William Gibson: The 80s Revolution

William Gibson: The 80s Revolution - Extra Sci Fi

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After Star Wars, the science fiction genre suddenly became a pop culture darling, and a flood of schlocky imitations followed. William Gibson led the charge to reclaim space in the genre for his concept of future history - one that, in turn, eventually launched cyberpunk.
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@extrahistory 6 жыл бұрын

Much as we love Star Wars, the flood of imitations that followed it nearly drowned out other approaches to science fiction. Enter William Gibson, whose "future history" kicked off a genre revolution. This episode was brought to you by The Great Courses Plus! Start your free 1-month trial today: ow.ly/3iLM30egcfR

@geraldgrenier8132 6 жыл бұрын

Please note Gibson got the _Future History_ from Heinlein

@maxfieldjoyner5244 6 жыл бұрын

I love hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy.

@shitpostmagee1728 6 жыл бұрын

You guys can turn something as boring as the articles of Confederation and turn it interesting keep up the good work and you were one of the good parts about KZfaq rewind

@benodell7906 6 жыл бұрын

Will there ever be an extra fantasy?

@ThomasFromNork 6 жыл бұрын

Extra Credits I'm sure I won't be the only one who will say this, and I know that for all intents and purposes of this video it doesn't matter that much, but Star Wars is a science fantasy movie, not science fiction. Science fiction aims to put the reader (or watcher) into a world similar to their own and have the characters perform actions using science or technology that is usually explained (not always correctly, but in some way or another). Science fantasy; though, which is what Star Wars is, focuses on placing the reader in a world completely unknown to them and have the characters perform actions using science or technology without explanations. For example, in the original trilogy, the force is just a part of their world, it is unexplained, and as a viewer we are expected to just accept that it is there, without questioning why.

@ClausCorbett 6 жыл бұрын

I just love the art on this channel. So many references and nods here and there. Someone give David Hueso an award pls.

@davidhueso 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot ! just doing my job :D

@Kraigon42 6 жыл бұрын

David Hueso Well, you're going above and beyond here. This episode was jam-packed with lovely nods and visual references that didn't need to be there, but were absolutely perfect for the topics of discussion.

@RedDragonShard 6 жыл бұрын

I see you Hecknomancer

@HardyHarHar404 6 жыл бұрын

RedDragonShard Hecknomancer 2099?

@eddokter 6 жыл бұрын

I like the visual Shadowrun reference in a video about Gibson. Especially given how much he hated it.

@geraldgrenier8132 6 жыл бұрын

you sure it was a shadowrun reference given how heavily it "borrowed" form Gibson?

@CanadianFabe 6 жыл бұрын

The Posters that read "Horizon" and "Ares" were definitely shadowrun reference .those are two of the 6 biggest megacorps in the game world

@zeroangelmk1 6 жыл бұрын

He didn't seem to despise it, just had a bit of disdain for it. His vision of a cyberpunk dystopic future sullied by things like elves and orcs and made a bit more 'pulp-like'. Also he notes that none of the people who made Shadowrun really acknowledged his work or collaborated with him, so there might've been some jealousy there.

@450oyster 6 жыл бұрын

5:32 for people who are wondering what they are talking about.

@frogihorror6550 6 жыл бұрын

Please, please, PLEASE, make an episode about Stanislaw Lem. He's one of the greatest sci-fi minds, and though there is "Solaris" movie, I feel like not many people know about the author. Please, make it happen, and I will be subscribed to you till the day I die.

@HalNordmann 3 жыл бұрын

I know him, but he gets confusing to read sometimes.

@benlawrence309 6 жыл бұрын

I think the show Black Mirror paints a view of technology, becoming unknown and wild in its infornot worlds of culture and social networks we as people perceive.

@poppop-oj6by 6 жыл бұрын

Ben Lawrence I know black mirror is trying to do that. Still they paint (in my view) unoriginal pictures of problems that have been shown before and everyone acts like they invented the scenarios. They show reall problems we have neen thinking about for decades as if we didn't think about that already. For most this is true which makes me sad.

@lordzaboem 6 жыл бұрын

infornot?

@bruhgames4175 5 жыл бұрын

pop pop I feel the same.

@refreshdaemon 6 жыл бұрын

What timing! I'm just about halfway through Neuromancer.

@geoffgreen2105 6 жыл бұрын

So lucky! If I could go back and read a book for the first time again, I think Neuromancer would be a strong candidate.

@thomasjardine2108 5 жыл бұрын

Same here

@clickbateman9224 6 жыл бұрын

I'm watching this on my Ono Sendai cyberspace 7 deck right now.

@duckrutt 6 жыл бұрын

Neuromancer was the first e-book I ever purchased even though I owned a paper copy, it seemed appropriate at the time. PS While you *can* read it on a 4" smartphone I wouldn't recommend it.

@NixodCreations 6 жыл бұрын

Question to EC team: Do you consider Star Wars Science Fiction? Because to me, it's fantasy in a science fiction setting. At its core, it's a story about magical knights and fighting an evil wizard and his evil empire. It was designed to be a combination of a fanciful retelling of the American Revolution mixed with WWII movies mixed with popular scifi imagery. It doesn't ask any questions about science and how it interacts with humanity, and deliberately ignores science wholesale it unless it looks or sounds cool. What do you guys think?

@rmsgrey 6 жыл бұрын

One of the aspects of science fiction being a genre is that there are works that use the established tropes of the genre as a setting to tell a different type of story rather than telling the same type of story. So Star Wars fits squarely into the genre, while not actually having the substance normally associated with the genre (though space opera has been a thriving sub-genre at least as far back as Buck Rogers...)

@Gilpow 5 жыл бұрын

Lol only ignorant "nerds" would think Star Wars is sci-fi, rather than fantasy in a futuristic setting.

@Magnulus76 Жыл бұрын

It's space opera, which is a genre of science fiction.

@anextlomara5981 6 жыл бұрын

I know that since you’ve talked about him before in EC, you will probably do videos on him, but could you do a series on H.P. Lovecraft and his pantheon of Great Old Ones and Outer Gods?

@Hommededarwin 6 жыл бұрын

Anextlomara He is a fantastic autor, not sci-fi... yes it’s technically aliens gods, but the focus is more on the unknown and horror

@cloudbloom 6 жыл бұрын

"He took a duck in the face at 250 knots"

@J3Compton 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent as always. I enjoyed Neuromancer when I read it like 15 years ago, but it didn't grab me. I had enjoyed Shadowrun and other cyberpunk stuff more, and saw Gibson as the one who primarily launched cyberpunk, but being a bit superseded. This video made me appreciate how he achieved much more than just that.

@taylorhancock5834 6 жыл бұрын

I love the sheer number of Sci-Fi references in this show! From Space Core to the "Stair Compatible" ED-209 and Asimov to Adams, each random reference makes me laugh. Love your videos!

@davidhueso 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot , I try to cram there as many as I can all from shows , books and stuff that I love.

@HypurrLily 6 жыл бұрын

I saw Douglas Adams in there. Can we get an episode on him?

@HypurrLily 6 жыл бұрын

He's my favorite too! I think he'd make for a good Extra Sci-Fi as well.

@jammers195 6 жыл бұрын

I always bring a towel because of him

@0Quiwi0 6 жыл бұрын

I rank Vernor Vinge over him (might guess from my name), but on the humor side he is the best one since... Ever?

@marktaylor6491 6 жыл бұрын

Note that 'likes' currently sit at '42'.

@lordzaboem 6 жыл бұрын

HypurrLily Although Adams is my favorite author also, he wasn't really that influential, was he?

@Adrischa 6 жыл бұрын

In extra sci-fi there are just so many gorgeous images. Great job

@TymersRealm 6 жыл бұрын

With this opening, this next series should be a interesting ride.

@casemiroazevedo 6 жыл бұрын

I love you guys so much for doing this sci-fi series. So. Much. (Especially talking about William Gibson. THANK YOU)

@tanglingheadphones 6 жыл бұрын

Yay, Gibson! This is gonna be a fun ride. Also crossing my fingers for Octavia Butler, Ursula Le Guin, and Harlan Ellison. This is currently my favorite series in KZfaq at the moment, thanks for doing this.

@Khether0001 6 жыл бұрын

oh my god, kudos to the illustration artist! the one at 1:00 is a hell of a interpretation of abstract, also the quick heck puns are always *so awesome!!!* looove them!!!!!😁

@at5203 6 жыл бұрын

HOW DID I MISSED THIS SERIES UNTIL TODAY!? I should ring that alarm Bell for this channel.

@TransSappho 6 жыл бұрын

I’m so glad that you mentioned Star Crash! It’s one of my favorite so bad it’s good movies!

@liamer88 6 жыл бұрын

God I love that shoutout to Shadowrun. So subtle you can miss it if you're not paying attention. Well done!

@vicfernandez8015 6 жыл бұрын

I love this new extra series! please, do an episode about Ursula K. Le Guin and /or Ray Bradbury! It would be awesome!

@diegodoumecq5144 6 жыл бұрын

My goodness man, the drawings in this video are outstanding! Bravo! 👏👏

@timothymclean 6 жыл бұрын

I kinda wish this series went through the biggest innovations in science fiction more or less in order. Ah well, we'll get to them eventually. Will there be an Extra-Sci-Fi-In-Historical-Order playlist, like there is for Extra History?

@jean-philippedoyon9904 6 жыл бұрын

No mention of Frank Hebert Dune for the 60s ?

@stevepittman3770 6 жыл бұрын

I'm really digging this scifi series, especially now that it's getting into stuff I can relate to.

@boriskocmaruk992 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for covering Gibson, love you guys.

@TheStrangeSandwich 6 жыл бұрын

Can I just say there is some amazing artwork being done here. Really awesome job.

@TyphonTheos 6 жыл бұрын

I LOVE this new series. Keep it up, guys!

@TheCreepypro 6 жыл бұрын

man this already sounds good can't wait to see and hear more bring it on

@bryce866 6 жыл бұрын

Even tho it's new I love this series, keep up the good work!

@bacon4life673 6 жыл бұрын

Even thou you love this series what?

@nfistfu 6 жыл бұрын

Just wanted to let you guys know that I'm loving this series so far.

@pedroff_1 6 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see, evidently, an analysis of the book "Stalker", or about its authors, Boris and Arlady Strugatsky.

@XalphYT 6 жыл бұрын

This is an amazing video. Thank you for making it!

@Kargush 6 жыл бұрын

So many lovely references in the background. Awesome.

@jaredong 6 жыл бұрын

The art in this episode is so clean and on point :)

@Bobberation 6 жыл бұрын

Literally first thing I said when I saw the title is "Oh, are we talking Neuromancer?" Then the intro set me straight. Looking forward to this series.

@cyrusjameskhan 6 жыл бұрын

Great episode, a big fan of William Gibson and Cyberpunk... Would love to see an episode dedicated to the sub-genre. Perhaps also discussing where it can go..

@PatriciaVettori Жыл бұрын

I would love it if you'd include a chart that lists all the sub-movements within the SciFi genre. I feel like I may have seen one in one of the episodes. These episodes are so informative! Thank you! :)

@RWSCOTT 6 жыл бұрын

Love this series. Hope you get into Jeter's Farewell Horizontal in this section. Underrated and relevant.

@arrbos 6 жыл бұрын

It's weird that you jumped from Shelley to Gibson. I assume at some point you'll talk about Verne, EE Smith, Stanisław Lem, Asimov, Heinlein, Campbell, even Ellison. In fact I would give Ellison way more credit than Gibson for the 80s SF sea-change.

@gennik7966 6 жыл бұрын

So many easter eggs in this episode. Loved it!

@scarredchild 6 жыл бұрын

I've never heard of this guy before, yet he asks a lot of the questions I do when writing. I can hardly wait until you do a series on him. Thanks for the introduction! =)

@Noelwiz 6 жыл бұрын

Heck snek hype

@mikked01 6 жыл бұрын

Heck snek for the heck.

@zexionthefirst6767 6 жыл бұрын

Heck did me a bamboozle.

@inferno7181 6 жыл бұрын

No step on Heck Snek!

@sailor15galaxy10 6 жыл бұрын

I know that I'm going to love this series!

@Hexsyn 6 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the shadowrun shout-out so very much!

@zfoolish 6 жыл бұрын

Excited for this series. Hope you guys cover Dune but that's a Titan of SciFi to explain

@crackedConstant 6 жыл бұрын

Damn. Love me some Gibson, great topic! Looking forward to the next part.

@basstedson 2 жыл бұрын

It's sad this series didn't go so well. I would have really enjoyed a series on the sprawl trilogy.

@PanzerfaustBR 6 жыл бұрын

Loved the Shadowrun reference. You guys are the greatest

@Adventurer32 6 жыл бұрын

Does Luke Skywalker not look slightly like Justinian?

@westhuizenarchives2614 6 жыл бұрын

Adventurer32 yes yes he does Mark Hamil:😑

@greenrocket23 6 жыл бұрын

Well... Justinian also started out as farm boy, but unlike Luke he fought to save the empire (and with it the last embers of classical greco-roman civilization) not tearing it down.

@PantherAssaultCannon 6 жыл бұрын

I approve of the running joke of the heck snakes in the Extra mediums lately. Knocking it our of the park, art teams. Keep it up!

@shadowdagger2 6 жыл бұрын

Damn it..... you total nailed that intro. My first 30 seconds of this video: "YES! YEEEESSS! Yes? Hell YES! Hmmmmmm...... go on...."

@MihaiCernea 6 жыл бұрын

Especially great art this time. Looks like David has a real passion for this stuff

@atalantab8764 6 жыл бұрын

I LOVE THIS SERIES! Keep it up :)

@LexYeen 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent timing on this episode, team.

@greg3284 6 жыл бұрын

This is good stuff, thanks EC!

@darrinweston2057 6 жыл бұрын

This is just like the sci-fi class I took in high school years ago. I would love to see an episode/series on Ray Bradbury somewhere down the line. Fahrenheit 451 is always worth a read (or three).

@Alefiend 6 жыл бұрын

I'm really looking forward to seeing how this develops.

@sanguiniusonvacation1803 6 жыл бұрын

So it's like ....star treks future of peace and love ...vs warhammer 40ks future of religious oppression , ultra nationalism , and slow inevitable fade to black ?

@Theigzorn 6 жыл бұрын

well its true that 40k has a religious oppression , ultra nationalism , and slow inevitable fade to black. but thats only waht you see when you look at the surfice. it has more shades than just black and white. for exemple.: the irony that the "being" that wanted the humanaty secular is in the current fluff timeline worship't as a god .

@mikhailbychkov5042 6 жыл бұрын

P K *SMASH IT* !!

@Theigzorn 6 жыл бұрын

f ing heretics!!!

@hedgehog3180 6 жыл бұрын

Warhammer isn't really trying to ask questions. I'm not bashing it but it is much more like Star Wars in that it is more about telling stories than pondering societal questions.

@MrClickity 6 жыл бұрын

The funny thing is, said oppression and ultra nationalism is one of the best possible options in that mythos. Most of the alternatives are far worse. At least the Imperium probably won't wipe out your whole planet without a good reason. At least they don't imprison people and subject them to unimaginable torment (except when they really need to in order to allow interstellar travel to continue)

@namakehruk 6 жыл бұрын

I don't know if y'all take suggestions or questions, but there's two things I would love to hear from you guys, since you make stuff so easy to understand. I've read Frank Herbert's Dune, I love Dune, I know it's supposed to be important to sci-fi, but i don't know how. Did it just sell really well? Did it set trends? And the other thing, how do you tell the difference between science fiction and science fantasy? Is there a clear distinction? I've heard different things from different places, and with how well I usually absorb your videos, I'd love to hear y'all's thoughts.

@LordofSyn 6 жыл бұрын

Logan Atreides Sir Atreides, of House Atreides, you should know how the Dune collection made its own waves on literature and science fiction. It was not pretty, but life isn't. Why do you fear? Isn't fear the Mindkiller?

@stevepittman3770 6 жыл бұрын

I second the idea of a series on Dune, for a multitude of reasons. It was an interesting blending of cultural interpretations, ecology, and human nature.

@onelowerlight 6 жыл бұрын

As I understand it, Dune is like Lord of the Rings, but for science fiction. Asimov took Edward Gibbon's Decline and Fall of Rome, and used it as the basis for his Foundation series. Herbert took it one step further and used Mohammed and the rise of Islam as the basis for Dune. He also did some fantastic stuff with the 3rd person omniscient point of view, which very few others have been able to replicate. You know, from the moment he walks onto the page, which character is going to backstab House Atreides, and yet it still makes for a gripping story. I think Dune was one of the first works of science fiction that turned world-building into a thing. Before, most SF novelists struggled to reach 40k words (about 150 pages), as short stories tended to dominate the genre. The emphasis was more on ideas than on character or setting, which tends toward the short form. Dune was one of the first books to create a massive world capable of telling an epic story comparable to Lord of the Rings.

@namakehruk 6 жыл бұрын

Syn's Arcade I don’t know, actually. I loved Dune, but I don’t read as often as I should because I play video games too much, so I don’t really know where it fits in the context of sci-fi. I’m just not well-read enough. Nice catch on the Atreides, btw, a lot of people either don’t get the reference or don’t bring it up.

@varana 6 жыл бұрын

Dune plays with a lot of tropes that are common in fantasy, and in other parts, is very much _science_ fiction. (And I think that drawing a clear distinction is futile, anyway.) It sold only decently in its day (the first part, _Dune_ , came out in 1965), but it has been groundbreaking in a literary sense. Its focus on ecology, religion, AI (or the lack thereof), drugs, language, and generally human society instead of space adventures or strictly "hard" SF changed science fiction was very influential for later SF, and while it's not part of the New Wave talked about in this video, it probably laid part of the groundwork for it.

@invalidusername6809 6 жыл бұрын

Let's be honest if you don't at some point do at least one episode on cyberpunk James will go on a murderous rampage

@Artimage84 6 жыл бұрын

Love your guys' reference to ShadowRun with your multinational corporations. And your Wargames reference.

@forfreedomssake4315 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating to learn about the history of sci-fi

@DrawnByDandy 6 жыл бұрын

I'm really enjoying this series

@geraldgrenier8132 6 жыл бұрын

Please note Gibson got the _Future History_ from Heinlein

@ReginaFera 6 жыл бұрын

Heinlein was the first place I saw the term, too.

@merrittanimation7721 6 жыл бұрын

What's that? I've only read Starship Troopers, Stranger in a Strange Land, Starman Jones, and Farnham's Freehold and I don't know if they're related.

@DjornNorthfield 6 жыл бұрын

I really hope they do not eschew Heinlein for political reasons. TANSTAAFL

@christianwright5874 6 жыл бұрын

Joseph Rogers Acronym is for There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

@christianwright5874 6 жыл бұрын

Merritt Animation Basically, most of his magazine stories were part of a shared timeline.

@Frostmute19 6 жыл бұрын

Having met the man, William Gibson is a fantastic guy and great to listen to.

@Blackdragon1686 6 жыл бұрын

Great art in this one as usual!

@sandmaneyes 6 жыл бұрын

Seeing a lot of future in this series! Maybe an "Extra Fantasy" would be needed to cover the atmosphere of Lovecraft. Or better yet, stay Sci-Fi and do P. K. Dick's psychadelic twists of technology and humanity playing themselves.

@crunchbuttsteak8741 6 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see you guys talk about John Brunner at some point. His Novels "Stand on Zanzibar" and "The Sheep Look Up" inspired Gibson in so many ways and in my estimation he is one of the unsung greats of science fiction

@bigbigmurphy 6 жыл бұрын

I saw what you did with Portals on the Moon.

@TreetopCanopy 6 жыл бұрын

Love this series

@felixmortem1177 5 жыл бұрын

Neil Stephenson founded the modem Steampunk movement with his book: "The Diamond Age: Or, A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer"

@DarthFlauschi 6 жыл бұрын

Please don't stop doing this. But I miss a sidenote to Roddenberrys Star Trek.... But I would love to learn more what happen between Frankenstein and Gibbson

@FlyingDominion 6 жыл бұрын

6:15 I see that it says heck and hecknomancer in a few spots there. Nice touch.

@josh7783 6 жыл бұрын

I like that wolfenstein 3D refference at 5:10 great video!

@theemperorofmemekind4777 6 жыл бұрын

As much as I am enjoying this series, I certainly hope that they cover Frank Herbert and Isaac Asimov and all the wonderful contributions to science fiction they made in a future episode. I'm personally going through the Dune series again for the first time since high school. Anyways, keep up the good work!

@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel 5 жыл бұрын

I love your artist to bringing Shadowrun into the mix

@xenokrypticoatl959 6 жыл бұрын

This series is going to make me get a bunch of sci fi books even though I probably won't have the time to read all of them.

@kalythgaming 6 жыл бұрын

"... with style!" - loved it!

@mjgeorgeproductions5094 6 жыл бұрын

Great as always. Hopefully you'll get to Roadside Picnic/Stalker at some point.

@tristan6052 6 жыл бұрын

love this new series

@dynamobeard 6 жыл бұрын

After seeing how well this series is going already, I really hope you'll explore Philip K. Dick and his works.

@Keiranful 6 жыл бұрын

Could you do a series on the Heinlein, Assimov and Clarke? They did after all pull sci fi out of the pulp genre into more mainstream printed books. I'd love to see that, as I grew up reading them.

@pliniomelo6295 6 жыл бұрын

Do one for Douglas Addams

@rostislavsvoboda7013 6 жыл бұрын

He did: 1:47

@Laeiryn 5 жыл бұрын

OML please do one on Burroughs. Especially if you have time for a nod to Naked Lunch, too. That was... .... An experience.

@norgard57 6 жыл бұрын

As a reader that started in the 80’s; my evolution went from Isaac Asimov, to Larry Niven, to David Brin, and then Gibson.... which are pretty much the father’s of the genera in their successive generations/decades, since WWII; and each deserving of at least an episode... one could probable start a whole channel just on Asimov’s writings, both fiction and non-fiction, but that’s another story all together...

@stevepittman3770 6 жыл бұрын

I didn't really start getting into scifi until the 90s. In the 80s about all I read was some random Heinlein, but once I hit upon Gibson and Stephenson I was hooked. I was like, 'Oh, so this is the thing that was missing in all that fantasy I read and mostly hated.'

@wilcoxchar 6 жыл бұрын

Another interesting thing about Gibson is that he defined the conventions of not just cyberpunk but steampunk too with the novel The Difference Engine that he wrote with Bruce Sterling in 1990. Gibson and Sterling essentially copy pasted the cyberpunk themes into the 1850s in an alternate history where Babbage continues the development of the difference and analytical engines and Britain becomes a technocratic state ruled by people like Byron, Darwin, and Brunel. It even replicates the rising powerhouse of Japan as a theme since the story takes place right around the opening of trade between Japan, but using elements of historical Japonisme.

@jonathanpayne858 6 жыл бұрын

Only 11 seconds into the episode. If I can't get a cyberpunk snek shirt for Christmas, I will cry.

@tomrutter1637 6 жыл бұрын

Stanislaw Lem gets no love for his original, thought provoking works. Eschewing the woosh and zap of science fantasy. He hearkened to ask why. Science wasn't just stageprop to be interchanged with other genres "a cowboy story BUT IN SPACE" but used to ask questions about ourselves.

@AndDiracisHisProphet 6 жыл бұрын

YES YES YES! Lem is probably the most underappreciated SF writer of them all.

@elchsohn7943 6 жыл бұрын

You're right. Lem always was the most creative but still most philosophical SciFi-author I knew. I consider Solaris as one of the best books of all time, but his other works (especially Fiasco and Memoirs, found in a bathtub) are just great pieces of literature as well. Stanisław Lem just should be in the SciFi-"canon" of every interested SciFi-reader!