsea even if mount had stayed
@brendanclay6209
@brendanclay6209 Жыл бұрын
The heart and soul of the club rejected a 200k a week contract to go and play for our rivals after dropping a season like that. I’ve genuinely never been so happy to see a player leave.
@AJ_1199
@AJ_1199 Жыл бұрын
Rivals ? Stop it 🤣🤣🤣🤡
@gtmafiaa
@gtmafiaa Жыл бұрын
​@@AJ_1199you're the clown all the big 6 are rivals some more than others but at the base they all rivals.
@AJ_1199
@AJ_1199 Жыл бұрын
@@gtmafiaa Chelsea finished 12th, their rivals are Fulham and palace. 🤡🤡🤣🤣
@sonwabilentsonta7925
@sonwabilentsonta7925 Жыл бұрын
​@AJ_1199 What do you mean bro? Chelsea and Utd were big rivals in the late 00's when they both competed for massive trophies.
@ghifarinasriprasetya6737
@ghifarinasriprasetya6737 Жыл бұрын
​​@@AJ_1199warra major trophies for manu last 7 years after spend 2 billion💀
@_retz_
@_retz_ Жыл бұрын
That "Samuel XL Jackson" joke is still in my head rent free😂
@cryptozilla_
@cryptozilla_ 11 ай бұрын
Robbie should never be allowed anywhere near running a football club. 😂
@alexcrocker5329
@alexcrocker5329 Жыл бұрын
Robbie gonna finally say something nice about a Chelsea player now they’ve agreed to leave 🙃
@parthshah3312
@parthshah3312 11 ай бұрын
Chelsea fans need to understand that only the new management is responsible for chelsea's position as a football club today.... It wasnt about 200k, it wasnt about the 60mil.... Mason mount seized an opportunity to jump out of a sinking ship...
@gunawan-ur7cw
@gunawan-ur7cw Жыл бұрын
Remember Ashley Cole Don Robbie. 😅😅😅😅😅😅
@chiefnkosi7705
@chiefnkosi7705 Жыл бұрын
Isn't that reason he's having that opinion?
@shimeymerih
@shimeymerih 11 ай бұрын
The difference is Arsenal wanted him to stay.
@jjrank7144
@jjrank7144 11 ай бұрын
He is not getting playing time and alot of Chelsea players need to take notice
@mesadona125
@mesadona125 Жыл бұрын
Football fans who don’t support chelsea haven’t been able to understand how much he wants to leave the club, he wasn’t accepting offers for 250k a week i think cant remember exactly but that shows how much he didn’t want to play for us
@joefrost8215
@joefrost8215 11 ай бұрын
Academy players don’t ever have to be the heart and soul of a club, complete myth, Azpilicueta got the club far more than Mount.
@astradala1845
@astradala1845 11 ай бұрын
He’s a good player. A lot of Chelsea fans turned on him after his form dipped. Problem is them wage demands where through the roof
@venablesanyie7104
@venablesanyie7104 11 ай бұрын
We did not turned on him we turned on Lakaka.. we never wanted him to leave he’s the one who wanted to leave.. we’ve seen worst form coming from lakaka and morata..
@garyjaguar8066
@garyjaguar8066 11 ай бұрын
60 million is a absolutely bargain. Mount is so talented but just needs the right manager. And ten Haag is that man . He was brilliant for England
@chuckjay
@chuckjay 11 ай бұрын
Yup
@Ahmed-fv7zm
@Ahmed-fv7zm 11 ай бұрын
I'm a Chelsea fan and Mount is overrated
@matthewtaylor13
@matthewtaylor13 11 ай бұрын
Maguire plays well for England but who’s gonna pay £60 mill for him ? Oh yeh utd paid more cause they don’t know how to make deals anymore
@ssmufc9941
@ssmufc9941 11 ай бұрын
Steady now, he’s a good squad player, we’ve overpaid for him. But that’s what we always do in the market. Hopefully he fits the system and does a job here and there, can’t expect much more from him.
@Ahmed-fv7zm
@Ahmed-fv7zm 11 ай бұрын
@@ssmufc9941 I might be biased but the guy is shocking under pressure. He's wearing the number 7 for United, if he can handle the pressure then fair to him.
@mohammedhamza5560
@mohammedhamza5560 Жыл бұрын
His heart was at man united his mind was at chelsea. He did not want to stay.
@paulthompson1577
@paulthompson1577 Жыл бұрын
Harry winks I thought he would of been Tottenhams main centre midfielder 😂😂😂😂
@naqinaqvi5902
@naqinaqvi5902 11 ай бұрын
Players who want to be here, like Reece James, Colwill, Chalobah are the heart and soul of the club, not players like Mount, who reject £200,000 a week contracts to play at a rival for more money
@alexcoupe.
@alexcoupe. 11 ай бұрын
He’s on £200k a week at Utd so clearly didn’t leave Chelsea “for more money”
@naqinaqvi5902
@naqinaqvi5902 11 ай бұрын
@@alexcoupe. he's on £275k a week which can rise upto £300k a week with addons
@sisqisze2686
@sisqisze2686 11 ай бұрын
but chelsea offered him a long term contract like 7-8 years thats 1 of the reason why he didnt sign
@itslouis4935
@itslouis4935 11 ай бұрын
it doesn’t matter if he came through the ranks, the performances weren’t there and neither was his head
@azgardian32odinson
@azgardian32odinson Жыл бұрын
So much mis information on this thread.. mount didn't ask to leave... he just wanted to be on the same wages as reece james 250k+.. cheksea didn't feel his performances warranted that much of an increase he was offered 200k and turned it down... negotiations broke down.. simple as that.
@elbaldy1946
@elbaldy1946 11 ай бұрын
Chelsea fans forgetting he got player of the season 2 years running, they where calling him the next lampard a year ago
@coltonconner782
@coltonconner782 11 ай бұрын
Newcastle joelinton, Bruno G , Tonali midfielders AG on the left and isak on the right attacking forward Wilson in in the middle , tripps, botman, Schar and burn , and Pope in goal defence … all other clubs should be worried
@coleyboy1921
@coleyboy1921 Жыл бұрын
For an attacker Mount is: extremely good at pressing, good at creating, and above average at progressive carries. Given his biggest strength is defensive effort I think the chance of him being a success at United is higher than if we signed someone like Maddison. Also his skill set means he can be used as an 8 and a 10 solving two of our biggest depth problems. Along with being a homegrown player and only 24 I think this will prove to be a solid signing at the least.
@sakoernest201
@sakoernest201 11 ай бұрын
Bro please mount is not a creative player, he lacks creativity bro,, de young man is an average player don't over rate him,,
@SIlENthiLL091
@SIlENthiLL091 11 ай бұрын
mount hardly creates, creates in like 1 out of 10 games
@oliverplant
@oliverplant Жыл бұрын
Personally I think United spent too much on mount. Considering his performances and 1 year left on his contract we shouldn’t of been paying more than 45 million for him. However this is a guy who I still believe can hit his old form of not improve and if that’s the case United may have found someone genuinely worth £80-100 million in the future.
@jcgaming908
@jcgaming908 Жыл бұрын
English tax
@samwize28
@samwize28 Жыл бұрын
He’s worth £45m based on ability, but the English and rival tax brings it up for £55m. I’m comfortable with it as a Utd fan, but it depends on what else we do (GK, CF) Edit - just imagine the memes when Mount celebrates scoring against Chelsea? He will become one of our own like with Carrick and Rio. It’s worth the extra £10m for that bants alone IMO
@valhearts6695
@valhearts6695 Жыл бұрын
Mason mouninho - 40m Mason Mernandez - 30m Mason Moretti - 20m Mo Mason -5m
@oliverplant
@oliverplant Жыл бұрын
@@valhearts6695 players are more valuable depending on the clubs going for them too. Spanish player to Spanish club is more expensive than a Spanish player to a French player. For reasons such as homegrown players,having to have a certain amount of players from your nation.
@valhearts6695
@valhearts6695 Жыл бұрын
@@oliverplant scam of the season Rice 100m Mount 55m Bellingham 103m. Remember, Odegard costed 40m a season ago. Bruno costed Utd 46.5m a couple of seasons ago. If they were English they wouldn't be shy of 80m
@registame2878
@registame2878 11 ай бұрын
He is like harry winks 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@TheMINOMANIAC
@TheMINOMANIAC 10 ай бұрын
Haven’t proved us wrong yet
@greenery8434
@greenery8434 11 ай бұрын
He’s got a point can u imagine if at the beginning of last season United sold Rashford to Chelsea
@alanflood2219
@alanflood2219 10 ай бұрын
Didn't let him go, he wanted out
@spookyalien3942
@spookyalien3942 11 ай бұрын
They have to let him go for FFP. Paid nothing for him so that's 60mil profit to balance the books. Wont be surprised to see Gallagher leave too
@Ggge671
@Ggge671 11 ай бұрын
He’s like Harry Winks blud😂😭😭😭
@ChristHasRisen7777
@ChristHasRisen7777 11 ай бұрын
Mount is bought to bolster the squad when we have 2-4 games in a fortnight... Great addition to the squad .. he has raised the standard of the squad already .. united will be a different team within 2 seasons..
@RagnarLK
@RagnarLK 11 ай бұрын
That’s like Saka leaving Arsenal or Rashford leaving United to join a rival. Chelsea moving mad.
@SOUTHREDDEVIL
@SOUTHREDDEVIL 11 ай бұрын
He is like Harry Winks. I said this a month ago 🤣🤣🤣
@mizonuna9170
@mizonuna9170 11 ай бұрын
Going through 3 different coaches in 3 months to gain only 1 point. You need to flee the first chance you have
@blessedmedia1286
@blessedmedia1286 Жыл бұрын
Mount is a average midfielder😅 who cares if he comes from the Academy.
@tikemyson5627
@tikemyson5627 Жыл бұрын
Why’s everyone acting like we let him go we refused 3 offers for him and offered him multiple contracts he was the one that wanted to leave so fair enough we sold him no players over the club
@cheekey11
@cheekey11 Жыл бұрын
He wanted to leave and we tried and tried but the lad wasn’t worth 300k or whatever the asking price on the contract was. It sucks but it happens.
@oyaloya7006
@oyaloya7006 11 ай бұрын
He wanted to leave because he was no longer confident with chelsea, he is the one who let chelsea go
@fillomz7340
@fillomz7340 11 ай бұрын
He went Chelsea didn’t let nobody go
@c.nnweje5679
@c.nnweje5679 11 ай бұрын
Chelsea shouldn’t have let Mount go at any cost. That’s how we lost KDB, look how he’s turned out.
@petershortland478
@petershortland478 7 ай бұрын
Dont think we will regret it because we offered him an extension for 3 years but he wanted Reece James wages
@nigeldavis2292
@nigeldavis2292 11 ай бұрын
I’m not surprised he left .. Chelsea had 3 managers last season and the club was a MESS .. with their being a revolving door of transfers in and out of the club .. there is no stability there .. he has just had enough I suspect ..
@kuoiha7512
@kuoiha7512 11 ай бұрын
Mason Mount is 24, already won the UCL. He's fit right in
@jibba0jabba1
@jibba0jabba1 11 ай бұрын
E’s like ‘arry winks blud
@olumidesheriffadams7917
@olumidesheriffadams7917 11 ай бұрын
Coming through the ranks doesn't mean much anymore
@IamBule
@IamBule 11 ай бұрын
You know what I'm saying,innit, you know ,blood
@niccologregorutti9309
@niccologregorutti9309 11 ай бұрын
Who would be so stupid to refuse 60 millions for Mason Mount. He's not worth half of that amount of money
@Ray-gz5wh
@Ray-gz5wh 11 ай бұрын
Mount should be nothing more than a bench warmer for United if they have aspirations to challenge for the title or win any meaningful silverware. If he was anything other than English, he wouldn't have lasted this long at Chelsea & that £60M price tag would be slashed in half..
@greywrld
@greywrld 10 ай бұрын
Always predicting foolish things
@dibyojyotihazarika8178
@dibyojyotihazarika8178 Жыл бұрын
We don't require this players no one is bigger than the club
@ItsJesssee
@ItsJesssee Жыл бұрын
They’re hating on him so much it’s unbelievable tbh he’s a class player people just tend to be hateful for nothing these days
@deeray4637
@deeray4637 Жыл бұрын
Who's hating on him? They both said he's a good player
@mrinalamin7872
@mrinalamin7872 11 ай бұрын
Any player moving to UTD do not play upto their potential look at di Maria , pogba and the list goes on and on
@dahboipr3336
@dahboipr3336 11 ай бұрын
Y'all don't rate Chelsea players until they leave, then you'll come up with all this.
@TheParth23
@TheParth23 11 ай бұрын
You don’t rate Mount, but big up Havertz? What a joke
@ahmedthebassa
@ahmedthebassa 11 ай бұрын
Best comparison I ever heard. Mount is like Winks 😂
@ryanname2503
@ryanname2503 11 ай бұрын
You would say that though
@anglewoden
@anglewoden 11 ай бұрын
@@ryanname2503 You would say that though as well.
@mareekhamsik1863
@mareekhamsik1863 Жыл бұрын
Am a United fan but I don't rate him, is an unnecessary signing
@Cosmic-Wanderer
@Cosmic-Wanderer Жыл бұрын
60m ripped off again United hahahahaha. Boss. Love it. Keep it coming
@corriedebeer799
@corriedebeer799 11 ай бұрын
Mount cost 55 million plus addons. Get your facts straight.
@heitaeek1089
@heitaeek1089 11 ай бұрын
He's a Winks for real, I am a chelsea fan and I am happy we let him go, sad about Havertz, i feel there's alot of unrealised potential, mount has been at his best, but still average
@seanwalsh7201
@seanwalsh7201 11 ай бұрын
They didn't let him go
@NoName-ql1wk
@NoName-ql1wk 9 ай бұрын
We let him go as he was useless.
@k1llsk
@k1llsk 11 ай бұрын
He had a prerecorded goodbye message in the drafts jus waiting 😂😂, nah honestly love Mount, glad we signed him 😂😂 but seriously a player I've always wanted us to sign 4 years now, love it
@oben2643
@oben2643 11 ай бұрын
No one wanted him to go Don but you can't force him to stay get the grip of it
@sreeganeshsuresh866
@sreeganeshsuresh866 11 ай бұрын
He wasn't good enough!! He was pushing for the move and wasn't a proper Chels!
@connorsconey
@connorsconey 11 ай бұрын
Chelsea have no soul left ☠️
@SiahsDomain
@SiahsDomain 11 ай бұрын
If you angry Chelsea let him go, then you hate chelsea period!!!
@hatefulentity5331
@hatefulentity5331 Жыл бұрын
LOL when he was at Chelsea. Nobody rates him. Inconsistent is best to describe him. Now that he's moving to a rival they are saying he was a good player? Same thing with Havertz. Those two might be another case of KDB for Chelsea or it won't even matter. Only time will tell but what I do know is that it's 125m£ money back
@connormacleod8342
@connormacleod8342 11 ай бұрын
They offered him a deal he said no and wanted stupid money, heart and soul players don't play for money
@angus3839
@angus3839 11 ай бұрын
Chelsea don't need player that don't have any heart and soul to play for the club........ Period..... He is not worth it....
@mallabhai3906
@mallabhai3906 11 ай бұрын
Isn't that a bit of irony here who's club let Van Persie to Man utd 😅
@aidyil
@aidyil 10 ай бұрын
Anyone who thinks Mount isnt an upgrade from McFred is special
@joedirt5327
@joedirt5327 11 ай бұрын
No one is bigger than the club.
@aries666dc
@aries666dc 11 ай бұрын
Chelsea fans really something special aren't they, less than 12 months ago they were saying he's the second coming of christ in the image of lampard
@TheSauxyFxcker
@TheSauxyFxcker 11 ай бұрын
Rich coming from Robbie 😂 Arsenal always sell their best players to direct rivals
@profbiyi
@profbiyi 11 ай бұрын
I sincerely don’t see why people are bothered about a n average player like Mount
@kiarashqeisari5119
@kiarashqeisari5119 11 ай бұрын
"Yena whatam sayin"
@user-jd2003
@user-jd2003 Жыл бұрын
mount left for the money he didn't care about Chelsea just money in his pocket like everyone else
@wandyclive04
@wandyclive04 10 ай бұрын
Chelsea didn't let him go..He already sold out.. Couldn't care less about Mount tbh Nkunku Is better
@rafkahn9842
@rafkahn9842 11 ай бұрын
GUYS 100% confirmed it’s £55m
@timeeak4599
@timeeak4599 11 ай бұрын
Mason was underperforming, but then demanding huge wages.
@akmolali8169
@akmolali8169 11 ай бұрын
No different to West Ham selling Rice to Arsenal ! No loyal players any More Money talks 😂
@fillomz7340
@fillomz7340 11 ай бұрын
James is what you are trying to explain
@dannyrooney4323
@dannyrooney4323 11 ай бұрын
Amazing Arsenal and Tottenham fans complain Chelsea let a home grown player go to another club. Tbf thats the only way Arsenal and Tottenham players can win a trophy
@waksie_7
@waksie_7 Жыл бұрын
A lot of people saying ohh he pushed to leave,you really have to ask yourself why would a player who is chelsea through and through actually force himself out his club,makes you wonder how really bad chelsea were last season on and off the pitch
@sarfarazameen7713
@sarfarazameen7713 11 ай бұрын
Mount wearing no 7..... robson, cantona, Beckham, CristianoRonaldo..... how is mount in the same league..... no sense
@inioluwasajinyan1992
@inioluwasajinyan1992 11 ай бұрын
Mount is not that good guys... Watch manu spend the next 2 years saying 'The guy needs to fit in'
@kingscrewme69
@kingscrewme69 11 ай бұрын
Chelsea ain't scared selling their players to their rivals such as Arsenal. You lot bought more players from Chelsea than any other Premier league team compared to United 😂😂😂😂
@PokeCardGiveAways
@PokeCardGiveAways 11 ай бұрын
Im glad mount left ,how can be the heart and sole of chelsea when he happily skipped to man u , thats nuts and he wont be missed , what i cant believe is arsenal adopting kai havertz 😅
@gumnhial6291
@gumnhial6291 11 ай бұрын
They should understand that he forced a move
@codephil
@codephil 11 ай бұрын
Spot on by the big man! And let's not compare Mount to Winks, if only for the fact that he is a well established player in the England squad.
@ranjit4113
@ranjit4113 11 ай бұрын
Let him go? He snaked and left .... Don't blame Chelsea.
@delonthompson9631
@delonthompson9631 11 ай бұрын
Robbie is jealous, wouldn’t have said what he said if Assna had gotten Mount
@aliumuftauadebola8681
@aliumuftauadebola8681 11 ай бұрын
I love him but he doesn't want to stay
@drewblenkley9269
@drewblenkley9269 11 ай бұрын
he wasn’t getting picked, simple as that really
@jastation321
@jastation321 11 ай бұрын
in order to be a top club you have to be ruthless like madrid and city.take notes arsenal,chelsea just finessed united
@JadonSanchgoat25
@JadonSanchgoat25 Жыл бұрын
We’re bringing in Hungry players like mount and hojlund who are United fans it’s a change from the mercenaries we’ve had
@goonerOZZ
@goonerOZZ Жыл бұрын
With how you treated transfers and contracts you will always attract mercenaries. No reason to think it will change this window, since everyone that work for the transfers and contracts are still the same people.
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