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@Kayume7 жыл бұрын
It's such a tiny detail, but as an intersex person, your decision to say "all sexes" rather than "both sexes" was a subtle but painfully rare nod to my existence, and I am very grateful for that. Overall, another great instance of Summer of Shakespeare, and a delightful introductory exploration of queer theory and Shakespeare. Thank you very much!!
@TheNN7 жыл бұрын
Kyle: "You're hot. Sorry about the penis." That needs to be a clip/reply video by itself.
@maetooey58346 жыл бұрын
(7:29-8:40) Your discussion of Twelfth Night reminded me of this production I saw back in high school, performed by a “vaudevillian Shakespeare” company. The cast was made up of five actors - three men and two women - and each member portrayed at least two characters, signified by changing their hat or wig. So the actress playing Viola/Cesario also played her twin. As Viola, she wore a tutu over pants and suspenders; when she was Cesario, she wore a newsboy cap, and as Sebastian she wore a bowler. The play ended with her throwing away both hats, Orsino and Olivia coming up on either side of her to kiss her cheeks, and three of them left the stage together linking arms. It was adorable!
@AMoniqueOcampo7 жыл бұрын
57 academics just punched the air.
@brennabrodbeck51836 жыл бұрын
Monique Ocampo you are awesome
@thehopeofeden5976 жыл бұрын
And now 57 have liked your comment
@sashawallace19167 жыл бұрын
I never knew how much I wanted to have you two collab. This will be informative and gay, my favourite combination.
@bluejeanserenade7 жыл бұрын
I wanted to post this exact same comment. This is one of those perfect moments when something you never knew you needed in your life happens and it makes your soul sing with rainbows.
@sashawallace19167 жыл бұрын
bluejeanserenade glad we think alike.
@rpcvliz7 жыл бұрын
I was going to post the same comment too! Excellent analysis though I'm bummed that Shakespeare Month is short this year.
@rashionalism7 жыл бұрын
I thought they had already done something like this before. It felt supernatural
@ThatManinWhite7 жыл бұрын
Sasha Wallace ...still needs more gay! (Sorry couldn't resist)
@Chlo2556 жыл бұрын
Surprised y’all didn’t bring up Antonio and Sebastian from Twelfth Night...my teacher (who’s a Shakespearean scholar) said he believes they were bangin’
@MazHem6 жыл бұрын
Both Antonios are gay but have their men leave them
@jennakastigar21696 жыл бұрын
Truuuuu
@abigailcockbane86407 жыл бұрын
I was lucky enough to see Emma Rice's A Midsummer Night's Dream, at Shakespeare's Globe last year, Helena had been made into Helenus to create a very effective coming out story for Demetrius. Also, you might be interested to know that in Peter Ackroyd's Queer City, he says Elizabethan theatres where well known pickup spots for gay sex.
@thehopeofeden5974 жыл бұрын
“I’m happy to say that I’m-“ Wait wait wait.... was Kyle about to come out as bi before Rantasmo cut him off???
@JorWat257 жыл бұрын
According to the OED, the earliest known use of 'fairy' meaning homosexual is from 1895. So it seems you're right. From American Journal of Psychology: "This coincides with what is known of the peculiar societies of inverts. Coffee-clatches, where the members dress themselves with aprons, etc., and knit, gossip and crotchet; balls, where men adopt the ladies' evening dress, are well known in Europe. ‘The Fairies’ of New York are said to be a similar secret organization." www.jstor.org/stable/1411581?seq=64
@miriamquintana7557 жыл бұрын
I WAS THE ONE WHO REQUESTED THIS ON TWITTER :D:D!! I CAN"T BELIEVE THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED!!
@samuellightwing54677 жыл бұрын
We are forever in your debt. In futures bright we shall remember this event, the Conjunction of the Beards.
@rpcvliz7 жыл бұрын
The Beards analyzed the Bard! Love it :-)
@sashawallace19167 жыл бұрын
Miriam Quintana i thank you with every fiber of my soul.
@MichaelJenkins9107 жыл бұрын
Back in high school, I drafted a play called "Romeo and Julio". Romeo discovering his bisexuality with his new love, Julio. The families get along just fine; they just can't handle their kids' sexuality.
@Erika-gn1tv7 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting twist on it.
@MichaelJenkins9107 жыл бұрын
It feels so very mid-90s when I look back on it now, but thank you.
@HxH2011DRA7 жыл бұрын
Interesting!
@Broadwaychica7 жыл бұрын
Michael Jenkins That could be a good thing though. If you ever wanted to revive the idea, you could make it a period piece now. It's a neat idea, with how RARE bisexual boys still are in media, the potential for a cross cultural relationship (going off the name Julio), AND the twist on the formula with feuding families not being the main issue...sorry, I'm not trying to pressure, I hope it doesn't come off as that. I just got excited about the idea, don't mind me.
@abbyrose94086 жыл бұрын
I mean its a musical and it takes the “kids me kate” approach but uh, Bare a pop opera exists and that sounds pretty dang similar.
@evanlinden44104 жыл бұрын
Anyone else watching this after Kyle came out as bi?
@pompe2215 жыл бұрын
And just to add fuel to the fire, let's not forget the royalty for whom the plays were written. A snide little Latin saying from Shakespeare's lifetime translates to "Elizabeth was our king; now James is our queen."
@Sebastian_Niedermeier7 жыл бұрын
Good timing, we just legalized same sex marriage in Germany. Greetings 🤗
@godzillasaurbuttersworth31767 жыл бұрын
Sebastian Niedermeier congratulations!! 🏳️🌈👭
@thebibagelguy61757 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! *=)*
@alextromagnetic7 жыл бұрын
Shame Merkel voted against it
@autumntaylor25337 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! we're so happy for you!
@tatehildyard53325 ай бұрын
@@gregorsamsa9264(Laughing but crying on the inside)
@NewtAfterDark7 жыл бұрын
An absolutely wonderful video to end Pride Month on! And you uploaded this on the day we FINALLY got marriage equality in Germany! :D ❤ 🏳️🌈 Double perfect timing, good sir!
Viele Glückwünsche mate...I apologise for the Google Translate if it wasn't a good one...
@jessielefey7 жыл бұрын
drudenstein_ Congrats! I just woke up so you broke the news for me. ⚢⚣💓
@jordangreen92017 жыл бұрын
drudenstein_ Congratulations!!
@masonallen39617 жыл бұрын
Congratulations
@EllieC1307 жыл бұрын
I love Twelfth Night and have no issue with Orsino and Viola ending up together but I've always thought Olivia's cop out romance with some dude she technically doesn't care about was such an insult to a character who really wasn't that much of an idiot that all she cared about was looks. If anything Olivia should have got to be independent.
@allisonhaeger30396 жыл бұрын
I'm currently in a Shakespeare class and I made the case that Hotspur was like Frederick the Great; genius military leader but gay. When I was reading the scene between him and his wife I could see him blocking her with pieces of furniture and grudgingly agreeing to perform his dynastic duty.
@PassTheMarmalade19577 жыл бұрын
This is why Shakespeare is so awesome. I've seen Shakespeare adaptations encompassing all sorts of people, places, traditions, themes, situations (as Kyle's Shakespeare Months have so often shown.) It seems like Shakespeare can literally be for anyone. The plots are the same, but the context can be changed to resonate with any audience.
@scaper87 жыл бұрын
Lady Marmalade "He was not of an age, but for all time" and, as the video pointed out, he "invented the human." There is very good reason those two lines are so, so true.
@MarquisSmith7 жыл бұрын
When two of my favourite KZfaq channels combine... I am Captain Planet? Look, forget that. Rantasmo and Kyle have done a video together. Today is a good day.
@arklestudios7 жыл бұрын
Now I want to see fan art of the Chez crew drawn as Power Rangers with a Chez Apocalypse Megazord (whatever that would look like).
@googamp327 жыл бұрын
Well, Rantasmo is fire and Kyle is wind, so we still need water, earth and heart.
@eliburry-schnepp60125 жыл бұрын
8:44 Also, Ganymede is LITERALLY the most queer-coded name possible (well, except Sappho, I guess), given its mythological significance
@Strawberry92fs7 жыл бұрын
"Has existed for always" has to be one of my new favourite phrases, Thank you Kyle and Rantasmo. Also great idea for a crossover. LOVE IT.
@gateauxq46045 жыл бұрын
I just rewatched the beginning 5 times cuz everything needs more gay crossovers and Rantasmo’s 8D is the best thing on KZfaq. Please do more!
@BrorealeK7 жыл бұрын
You're missing a huge example of genderfluidity in this video, I was honestly surprised it wasn't included: Richard II! Richard's "womanliness" is constantly contrasted with Henry Bolingbroke's "manliness." An interesting addition to this is how Richard is very openly affectionate to his wife, proving that as of the 1590s gender expression =/= sexuality as we see it stereotyped today. Then of course there are Richard's "favorites" and his spectacular breakdown during the deposition scene. I really wish there was a copy of Fiona Shaw's Richard II could watch...
@barnabop49827 жыл бұрын
omg my two favorite internet guys together...is this the real like or is this just fantassyyyyy
@KyrstOak6 жыл бұрын
Just fantasy, my dude... A fantasy everyone can see and share in. :P JK.
@geebatman7 жыл бұрын
The BBC and the RSC did queer adaptations of The Merchant of Venice in which Antonio was most definitely gay and Bassanio was hella bi. They were great! 👌❤
@kathrynmiller42407 жыл бұрын
Ah excellent and great timing - I saw Twelfth Night at Globe this week. It was played broad and silly with little room for overt examination of gender and sexuality but given the production is led by Le Gateau Chocolat as a bearded sequinned-kaftan-wearing Feste and the company is the habitually cross-casting Kneehigh, it observes that last point of implicitly playing with gender and sexuality. Great to see two of my fave video essayists team up, hope you do again!
@Markstubation017 жыл бұрын
Shakespeare just created every single storyline for soap operas.
@ariellakahan-harth88317 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for this for ages! Thank you so much for making this!
@CTKaraokeQueen7 жыл бұрын
This was absolutely delightful! Thank you so much for this lovely collaboration :) A fantastic collaboration from two equally fantastic content creators
@lunamalfoy77 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting my entire life for this video!
@autumntaylor25337 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of when we went to see Twelfth Night at the Globe in London (featuring 70s punk music and a benevolent drag queen. ) My parents hated it, but I actually found it pretty entertaining
@theleagueofsupermushrooms53237 жыл бұрын
Did anyone see Twelfth Night at the Manchester Royal Exchange Theater? Because their version was absolutely amazing. They definitely ran with the queer interpretation, Violas face when she finds out they are twins is just perfect. Also the actors were flippin amazing ^_^
@sheepperson87397 жыл бұрын
To say that Viola is, essentially, a trans man because she is a woman in disguise is... a complete misinterpretation of what being trans is and falls under ye olde "Transgender People Here To Trick The Cis Straights..." trope. Was a bit odd to see such out-dated notions in an otherwise rather informed vid. Other than that, great video!
@BlueSun_6 жыл бұрын
Is the "turned asexual" really that bad? If someone for some reason stops having interest in sex or sexual attraction of any kind are they not functionally asexual? If it’s used as simply a colloquial way of saying he lost all interest in sex is it that bad? If we can acknowledge fluidity in sexuality why not asexuality?
@Nortarachanges5 жыл бұрын
joaov2, I don’t know. I’m certainly not an expert. It’s probably more a knee jerk reaction by people like me who are over tired of people assuming asexuality is something we “grow out of” or will one day “change from.” My lack of sexual desire now is not valid because one day I will have those desires. So better get a guy to flirt with me now to just hurry it along. *shrugs* But I’ve also met people who don’t really seem to have sexual desire anymore despite once having it, so I don’t know what you’d call that
@pompom_asmr7 жыл бұрын
i saw this video in my recommendations; one look at the title and i knew i had to watch it! freshly subscribed, thank you for your work!
@JBabyLeather7 жыл бұрын
So much to think about from two awesome reviewers. Thank you.
@kinuuni7 жыл бұрын
This was too short, I could have watched this for hours!
@gabsgoo77167 жыл бұрын
12 minutes of Rantasmo oh yes
@maugos7 жыл бұрын
I never even realized I wanted you two to colab, but here it s and I am sooooooo happy.
@TheDoctologist7 жыл бұрын
Quite interesting and fun to watch. Bonus points for clips from Were the World Mine. Well done!
@franinconverse5 жыл бұрын
A whole video on LGBT & Shakespeare and not one mention of Mercutio!
@itsjuanpacheco7 жыл бұрын
You know how long I wished for this video?!?! You deserve an award!!
@NordRonnoc7 жыл бұрын
No... he should have *all* the Oscars!
@hannahmoran21497 жыл бұрын
*pew*
@MedusasOwl7 жыл бұрын
Two of my favorite reviewers, I love it!
@musiclover01ization7 жыл бұрын
I really liked this video. Good job, you two.
@AspelShuyin7 жыл бұрын
I've always found the genderbending characters interesting because even normal women crossdressing was men playing women pretending to be men.
@Hakajin7 жыл бұрын
Interesting! When we talked about The Merchant of Venice in my Race in Shakespeare class, we did talk about how much Antonio goes on about how much he loves Basanio and would do anything for him. Also, how the men are closer to each other than to the women... and the same pattern holds true for the women. As for the sonnets... In the one you read, yeah, that does sound very much like it's not just platonic love. I mean, in a lot of early English poetry, you do see that, where love for your warlord and brothers in arms is considered the ultimate love. It's not sexual, but it is couched in terms that we consider romantic today. Tolkein used this in Lord of the Rings, which is why so many get the impression that Sam is gay for Frodo. But here... I mean, Shakespeare compares the youth to a woman, and a woman's attractiveness is emphacized. "By addition me of thee defeated," pretty obviously means, nature gave you something extra that makes it so I can't have you. "By adding one thing to my purpose nothing," is especially interesting, since... Not only was "thing" slang for penis, as it is today, "nothing" was slang for vagina. But then with "But since she pricked thee out for women's pleasure/mine be thy love and thy love's use their treasure," you see that, though he loves him like a woman, he's not going to have sex with him (nice double entendre on the word "prick" there). So it's a romantic but sexless love. I think it's pretty clear that this love is presented as abberant, because otherwise... If it were similar to the platonic love between men held up by early English poetry, why would Shakespeare be comparing the youth to a woman? Why would he be so preoccupied with genitalia?
@athenachen77707 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking yesterday that you should make a video about this and you did not disappoint
@JulianGreystoke7 жыл бұрын
I couldn't click on this fast enough! When I played Rosalind back in my acting days I decided she was bi because, damn. ;)
@saraha25187 жыл бұрын
oh rantasmo made another video...wait that's Kyle...and their doing Shakespeare...YES! Three of my favourite film review/study things in one
@Rocketboy13137 жыл бұрын
I have been watching my way thru Rantasmo's playlist this last week. Strange coincidence.
@jordangreen92017 жыл бұрын
stay awsome you two!! can't wait for the next crossover!
@jacobgaldo13626 жыл бұрын
I'm like a year late but "As You Like It" has some undertones with Orlando falling for Rosalinda as a woman and as Ganymede
@oniondust7 жыл бұрын
I was so charmed by the opening of this video
@grumpyginger997 жыл бұрын
Though weren't most of the female roles in the period played by teenage boys rather than men, Which would cast a bit of a different light. Another relevant detail which I'm sure plenty of scholars would have mentioned would have been the possible influence of Italian culture at the time which in certain city states like Florence homoerotic relationships were quite common if not an accepted norm socially if not legally and religiously.
@ingonyama706 жыл бұрын
Through that lens, the culture takes on a less queer one and more of an ancient Greek "pederastic" tone. Though the influence on Italian culture in Shakespeare's plays is inarguable. How many of his stories take place in then-contemporary Italy or ancient Rome?
@HxH2011DRA7 жыл бұрын
Congrats to Germany
@eelproficiency7 жыл бұрын
great video guys! i recently saw a performance of two gentlemen of verona, and based on some spiffy staging decisions, portrayed Silvia and Julia falling in love and running off to live together at the end. it was an all-around great performance, but that ending was nothing short of perfect!
@OmegaSoypreme7 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! That's how you do a crossover!
@fandomdomination30717 жыл бұрын
Thanks now I don't have to research the internet hell for my essay! ; )
@wolter1927 жыл бұрын
lookong at the title I'm going: "fabulous!"
@handsomebrick6 жыл бұрын
Antony & Cleopatra deserves special mention, every aspect of the play is dominated by sexuality and gender. It's a really intense play, but also really good.
@Mrbertiification7 жыл бұрын
Accidentally great timing despite the planend one, Germany finally just passed an equal marriage act after having an unequal marriage option since 2007 due to consservative resistance in the secound chamber.
@TindraSan7 жыл бұрын
it feels weird to hear that club-ish music and see kyle on the screen. I associate you with more classic stuff, because that's what you usually have playing in the background XD
@emilygingrich97237 жыл бұрын
If it interests you, the TV Danish / BBC co-poduction "Hamlet at Elsinore" (1964) features one of the most overt homoromantic interpretations of Hamlet and Horatio's relationship I've ever seen, and it was intentional according to Horatio's Michael Cain.
@FearlessSon7 жыл бұрын
Two of my favorite video pop-culture analysts doing a crossover? Oh hell yes! This was everything I hoped. :D
@rheaanthea7 жыл бұрын
My two review fixations for the summer crossing over? with fucking impressive conversational editing????? dope
@fallingintime6 жыл бұрын
haven't watched kyle in a while. He's beard looks so awesome here
And now I have to look up all the movies used in this vid
@meggaluardi18837 жыл бұрын
YESSSSSS THANK YOU
@doriandawesplays7 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy you used the Were the World Mine soundtrack. Not a perfect film, but certainly underrated.
@Calpsotoma7 жыл бұрын
Crossover!
@theeblakester0027 жыл бұрын
as usual, awesome
@catherinehorowitz39307 жыл бұрын
okay but the relationships in twelfth night are anything but completely straight. the central romance makes absolutely no sense if orsino isn't bi. he and cesario clearly have a lot of affection for each other anyway, and as soon as orsino finds out that “cesario” is actually female he immediately wants to marry her. but if this love story is supposed to be believable and developed, if orsino actually loves viola, he would have had to have loved cesario too. even if he wasn’t completely aware of this, the point still stands that as soon as his love for viola becomes socially acceptable, his first course of action is to start an actual relationship with her. also there's antonio who's not even coded he's just gay
@scrambled59485 жыл бұрын
Sonnet 20 is some serious call me by your name stuff
@clairefraser6897 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite videos of both of you. And its very fitting that it came out today, since Germany (the country I live in) has just passed a law to open marriage to same sex couples. Happy Pride!
@SINIESTRA7 жыл бұрын
I want to like this more! I love it! And I'm going to watch it again and again
@paulocone19637 жыл бұрын
I think the most gay relationship in the canon is the one between Achilles and Patroclus in Troilus & Cressida. It is still ambiguous (as is any discussion of homosexuality in the canon), but their relationship is very affectionate.
@Broadwaychica7 жыл бұрын
...the minute I saw this on my subscription feed, I squealed lile when Rantasmo found out The Comeback was being revived AND JUST THE OPENING WITH KYLE'S GLORIOUS EYEBROWS AND JAMIE'S EXPECTANT SMILE FULFILLED MY EXPECTATIONS. IT'S A PRIDE MONTH MIRACLE.
@Broadwaychica7 жыл бұрын
Also I love how half the comments here are about interpretations that were "missed". Guys, there are SO MANY queer interpretations of Shakespeare they'd need to make a whole documentary to cover even half of them.......not that I'd be opposed to that...Patreon goal?
@Foxpawed7 жыл бұрын
Why do I find Rantasmo's oddly calico beard so hypnotizing? :Y
@idraote3 жыл бұрын
So, a male actor played the role of a woman whose twin brother is dead. That woman, impersonated by a male actor, impersonates a male servant who is courted by a male duke who believe her to be a man and end by marrying her as a woman. ooo-keyyy
@RothurThePaladin7 жыл бұрын
CROSS OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, it's awesome to see two of my Fav content creators working together.
@RaisouE7 жыл бұрын
Beautiful.
@Jaytheradical7 жыл бұрын
Rantasmo looks like Jay from Marble Hornets after being lost at sea for a few years.
@StarUnreachable7 жыл бұрын
Of course the really, REALLY gay character in Twelfth Night is Antonio. I mean, besides the obvious sexual puns ("I could not stay behind you: my desire, /More sharp than filed steel, did spur me forth"), there's a lot to support the idea that he's in (possibly unrequited) love for Sebastian. "This youth that you see here/I snatch'd one half out of the jaws of death,/Relieved him with such sanctity of love,/And to his image, which methought did promise/Most venerable worth, did I devotion." I once saw a production that not only made the subtext between them incredibly obvious, but ended with the happy couples walking off and leaving Antonio (still imprisoned because of his past deeds) alone. It was so well-acted that my friends and I were actually SAD at the end.
@colmustard427 жыл бұрын
Kyle, you have been the driving force behind my interest in Shakespeare after high school, considering my English teacher was shit at explaining his plays
@emmajochum86827 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for "Were the World Mine" I really hope you do a full review of it sometime...either of you
@Seinneam7 жыл бұрын
Great video, both of you. :) Have you ever thought of reviewing Erleuchtung Garantiert?
@yewles17 жыл бұрын
You have one last Kurosawa directed Shakespeare film to cover. We await it, next year...
@OfficialKiotakuAC4 жыл бұрын
I MISS YOU BOTH!!!!
@jennakastigar21696 жыл бұрын
Also, can we talk about Ariel being neither male nor female?
@dylanchouinard61415 жыл бұрын
Did Ariel speak in Troque too?
@representationmetaphorique7 жыл бұрын
YES!
@MiniNymph7 жыл бұрын
It's my understanding that the play Troilus and Cressida even had canonically gay characters in Achilles and Patroclus. While historically, the legends are a bit iffy, Shakespeare's take seems more clear. And by clear I mean gay.
@thevampirefrog067 жыл бұрын
I know bedmates were a thing back then, at least among women, and that it was often platonic/familial (see: Beatrice & Hero in Much Ado), but it also seems like one of those things that uptight academics insist was TOTALLY 100% straight 200 years later. Does anyone have any information on whether it was ever acknowledged to be potentially romantic/sexual back then, or whether or not later academics tried to scrub the queerness out of it?
@SamAronow7 жыл бұрын
Of course this is the video that comes out after I watch The Goodbye Girl. Of course.
@KyleKallgrenBHH7 жыл бұрын
+Sam Huddy The original script we had included us dissing The Goodbye Girl. I cut it because I couldn't find a usable clip. Plus I'm fine with fewer people knowing about The Goodbye Girl.
@SamAronow7 жыл бұрын
Aw, I liked it. It's no Odd Couple, and it didn't make my top 10 of 1977, but it made my top 20. Also, I think you used a clip in your Richard III video.
@markdalbright5 жыл бұрын
Just saw Glenda Jackson in King Lear. By no means am I a Shakespearean scholar, but I was thinking about this subject after seeing the production. Your analysis was very educational and entertaining.
@Dimensioneer885 жыл бұрын
Would love to see you two talk about RENT.
@Demolitiondude7 жыл бұрын
still want to see a between the lines about magick. please go all out too.
@WordsFlowMagnetic7 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised people try to see Shakespeare and his work as 100 per cent gay. Even as a little girl, and without knowing anything about gay people, I knew that Antonio had more than just friendly affection for Sebastian in Twelfth Night. And ever since then I've read Shakespeare with the lens thay while it wasn't DEFINITELY gay, the possibility was there
@DwRockett7 жыл бұрын
0:17 Whaaa, no video on Julius Caesar, and possibly the history of putting modern figures in Shakespeare plays? But right now those two things are pretty relevant and worth discussing
@KyleKallgrenBHH7 жыл бұрын
+DwRockett Patience...
@Foxpawed7 жыл бұрын
It seems all too likely that we'll have another three seasons of shakespeare to draw connections against an angry cheeto man. And even if we don't, ain't no reason not to do it anyways.
@jamieriley94107 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!!! I love this. Will you being another crossover soon?