Will these big adventure bike promotions kill us?︱Cross Training Adventure

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Cross Training Adventure

6 ай бұрын

crosstrainingenduro.com Recently my Canadian cousins reviewed the Ducati DesertX. It claims to have serious off-road credentials so the guys got a local enduro racer to abuse the Ducati on some dirt rides. It resulted in some great footage. Welcome to Cross Training Adventure, we are into all things dual sport and adventure on the east coast of Australia. It's a promotional technique increasingly used by manufacturers. Yamaha has Pol Tarres doing tricks on his Tenere 700 and entering hard enduro events like Erzberg. Honda has Toni Bou doing incredible stunts on his big Africa Twin. The man is a freak. Check out our reviews of various adventure bikes and dual sport bikes. Keen on adventure riding in Australia? Check out our vids. Chris Birch has been entering New Zealand enduro events on the big KTM adventure bikes. And Harley Davidson had pro riders attempting to treat the Pan America like a dirt motorbike. We don't know if they survived the experience. it makes for great videos, we love watching this stuff. But our group has been discussing whether these promotions might encourage some less experienced riders to ride outside their 'comfort zone' and end up in hospital. There is a big increase in middle aged and older riders getting into motorbike riding. The kids have grown up. They are cashed up. It's time to relive their youth. Accident statistics do show a big increase in fatalities and injuries among older motorbike riders in recent years. There is a lot of debate about the causes. Is it the Dunning-Kruger effect, where people are likely to over-estimate their skills? Is it because adventure motorbikes are getting so heavy and powerful? If you like dual sport riding in Australia then you might like our adventure riding vids. A few decades ago a typical adventure motorbike was something like a BMW 650. Now you have beasts like this Ducati with 110hp and weighing 223kg. I suspect most riders will say 'We enjoy watching these videos, but they won't force us to buy a big heavy adventure motorbike unless we really want to.' Maybe. But the advertising industry is full of professionals aiming to manipulate us subconsciously. In any case, our regular advice applies. Plenty of people getting into adventure riding say they bought a motorbike that was too big initially. They downsized on their second motorbike and were much happier. So always consider smaller less powerful motorbikes in your choices. Know yourself. Some of us are risk takers, others aren't. If you are a risk taker, always be aware of your comfort zone. It goes something like this. Do some rider training. It's good to see adventure riding coaching emerging in some countries. Consider minimising your road riding. There are some crazy drivers out there. On remote back roads crashes are more likely to be your fault, not some idiot trying to talk and hold his phone at the same time. Hi visibility. The research supports the use of white helmets, high visibility riding gear, leaving your headlight on. Consider driving lights. If you are getting a motorbike for the first time, or returning after a long break, consider maybe getting a dirt motorbike at first. Dirt riding occurs in an incredibly unpredictable environment. You learn so many skills quickly that will then protect you on public roads. And while crash a lot, it's almost never lethal. What do you guys think about these vids showing pro riders pretending they are on motocross motorbikes? Irresponsible marketing? Just light entertainment? Keen to hear what you think.
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@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
SHOULD WE BAN THESE ADS? Of course not, they are too much fun. A few viewers think I'm suggesting this. I often raise this type of topic for discussion, but it certainly doesn't mean I think these promotions are wrong. And most experienced riders will see through the marketing hype and enjoy the stunt riding. But I do have quite a few viewers who are relatively new to dual sport or adventure riding and I figure it doesn't hurt to suggest a bit of caution with trying to ride bigger bikes off-road aggressively. 😗 EVEN THE PROS CRASH - OFTEN One of our enduro vids went viral because it showed how often the pro riders crash when learning new stunts. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ediKpsWU2K-rko0.html
@MattPerry
@MattPerry 6 ай бұрын
For me the best bike still is the XR 650 R, just put it an electric start. I would like to see a dr-z 650 built like the xr650r, a modern bike on the market. nothing fancy just the basics with electric start 60 horsepower and good suspension, no electronics, no Electronic suspension just a speedometer and a fuel indicator super basic bike with good power and very reliable. KTM´s are fine but i don´t trust them. it is a shame that KTM don't solve the problems of the 690 and other bikes of their rank. These big bikes are good for riding on the street and forest roads, confortable and with power. Africa Twin is very good but there are plenty cases on my country that owners are saying that the 1100 consumes 33 cl of engine oil every 1000 km´s. The T7 world raid has an excelent suspention, on the street and off road, with a very reliable engine. Easy to hadle despite the weight. Has a sense of security. The Suzuki V-strom 1050 DE it is heavy, but i think has the most reliable engine of bikes over 1000 cc on this segment. I think these bikes are phenomenal for people that have money!! And want to travel and do like a good position of riding, people that ride Trail or Enduro bikes.
@Snowhite808
@Snowhite808 6 ай бұрын
These add-s should not be banned, but in many, many cases disclaimer should be shown. For many instances we have observed and also discussed with some marketing deps about this (what and who they actually use for the cool videos). And sometimes the bike has almost double the cost in upgrades, and sometimes the rider is shown - is a barely 60kg lightweight on top of a 300 - making it look much more capable, than it is. My belief is, that the accidents happen due to lack of riding skill and electronics preventing developing it also. When I bought the first 1000cc bike, it scared the sh**t out me first time riding, so I dialed it down right away and took my timing getting use to the danger. Now - go to the store, ask for a 1300cc KTM to test, and it feels so tamed. But it is not, it is 250kg of danger on two wheels for a guy who maybe rode some sluggish dirt bikes 20++ years ago (looking in the mirror), so yes, less is more and a lot more fun too...
@eveRide
@eveRide 6 ай бұрын
A few years ago, after having to pick it up close to 50 times on a trail that got my friend and I in way over our heads, I realized that even the KLR 650 was too big for me to enjoy on the trails I enjoy riding.
@bryanreeme8584
@bryanreeme8584 6 ай бұрын
I have a gen2, at first I thought it'd be a big enduro & I'd "tear it up".. But reality is that it's my "adult" ct90, a trail bike, which is perfect for my riding environment 👍
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
But you certainly gave it a good try, Tyler. I remember the videos! I remember taking the DR650 on on some of our hard enduro tracks when I was in my early 50s. It was like a gym session lol. No way I'd be trying that again in my 60s... I hope all is well. 😁
@jonb3311
@jonb3311 6 ай бұрын
Exactly, if you can't pick the bike up, don't take it off road. Even a trials bike seems to gain weight after a couple of hours of falling off.
@brianmorse8811
@brianmorse8811 6 ай бұрын
F-ing right that bigger isn't better. 450 is my sweet spot. I keep my 1250GS on the more road like trails. know your limits. have fun!
@larryhouse3776
@larryhouse3776 6 ай бұрын
Honestly... you'd probably have the unmatched time of your life on a Electric Bicycle.
@porlalibre2830
@porlalibre2830 6 ай бұрын
That’s why Pol Tarres promotes its own disclosure on the Tenere 700: “Warning you are not Pol Tarres”. If you’re not aware of it, you’re at fault if you crash 😂😂😂😂
@mikeisland7382
@mikeisland7382 6 ай бұрын
I saved a friend from these ads. Took him dual sporting for a weekend with a light and a heavy bike. At the end of the weekend he thanked me and said I'd saved him from a costly mistake. He said he thought he wanted an adventure bike until he got out and hit some actual trails. Turned out he wanted a dual sport.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Well done!
@Kalimerakis
@Kalimerakis 6 ай бұрын
They should push dual-sports instead of adventure bikes. Would make the world a better place.
@Tyr1001
@Tyr1001 6 ай бұрын
I wish i had a similar experience, but at least i knew enough to look for the lightest adv i could find. now with some experience, i had a better idea of what sort of bike i need as well as just how unhinged advertisers are
@goatman86
@goatman86 6 ай бұрын
I'm lucky enough to own both and agree. Big ADV bike is a pain on the trails and you can't really enjoy ADV on a dirtbike. Unicorns are a myth after all 😅
@mikeisland7382
@mikeisland7382 6 ай бұрын
​@@goatman86 The secret to happiness here is believing in unicorns. If Yamaha made a 550-600cc version of the Kove 450 with a Fisher seat and passenger pegs that would be my unicorn.
@rangeroadmoto
@rangeroadmoto 6 ай бұрын
Reminds me of a conversation I had with a helicopter medic. We were discussing how busy he was one weekend flying into Rocky Mountains to rescue ppl with broken bodies on adventure bikes. He mentioned seeing gs1200’s and Africa Twins laying next to them. They were getting badly injured on simple terrain. Lots of money for the nicest toys but makes me wonder if there is a pride factor with starting on something small.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Huge topic, and one we touch on in the vids quite a bit. Almost every experienced rider knows the go... but newcomers often think these big adv bike can be ridden like dirt bikes with minimal skills or training needed.
@billybunter3753
@billybunter3753 6 ай бұрын
Without trying to sound like a smart arse, who said they were just starting out? This is coming from an experienced rider whom rides no bigger than a DR650 off road.
@domenik8339
@domenik8339 6 ай бұрын
A lot of the issue is thst these bikes are being sold as capable offroaders that can do anything, and the only people falling for that kind of BS are typically beginners who don't know better. It's a bad mix, like a new rider with a hiyabusa level of bad.
@YouTenaza
@YouTenaza 6 ай бұрын
There is certainly a pride factor. Specially for new riders. I literally saw one friend spit out of his mouth. "I want a real bike (liter bike) not a 600cc toy". It really makes you value how many lives could be saving the A2 license here in the EU 😅😂
@jasonb6570
@jasonb6570 6 ай бұрын
I love the Pol Torres T7 videos, but I definitely think that they've convinced a lot of (far less skilled) guys to go out and buy one, thinking they can just hop on and ride them like a motocross bike.
@Awaken2067833758
@Awaken2067833758 6 ай бұрын
Watching Tarres struggling every second with the big bike is a clear no no for me
@paulvanhout9695
@paulvanhout9695 6 ай бұрын
Light is Right - pick the lightest bike that meets your needs and understand the compromises and limitations. I find adventure bike marketing somewhat entertaining and in no way does it influence my decision on what bike is appropriate for my needs and skills.
@-TheRealChris
@-TheRealChris 6 ай бұрын
I think the best thing people can do is regularly ride some hard slow tech, not only does it do wonders for your skills but also provides a safe reality check to show you how much you actually suck. If you only ride fast open stuff it's very easy to feel like the legend your not.
@langhamp8912
@langhamp8912 6 ай бұрын
I found the best vehicle for learning the slow hard stuff was an electric unicycle. Those things give you darn near trials level skill, especially for things like stopping in place, hopping up on ledges, and learning to crash well.
@motomanjf
@motomanjf 6 ай бұрын
I’ve been on dirt bikes my whole life, bought a new tenere last year. Knowing its weight and capabilities it’s perfect for streets, backroads, and light off roading but I’ll keep the light 2 stroke for really getting off road. These big heavy adventure bikes can get you in a position that you will have a very tough time getting out of if not careful.
@davidsalo8397
@davidsalo8397 6 ай бұрын
And no one goes riding to hurt themselves do they? Keep it real!
@ginnybourne6374
@ginnybourne6374 6 ай бұрын
Having not ridden off road for forty some years I bought a T7 after quitting sidecar racing. It'll be fun to do some greenlaning. Whilst the bike got me through a ton of places I should have fallen off I did realise I needed something smaller to practice on. I got a TTR250 and use it on local trails. I have learnt so much from it and gained more confidence on the T7. I do find myself looking for that 450/500 unicorn now though. As for those dirt bike gods on big adventure bikes? I love the vids - to me they are just a showcase for the bike's abilities in the right hands. No urge to try to copy them though.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Really smart move. It's great learning the skills on a small light bike then transfer them to the bigger ones.
@offroad3607
@offroad3607 6 ай бұрын
I bought a XT600 after a 15 year break from off road riding, after a few weekends out with others on T7s and WR250s I realised a 250 was a whole lot better for me, 18 Months down the line I now have a lot more experience and a Fantic 450 which is so much fun.
@burkaanc
@burkaanc 6 ай бұрын
im also entertaining the idea of getting something smaller to complement t7, though im more looking at something electric, ebike, those 45kmph surron/talaria or small e dirt or DS
@frostbitevinnie
@frostbitevinnie 6 ай бұрын
Pro rider vids are a fun watch but Im perfectly happy pushing my TW 200 to its limits!
@SecondHalfofLife
@SecondHalfofLife 6 ай бұрын
Middle aged guy here, somewhat new to dirt riding (long time road rider). I'm a big guy at 6'3" 230 lbs but still decided to go with a KTM 250 4 stroke plated for dual sport riding to start with. Nice and light and still borderline too much power for a full on noob. Videos like these and others steered me toward starting off on a smaller displacement lighter bike. and I'll probably stick with it for many years. That said still love watching the hard enduro pros go at it on big bikes. Keep up the great work!
@doc650adventures
@doc650adventures 6 ай бұрын
Start slow and go light to develop your skills and depending on what your riding mission is, get a larger more powerful ADV bike. Most riders use the bike to travel to great places to enjoy the outdoors. The ads seem to try to convince many that all they need is the big ADV Bike and the skills come with it. Riding is fun but injuries are not. Cheers Barry!
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
I must admit I like a 650 for how effortlessly it thumps along the highways but I'm impressed with how even a 250 can do this if you aren't in a hurry.
@doc650adventures
@doc650adventures 6 ай бұрын
@@crosstrainingadventure Very true!
@pilotdane1
@pilotdane1 6 ай бұрын
THE MIGHTY DOC 650 !!! - Well said my brother !!!!
@allenhuling598
@allenhuling598 6 ай бұрын
A very worthwhile conversation!! For sure some will be lured in way over their heads and with little or no experience should definitely start on a smaller off-road bike, but others hopefully will simply be challenged to practice, practice, practice, knowing that with learned skills many incredible things are possible on these newer generations of bikes! Cheers, Barry....ride safe!
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Cheers Allen! Yeah a few guys think the topic is pointless because any experienced rider sees through the marketing hype (hopefully!). But of course riders new to the sport might just think the big bikes can be handled this way... so a cautionary hint doesn't hurt!
@allenhuling598
@allenhuling598 6 ай бұрын
Very true!!@@crosstrainingadventure
@fudge9544
@fudge9544 6 ай бұрын
I grew up riding dirt bikes and transitioned into street riding 4 years ago. I missed dirt riding, so I purchased a 2017 Africa Twin about a year and a half ago. I have found it excellent off-road so far, but will admit I do not try to ride it like a dirt bike (usually). I am definitely aware of its weight and size, and ride it with an extra degree of caution. For a beginner riding off-road, it would not be a good choice at all. The dirt-oriented adventure bikes are fun for an experienced rider, and I think the videos the manufacturers put out are generally good for showing what a bike could be capable of in the right hands, and gives riders something to aspire to. Most sane people realize that they are not capable of doing that kind of riding once they take their adventure bike off-road for the first time. It really exemplifies the "it's not the bike, it's the rider" saying.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Good point, so many of these discussions come back the old 80% the rider 20% the bike angle.
@stavrozinio
@stavrozinio 6 ай бұрын
I find it inspirational tbh. Quite aware these guys have been riding bikes offroad 5+ times longer than me, but still, their videos helped me learn all the things I know today, and to have the guts to do it on my 901. I also love to travel and ride offroad in different countries, so having something smaller like 701 would be a big compromise in terms of comfort and protection from elements when I would ride 700kms daily for a week. I love to see what bikes are capable of doing in skilled hands.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Same here. As per the vid I love watching these kind of antics and personally would be disappointed if they stopped. But I've heard so many guys discussing this topic I thought it would make an interesting vid.
@bmccameron7642
@bmccameron7642 6 ай бұрын
I went from a KTM640LC4 to a DR-Z400E, then to a CRF250 Rally over the past 15 years. I'm so comfortable on the little Rally. Less risk, less expense, less maintenance, less hassle. I can go anywhere on it...without falling over, or breaking anything.
@Matt43
@Matt43 6 ай бұрын
I'm fairly competent on my WR450F on any trail I've found in Colorado (and I've found a lot of them)... but jumping on my 890 Adv R turns me into a novice on the same trails and single track is usually a no-go due to the narrow gates (fuel tank doesn't fit through)... but given how that big bike decides where it wants to go and only occasionally listens to my input, I tend to stick to double-track and fire roads.
@Megakoolguy357
@Megakoolguy357 6 ай бұрын
I think the bikes getting bigger and more powerful is a big factor. "Better" suspension can also make people think the bike makes them more skilled than they are on inferior machine, which isn't true. Yeah, you get a higher tolerance for mistakes, but most of us make for more (and more severe) mistakes than pro riders in ADV bike ads.
@sjbechet1111
@sjbechet1111 6 ай бұрын
Yup - it compensates for mistakes but the feedback about the 'limit' gets finer and the speed it lets go at gets way higher...
@Kalimerakis
@Kalimerakis 6 ай бұрын
I have made this statement before, and got a lot of headwind for it. Bad suspension shows your mistakes earlier/at lower speeds. And I stand by that. However if it comes to offrad riding, I am not sure if DR-Style Pogo-Stick suspension (damping rod) helps to teach you much. I have the feeling it just gets in the way and occupies a lot of brainpower anticipating what the heck it will do next, instead of using that brainpower to actually learn something. Just because the damping is so progressive that you neither get feedback nor control, so its just constant guesswork instead of action and reaction.
@garrysimmons111
@garrysimmons111 6 ай бұрын
The harsh reality is that rider skill (or lack thereof) makes the biggest difference on the terrain you can ride. But that doesn't sell bikes. The marketers want you to think that buying that new bike will greatly improve your riding, or get you laid, or something. Put in lots of seat time and get some training. Being in some kind of shape above Couch Potato wouldn't hurt either.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Good point about the fitness, Garry. These guys are almost alway standing on the pegs when they start the trick riding and using a ton of body positioning...
@AntaresSQ01
@AntaresSQ01 6 ай бұрын
These videos show the bikes are capable. Which means i can comfortably ride my big adventure bike at 50% of these people's skill level, instead of worrying if I'll be way in over my head.
@cedricboivin9422
@cedricboivin9422 6 ай бұрын
My main issue with those add are that it often make for disappointed customer One of my friend loved the Tenere 700 and he knew a guy which bought one without having street license. Less than a year later, the bike is allegedly holding only by wire and Ty-Rap after only a few light drop and some tree branch My reaction was "Yeah, these are street bike, what did you expect?" Well because of those add (and some dubious reviewer) they believed it was just a big dirt bike Nevermind the fact that it still handle like a hyppopotamus
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
I agree, Cedric. It's mainly the guys new to our sport who might get a bit misled by these ads. The rest of us know to enjoy the stunts but realise we won't be doing that shit lol.
@RoadDogSteve
@RoadDogSteve 6 ай бұрын
70 yo usually riding solo. Mostly backroads and dirt... Himalayan.... I carry a motowinch. 4 lbs.... Tested it..... Well worth the weight. I camp minimal anyways. good video... thanks
@F1since79
@F1since79 6 ай бұрын
I am one of those middle-aged men who was bitten by the adventure bug. I had ridden just a little as a kid and hadn't been on dirt in 35 years. I started with a KLR650 and took a beginner training class in Feb 2021. That went well and I realized this was something I really wanted to do, so I bought a KTM 890 Adv R and took an intermediate class. I have since ridden several BDRs, Baja and the Continental Divide trail, 12K miles so far. I love the Chris Birch videos but, just like I can't golf/ski/surf/woodwork/etc. like what is shown in marketing videos, I know I can't ride like him. My 890 has still been a fantastic choice for me, however. It does not require a pro to ride and it's capabilities can bail out the intermediate guy as well as serve the pro. All that being said, I recently bought a Beta 390 RR-S to have something lighter and less demanding for day rides and I will do some multi-day rides on it as well. It all comes down to judgement and good common sense.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Great choice, the engine in the 390 is superb. I'd love to see Beta offer the 390 and 500 in an adventure-style package.
@F1since79
@F1since79 6 ай бұрын
@@crosstrainingadventure Absolutely! I think a long-stroke 500 (390 crank with 500 bore) engine and perhaps a cush drive could be amazing. I have my 390 set up with a larger tank, heated grips, a Giant Loop rack and a Seat Concepts seat. I plan to run my Giant Loop Coyote bag. I hope to find out soon how well it works in the light ADV role. I have actually exchanged emails with Jared at 3 Seas Recreation (@3SeasRecreation) about him doing an adventure build.
@josmith4531
@josmith4531 6 ай бұрын
I was about to get a KLR until I saw the weight, got a DR instead and have been very happy with it.
@andrew390
@andrew390 6 ай бұрын
​@@F1since79I'm so close to pulling the trigger on a beta 390rs for light weight adv. The service intervals and high maintenance at 300 hours worries me as in Australia we cover big distances when riding on multi-day rides.
@F1since79
@F1since79 6 ай бұрын
⁠@@andrew390I would go for it. I have been told by more knowledgeable persons than I that the service intervals are based on racing use. Also, the bike only needs about .75 liters so carrying an oil change isn’t a huge challenge. I’ve also heard the 300 hour maintenance can be pushed to triple that. BUT, YMMV and don’t take my word for it. Peruse the forums and see if you find the same info. Also, g’day! I’ve been down under several times including this past May. Always had a wonderful time. Beautiful country.
@brianmartindale2221
@brianmartindale2221 6 ай бұрын
I like watching the big bikes. I'll never have one or ride like that, but I do enjoy the footage. It's not my fault somebody with too much money and too little experience gets clubbed by one, unless I have to be Johnny on the Spot to help out. Also, people should know who they are with because most people, almost all, freak out when around anything like that. It's quite a shocking thing for most to see a displaced bone or blood, big bike or small, motorized or not
@VToldsMotoShow
@VToldsMotoShow 6 ай бұрын
Very good points indeed! It's so scary to see riders believe that a 200+ kg and 150+ hp motorcycle can be used like a dirt bike and actually choose their motorcycle based on its "off road" capabilities.
@bonnevilleslayer
@bonnevilleslayer 5 ай бұрын
I'm a half decent rider and love watching Chris Birch and Adam Riemanns showing off their skills. I was in out local forestry the other day and there was a pine tree over the road. I reckon I could have got over it. Did I wanna fuck around and find out I can't launch like Chris Birch and go A over T on my twenty plus thousand dollar Triumph Scrambler? Yeah nah. I'm gunna buy a DRZ for thrashing around the scrub. Love your channel, great stuff.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 5 ай бұрын
The two bike solution is usually the best 😁👍
@mollygrubber
@mollygrubber 6 ай бұрын
Being honest with yourself if one of the hardest things to do I think. Also, following through with the "nice to have" vs the "need" decision (not that we ever "need" toys, really). As I grow older, my bikes get smaller and cheaper. I like to think that's because I've gained some wisdom, not that I'm cheap and broke.
@afiend69
@afiend69 6 ай бұрын
i've never watched one until i saw your channel flying a DR650 100+ feet promoting the suspension upgrades I then bought.
@marcpigeon7796
@marcpigeon7796 6 ай бұрын
R1150GS to a Yam Super Ten then down to an Africa Twin now on a T7 . This over a 10 yr period from 50 to 60. Also have the wonderful albeit woefully under powered CRF250L for the muddy single track stuff. Long live the Awesome Players Off Road Motorcycle Club 🏍️🇨🇦
@davidnorrisnz
@davidnorrisnz 6 ай бұрын
Great video thanks mate
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
😎👍
@redtobertshateshandles
@redtobertshateshandles 6 ай бұрын
The old XT,DR,XL,XR 500's were perfect. Just needed bigger fuel tanks and better lights.
@randydewees7338
@randydewees7338 6 ай бұрын
About 15 years ago I was riding my Dakar 650 down a simple pole line road in the Mojave Desert near Jawbone Canyon. Needing a pee break I made a turn on to a downhill spur, realized my mistake, stopped, got off, tried to back it around, lost my footing, and ignominiously fell over with it on top of me. I laid there for a few seconds staring up at the sky and clouds through my fullface helmet pondering the totality of a 420 pound "dirt" bike, my 5'9" 160 pounds, my upper middle ageness, and how easy it was to get in this predicament. Then I decided to get up and move on. But I couldn't. That bike had fallen in such a way I could not shift it off. I struggled mindlessly for maybe 30 seconds before breathlessly giving up. I had another minute or so of pondering the sky and clouds. I wasn't uncomfortable, would probably survive long enough to be found alive. But then, my long past high school wrestling memories kicked in, and in a couple dep moves I escaped. You might think that I had learned my lesson, but no, my next bike was a R1150GS. Then another Dakar. Then a DR650 nearly as heavy as a Dakar. Then another Daker. Then the bike that drove the lesson home - the mighty KTM 990 Adventure R. That beast tempted me, I'd catch myself going way too fast. Like a rock climber free soloing, I knew if I kept this up it would kill me someday. So I got a WR250R.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Glad you survived it all! I was trapped under a DR650 years ago, just a very awkward position. With only 15 people watching me lol.
@michaelglenn2468
@michaelglenn2468 4 ай бұрын
I consider my T7 to be a lightweight sport tourer. But I still have crash bars and bark busters for the ever tempting fire roads.
@powertrip1050
@powertrip1050 6 ай бұрын
Another great video. I have 30+ years in road and dirt bikes, so I like your message - it is relevant and useful. The newbies to motorcycling (at more "advanced" age) don't know the nuances. For example, most adventure riding on the tube is dudes riding on dirt roads - roads that I have ridden many times on road bikes. If they find this adventurous, all power to them. It is helpful to let them know that once they get some experience they will likely need a smaller bike - cos they will want to tacckle tougher terrain - well, they will tackle "terrain", rather than a graded dirt road....and I agree - watching lunatics do THAT with the Africa Twin lardboat is AMAZING!! lotsa fun!!! 😂😂😂
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Have to admit I love watching the pro riders treat them like trials bikes!
@danbutler2934
@danbutler2934 6 ай бұрын
Interesting topic of conversation. I love the ads for their raw entertainment value but there will always be a few who's ego's out run their skills. ..."Hold my beer." Your suggestions are spot on. At 62 I've picked up trials again and I'm loving the training and workout! I'm improving slowly and hoping it transfers to my Enduro riding come spring. That's a better and safer place to invest your wild side especially in older age segment. Coaching? Hell yes! and the earlier the better in order to practice the right way. In the meantime, I'm loving watching Pol, Toni, Birchy's & others seemingly super human skills, and while awed & inspired I'm hopeful we're not too delusional about our own skills and don't rediscover reality the hard way. "Wait, let me get my phone out... ok go."😂
@VietnamMotorbikeTours
@VietnamMotorbikeTours 6 ай бұрын
love these videos . I often ride unpowered motorcycles and in a whole I find it teaches you to become a better rider . 80% rider 20% bike .. heard that before somewhere .
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Carry that corner speed, man. I recommend a Lifan with knobbies for dirt riding noobs.
@JustplainPete
@JustplainPete 6 ай бұрын
Hi everyone. This is somewhat off topic, but I would like to thank you guys for your video on the best boots to get. I was swayed by your arguments for getting the best possible boots ( I went with SG12's) and just yesterday I binned my bike at around 40kph, the bike landing on my right ankle and folding my foot forward and to the side. In real time during the crash as I felt my foot folding, I thought that it was certainly going to snap my ankle, but I actually also felt the point at which the boot stopped my foot from rotating any further and thus leaving me with a very sore and swollen ankle, but one that I can somewhat still walk on and within the next week or two be back to work etc. I have no doubt at all that the boot saved me from at minimum a trip to hospital for some plaster work. The price of the boots was paid for in full by just this first accident I have had, and I'm sure , considering my riding abilities, they will be tested again. So, thanks again, everyone, for your input into the discussions of safety gear Hope you all had a great Christmas and a happy new year. Stay safe As a side note. The boots took zero noticeable damage in the crash
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Great to hear, glad you didn't snap any bones. With enough force any boot is going to eventually give up and let major injuries occur, but I do think the best boots do a good job of balancing protection with being able to still walk in them. And best of all they should be providing similar protection five years down the track... or more. 😎👍
@didierdemeersman1140
@didierdemeersman1140 6 ай бұрын
You nailed it ! (Aprilia tuareg 660 -rider)
@agustincuevae
@agustincuevae 6 ай бұрын
For me its pretty much fun entertainment, but it gives me motivation to see how capable those bikes are in thr right hands
@Spaxcore
@Spaxcore 6 ай бұрын
This is why I'm aiming to get a Himalayan for my first bike. A low power bike with enough torque to get my around the trails but not enough power to get me into too much trouble in the open
@sburns2421
@sburns2421 6 ай бұрын
I think this started with the KTM Super Enduro vids almost 20 years ago
@abstractspaces8186
@abstractspaces8186 6 ай бұрын
I don't think anything will ever beat a ute and an enduro bike for actual off road adventure.
@Nick87899
@Nick87899 6 ай бұрын
Crusty Demons of Adventure bikes 🏍️
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
😂
@mikeisland7382
@mikeisland7382 6 ай бұрын
I would love to see Seth hit a dune topped out in "last gear" on a T7.
@oczhaal
@oczhaal 6 ай бұрын
These ads sure won't make me buy since I'm far from having this kind of skill !!
@Matthew-zw9su
@Matthew-zw9su 6 ай бұрын
Good stuff😊
@catmate8358
@catmate8358 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for this well thought out video. You covered all bases, there's little to add, except that the other day I crashed from my chair and it ended up being borderline lethal 🤣🤣 Now, as for crashing from a motorbike... Hmm... Those promo videos certainly do have effect on me so I'm giving it a thought, even though I probably shouldn't... But hey, one gets to be old only once in a lifetime 😁
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Those chairs can be dangerous lol.
@yorkchris10
@yorkchris10 6 ай бұрын
Oldsmobile used Jet and Rocket to describe their engines and put large tailfins with afterglow signals. It was a very optimistic time and only a few people actually rode a rocket - maybe count on hands including monkey and dog. There probably were a few generation that thought they were Jetson. The growth in adventure bike capability is still on B'nW TV.
@billybunter3753
@billybunter3753 6 ай бұрын
You trying to say I wasn't a Jetson???
@killerdeviant
@killerdeviant 6 ай бұрын
I think Pol is like 6’ 8”, which is worth mentioning. Makes the adv bikes look normal sized 😅
@owlteachereducation
@owlteachereducation 6 ай бұрын
Another great video and bang on the money - good to get a debate going about the marketing hype we love to see (hopefully with a big pinch of salt).
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Love a good debate and seeing all the different opinions. 😁
@jayschesser3795
@jayschesser3795 6 ай бұрын
I started out on a R1200GS and sold it to get a DR650. Then, I bought a CRF250L for the single track and more technical stuff. Kept the DR and CRF for 18 months after gaining confidence, and skills and attending an advanced dirt riding clinic. Now I have progressed to an Africa Twin and can happily ride dirt and more challenging terrain and still have a blast - I would never have gained the confidence and skills on the R1200GS alone - I definitely advise starting small and then choosing a bigger bike if you so desire. I wrote my CRF250L off from continued abuse and always falling off (don't become a good sailor in calm seas 😁.) Now I need another small bike for the technical stuff. More Enduro type like KTM 350 or similar. Great content, as always. Thanks.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Some great options in that category, Jay... 350EXCF, Sherco 300SEF, Beta RR350 and RR390. Long stroke engine on the RR390 is superb if you want more linear power delivery and a bit more of a dual sport feel.
@slappydave4241
@slappydave4241 6 ай бұрын
I'm an intermediate gp track rider Bought an Africa Twin DCT a few years ago for touring and intro to off-road Did lots of touring but too scared to off-road because it was big and heavy Sold it and bought a TW200 and took an off-road riding class and immediately started offroading After a few years of Tdubbing I'm ready to trade up to a real dirt bike Should have started with a Tdub but the Africa Twin looked cool and they let me test drive it haha
@EvLSpectre
@EvLSpectre 6 ай бұрын
I would say have a bigger notice that these are expert riders and few will ever get to their skill levels. I recently totalled my super ten, that was my daily bike. But i took it off road, some of which were single track stuff that you'd only take a dual sport through. Yea i struggled, dropped it a bunch of times but had fun. Have a 850gs now, and plan on doing the same. Taking a big ADV off road, you will drop it, its going to be a atruggle. But still can have lots of fun as long as you keep your expectation on big bike levels, not dual sport.
@bobdobalina798
@bobdobalina798 16 күн бұрын
Doing rider training is always a good idea . Most adventure riders on big bikes do lite off roading ie gravel roads etc and is basically treated as a comfy sports tourer
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 16 күн бұрын
Absolutely
@oOKAMAKAYAOo
@oOKAMAKAYAOo 6 ай бұрын
Those adds are pretty awesome but the end of the day if you just want to ride trails, get a dirt bike. If you want the versatility of a full size adv, then get one. I personally would not be happy sacrificing the road performance and reliability and comfort of my AT just to get a lighter bike for offroad. There is a high skill cap for mastering offroad on an adv - I like the idea of that challenge, regardless of how close I get to achieving it.
@troyfly71
@troyfly71 2 ай бұрын
Agreed on the dirt bike suggestion. Wish they made a long maintenance interval dirt bike.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 2 ай бұрын
It would probably wouldn't sell, but I'd love to see some of the big bore enduro models detuned and set up for more reliability. And add 1 litre to the oil capacity.
@ADV-Rider-Dude
@ADV-Rider-Dude 6 ай бұрын
All depends on what you are planning to do with the bike. I wanted something that can do a bit of everything. I know my skill limits and have a blast on my Tiger 1200 Rally Explorerbot on and offroad. Its als awesome for two up touring. Since I can only have one bike, I am more than happy with my purchase.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Right on
@ThrottleAddiction
@ThrottleAddiction 6 ай бұрын
I was watching a group ride conducted by another Australian KZfaqr, with several participants mounted on shiny new litre-plus adventure bikes. They visited one location with a descending gravel driveway. Getting in was a ginger affair, but get back out was an unexpected challenge for many and a couple had to simply get someone else to ride their _'bitten-off-more-than-they-could-chew'_ behemoths. No skills, but they bought the dream!
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Always makes for good comedy... if no one gets seriously hurt!
@DirtyDovi
@DirtyDovi 6 ай бұрын
What? There's only one guy rocking a Hayabusa sport-bike as his 'adv' bike? And he's not even mentioned?! "Matt Spears - Crotch Rocket at Moab, Hells Gate" 🤘🤣 Great video as always! I'm reminded of the guy that do 12 o' clock wheelies on full size HD baggers.. Just because a few people do it - doesn't make it the norm. [Then video after video comes out of people's 'attempts' followed by their 'Wrecks'.] As long as people are born, there's gonna be suckers born, and those are the ones who all of these ads seem to be aimed towards.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Those bagger wheelies! 😗
@larryhouse3776
@larryhouse3776 6 ай бұрын
Ive had my zx14r up some rocky surfaces and down some sketchy roads to get to camp locations or photo opportunities in the rocky mountains. Theyre exceptional off road aswell because of the same reason theyre praised on the street, their low center of gravity.
@steve_poole
@steve_poole 6 ай бұрын
I bought a T7 mid last year after 15 years of road riding. 18 months on I don't regret it, it's an awesome bike but the dirt learning curve would have been heaps easier on a WR250R or similar. I love the T7 for longer rides and commuting though.
@franckbrunie4759
@franckbrunie4759 6 ай бұрын
Fuel tank Warning sticker for T7 "WARNING: You are not Pol Tarres". This is what riders of my rally group did when they ordered their T7 two years ago, following the hype. That was the most meaningful warning sticker I have ever seen on a bike fuel tank. Meanwhile, one came back to a KTM EXC 500 to reenjoy riding, although he made podium at trials German championship back in the years. Dito!
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Great sticker!
@MotoGuzziMoto
@MotoGuzziMoto 6 ай бұрын
Half the problem is the fault of the buyer. They weigh the bike down with tons of accessories and then try to do things that the rider is not skilled enough to do. The bike is perfectly capable, with the right set of skills. Pol Tarres is not the only guy that can ride a T7 like a dual sport (although he might be the only guy that can ride one in Erzberg conditions). You will notice that Yamaha advertising does not promote Pol level riding, and I remember Adrien Van Beveren at the launch saying they tamed down the riding for the marketing shoot.
@robertdreaming1898
@robertdreaming1898 6 ай бұрын
You are the best… 🤙🤙🤙
@darkhorsewebdesign
@darkhorsewebdesign 6 ай бұрын
I fell for the marketing Hype, bought a Honda Africa twin, rode it for 2 years traded on a smaller road oriented bike and looking now for a used 250cc dual sport to learn off-road on.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Great bikes for sure... but usually a bit overwhelming if you didn't start riding dirt roads on something smaller.
@mrpalaces
@mrpalaces 6 ай бұрын
I tested a DesertX this year. Not in depth, just a few laps around a go kart track. But despite being the same weight as my Himalayan it felt heavier and didn't inspired confidence. Also tested a Tiger 900 and was a world of difference. I didn't go crazy with it, but felt confortable and the potential to push it a lot. Alas, already stretched my budget to get the Himalayan and I'm not upgrading any time soon
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Always pays to get a test ride if possible...
@Wintersdark
@Wintersdark 6 ай бұрын
I started (adventure riding, not riding overall) on a Tenere 700, and that was pretty fine for me for light trail riding. Fine so long as I wasn't going to pick up the bike more than twice in a day. There's no way I'd go any heavier unless I was ONLY riding dirt roads. No chance at all. Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, the bigger adventure bikes (Africa Twin an larger) are touring bikes made to handle decently maintained dirt roads, and that's it. I respect some people can handle them in rougher circumstances, but I'd hazard a guess that that list of people is WAY smaller than a lot of would-be members thinks. Even the T7 at 450ish lbs is *heavy* to lift. The tricky part is, if you're not lucky enough to live close to good offroad riding (I need a MINIMUM of an hour of highway riding to get to decent offroad riding) smaller bikes suck. Spending hours on a highway on a crf450 sounds like nightmare fuel for me. So we buy the bigger bike. But frankly I feel you're better served just buying a trailer at that point and getting an even smaller bike, towing your bike to where you want to ride, then driving home after. Then you can go even lighter and smaller and have a much better time in the dirt.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
I don't like the idea of owning a Chinese bike but must admit the new Kove 800X looks tempting. Very much like a T7 but they claim it's about 20kg lighter...
@wesc23
@wesc23 6 ай бұрын
Having spent hundreds of miles and hours on a Crf450l on the highway, it’s not too bad as long as you have a mini fairing and a good seat.
@jimigrill
@jimigrill 6 ай бұрын
Never heard of a death in hard enduro so no but everyone should test and know their limits before they even attempt to ride this hard. Pol Tarres also enters competitions with the Tenere 700, it isn't just a show I would say, at least in his case.
@OldeDog_NewTricks
@OldeDog_NewTricks 6 ай бұрын
I started off road on a BMW GS1200, however at the time I had no intention of venturing beyond jeep trails. I did that for about 4 years (increasing trail difficulty) and switched to a KTM 500. As I spent more time off road and pushed myself well beyond the jeep trails I just got tired of the repairs/maintenance, and picking up a heavy bike on goat trails. One upside to the pro videos was that it did give my confidence to know that the bike wasn’t the problem. I got the “bug” out of my system. My first major injury was on the 500 though 🤷🏻‍♂️ Unfortunately I haven’t been back in a couple years but definitely will be reaching for the 500.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
I'm considering an adventurised 500EXCF as well... the older I get, the lighter the bike hopefully.
@derweibhai
@derweibhai 6 ай бұрын
Love to see what a pro can do with these bikes and what they are truly capable of. I can't ride that way, but I can best 90% of normal riders on and off road so I can use more capability than most.
@MrEtnorb
@MrEtnorb 6 ай бұрын
YOu are correct. Rules no 1,2,3 of dirtbikes is choose the lightest bike that will do the job. As you age, make that rules 1-6. Even working on a twin or moving it around a garage or loading it onto a trailer become too much of a hassle as you age. At 67 I'm down to a KTM 500, which is the lightest you can go. Another good rule to follow, choose the bike that will cope with the worst terrain you can envisage. That means the lightest bike again.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Me too. In my 60s now and considering the 500EXCF next...
@mm.takeum
@mm.takeum 6 ай бұрын
Perfect video, excellent subject. Maximum 600 cc and have fun.
@oreocarlton3343
@oreocarlton3343 6 ай бұрын
Amen.
@Mr450pro
@Mr450pro 13 күн бұрын
48 year old here. Bought the T7 mostly because I love the look of it and because I do a lot of on road group rides. I wanted something comfortable for the road, but also a bike that I can use off road if I wanted to. I have zero experience off road, but thought the T7 couldn’t be that bad to learn on. But now looking back, I should just have bought a Honda CRF 300. It wouldn’t be as much fun on road, but it will be a lot easier to pick up after a tip over. The T7 is a bitch to lift back up and it’s really top heavy. But I love it on road. Maybe I should save up for a Honda 300
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 13 күн бұрын
We got to ride the CRF300Ls a lot in a recent three week trip to Canada. Surprisingly fun to ride and we'll do a review soon.
@Mr450pro
@Mr450pro 13 күн бұрын
@@crosstrainingadventure Sounds good I’ll be looking forward to it 👌🏻
@Lib-enduromedia
@Lib-enduromedia 6 ай бұрын
I'm waiting for a adventure bike max 450 cc from the green boys, wich you can ride also with the wife on the back. Versys 450 or something like that. 50 hp is more then enough to have fun on and offroad.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
I'm not fan of Chinese bikes but the new CFmoto 450 could be heading along the right lines...
@justicenotobedience4176
@justicenotobedience4176 6 ай бұрын
Coming from and still owing a 400kg cruiser (x-country) I thought it would be easy to handle a 220-250kg bike at 62y but watching the young one's struggle no matter how fit there are on the various sites, I've opted for a RE452, just under 200kg, b4 my tummy op I could pick up the cruiser, (some difficulties) but not now. I tested the 800DE zook to much power for what I wanted, and did the tip over test just managed, & I recon that this bag of old bones could lift up the RE452. 20-30kg dose make a lot of differance, I guess when it come to Oz in feb-march 24 we'll know. two bikes are better than one... Merry Christmas everyone
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Yes that extra 20kg can make a big difference. I've even noticed with the DR650 how much heavier it feels with a full tank of fuel... and that's only about 10kg.
@sjbechet1111
@sjbechet1111 6 ай бұрын
Thinking with the small head, ego over aspiration and a diminished sense of real ability is fucking dangerous. Your words ring very true “to ride fast on gravel, you first have to learn how to ride slow”. What isn’t shown from the making of these promo’s is the myriad bloopers, crashes and fuck ups that even the legends make - the difference is they anticipate it - they expect and know how to fall off. I had a cycling mate who was never going to be quick on the road, so he discovered downhill MTB something he could be competitive in by throwing $ at it. He was proud that he never fell off - well now he’s in his 2nd year recovering from a life changing brain injury from when he finally did. Point being, the modern gear lets riders, especially on the road get away with ever increasing speed but the place where feedback about the ‘limit’ is gets ever smaller - it becomes a knife edge that only the MotoGP aliens can tip toe across. A guy who would often pass me in my ‘newbie caution’ on the beach sideways at 100+kmh on his KTM1290, not long ago spent an hour trapped under it with a broken ankle and an in-coming tide. Dying like the hero in a James Bond movie might look glamorous in the movies but IMHO - fuck that for a game of soldiers.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Great point! A few years back we did vid on the enduro channel called 'When pro rider turn bad'. It showed the constant crashes as these gold class hard enduro riders were trying to learn new stunts!
@whitedrguy6503
@whitedrguy6503 6 ай бұрын
Most big adventure bikes never get off the blacktop in reality they are mainly used for touring because they can be ridden for long distances in reasonable comfort and look cool doing it, a GS 1200 with aluminium panniers make you look like Ewan and Charlie heading on the long way round, best BMW marketing ever that one, and they kept on crashing and got fed up with the weight but people went out in their thousands and bought a GS, so the question is why ? They showed they were a beast of a bike to lift up continuously and did break things but damn did they look cool doing it.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
I actually never watched the show but I heard they really wanted to run with KTM but the Austrians weren't interested? If so they missed a massive marketing opportunity... although if the bikes weren't reliable it could have been disastrous too lol.
@trevorklassen727
@trevorklassen727 6 ай бұрын
There is not a better reality check than your first technical ride on a big adventure bike.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Yep, there's no way to bluff your way through.
@Carlos-bp1vp
@Carlos-bp1vp 6 ай бұрын
The marketing videos are trying to sell the capability of the bike. Most owners will only do dirt roads with a mid-large adv bike, but they want to know their bike is capable of more. In reality, it is a huge chore and not fun to go full Pol-Tarres with these heavy machines. Let alone the cost of replacing things the videos don't show you. But that idea that you're riding some road version of a factory race bike is very marketable. Like Honda used to say in the 80's: "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday."
@dwightbernheimer331
@dwightbernheimer331 6 ай бұрын
Just the Fact that you would have to explain THIS to someone would be Enough reason for THAT someone NOT to buy a motorcycle to Begin with... Good stuff, Thanks for posting...😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
@michaelgorman164
@michaelgorman164 6 ай бұрын
Ironically, this is the third video I've watched this week where this subject was brought up, the first being Adam of Motology Films while riding his vintage Africa Twin. From a dealership standpoint, they do lure guys in thinking they turn and stop like a 250EXC. We get a lot of noobs "over biking" or buying based on the bikes they rode in 1981. We had friends come in and by MX bikes. Within 3 weeks they wanted to trade in on enduros. One just quit . But I can't say anything, if you look in my November feed, I'm airing out my KTM 950 at the KTM off-road demo.
@maxatrillionfatstacks
@maxatrillionfatstacks 6 ай бұрын
I agree with getting a dirtbike first, I grew up on dirtbikes and my first dual sport (and largest bike I had ridden at that point) was a KTM 400 exc. That bike taught me how to ride and was incredibly light, capable, and forgiving if you dropped in an awkward spot. I now have a BMW 1200 GS and my dad has a KTM 1190 adventure and the main concern I have riding them off road is clearance on obstacles and throwing my back out picking it up if I drop it in a weird spot. I'm a big dude and not the most skilled rider but I could probably take a T7 down most of the stuff I've ridden my 400 on but I have no delusions about taking the GS or the 1190 on technical singletrack. For me the appeal of the large adventure bikes is their road manners are comparable to a sport touring bike and getting the ass end out on a dirt road is very manageable for an experienced rider. I have gotten both wheels of the ground on both the 1190 and the GS and it wasn't nearly as terrifying as I thought it would be but I'm talking about getting half a foot of air off a bump in the road, not doing Pol Tarres kinda insanity. Even on my 400 Pol could still outride me on his T7 but if I'm sticking mostly to dirt and wanna push it I'd go for a dual sport if I wanna do a long trip and carry luggage and hit some muddy double track roads I'll take the ADV bike but I'm not gonna do serious off road with anything over 500cc's no matter what the ads tell me or how big my ego gets.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
I remember my first ever ride on a 400EXCF when they first came out. I was blown away as bikes like the XR400R (which I rode) were considered the go-to four strokes.
@Tony-zp8xn
@Tony-zp8xn 6 ай бұрын
I bought a Honda CRF300L Rally as my first bike. White helmet and my hot weather jacket is hi-viz yellow. I can confirm that being on a big red bike with a bright yellow jacket leads to fewer issues than driving my truck. Plus, on the bike, I get the benefit of lane positioning. The only thing I can't do much about are the few people who seemingly have no issue with tailing a motorcycle... some people just shouldn't be allowed to drive. As for the ads, I have no problem with them. It's the end user who needs to understand that they lack the skill to be able to pull off the same stunts as those pro level riders. Just buying and riding a T7 isn't going to magically make someone glide over obstacles.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
The tailgating is weird. I had a friend who drove like that. No aggression at all. But she just always sat on everyone's rear.
@painsrides3616
@painsrides3616 6 ай бұрын
I've ridden enough enduro and single track to know and at 56 I'm old enough not to fooled or influenced by marketing BS.... I bought a DRz400s for ADV use...
@martyn_g
@martyn_g 6 ай бұрын
I just bought a 1250GSA. But I’m not going to be doing enduro on it 😂 I think it’ll be fair, that BMW v the rest when it comes to the marketing are quite realistic when it comes to the potential of their 1250- they push their Safaris hard, but the routes are well within the parameters of the bikes ability
@malanthrope
@malanthrope 6 ай бұрын
I'm absolutely happy with crf300l, anything heavier would be a nightmare in some situations
@Demjan85
@Demjan85 6 ай бұрын
I think it's a learning curve that everyone goes through if youre coming from road bikes. Including myself coming from litre road bike i didn’t even think about small capacity adventure bikes. I bought myself a 990 adventure cause it looks cool and had enough of poke 7 years ago. With 0 trail skills dropped it numerous times, got exhausted. Sold it and bought bmw g650xchallenge which was modified in proper adventure bike with full suspension rebuilt, additional tanks etc. That bike was a learning desk for me. I still droped it a lot, but it was easy to pick up. It was managable. Fast forwards 7 years and 4 more bikes including 2t beta xtrainer and f850gs adventure i came back to gas gas es700 which is a golden middle for me. I can still ride on tarmac for long enough but its still light enough to travel on lanes by myself
@Theairguitarguy
@Theairguitarguy 6 ай бұрын
They are definitely doing false advertising by hiring these pros to ride in places where the average rider will not be able to! Myself included
@ComfyDadShoes
@ComfyDadShoes 6 ай бұрын
It’s going to get some people in impossible situations, especially the T7. Got a DR650, but almost got a klx300. As my back gets worse, I still might go smaller.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Same here, back issues (and age) will get me looking at bikes lighter than the DR650 soon.
@ddrowdy2
@ddrowdy2 6 ай бұрын
I love watching those guys make beasts dance like Enduro bikes. Even though I've been riding dirt bikes longer than most people have been alive, I know I don't have the skills to even try what they do. I second the idea of learning on a dirt bike before ever going out on the road, the learning curve is much faster and safer. BUT these days some people play a video game and think they have the real thing figured out so, let Darwin do his job.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Survival of the most cautious lol
@duncanshepherd2119
@duncanshepherd2119 6 ай бұрын
I think you're right, and its not limited to ADV bikes. The ubiquitous bike here in Los Angeles area is the KTM EXC 500, its considered "The Little Bike" by many, but its still capable of reaching well over 100 mph, even with low gearing. Some guy from Holland just completed the Baja 1000 on one, and it was a 2014 model he bought a few days before the event. THAT is an over powerful machine for us 40-80 year olds out in the desert. BUT, with great power comes great intoxication, and I don't see our poorly evolved monkey brains being able to logic our way out of this one. After all, we'd all be safer in SxS's, wouldn't we?
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Plenty of guys adventurising the 500EXCF. I'd love to see KTM bring out an adv model. Big oil capacity. Comfy seat. Big tank. Cush drive hub. Rally screen. Stronger subframe etc. There would be some overlap with the 690 but it should also weigh 40kg less. 😍
@duncanshepherd2119
@duncanshepherd2119 6 ай бұрын
@@crosstrainingadventure Yeah. For now we're just adding True North racks, 15T front sprockets and a Gasbag and calling it Light ADV. Although for me a key point is to do THAT to a 13-16 EXC because they seem to have the legs. A bit beefier in every dept. You raise an interesting point I've wondered about, which is what will the Kove 450 do to the Pumpkin patch plans. It seems KTM have been caught napping on this one, although they've never really been ones to listen to their fanbase, which is fervently loyal. All we wanted was a successor to the mighty 640 ADV. The Kove and AJP PR7 are bikes KTM could've made fairly easily.
@daddister7471
@daddister7471 6 ай бұрын
I have a friend who is considering selling his KTM 500 and using his 790 Adventure for the easier trails. Sounds reasonable enough, but even the 500 can be too much for him at times, he barely ever rides, and has a bad back from getting rear-ended on the street years ago....and he's almost 60. I've strongly encouraged him to keep the 790 on pavement as even a simple tip-over at a weird angle could make the bike nearly impossible to pick up on his own. I do greatly enjoy these videos though, but I do believe they encourage a lot of new riders to get in over their heads.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
From what you say it sounds like he'd be way better off keeping the 500EXCF but maybe adventurise it a bit? Get it lowered, comfy seat, big tank etc? I'm in my 60s now and weight is top of the list whenever I look at new bikes.
@oliviermagere
@oliviermagere 6 ай бұрын
The ads definitely confuse people. Whilst i don't think any average rider think they can do the same after watching Pol, it nudges your rational mind out of the way of getting what you can manage. I suspect the biggest effect is people getting the wrong bike, and not doing much if any at all of the off road riding they wanted to do. I only see dual sport on the trails near me, not a single even mid size adventure bike.
@johncarter1150
@johncarter1150 6 ай бұрын
Pan the America "Riding it like a dirt bike" LMAO
@MarkM-ke6cn
@MarkM-ke6cn 6 ай бұрын
I survived a 650, am currently riding a 400, and am now looking for my future 250/300. To become old and wise, we must first survive young and stupid.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Aint' that the truth lol. I shudder when I remember some of the dickhead riding from my 20s and 30s.
@RodNeufeld
@RodNeufeld 6 ай бұрын
Got back into riding in 2018 with a brand new shiny 690. I have to admit that was likely not the best choice for me at the time. I still love the bike with its gobs of power but I probably had a much longer period of time spent picking up where I left off and learning new skills at a slower pace than had I purchased a smaller bike. It wasn't till I bought my wife a 97 KLX 250 ( not exactly a light bike) that I realized the fun of being able to just throw it at everything and give it lots of throttle and not really ever feel like I was at the edge of control, whereas with the 690 it is way to easy and happens so quickly to be at the edge of the control limit. The other thing I have learned is that I am not a Dual sport rider in the sense that I no longer have any real desire to hit the roads for numerous reasons. It is just way more fun and safer to hit the local single track and forest service roads (Only as transitional points to trails). Will I get rid of the 690? No it is still too much fun, but I am really looking to get a 300 2 stroke not necessarily in orange though. I love your videos and content, you are one of the few content creators that compels me enough to make my foolish and uneducated thoughts known in the comment section.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Those 250 dual sport bikes can be so much fun. And I remember having a ball riding around Vietnam on a 200cc cruiser... it was all about corner speed, full throttle and momentum on the twisty mountain roads!
@larenvanderwesthuizen966
@larenvanderwesthuizen966 19 күн бұрын
Does showing you a bike riding calmly down a straight road give you a good idea of what it is capable of? These guys show you the outer extremes of the bikes capabilities and it is up to you to find and stick to your zone within that.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 19 күн бұрын
I see your point. But you can find videos of Goldwings hurtling around motocross tracks which is the outer extremes of what a good (possibly crazy) rider can do on a big road bike. Toni Bou can do stunts on the Africa Twin that Pol Tarres doesn't do on the T7... but I don't think that makes the Honda a better bike necessarily.
@matthewlindsay4701
@matthewlindsay4701 6 ай бұрын
I think the marketing shows what the bike can do with a really good rider on it. Hopefully people realise the marketers are just presenting their product in the best light. I also agree starting on a dirt bike is the best recommendation for newbies to learn skills
@victors3803
@victors3803 5 ай бұрын
I’m going to buy a hypermotard 696, use it everyday. Occasionally i will replace tires for travelling in mountains around the city. And for winters i’m going to buy a snowbike kit to turn it into a snowbike. I know its a ducati and bla-bla-bla. But i’m gonna use it 100% of its abilities.
@MidCoastAdventures
@MidCoastAdventures 6 ай бұрын
Joe Blow drifting sideways around blind corners. launching over solid logs, jumping creeks and exiting sandy beaches at 90 kph, will equal hospital food for a long time. It's irresponsible to promote big, powerful bikes this way. But, buyer beware. Good video to keep the masses thinking 👍
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын
Cheers. Obviously some experienced riders think this vid isn't needed and it should just be 'buyer beware'. But guys getting into adv riding for the first time often buy a bike too big and have to downsize quickly... hopefully not after an accident.