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I remember healing as a resto shaman way back when. I had just got into raiding for the first time in ICC. I didn't want to heal but they convinced me to try it. I fell in love. ICC gear is so good that I just machine gunned Chain Heals everywhere without really any worry about mana. I also remember my GM was a holy paladin and she died immediately to Marrowgar's flames and I solo healed the 10m fight. We killed him JUST as I ran out of mana.

Better title for this video: "HEALERS in Wrath Classic - They're Gigachads"

The best healer is the one you want to play.

Thank you for dropping these videos! I can tell a lot of work went into these, and I really appreciate it

I really enjoy your videos, thorough and refreshing from a long-time wrath players. This one I have a little bit of an issue with- and it is that we missed a huge concept on healing throughput capabilities. For some credibility here, I have been a guild and raid leader through wrath and have led my team to LK kills on both 10m and 25m. During MOP, legion, and wod I exclusively played wotlk private servers- it’s my favorite expac by far. I also have been 2400 on both resto sham and holy paladin and extensively raided with both. My gripe with this video is there is no talk of tank vs raid healing. Disc/Holy paladins have amazing single target throughput- however if a lethal raid wide damage mechanic happens, they fall behind. They cannot catch up the entire raid like a resto druid, resto sham, or even the low value holy priest can. Disc can get ahead of the damage as long as the spikes are infrequent, not a guarantee. Do disc/holy pal have the best throughput in the game? Of course, however they can’t split up this healing amongst many targets and so it just does not fit a lot of the fight mechanics. I think Resto sham/resto druid did not get enough rating in this regard. Resto sham is the only healer that can both tank heal with strong direct heals and raid heal with chain/riptides- they are invaluable to a raid team since they can pick take over and role due to deaths/no show/fight demands. For this I would add 1-2 stars to complexity, they are not a mindless chain heal spam anymore. They can easily outheal a holy/disc on most cleave heal fights. I would also put them at 5 stars for pvp as well, heroism + ranged kick + grounding is outstanding for a healer. They counter any spell caster comp, and there are many. Late game resto sham most players could not even kill through earth shield and the shammy could afk. Ghost wolf + slow totem is an outstanding way to deal with any melee- late game they really don't have a counter except maybe ret+ms. Not to mention cleansing totem for rogues/dks and tremor for warlocks, amazing utility/kit. In 3s the only other healer that can compete is hpal. Resto druid has the best raid wide throughput with wild growth, additionally their kit fits so well in many wrath mechanics. Think of saurfangs mark, or any intense dot mechanics- a couple life blooms and the healers don’t have to worry about it anymore. A holy pally or disc would constantly have to put energy into that target, where the druid does a couple globals and done. They also have an outstanding scale with haste and spell power- probably the most dramatic scaling on a healer class in wrath. For this I would give them 5 stars on scaling. In 25m, having 2-3 rdruids is not terrible either and another star for stacking would be my opinion there. One final notes is that disc should be a 3 max for pvp. Amazing for 2s, mana burns are great but they really don’t have a lot of comps for 3s. RMP is their only fit, which is a strong comp until tsg/phd pops off and when that happens they absolutely destroy the priest. Any melee comp, especially dks/wars will completely disable a disc priest and there is literally nothing the disc can do to get away; and there are a lottt of dks/wars. I would give disc a 2 in 3s and a 4/5 in 2s. Paladins really do not have a lot of healing buttons, their biggest gripe is that they are kind of boring if you play them a lot. I would do a 1 or 2 stars for complexity. Again great video overall- loved the overview!

Wotlk is a great expansion for healers, you can really play any of the specs and as long as you are a good healer it will work. From my experience, all the "'weaker" specs really are not that much weaker and you can easily overcome their limitations by using all of their spells/kit, or being good on mana management and anticipation.

Basically healers are pretty balanced except pally being OP and disc filling a unique one of niche

Basically as a disc priest I macroed my shield to Mouse 6 and it automatically spams casts while I switch targets throughout the raid, with the mandatory Prayer of Mending on the maintank at every cooldown. #1 healer in every encounter with very good mana control if properly communicating with shamans' Mana Tide and shadowpriests' Hymn of Hope without necessarily relying on Innervates. Absorbs are truly meta in Wrath because they soak most of raid damage taken every 30 seconds, which is (in most fights) around 10k-20k on each player(except tanks). Two shields per ~50-60 seconds count for a lot of damage mitigation and HoTs can cover most of the rest, which overall allows other healers to focus more on keeping the tanks in good health. The reason priests can be #1 on healing meters is that they mitigate the damage instead of heal it, so other healers don't get much other than snipes or HoT ticks. Thanks for coming to my 6 am Ted Talk, goodnight.

My first experience with progression raiding was in Wrath. I was on really late because of my job. A good guild grabbed me as a pug on my holy paladin. He said stand here and put a marker down. My job was spam holy light on the tank doing Sartharion.

Nearly all of Holy Paladins utility buttons get better too, Freedom/BoP/Sacrifice no longer wipe out blessings, Lay on Hands no longer wipes out your mana pool, Salvation doesn't eat a mandatory blessing slot any more, Judgements all get better, Auras apply to the entire raid, Divine Protection becomes useful, Hammer of Judgement gets a built-in interrupt, Seal of Wisdom becomes a reliable way to build mana, so many little buffs in addition to the new stuff

4:27 Horse be like, "Boo hoo. Where's my bubble?"

Honestly, as long as you're playing a healer you won't have any problems with finding a guild lol. Anyone who's feeling averse to trying a "less viable" spec really shouldn't be worried.

For parsing (and in general if you dont need more/better specific healing) you only want to bring resto druids and 1 disc priest, as the revitalize stacks and provides a lot of dps

I finally broke down and started a healer for the first time since original tbc. And I’m leveling a resto shaman currently lvl 72 and I’m enjoying it quite a bit. Heirlooms and this xp buff on an av weekend are suuuuper nice lol

Disc priest for life here! Did it back then and I’m doing it this time haha

Remember healers, we're the commodity now. We have tanks up to our ears with death knights being a thing

Love your guides

Great breakdown here.

Druid's are more desired than holy priests and resto shamans. They are fantastic at raid healing and have massive throughput. Revitalise talent is excellent. They have 7 heals to choose from for different situations. And can also tank heal quite well with healing touch and nourish. They also have massive sustain. Not as efficient as holy pallies, but they are only behind by a whisker.

WOTLK HYPE - lover ur vids wille

Thank you for a great video (as ever)! I'm sorry if I missed this, but does Power Word: Shield now allow warrior and bear tanks to get rage from being attacked?

Basically another Casual only video.

Going into my favorite expansion as a resto shaman. I will work my a** off just to prove it can rival any other healer.

I mained a resto shammy during wotlk and I can assure you, spamming chain heal was a surefire way to running oom fast, it was the hallmark of the noob resto in my eyes. Resto shammies should be spamming lesser healing wave and healing wave instead. LHW is a much quicker and mana efficient cast, and with enough crit you could pump out big heals that cleaved through Ancestral Awakening.

I just want to say I have been so Indecisive about healing specs. And you sir just convinced me to go holy pally! Thank you so much for all the info! All though I don’t get much time to play atm. I am an d veteran to the game. So I will definitely be lvling as holy xd

maining a disc priest for wrath, i’m excited even though i’m a 2 button class lol

I feel like earth shield and druid hots are not appreciated enough

Druids should really get a bump for the stacking category. Of Shaman, hpriest and druid; the druid bringing an additional battle res, regenerating other power sources and innervate. It does seem just a single star more desirable than the others. Shaman's most powerful abilities are less likely to be beneficial when there are more than one. Their improved mana spring is simply outclassed by holy paladin BoW. Priest are highly adaptable, and despite paladin and all other specs of priest being able to do so, they are very effective magic dispellers. The unique benifits of bringing a second hpreist are nearly non existant however particularly as in an organised comp this would be your third healing priest, meaning you are lacking in other areas of utility.

Guardian spirit is good if you have a paladin main tank, you get double death immunity since paladins have argent defender.

I learned not believe all the guides from you tube because of this video. It's the person that makes the class work, not the class itself.

Rolled a holy paladin this go around because I know people will be biased, but I had top HPS in the world on Firefighter at one point as a holy priest in original Wrath. That class was so much fun and so strong if you played it well.

I BEEN WAITIN

How did you made the enemy health bar (bame plates) to show a different color coresponding to each class?

Maining resto shaman. Could say that I’m very good at it. To be honest, I’m there at the top of meters beating some paladins and disc priests easily. 😊

Restodruids has the things that consume their heal over time for instant healing so. Great spec also.

I've been maining holy paladin since the end of wrath, and when classic came out I told myself I wasn't going to play paladins because I've been doing it for well over a decade in retail. But man, all paladin specs are insanely good in wrath x.x

having 5 stars on "stacking" for holy paladin and only 1 star for rdruid/rsham is just wrong imo. I remember both having either 2 resto shams or 2 resto druids in 25 man roster and it was very good for aoe dmg heavy encounters... much better than bringing 2x holy paladin for that.

I am holy pally what’s the best addons for the class I have played with a few but doesn’t seam fluid for the rotations

hyped for my holy pally

Would like the tank summary even though i'm committed to bear tanking :)

From what I remember, stacking in the video seems kinda upside down. In 25 man raid you would get 1 disc for shield spam, 1 hpala for tank and a bit of aoe heal(mainly for tank healing since monster single target), and then you would get 2 of the aoe healers ( mainly shaman since sham is better for aoe than druid). So the average comp was 1disc 1 hpala 1 rdruid and 2 rsham. for 6 healers you would get a second rdruid or even 3rd rsham.

What addon you use for your heatlh and raid frames for healers?

so either run 4 heal squad or 5 heal and then decide who's the fifth 2nd hpal 2nd rsham or hpriest

I think Resto Druid Revivalist is mega slept on. This buff is game changing for some DPS specs, especially DK's and Feral/Rogue. Depending on your comp, double Druid could be strong for more uptime if there are a lot of these specs in your raid.

ohh wotlk ...... sweet times i spent hundreds of hours in wotlk on my holy pala..... it was a beast. The numbers that it could pull of was straight up nuts :D. All i had to do to get to any pug I fancied running was just write to the dude organizing it that i am holy pala and add in the achie from LK kill and i was in ...... regardless of what raid I was asking for, being holy pala that was able to kill LK was all what i needed :D :D :D.

My Priest's WotLK healing spec will be 38H/33D, since full Holy or Discipline doesn't do it for me personally. I did a Restoration Shaman main in TBC, but totems are an annoying/clunky class mechanic to deal with IMO, even with some improvements in WotLK. Also not a fan of the class/play feel of Paladins, or being stuck in a goofy Tree Form for Druids.

Used to solo heal a few fights in ICC hc back in the day, was restro shaman...

WotLK more or less managed to make it not worth it to stack any healer at all. I don't think you want your healers to be only even holy palas, much less the others. The various specs complement each other.

In actual vanilla i ran a priest, in tbc i ran a resto shaman and both were a blast.. i ran a feral druid and ret paladin in cata era and now on a free PR i decided to run classes I never max leveled like mage, lock, hunter . Ive had a legit warrior in tbc and cata but loved em. Played a little on a cata PR and love priest still but i kinda wana checkout druid or paladin and roll solely healing specs . Im leaning towards druid. Most of my "wow career" I ran as dps and now what I like is the ying and yang of it via tanking and healing. I semi rolled paladin and tanked 5 mans but in tbc levelling at 62 i went prot and loved it. Similar to disc in cata and loved it. On this PR. It's 7x exp so levelling will be fast so I have some options and want to roll a straight out healer since I have 3 ranged DPS (lock, hunter mage) and tank with my 65 warrior but now im going for the trifecta for healer. I have found out that I like tanking or healing a lot better than DPS when running five-man groups I don't plan to endgame but to heal 5 mans and some world pvp and BGs.. i want flexibility

Back in original Wrath, a friend asked me to go Gnome 'Lock during Wrath and I laughed my ass off. He said "look, I wanna try Holy Paly and I think we can do some serious shit together". So... we gave it a whirl. OMFG, we obliterated mobs as we leveled and there were very few open world PvP fights we lost (neither of us cared much about BGs). As a Demo 'Lock paired with a Holy Paladin, it seemed pretty damn contrary to the rules of the universe but man, did we have a good time. As we approached level 50, we saw the writing on the wall, I was itchy to get back to Horde and he wanted to Raid but we're still good close friends. Fun times.

After few weeks of playing rshammy n clearing all content every reset, if your raid has a hpally+disc Priest your healing job as any other healer changes a lot since tanks will never dies and a lot of burst damage is mitigated, so I tend to be able to conserve a lot of mana and use a lot more lesser healing waves/riptides instead of chain healing. There’s still phases where you gata spa, chainheal like a mad lad, but you definitely can keep your overheating to a minimum just be playing smart with target heals. My raid has hpally, 2 rdruids n me rshammy so a lot of the time im focusing on bursted targets that aren’t the tanks and letting the dots n shields keep the raid healthy, rdruids pop the hell off with heals but a lot of the time they get kinda briefed by over zealous heals during light damage phases. It’s really just 3 drakes that can be difficult with all the movement and people getting hit with walls while having to balance the Agro on the adds that spawn that’s difficult rn but if no one gets hit by walls or blasted by the drakes breath attack it’s smooth

I was able to get full icc25 heroic gear at the age of 14, so its not like this game was hard. Play whatever class or spec you think is fun. The only thing you need to min/max for is speed running raids or arena teams

Hearing you talk about rsham is hilarious. Hpal/rsham/disc are the top tier heals, you can literally only run them and it's perfectly fine. Where do you get your information?

I casually watch your videos from time to time. But this one throws the relevance of all the rest into question.

Pally is great, that is for sure but it gets too much credit from judgment of light. Don't forget that any paladin can do the judgment and there must be one placed in any raid, it is more of a passive buff for everyone. The real healing output of the paladin is its healing without the judgment. When you take this into account and also the fact that its aoe healing is bit weak, holy paladin can be considered great, but maybe more on par with the other specs. In terms of complexity again, the base gameplay might be simple, but the value of any paladin is the many assist spells like hands, raid sac and such, and holy paladin has to use all of them on top of spam healing, which is not the simplest.

No one beats holy in numbers if you know them well. I get whispers from people to ask me if they can add me lol. But in order to achieve that I have 3week auras just for the spec.

My 25man had 6 pallys 4 locks and 2 priests all rolling against each other for tier pieces, meanwhile I rolled against 1-2 people per shaman drop lol

Don't let this video fool you, Druids are still monsters in arena.

As someone who hardcore dual mained hpaly and rsham in original wrath (i played 14-16 hrs daily for the entire xpac) and currently playing classic wrath, Id say the two are very close and it comes down to player skill because both can pump mega heals. Chain heal is the single best heal in the game and rshams have plenty of utility to be 2 stacked or even 5 stacked. Raid healing is super easy on rsham and chain heal auto targets so you literally just spam it and gg. Dungeon healing is also easier on rsham because earth shield is passively popping off and chain heal is so good. Hpaly has higher hps potential when you start pumping glyphed holy lights (heroic icc has a lot of encounters that will require crazy holy light spam) and they can manage tank healing most efficiently due to beacon, but a skilled rsham can manage it in the absence of hpaly. Raid healing is really fun on rsham mostly because chain heal is so good, and its more engaging to play than hpaly where you're just spamming a boring single target spell. But spamming and not running out of mana is also fun. But managing your mana on rsham and watching chain heal take different paths each time you use it and seeing the green numbers everywhere is also extremely fun. Pick what you have fun on because they're both so good.

druid healers as decent in wrath!? you kidding me...I remember them being one of the better ones in wrath actually...Once you get your ICC gear they spike up like craaazy

Druids And Holy Priest = Raid healers Shaman= Tank/Melee Paladin= Tank Disc = Bubble Gods that rule all.

Still can’t decide between shammy or Pally heals :(

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Oh god, ever much so, yes. I remember my guild + some out-of-guild friends doing trial of the crusader 20 man for the first time. I, as an inexperienced heladin, was brought along as an off/tank heal It was smooth sailing until Anub'arak, who had wiped nearly the whole raid as he dropped to

Where are the DK Rune-Healer and the Pet-Heal-Hunter in this?

Stacking 1/5 shaman, why? Can you not raid with more than on shaman heal? I think u can…

After healing for decade, I might do dps first this time around, never find a group without my tank friend, but idk if I want to heal all over again.

I was kind of hoping this would go over the differences between healing in Wrath compared to retail. I have been missing out on Classic thus far and would like to properly get into it but don't really know what I am doing.

Sad, that you did not give the restodruid more love. You showed different spells and glyphs for other healers. Strength and weaknesses, but for resto you basically said "yep, middle of the pack cause some hots roll" There will be fights, where restodruid will top the meters, as long as there will be dmg. I am quite sure, that if you run with less healers, the Druid will be better and better. I can imagine fights like Mimiron will be insane for restodruids. Right now we raid with 2-3 Healers in Sunwell and the numbers I put out are so insane and no other healer could have the same output. You did not talk about Wild growth, nourish and the different kind of ways you can go with your talents, so that you can be either be a really really good tankhealer, as in TBC, or go for more hots on the raid and focus more on blanketing. I dont want to be annoying and complain a lot. But i was just dissapointed, how you just tossed everything the restodruid does aside and just gave it "middle of the pack" without even saying what spells the restodruid uses.

I play holy priest and im having a blast

I’m a noob, can u explain glyphs?

The scaling power of disc shields is not underlined hard enough. Bubbles are going to be straight up amazing

In an ideal 25 man raid you'd have two Holy Paladins, a Disc Priest, two Resto Druids and two Resto Shaman (in my view). One of each of the Druids and Shaman should have a good DPS off-spec for when you simply don't need seven healers. It feels bad leaving out the Holy Priest, but its simply not needed and its off-spec (Shadow) isn't great at being stacked in my opinion and you should always have a dedicated Shadow Priest. But base it off the quality of players in the guild - if you have a great Holy Priest you can switch out a Shaman (not the Druid in my opinion - double tree feels great to have).

lol all the healers i see in wotlk grps are holy paladin ; it has begun.

I was a healer trough TBCC, doing pretty well on all metrics that are available. I really enjoyed the mechanics of downranking and managing your mana, as you had your rotation similar to dps and had to divert to higher ranks when necessary, always keeping your mana in mind. It gave the role nuance and depth After the prepatch, basically all healer classes have turned into mindless spambots, with disci being the worst offender. You spam one single button. For the whole freaking fight. You don't do anything else, as any other healing spell is a hps loss. It's unbelievably braindead. Sorry, if you enjoy it, but let's see how much fun you have doing that for a whole year of weekly raiding Other healer classes aren't better tho. You spam your (smart) cd heals (CoH, Wild Growth, PoM, Riptide) on cooldown and fill the gaps with other spam heal spells available to your class. There is almost no decision making in it Perhaps WotLk is not the expansion for me

I don't know why almost no one mentions hymn of hope for holy priests. Not only does it boost base mana, it can intelligently give so much mana to several people.

Been a pally/sham main since legion and been playing them all of classic. Still going to play my sham as my healer. It's the player not the spec :)

XD I guess I will be one of the few Holy Priests on Fresh Skyfury

My goal as a drood was to always out heal my pally in 10 mans. I got him a couple times and would gloat all damn day.

One thing to probably mention is that circle of healing does get a cooldown (6s) in wrath, so it is not spamable. This is kind of a big hit to holy priest. The rest of the healers are all great, but I would unfortunately put holy priest just a peg underneath the rest :(

You can certainly stack raid healers like resto shaman and druids. You don't really need more than one holy pala though.

2 disc priests for 25man raids wasn't a horrible idea honestly. I recall we just used to assign them to different groups and it works out pretty nicely.

Resto shaman is going to be strongest

Holy paladin is definitely not more complex than a 1 star.

I remember in original WotLK, holy palas were always pushed into the tank healer slot with some raid leads even explicitly telling you to put you beacon on the main tank and exclusively spamming heals on the off tank or vice versa. Really, reeeeeally boring stuff but so much fun if the raid lead just let you do your thing instead.

Hpally FTW!

Tree FTW

In tbc my druid was putting up 94 parses with average bt gear... on most fights i was between our raids two holy priests... I think people under rate the throughput that resto has.

How have you rated literally ZERO specs below average for early and scaling? Do you know what average means?

idk man. i haven't seen a whole lot of Hpallys that can out heal me or the disc priest in our guild. they don't get a chance to heal much what with the bubble and hots. im sure they have the most healing capability but with other good heals they dont get a chance to shine much.

at the end you asked what role we'd like to see next but I'm pretty sure the only thing left is tank dog

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Holy spots in raid are so contentious with 3 being auto filled by 2 paladins 1 disc.

Only thing I'm hesitant about in this video holy pally stacking? Holy plays nitche is is best tank heal becan one take heal other ez but I wouldn't consider them a "raid" healer yes they can but compared to shammys druids and holy preist that all raid heal so much easier ehhh idk

alright alright i'll duel spec holy paladin..

just an another conformation that holly paladin its just a god

Mark my words: resto shaman is going to be an S tier class once people realize they can dps weave super easily with a resto/elemental split.

It's pretty weird to include Judgement of Light as a paladin heal when literally any Paladin can bring it and it's definitely not going to be Hpala's job to keep it up.

No complexity on disc? Wut? Aren't they the healer that needs to know the fights more than any other...