Will it clog? Fillmore valve vs Silca Sealant

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An Avid Cyclist

9 ай бұрын

Reserve Fillmore Tubeless “Hi Flow - No Clog” Valve vs Silca Ultimate Tubeless Sealant
0:00 Intro
0:51 Standard core forensics
1:48 Fillmore valve overview
3:44 Silca foaming
4:20 Spray testing
5:03 Silca Sealant thoughts
5:24 Fillmore forensics
#gravelcycling #mtb

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9 ай бұрын
The whole valve comes apart with an allen key and a spanner for easy cleaning if it ever does clog up on you (if you look closely at the poppet, you’ll see how to disassemble).
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 9 ай бұрын
THANKS! Can’t believe I missed that. The center of the poppit is a 2.5mm hex and then the whole center slides out for easy cleaning. A quick YT search didn’t show anything on this
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 9 ай бұрын
YT Short added to cover this, kzfaq.infoHY9_tak5__M. Thanks again!
@ZenEndurance
@ZenEndurance 6 ай бұрын
I was about to say, nothing "doesn't come apart" unless it's riveted or welded and there's no way they'd spend that kind of money on making valves. Anyway, I've run them with all kinds of sealants on my mtb for 3 years and they've never clogged. Got sick of my gravel bike valves clogging and did the mental math - the satisfaction and time saved of valves that never fail and work so well, AND you don't have to remove the cores to add more sealant? Worth $50 for sure. After putting them on my bikes, watching other people fiddle with valves and having to pump harder while I relax or do other things... it's so worth it. You don't realize how much you worry about your valves until you never have to worry about them at all ever again. Fillmore's are amazing.
@kidsafe
@kidsafe 5 ай бұрын
Also if your o-rings ever degrade, one is 3.5x1.5mm and the other is 6.5x1.0mm.
@wsbygt
@wsbygt 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for the insight!
@popejbryant
@popejbryant 9 ай бұрын
I've been on the Fillmore valves with silca sealant long enough to be about due for my second top off. It has been flawless. Compared to mucoff or Stan's valves who's cores I would have to change out about once a month, it's a welcome improvement. For the silca sealant, it's been perfect as well. Stans, mucoff, orange sealants would seal small thorn punctures but would always weep and leave constant wet spots. Same tires, same holes, cleaned up and filled with silca are bone dry.
@evanm.2300
@evanm.2300 6 ай бұрын
Sometimes it depends on the tires too, i had a pair of contis that weeped out the sidewall, but never had that happen on any other tire ever so far
@Joiedevivredesilives
@Joiedevivredesilives 22 күн бұрын
Found Silca to be dire even on small punctures
@rct8884
@rct8884 6 күн бұрын
I found it very easy to remove dried on sealant fairly easy during long term maintenance, easier than Orange.
@evanm.2300
@evanm.2300 6 ай бұрын
Yesterday i used a drink straw brush to clean inside the valve body with sopy water...it works! Also completely loosen and clean around the seal on the vittoria
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 6 ай бұрын
Great tip! Thanks for sharing
@evanm.2300
@evanm.2300 6 ай бұрын
@AnAvidCyclist hows the filmore lifestyle treating u? I might buy some, i try to cary valvle cores in my tool bag but one day ima forget too or run out helping others on the trail and giving them away to others that need it. And eventually ill run out and need to buy more. And if i do a race or outa town and change tires last minute and dont have my bontrager pump/w built in air tank i might need the better air flow. Fyi I use orange seal endurance basically slightly thicker stans that claims to last a tiny bit longer). Hows the silca treating u as well? Another youtuber claims it sucks on his road bike, but i feel offroad tread has mor surface area to chemically react to the air and not just fight the pavement slicing it off with every rotation. Hopefully i wont have to worry but i did recently buy specialized pathfinder S works tires with center slick on my gravel. My other tubless r mtb.
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 6 ай бұрын
I’m a full convert on both. Helps that I only have 2 sets of wheels, but I did go get another set of Filmore’s. I just find it so much nicer to deal with a durable solution rather than treat the core’s as a wear item. For the sealant, I tore down my wheel set over the winter. The Silca sealant was very evenly dispersed throughout the tire even though it had been sitting for a while and had dried out a bit. With Stan’s I always had 1) a puddle at the bottom of the tire and 2) dried boogers sporadically around the tire. Whatever Silca is doing is keeping the sealant well spread out through the tire which should make sure it’s there where you need it when you need it. It was also much easier to clean off of the Vittoria insert, just some Iso alcohol and the insert was mostly clean.
@nkantar
@nkantar 9 ай бұрын
This video and the disassembly short might’ve sold me on both the valves and sealant. I had my first case of a gunked up core with Muc-Off valves and Bontrager TLR sealant (came stock), and I‘m interested in not having that experience any more than I have to, ha.
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 9 ай бұрын
Glad to help. If only I got a commission!!
@nkantar
@nkantar 9 ай бұрын
@@AnAvidCyclist Indeed! Affiliate links, maybe?
@johnlesoudeur3653
@johnlesoudeur3653 4 ай бұрын
I have given up getting sealant through a valve and now just fill the tyre with it nearly fitted, then just push the tyre rim over the wheel rim. I change/clean valves every so often.
@dhaxside
@dhaxside 8 ай бұрын
Using the same setup, curious too on the long term effects and with the silca top up fluid. Have 3 bikes on the filmore valves, never tried adding sealant thru the valve.
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 8 ай бұрын
Pretty sure adding through the valve would be a problem. I haven’t used the replenisher yet. Had the valve out again this week swapping tires. It had a small amount of build up, but still working great. Planning to switch my other wheels to Fillmore now. I really like the fact that you can tear them down for a full cleaning.
@dhaxside
@dhaxside 8 ай бұрын
@AnAvidCyclist yes, easy to clean even without tearing it down. So far Silca is the one sealant that hasn't dried up and balled up inside unlike others I've tried. hope to see a long term review later on from you. cheers.
@rayF4rio
@rayF4rio 9 ай бұрын
Was this test with the tire insert in? Could the reduced volume in the tire be increasing the Silca foaming action from the valve depression? Would love to know if the sealant acts the same without the tire insert.
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 9 ай бұрын
Yes, using the Vittoria Gravel inserts. And yes, I suspect the additional volume from the insert plays a factor. I have another set of wheels with road tires and no inserts, but I haven’t switched the sealant on them yet. Sometime over the winter. Interestingly, Silca posted a video this week about sealant and they were using the same insert. They didn’t say how much sealant they used, but it appeared to be even more than the 50-60ml I was using. Of course, they have a business incentive to encourage overuse of the product!
@patb6281
@patb6281 4 ай бұрын
new subscriber here. love your video! can you do a bike check on your open gravel bike? thanks!
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 4 ай бұрын
The frame is very well loved! I like the road like feel of it. One of the primary reasons I chose this frame was for the short seat stays (420mm). I recently heard a rumor that there was an update to the UP coming soon. If true, I’ll seriously consider it depending on what the changes are.
@86309
@86309 4 ай бұрын
WRT the spray.... dont let the air out with the valve at the top where the sealant puddled in the body ., put it at the bottom so the sealant drains out.
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 4 ай бұрын
Or buy the fillmore’s and don’t worry about where the valve is positioned when you park the bike!
@86309
@86309 4 ай бұрын
I have the Fillmore on my Santa Cruz Carbon race wheelset. and a puddle around the valve core still sprays some out. just put the valve at the bottom to let it "un puddle" drain, before you de pressurize. It's not rocket surgery. :)@@AnAvidCyclist
@williamforbes7156
@williamforbes7156 2 күн бұрын
this biggest turn off for me, just seeing this now, i can afford a 19.99 bag of valve cores on amazon so those aren't a big deal but when i used silca the internal of my tubeless would junk up and the reserve don't appear to be as user friendly. i've also swapped from silca from stans and now trying orange as it comes highly recommended from my local rei (was on hand) i've seen some latex on amazon for decent bulk prices in a blue jug as well as american classic tyres for thrifting the cost savings.
@youling1997
@youling1997 9 ай бұрын
Particles in my mucoff sealant can’t get thru and clogged my Fillmore. 😢. I have to take it apart and clean it up. Which is a pain in the ass since my fat bike tubeless setup is not easy.
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 9 ай бұрын
Interesting. If you end up with any video of it you could send me I’d see if I could make another short on the topic.
@youling1997
@youling1997 9 ай бұрын
I emailed reserve yesterday to see if they have any ways to get around this. I will keep you posted@@AnAvidCyclist
@anthonylozano3645
@anthonylozano3645 7 ай бұрын
According to Filmore these valves cannot be dissasembled
@youling1997
@youling1997 7 ай бұрын
@@anthonylozano3645 yes they can according to Fillmore. All you need is an Allen wrench. Unscrew it from the back and you can take the core out to clean it.
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 7 ай бұрын
@@anthonylozano3645, agree with Youling1997, and posted a short video linked in the Pinned comment above that shows how. I’ve been back in there and even removed the poppit. Official or not, they are fully disassemble-able, and aside from the o-rings 100% metal. So yes, they’re expensive, but really should never need to be replaced. I’ve given in and bought a set for my 2nd wheel set.
@pgreenx
@pgreenx 4 ай бұрын
I read you can’t add sealant thru the Fillmore valves (ie silcas quarterly replenisher)? If that’s true it’s a deal breaker for me.
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, I imagine you can’t. Since they don’t have a standard removable core, I wouldn’t expect you’d be able to. I’ve just always popped a bead off anyway, so wasn’t an issue for me.
@changrenyong7616
@changrenyong7616 3 ай бұрын
Sealant, including Silca's sealant replenisher, can be injected through the Fillmore valves. As a matter of fact, this is in the Fillmore FAQ on Reserve Wheel's website: "3. Can I add sealant directly through the Fillmore valve? - Yes, you can direct-inject sealant through the valve simply by removing all pressure in the tire and using either a syringe style injector with tube, or cutting the top of the sealant bottle to size. The Fillmore has no valve core to remove or get in the way."
@eXaviar
@eXaviar 6 ай бұрын
I can confirm that they are worth the price. No more clogged valves after 2 years on 3 wheelsets
@graffhead206
@graffhead206 9 ай бұрын
I'm a mechanic at a high end race shop and we used to offer the Silca sealant in our service course as we are a pretty big Silca dealer. This was last year. This year, we've done away with offering Silca sealant at all. Why? Because a. You can't install it with a syringe (not a huge deal for the most part.. but with some tire/rim combos this can be an absolutely shit-show) and, b. It clogs every valve known to man. It has clogged my own valves so badly that I have had to replace them every month or two. This is just my experience with this stuff. While, yes, it will clog a puncture, just watch out for it clogging your valves as well.
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 9 ай бұрын
Interesting. Thanks for the comment. For a service-course/race scenario, why wouldn’t you accept the issue with the valve in order to get the puncture protection? Or have you simply not found it to be better protection than others?
@graffhead206
@graffhead206 9 ай бұрын
@@AnAvidCyclist the issue is that customers can't top off their air because the valves clog so badly
@cornelhughes6763
@cornelhughes6763 9 ай бұрын
@@graffhead206 Silca offers a replenisher that can be injected through the valve. Yes for the initial install you can't use that method
@marct9942
@marct9942 9 ай бұрын
Using the valve at 6 o'clock avoids sealant getting int the valve. Just saved $50
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 9 ай бұрын
Sounds like you may have missed the point about how the shaking leads to foaming in a way Stan’s doesn’t. I didn’t test at 6 o’clock, but based on what I’ve seen I’d expect anything lower than 12 to actually be worse if the wheel has been moving at all
@MrSmith-rk4jq
@MrSmith-rk4jq 7 ай бұрын
worth the 50 bucks. never going back to reg valves again
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, I bought another set. Definitely a better solution
@Padrae22
@Padrae22 10 күн бұрын
Cover your valve core with good lube like Fenwick's chain oil and your valve will not seal.
@Fear.of.the.Dark.
@Fear.of.the.Dark. 25 күн бұрын
if you keep your wheels at rest with valve at 4 or 8 o clock position, you will have less of these issues.
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 25 күн бұрын
I don’t think I possess enough OCD to bother with valve position at rest
@Fear.of.the.Dark.
@Fear.of.the.Dark. 25 күн бұрын
@@AnAvidCyclist well have been using road tubeless with zero valve clog issues for 3+ years now
@Chris._P._Bacon
@Chris._P._Bacon Ай бұрын
You know what.......I'll stick with a tube..........And just like I'm still sticking with calipers, discs? Not a chance.
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist Ай бұрын
It’s great to have choices, would suck if we all rode the same exact bike!
@bikernaut1
@bikernaut1 9 ай бұрын
Too expensive valves
@AnAvidCyclist
@AnAvidCyclist 9 ай бұрын
No argument there!
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