Victron Phoenix 1200VA LF Inverter: Extremely Low Standby Consumption and More!

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DIY Solar Power with Will Prowse

DIY Solar Power with Will Prowse

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0:00 Main Features and Use Case
3:32 Device Overview
4:16 Idle Consumption Measurement
5:32 Idle Comparison for 48V System
6:21 Air Conditioner Test
8:18 Bluetooth Connection and Settings
11:01 Conclusion
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@WillProwse
@WillProwse Жыл бұрын
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@sungoldpowerofficial
@sungoldpowerofficial Жыл бұрын
the video is so perfect !
@P_RO_
@P_RO_ Жыл бұрын
Glad to see you testing Victron. Ain't cheap but lots of people like Victron!
@wildness01
@wildness01 Жыл бұрын
The one other thing I wish you had tested on this (and other) inverters is how well the eco mode works. Ie will an led light bulb activate it? Will it run a refrigerator? Etc. Most inverters I've used fail both of these tests. Which makes the eco mode useless imo.
@Lordlindef
@Lordlindef Жыл бұрын
Great video. U rocking lithium and all off grid systems man. Have seen all your videos and gonne see all video from u in future for all time buddy. Ur the best for us all
@TBButcher
@TBButcher Жыл бұрын
Hey Will, do you know how long the inverters can handle peak surge? I contacted victron and they were very rude and wouldn't answer my question.
@johnnixon1026
@johnnixon1026 Жыл бұрын
for a man who claims to be burned out, you still show more enthusiasm then any other person in your arena... thank you for continuing to educate us...
@TheVeganTravelShow
@TheVeganTravelShow Жыл бұрын
Glad to see you covering a product I’m familiar with here in Australia. I have always been very happy with Victron Energy products in my standalone solar van builds. I have used this in my most recent builds, they are great!
@McTroyd
@McTroyd Жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about building a small system for a shed to power some light-duty tools. I now think I have found the inverter I want to use. Thanks Will!!
@robertunger5788
@robertunger5788 Жыл бұрын
I love my Victron equipment, the stuff is solid and just works.
@TheDigitalMermaid
@TheDigitalMermaid Жыл бұрын
When I was considering buying my system, a friend told me about Victron; "It'll cost ya, but it'll out-last ya".
@HansKeesom
@HansKeesom Жыл бұрын
@@TheDigitalMermaid Peace of mind and Return on Ownership
@sailinglatis
@sailinglatis Жыл бұрын
Great to hear your review. I have the 800 for a small sump pump. I felt I had to have a product that was proven for reliability. Your review is the icing on the cake. I use the victron smart shunt on my boat and love it too. A little more money but I think both have the support and longevity of victron to make it worth it.
@JonMarinello
@JonMarinello Жыл бұрын
Victron is simply the best manufacturer of all this kind of equipment there is on earth. I just love their stuff and their support.
@randybobandy9828
@randybobandy9828 Жыл бұрын
Ya and they charge alot for being the best. That's the way it goes. It's always best to find the product that is the best that isn't too expensive. There is a point of diminishing returns.
@markarca6360
@markarca6360 Жыл бұрын
When it comes to off-grid, Victron is the name you can trust!
@KEAWE7
@KEAWE7 Жыл бұрын
Will, your excitement is contagious!
@robbehr8806
@robbehr8806 Жыл бұрын
Cool! I live in Arizona, where we get a lot of sun and daylight is reasonably consistent. Here, people are becoming very interested in daytime boost cooling systems, such as a ductless mini-split which connects directly to the chain of solar panels through to an inverter, without a battery. The idea is the boost system saves money and also works as an independent off-grid backup. I'd like to see a video on systems that require little or no battery to start up and function.
@charlesgwinn9832
@charlesgwinn9832 Жыл бұрын
You need an adequate ATS automatic transfer switch. Review his vid on the MOES ATS. He tests it on some low power devices like laptop etc . That got me to thinking along your same idea. It'd make sense to run air conditioner unit(s) directly from solar panels via a voltage converter plus power inverter. Then tie it into an ATS such that solar is your PRIMARY source and GRID is your SECONDARY(for when low sunlight,clouds,etc.) Provided you have a capable power converter(smaller ones don't like heavy loads) then it should work. It would start off using GRID to get past the inrush current(which may overwhelm the panels alone) or maybe suck from batteries initially, then,once the wattage stabilizes at typical 500 to 550 watts,switch to solar only. Soon I may afford the components to test this although it'd be nice if Will did it first. With ever rising electricity costs, 5 to 10panels could be maximized daily to save money
@260Xander
@260Xander Жыл бұрын
I think you'll basically need SOME sort of super small battery in between. But yes that's doable on the cheap
@pyronmasters
@pyronmasters Жыл бұрын
Will, greetings from PR, thanks for every video, I finished installing my system just before Hurricane Fiona hit, it’s still holding (No power since Sep 17) I think your best videos are the “Solar Beginner” in your RV, and the mini generator guide. Some family members got the mini generators with the panels for charging phones and a couple os usb powered fans. In case anyone wants to know, my 5,400w Solar panel setup produced about 1.2kwh during the storm, 3.9kwh the next day (heavy rain all day), Monday climbed to 10.5kwh (little rain very cloudy, yesterday 14.3kwh. Again thanks for everything (You AND Hobotech)
@chrismiller8893
@chrismiller8893 Жыл бұрын
I’d done a lot of other research on a good RV inverter but it wasn’t til I saw your video that I knew that the Victron Phoenix 12/500 was the right one for me. Thanks for the video, it’s a great inverter that I’m super happy with, especially the low idle draw in eco mode. Thanks Will!
@webluke
@webluke Жыл бұрын
This is a great video showing an option for critical loads like a fridge, lights, and internet. Your bigger stuff you can run off a bigger inverter that could be controlled to come on when the sun comes up. This could save you on panels but also battery size too, saving even more money.
@mdude7778
@mdude7778 Жыл бұрын
Will, you described my setup precisely. I bought a 4kw SungoldPower inverter for my well pump and a 1200VA Phoenix to run a couple fans and lights at night. Also bought another Phoenix for the barn. Still in boxes though. Now I need to hook it all up. Thank you for all your hard work in putting these vids together. You are a Titan!
@SnifferSock
@SnifferSock Жыл бұрын
Do you divide stuff between low power and high power? Or is there a way to setup the inverters where the big one will kick in automatically?
@mdude7778
@mdude7778 Жыл бұрын
@@SnifferSock Nothing automatic. The plan is to separate the circuits for low and high power inverters. Not sure yet how eco mode on the SungoldPower will play with a well pump. Will probably manually shut it off each night since it has remote control.
@john0270
@john0270 Жыл бұрын
Well if your running a victron multiplus you can have it setup where this unit can feed into the multiplus, and pass through. Then when your load increases past your programed value(say 7amps) then the multiplus fires up and starts assisting.
@Bluntask
@Bluntask Жыл бұрын
So by combining a multiplus2 and an inverter can increase overall wattage past the multiplus’ 3k cap? Or run separate loads to it and then the rest to the multiplus2?
@paulutd69
@paulutd69 Жыл бұрын
I'm new to this... I do not have any solar yet but hope to in the future.... These videos are helping me to grasp some concepts. Thank you.
@mikefranks4528
@mikefranks4528 Жыл бұрын
Will, you hooked me up once again, my friend. I was so, so much on the EG4 train and was geekin' out to it that so much that I got tunnel vision and pulled the trigger to buy the EG4 setup. BUT now that I see the ultra-amazing efficiency of this setup (Phoenix 1200-small loads / (2) Multiplus IIs in split-phase - powering my 240v - 38 SEER mini-split and Cinderella Comfort toilet), my efficiency all-around will be well worth the cost of these expensive but ultra-efficient Victrons. I am so glad I watch your YT videos, sir.
@chuckzechman1497
@chuckzechman1497 Жыл бұрын
Great concept. I'm a fan of Victron products, but currently I only have two of their charge controllers running my garage/shop/mancave via a three 12 v battery system for lighting and and a six 12 v battery system thru a 3,000 watt Renergy pure sin wave inverter . Enjoy your videos, keep up the great content!
@Nic7320
@Nic7320 Жыл бұрын
My first Victron purchase was a 24V, 1200W inverter. I bought it primarily because of the low standby power and it was a perfect fit for a 6S Li-Ion (NMC) Tesla battery module. Now I have 15 Victron devices and I'm convinced Victron is best equipment out there.
@troy3456789
@troy3456789 10 ай бұрын
Can you discuss your typical loading percentages of your victron inverters (percentage of max rated load)? Have you discovered the sweet spot of efficiency?
@alrude2847
@alrude2847 Жыл бұрын
I just added this to my RV with other Victron components. With it I can run all 120V devices other than AC, microwave, and fireplace. Not the end of the world. If I wanted to run any of these would require more solar and batteries both of which may come some day, but not anytime soon. In the mean time quite happy being self contained on or off shore power.. Thanks for the review..
@Dennis-nd5em
@Dennis-nd5em Жыл бұрын
The idea of buying these vs targeted cost of battery capacity for AIO device power overhead at night is the most interesting aspect of this video to me. I plan on exploring that more to see if its worth it on my end (EG4 6500) to buy 2x Victrons for tv/media/router + fridge and shut off the 6500s at night. If anyone else has done the math on this as id love to compare. I need to justify / have ROI buying more fun stuff. Will needless to say your the man, great video.
@edcat6587
@edcat6587 Жыл бұрын
You probably only need one-these can handle a high initial surge,and most refrigerators these days are pretty efficient.
@dubas1974
@dubas1974 Жыл бұрын
I have this unit for my off grid cabin in Colorado running starlink, led lights, tv on occasion and security cameras. works great.
@k.kapper2657
@k.kapper2657 Жыл бұрын
Yes, this Inverter supplies most of my 24/7 loads of the house. I took this because the 800W version is the recommended minimum version for refrigerator. The fridge makes no problems, but when the freezer starts, I hear noise from the transformer (magnetostriction) and the function of some sensitive appliances are disturbed. TV, laptops and Desktop PCS are not disturbed but i hear the starten of the freezer from the speakers of the PC which are connected by a small Power supply.
@frankschneider7826
@frankschneider7826 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I normally not comment on YT stuff and your doing an awesome job, even I learned a lot as a EE from Germany living in TX for 15 years. To measure correctly the current for low volt consumption leave the minus cable and use a Fluke True RMS (177 or higher) between battery plus pole and inverter and use the current outlets on the Fluke.
@jimm7165
@jimm7165 Жыл бұрын
This review posted at a great time. I've had my eye on this inverter for my camper. I have other Victron equipment and wanted to be able to integrate it with the Venus OS on a Raspberry Pi. It's pricier than other inverters of the same size, but I won;t have to worry about it.
@bill2292
@bill2292 Жыл бұрын
Cool video, cool product. What we really need is a comparison video between a 48v all in one system VS a Victron system.
@jannes6694
@jannes6694 Жыл бұрын
Very nice! I have some victron components and if you are using cerbo or something like that ( i have raspberry with victron program running in it) you can access it from victron connect app -> from top corner VRM -> select your installation -> and again top corner select devices. And now you have list all of victron devices what are connected to cerbo or something similar. So no need of bluetooth in this case, all system settings can be configurated from there😀👍🏼✌🏼
@keithbrookshire
@keithbrookshire Жыл бұрын
Dang man, when you were talking about the high cost I was thinking $1,000 +. $400 isn't that bad at all. Being limited to 1,200 watts is harder to overcome than the price.
@steveguy7165
@steveguy7165 Жыл бұрын
That's almost the cost for a gallon of milk these days.
@Ranch321
@Ranch321 Жыл бұрын
@@steveguy7165 its cheaper if you consider the gallon of gas to get it.
@fishhuntadventure
@fishhuntadventure Жыл бұрын
@@Ranch321 what did you say? Did you not watch the video?
@Ranch321
@Ranch321 Жыл бұрын
@@fishhuntadventure where do you get your milk from?
@fishhuntadventure
@fishhuntadventure Жыл бұрын
@@Ranch321 cows. My point was 1200W; Will specifically mentions using it for a parallel system for continuous needs. It’s not that difficult - I’ve been over 4 years on a 1200W inverter. Even with a bigger off-grid household situation I can still see that being doable with some diversion from consumer mentality and instead doing planned usage.
@aaronkatzen5973
@aaronkatzen5973 Жыл бұрын
I just purchased this exact inverter from Victron for an off grid location that I have a couple small loads I want to power 24/7 including a mini fridge, some lights, and a couple fans for keep a shipping container vented and equipment cool. I originally got the 800VA model but upgraded to the 1200VA because I wanted to see if my 12k BTU Mr. Cool mini split would be able to run off it. Well you just proved it can. Now I’m really excited about this inverter. One thing to keep in mind is that the the Pheonix inverters are rated in VA and their actual watt ratting is lower. The 1200VA mode has a 1000 watt continuous output rating at 25 Celsius and 850 watt continuous output at 40 Celsius. The Mr. Cool pulls almost exactly 1000watts so it should be perfect. I was so excited when I saw this review from you. Thanks Will!
@edcat6587
@edcat6587 Жыл бұрын
I used to have a mini fridge,insulated it with closed cell foam insulation. Now I have a full size,(no auto defrost)that draws just about the same amount of power.i also insulated it. for the least power draw(most efficient)you can use a chest freezer with an external thermostat. I also run a regular,"garage rated"(more insulation,and will work at a wide range of external conditions) freezer,and that takes hardly any power at all......my fridge draws WAY more. Something to also be aware of with modern fridges is that many actually have "heaters" on the outside,to prevent condensation.....guess they do that cause it is cheaper than more insulation.....or the walls of the fridge/freezer can be thinner,thus more cubic feet inside compared to one with more insulation. This feature uses quite a lot of energy.....but it can be physically(electrically) disabled after you have gone past your warranty period.
@yv6eda
@yv6eda Жыл бұрын
Thanks for come back to small systems!
@thinde88
@thinde88 Жыл бұрын
One of these seem like a perfect use case for a small stand alone system in a garage powering the door opener and some lights.
@martijnheeroma5492
@martijnheeroma5492 Жыл бұрын
yes have it like that, a 800W Phoenix inverter build in my battery box for 24/7 and a 5 kW Multiplus for the heavy loads. That is the ideal off-grid setup.
@danielfuller3049
@danielfuller3049 5 ай бұрын
I just got a little one of these on marketplace for 1/2 retail 🙌👏🏻 setting up a little backup power supply, just to keep the fridges and router on. I love going to buy something and seeing that you have a review on it 👌
@javiercoronel1169
@javiercoronel1169 26 күн бұрын
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@mikebalentine
@mikebalentine Жыл бұрын
I actually purchased the phoenix 48v 5000 VA as a dedicated inverter to charge my future ev truck and it ties in so simply to the rest of my Victron system.
@freeradical431
@freeradical431 Жыл бұрын
Cotek inverters are great. I ran an SK1500 or the last 10 years with no problems. Ran my pesky fridgidare clothes washing machine great and its really sensitive. Just went lipo 24v, and Growatt! Thanks to Will!
@upnorthandpersonal
@upnorthandpersonal Жыл бұрын
That's why I have two inverters. A large 6kVA low frequency inverter for summer, with an idle consumption of 75W or so, which I don't mind in summer. For winter, I just replaced my Phoenix with a Multiplus II 3kVa which only pulls 10W idle.
@Openroadoutfitters
@Openroadoutfitters Жыл бұрын
You pretty much described my use case exactly. Thanks for validating my thinking :-). I use the Phoenix 12/500 to power the Internet connection and a couple of IP cameras in a remote cabin. The cams and the router are connected to a Kasa power strip that is programmed to turn on for a couple of hours in the morning and afternoon so those loads are not running 24x7. I like that the Phoenix can be monitored and controlled remotely. The other thing is that it's pretty snowy where the cabin is located, so it the panels were covered for an extended period and the batteries run down, I'm confident the Phoenix will restart when they're recharged. We have another inexpensive Chinese converter that we use when we're there for the daily convenience loads. It is a good, reliable setup and I really like all the Victron components.
@javiercoronel1169
@javiercoronel1169 26 күн бұрын
Chii-knezeeee😅
@andycanfixit
@andycanfixit Жыл бұрын
I've been using a 48 volt 375VA Phoenix for almost 3 years now to power overhead lights and a couple ceiling fans. That way if I need to power off my main inverters I still have lights fed directly from the batteries and it eliminates the flickering I would occasionally get with some LED bulbs running off my Growatt inverters. It's run rock solid, has low voltage disconnect and just works. They make a solid product.
@stereojos86
@stereojos86 Жыл бұрын
Hello, do you know if it is possible to connect a Victron Phoenix 48 250VA to a 13S 12Ah lithium battery?
@andycanfixit
@andycanfixit Жыл бұрын
@@stereojos86 yep, they support a voltage range of 38 to 62 volts. You can set the voltage it should shut off as the low voltage for your battery bank as long as you have the Bluetooth dongle for it.
@makesaveinccomm
@makesaveinccomm 6 ай бұрын
@@stereojos86 why only 12 Ah ? because of the space? You should have 100 Ah at least.
@adjake1
@adjake1 Жыл бұрын
I have the 800 version hooked up to a small lithium setup in my jeep that I only use for camping. I do not have much of a need for an inverter as most stuff I use is run off of 12 volt. All of my other components aside from my battery are Victron as well. I could have gone with a cheap china unit but I've used garbage in the past, and its always garbage. I wanted to know that what I have was going to just work no matter what. Ive only needed the inverter a handful of times and its been flawless. I have the remote mounted to a panel, I usually have no need to keep it on. This is a solid unit that will probably last me a lifetime. Its also nice using all Victron components so I have all relevant information on one screen in the app. While it may cost a little more up front, more than likely I will not ever have a need to replace any of the components so it will cost less in the long term. As far as the firmware updates. Victron updates the firmware pretty regularly which is a good thing. The latest update has all the important info on one screen now in the app, I've been waiting for that
@jimmybrad156
@jimmybrad156 Жыл бұрын
did you have to buy any bluetooth gizmo to get that data, or did it come as no extra cost?
@devonvankraft
@devonvankraft Жыл бұрын
I bought 3 of those refurbished.. best deal ever ❤
@russell7489
@russell7489 Жыл бұрын
As always your posts are Incredible. It's a great idea to use this to power small always on loads (or entire building) in a small off grid situation. For 'whole house' battery / PV systems, which I'm guessing 100w idle for all your equipment, just to make the math easier, it's 2.4 kw a day, and if you plan for a 3 day cloudy spell, that's 7.2 kw, or about $3,000 worth of battery and $1,000 max for additional PV panels to recharge on a sunny day, so $4,000 vs $1,000 for this inverter and a tiny bit of battery. Problem with the math is at least 1/2 the day you'd need the whole house system running, requiring $1,500 worth of battery PLUS the $1,000 of this system, putting the real cost at $2,500 vs $4,000, a $1,500 savings which on a whole house system is not a huge savings. PLUS To economize on full home systems, seems trickier. I'd imagine that one could connect this to your main circuit panel, with a breaker to keep from accidentally over loading it, so you could use existing wiring to power up small loads and use your brain to limit loads, but if you have a family, friends around, that probably isn't an option and you'd need a separate panel and wiring feeding small loads, along with 'signage' and warnings at the plugs so nothing else it added that you haven't sized the system for. Tricky one way or the other.
@tomaskey6844
@tomaskey6844 Жыл бұрын
I have this inverter and it has been working great for a year or so now. It is in constant daily use in my van. I’ve run a small Instapot on it but I needed full sunshine to do it. It is the largest 12 volt inverter I’d get. The Multiplus units are what I want to put in my motor home. I’ve got the Cerbo GX and the display along with the cellular comm device but I can’t figure out how to configure all of it. I have the Lynx distribution system and love it but still don’t have the BMV set up right. I’m a bit autistic and get confused but one day it will click and I’ll get it all figured out but it still all works great
@EarlAlvinDaniels
@EarlAlvinDaniels Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the useful info. It's great that you are knowledgeable and even better that you find so much joy ("it's so cool!") with good technology. 🙂
@DefaultUser1790
@DefaultUser1790 Жыл бұрын
You read my mind. I just got the 500w version for my portable solar bank. The cost is high, but it's actually able to handle its rating +++
@johnmorton7577
@johnmorton7577 Жыл бұрын
Man I learn so much from you thanks for the information you provide
@Hedgy327
@Hedgy327 Жыл бұрын
Until 12 months ago I was using a 12/375 Phoenix inverter for my TV, satellite receiver and for charging phones, laptop, Dyson vacuum battery etc. It's surprising how small an inverter you can get away with. I upgraded to a 12/800 when I wanted to run a Mobicool MB40 cooler/freezer 24/7 in the summer following installation of an SOK 206ah lithium battery. My Victron phoenix inverters (and other Victron gear) have been rock solid. I'm surprised you were surprised at the ease of using the Bluetooth dongle 😂. Great review as always 👍
@makesaveinccomm
@makesaveinccomm 6 ай бұрын
@@Erika_Kelly_Apparel at the store: they have a lot of refrigerator running , it will use a lot of power....
@longtimber1
@longtimber1 Жыл бұрын
The Meanwell 1500 3000 48V has similar specs and has a build in solar charge controller. Super high reliability but older design. No failures after dozen deployed.
@johnvasko4035
@johnvasko4035 Жыл бұрын
I've got two 23 year old Trace SW2512 inverters that consume 12 watts on standby and have an adjustable search mode that uses a watt or two. 23 years old and still running! Trace was the original and as far as I'm concerned is the best.
@derekwaggoner7584
@derekwaggoner7584 Жыл бұрын
I have the 24v version. it runs the TV router sat dish and box and a couple lamps. it's been on 24hours a day for 9 months. good stuff
@RobertVisser
@RobertVisser Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your work. Have you seen the announcement from Morningstar about the introduction of their expanded line of SureSine inverters and the GenStar MPPT DC charging platform? The new SureSine inverters include six models from 150-2500W . The launch webinar via BigMarker is w/ PV Mag on Sept 28th, "New Off Grid Launch: DC/AC Inverters and HIgh-End DC Charging System". There's also an interview w/ the presenters in the Sept 2 issue of PES Solar, p46.
@timgerk3262
@timgerk3262 Жыл бұрын
Good info! And that test rig doesn't look too bad either. Would appreciate a refresher on the balance of system modules, wire-ways, panels etc. that are always mismatched and almost offensively ugly.
@MrFredsDIY
@MrFredsDIY Жыл бұрын
Nice video! This inverter fills a common need for sure!
@James-ht5lp
@James-ht5lp Жыл бұрын
Happy holidays, hope all was nice merry new year!
@adairjanney7109
@adairjanney7109 Жыл бұрын
man God has blessed you from where you were at to where you are. Must be nice to have all those toys
@webwizsolar4686
@webwizsolar4686 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video, Will. I have a phoenix 375w, 12v victron inverter. Even at 375w, it runs my whole house. LG refrigerator (110w), 55 inch TV (80w), lights, WiFi equipment, laptops, and phones. The inverter is amazing and have had zero issues with it. I did not have enough money to buy the phoenix 1200w inverter but also did not want to buy the bigger cheap Chinese inverters. I plan to buy the phoenix 1200w inverter someday if not, I will probably get another 375w or 500w and separate my loads. Will thanks again for inspiring so many people across the globe. I am definitely one of your biggest fans. With love from Africa!
@rickharold7884
@rickharold7884 Жыл бұрын
Yes love it, and love Victron. We use for most of our components because power consumption is a big deal. We have off grid AI cameras that don’t have a generator so they have to be able to operate basically forever. Power consumption on the inverter is a big deal where we don’t go directly DC Love the review, oh yeah and these things are heavy I have a couple and I was like what the heck. Quality quality
@N2UPROD
@N2UPROD Жыл бұрын
I use the 12/500 to recharge my goalzero 1500x instead of them silly lead acid tanks love it works perfectly
@westmc45
@westmc45 Жыл бұрын
I have the starklink and all my equipment is Victron Energy its all installed on my 47 foot sailboat the starlink works like a champ when I near shore since I have the RV version, yea even down here in Mexico.
@James-ht5lp
@James-ht5lp Жыл бұрын
I think it's good to have a small 12v inverter that can power the basic required appliances, in an emergency you can connect your car to it to charge it if needed, especially if you are off grid! And if you have a riding mower, it would be worth fitting a car alternator to that you can remove the deck belt, and connect the alternator, or use its own pulley! 10-12 hp can generate tons of power to charge batteries,
@g-whiz286
@g-whiz286 Жыл бұрын
For more accurate low current DC measurements, I would suggest that you run the DC directly through your good quality DVM. Most of them will accommodate 10 Amps (max). This will be more accurate than doing multiple turns through your Hall effect clamp-on DC meter. A 3.5 digit DVM should give you accurate DC current measurements down to 1 mA.
@mikelangford1835
@mikelangford1835 Жыл бұрын
Dude, I enjoy your videos so much. I guess we’re the same kind of nerd. Thanks
@evil17
@evil17 Жыл бұрын
Good vid & info as usual Will. Victron is nice, clean & reliable gear I believe, but it gets extra pricey for us Aussies who seem to like paying thru the arse for most things. I only have a couple of Smart shunts at this stage for a 24v & 48v system but am looking at more of the blue stuff for future builds/expansions. cheers
@NukeFPV
@NukeFPV Жыл бұрын
Such a pity this unit doesn't have a UPS function. It would be perfect !! Even the cheaper Rynogy units have the UPS function..... However Rynogy units shouldn’t be used with LiFePo4 battery's due to their inability to change charging parameters to suite LiFePo4. Thanks Will for another great review :)
@treguridesuve4336
@treguridesuve4336 Жыл бұрын
Hey there buddy, took your advice on a simple agm solar power setup a few years back. Well if I had the amount of solar you have in your big home I could probably power all my needs in a place that has sunshine all year round. However, just a year into powering just 200ah of agm with 800 watts gave out. Still couldn't afford the lithium batteries so I bought another set of agm batteries. One year year later they gave out too. Also I fried many cells in my panels because I didn't have large enough solar wire for 800 watts. I had 10 gauge but I wasn't made aware from your setup that a lower gauge was necessary if your powering more than 200 watts on 10 gauge. Either way, my total investment of 2000 could have been better spent by just using a generator or portable power bank which would provide 10 times more power and last 10 times longer. Just an FYI.
@richardsandwell2285
@richardsandwell2285 Жыл бұрын
My 12 volt off-grid inverter uses 1 Amp on standby, in winter, far too much, I used to have to go outside to turn off the inverter before sleep, getting out of a warm bed and going out naked in the snow was not much fun. Pre made remote switches only came with a non extendable 15m long cable were expensive and over complicated, so I ended up fitting a relay across the on/off switch of the inverter and a cable to a switch by my bed.
@modernnomadtechnology9252
@modernnomadtechnology9252 Жыл бұрын
After starting my system with a popular brand the starts with "R" and ends in "Y" which, as a newbie, I found to be a very helpful company, and relatively affordable, and fiddling around with other brands, I am beginning to migrate to Victron. I have a smart 150/100 cc, and I have converted a Power In into a fused battery combiner. I've been using a bmv-700 for many years. If my 12v2kw RY inverter ever burns up(good for several years now) I will most likely switch to a 48v victron inverter.
@TBButcher
@TBButcher Жыл бұрын
R...y has had decent customer service in my experience, obviously they sell lower quality products than victron. My experience with victron support was horrible, very rude and refused to answer simple questions. Local victron retailers are likely helpful but victron direct is not
@modernnomadtechnology9252
@modernnomadtechnology9252 Жыл бұрын
@@TBButcher That's unfortunate about CS. This was my major reason that I stuck with the other brand so long, even though their gear is, as you say, inferior to Victron. It was fairly reliable, and not too pricey. The CS and replacement warranty is good. I will say, though, that victron has good web guides. Lots of manuals, etc. and I feel like Victron gear will be around for the long term. As with anything good, the initial investment can be a bit rough, but I don't think they'd be the choice of yacht builders if they were not reliable.
@andrewholdsworth4421
@andrewholdsworth4421 Жыл бұрын
My money most will pay the inverter and the controller . A lot of choice is my issue before l bite the bullet and go for it . Brilliant Videos . 👍
@timaz1066
@timaz1066 Жыл бұрын
I have the Victron 12 oh 3000 W multiplus II In my motorhome and I love it. Thank you for the video.
@diySolarPowerFunWithRay
@diySolarPowerFunWithRay Жыл бұрын
The victron software is awesome! I hate all the wires and different components you have to connect together though. Evern victron system looks super intimitating and complex. Wires everywhere!
@jays2002
@jays2002 Жыл бұрын
More Victron videos please Will. Soon you'll be a Victron ambassador and they'll just send you stuff for free to review. I'm doing heaps of research on a 3 phase micro grid setup and Victron seems to be the only gig in town. Can you also do a video on connecting a grid tied Fronius snap inverter to a Victron micro grid setup? Thanks in advance 😉
@Lex10999
@Lex10999 Жыл бұрын
As always, a great video and information.
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 Жыл бұрын
One thing to note, starlink pulls somewhere around 40W 24x7, and a lot more when the dish is searching. Its not a low-power system compared to, say, a cable-modem which pulls less than 5W 24x7. Also it is fairly easy to power most cable modems directly from 12VDC (their power adapters are typically 12VDC), so the AC does not have to be used at all. The starlink, unfortunately, takes AC directly into the unit. Just a side note there, I know you were just using starlink as an example of a small load. Other useful small loads... things like ethernet switches (2W), POE switches (variable), small routers (10-20W typically), and wifi base stations (typically 15W each), all 24 x 7 loads. -Matt
@WillProwse
@WillProwse Жыл бұрын
Good information. Thanks Matt
@john_in_phoenix
@john_in_phoenix Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I just got notified and paid for my starlink this week. Now I need to find someone to install it on the roof (two story house).
@lowellmccormick6991
@lowellmccormick6991 Жыл бұрын
After hurricane Katrina I ran a DSL modem and a Linksys wireless router off of a 60w Radio Shack inverter plugged into my pickup truck's cigarette lighter with 200' of 12 ga extension chord from the inverter to my home office. I recharged my laptop with the cigarette lighter charger when running around picking up supplies and waiting in line for water and ice. While I was out of electricity, I never lost the Bell South telephone/internet service. I was able to sit on the front porch and watch streaming news from the local TV stations on the laptop to stay informed for the week without power. I don't think the cable telephone I now have is nearly as robust.
@lowellmccormick6991
@lowellmccormick6991 Жыл бұрын
After hurricane Katrina I ran a DSL modem and a Linksys wireless router off of a 60w Radio Shack inverter plugged into my pickup truck's cigarette lighter with 200' of 12 ga extension chord from the inverter to my home office. I recharged my laptop with the cigarette lighter charger when running around picking up supplies and waiting in line for water and ice. While I was out of electricity, I never lost the Bell South telephone/internet service. I was able to sit on the front porch and watch streaming news from the local TV stations on the laptop to stay informed for the week without power. Kind of primitive, but it worked. I don't think the cable telephone I now have is nearly as robust.
@NeverTakeNoShortcuts
@NeverTakeNoShortcuts Жыл бұрын
When it’s melting snow, it draws even more. Snow really croaks it. I’m going to have to buy the new Pro Antennae, which supposedly has a more powerful heater. If you have it mounted up high, like I do, you don’t want to be climbing up on a ladder in -20F..
@Thebluelandy
@Thebluelandy 11 ай бұрын
Very good video, but I think you forgot to mention one of the biggest strengths of the Phoenix, the 1200VA version can handle up to 2200VA Peak power which is crucial for powering big power Tools like a saw or a well pump. We're using this unit in our garden to power the well and all power tools and it's flawless for years. while all our neighbors are still relying on generators were silent carbon neutral. Feels so great!
@ReflectedMiles
@ReflectedMiles Жыл бұрын
I run an independent, inductive inverter circuit to power a small refrigerator using a 700 watt "industrial" 24V inverter from Go Power. In its equivalent "eco" idle mode it draws 1.5 watts of power on average, far better than if my main inverter was powering this type of load. Its cost is in the same range as the Victron, though.
@user-zo6xg8bx4l
@user-zo6xg8bx4l Жыл бұрын
It would be enormously helpful if you would do a comprehensive video about the proper installation of a 12-volt system in an older motorhome. That's where most of us DIY RVers need the most help. Especially, as regards to the DC to DC charger involving issues to make sure you don't damage the motorhome's alternator. And how to handle the already installed crossover switch for the vehicle to house batteries. Thanks.
@TylerTheCompiler
@TylerTheCompiler Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for your AC500 review!!!!! Hurry please!!!
@panossef1624
@panossef1624 Жыл бұрын
My axpert 5kva hybrid inverter its about 5w in stand-by mode and it needs about 80w load to open full operation. With victron the budget was 3 or 4 times the money i spent. The advantages of the victron are the toroidal transformer, the monitoring application and service support.
@DavidLopez-rd3hx
@DavidLopez-rd3hx Жыл бұрын
congrats on your videos, they are cool, clear and easy to understand. Best
@chrishenscheid9334
@chrishenscheid9334 Жыл бұрын
Have you done any reviews of inverters with internal automatic transfer switches? I have an RV that has "inverter prep" meaning I need to cut the AC cable that feeds the inverter prepped outlets and hardwire it to the inverter. (Not plug in to outlets on the RV, or the inverter, like most inverters seem to be set up for.) I've been trying to find one that would work, but wondered if you've tested any? I built, and installed, my own solar system on the RV from watching your videos and buying your book! So obviously I trust your reviews and knowledge. Thanks for guiding us!
@beebop9808
@beebop9808 4 күн бұрын
Like the idea of having one of these little guys running my lights separate from my system in the solar shed.
@revtoyota
@revtoyota Жыл бұрын
Hey Will... I would love to see you address replacing a lead acid to lifepo4 in a UPS. I have seen people say it is fine to add lifepo4 to a standard UPS (cyber power, APC) and others scream it will burn down the entire neighborhood (exaggeration but you know what I mean) if you replace a lead acid for a lifepo4. A few companies (Chins, Ampere Time) have UPS in the title and description of Amazon posts post that they are ok for a UPS. Keep up the great work man.
@mikaelreichel3759
@mikaelreichel3759 Жыл бұрын
I am using the 24V/ 800VA version to drive a freezer on my boat both as dedicated inverter and not having to run the main 2kW inverter all the time, but also for its low idle draw. Having two inverters is good for backup too. The freezer has very large surge power need on startup, significantly over 1kW but only 60watts when running. You can hear the inverter growl for a second as the freezer demands power. First I bought the 500VA version and it could not handle the surge.
@TBButcher
@TBButcher Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your info! I'd like to get one for my fridge, it draws less than 100watts but spikes to over 600w on startup. At one point I saw it spike for 12 seconds at 400w but usually for 1 second. Do you know how long you can spike above rated for without doing damage?
@disruptIT
@disruptIT Жыл бұрын
I have the 24v version. I got it because it has a wider input voltage range than alot of cheaper inverters. I use it with a 3.5 Kilowatt Lithium Titanate battery bank that needs to be okay with 30V ish input. Some other inverters listed 30V as the absolute max input but would make unpleasant sounds at 30 volts, and didn't feel comfortable using them. This one doesn't seem to mind at all. Plus I really like the automatic shutdown on low voltage, I mean it's never been needed but I'd rather my freezer cut off for a few hours than my batteries getting fried out.
@HansKeesom
@HansKeesom Жыл бұрын
Regarding sound, how is the noise under different loads? I am considering running a max of 70 watt on f.e. a 24/250 model.
@seymourpro6097
@seymourpro6097 Жыл бұрын
"Off-grid Garage" has a two Victron inverters, one is "On" and it brings the other one on when there is a need for more power, then off again. This means that at low loads only a small quiescent current is needed but at high loads the system can supply 7KVA.
@SingularlyNaked
@SingularlyNaked Жыл бұрын
Two points: First, that very low 1W average is only when there is no load. It's putting a pulse down the line looking for a load once every 2.5 seconds, and that doesn't take much power. When there is a load, the inverter overhead will go up substantially. Second, the Outback inverters work the same way, at least the FX series. I have an FX2524 that I've set to send 6 cycles of test current every 2 seconds, and it draws an average of ~2.5 W with no load. That's more than this, but it's a 2500 W inverter. When it's supplying current, the inverter overhead is more like 26 W. (I chose it because it's sealed, and at our 1-season camp anything with a fan will probably be full of spiders by the end of an off-season. But the very low no-load current is also necessary.)
@makesaveinccomm
@makesaveinccomm 6 ай бұрын
hello Singularly, do you have video show your outback? it total seal nothing can get in with heat-sink on back which I can run a small pc fan to cool it? please give me link video. thank
@SingularlyNaked
@SingularlyNaked 6 ай бұрын
@@makesaveinccomm Sorry, I don't have any video of it. Not really much to see, it just sits there. It does come with an external fan and housing that you can hook up if you need to. I don't use that in my installation because we don't run it very hard and the ambient temperature is rarely over 32 or 33 °C.
@EdJronline
@EdJronline Жыл бұрын
Will... your videos are awesome. I've watched close to all of them and some more than once as well as read your book. Still don't feel real confident to design a system. My girlfriend got a new building (25×34) built and wants a small system in her shop big enough to run lights and perhaps a few tools like drill or sander every once in a while. There is no heat or air so I'm wondering how the high and low temp will affect batteries or system? How small of a system do you think she could get by with? Located in Southeast Missouri so sun is pretty good and building may be dark for several days at a time.
@charlesurrea1451
@charlesurrea1451 Жыл бұрын
Perfect for a greenhouse. I don't understand why people seem to insist on using ONE inverter in power systems. Sometimes two if it's a phase thing. With enough cap between the batteries and several smaller inverters makes more sense. Simply zone your use types. One for AC, another for lights and so on.
@GarthClarkson
@GarthClarkson Жыл бұрын
Great video Will. I live off grid and I have fried 3 cheap Chinese 1500 - 2200 VA pure sine wave inverters trying to run my fridge 24/7 due to the huge spike when the compressor kicks in every 10-20 mins (depending on temperature difference). Even though the Victron seemed so expensive I took the plunge and bought my Phoenix 12/500. The 500W Phoenix sucks up the spike (I measured/calculated it as around 1800w peak) in its stride. My normal average load is around 250 - 350w. Have had it for over 6 months now and it has proven itself here in Australia even on 40+ degrees celsius days (the chinese ones are cheap for a reason - insufficient cooling under higher constant loads and serious boasting in the spec sheets that do not match the hardware). I am now watching closely to see how it goes in winter where, ironically, it is harder for the compressor to kick in due to the lower ambient temperature (I live in the mountains 650m above sea level). The price of the 3 inverters that died only cost me half what the Victron did but the equipment that died along with them cost more than double, one example being my i7 6700 with 32G RAM and an nVidia GTX 970. Fortunately I was able to salvage the SSD and HDDs but it was still way more expensive than the Victron inverter. Lessons learned.
@jimmybrad156
@jimmybrad156 Жыл бұрын
Hi Grrarth, assuming it's ~22 deg C, with the constant ~250w load, how often does its fan kick in? I'm thinking of using one inside and I'm curious how much noise it might add to a quiet room. Cheeers!
@jimmybrad156
@jimmybrad156 Жыл бұрын
That sucks that a cheap one friend some computer gear.
@GarthClarkson
@GarthClarkson Жыл бұрын
@@jimmybrad156 Hey Jimmy. I'm not sure but it is a fairly quiet fan compared to other inverters I have had. That being said, here in Australia it is illegal to have your solar setup in living areas. They must be installed in a separate shed or location in case of fire. So it is fairly irrelevant in my situation. Sorry I can't help you with that. What I have done since is installed a 3600 joule spike protector on the fridge and that has kicked down the transients really nicely so the inverter hardly notices it at all where before, even though it handled it it would sound like a welder when your rod sticks for a second or so...
@jimmybrad156
@jimmybrad156 Жыл бұрын
@@GarthClarkson I guess the spike protector is full of metal oxide varistors absorbing voltage spikes? Hopefully they don't get hot enough to reduce their life.
@GarthClarkson
@GarthClarkson Жыл бұрын
​@@jimmybrad156 Cheers. I double-checked the spike protector and it is actually the smaller1800 joule model. It doesn't seem to get hot, even in the Aussie summer. I don't actually know/care what method/technology it employs to smooth the very short but steep transient but it is effective. Seeing as it has a rating I presume that it has been tested before going to market. The fridge only seems to run the compressor every 10-20 minutes. The duty cycle is governed by thermostat. It rarely runs the compressor for more than a few minutes, even in summer. While it is running it only uses around 35W. Even if it does have a reduced life it only cost $25-. So long as it doesn't fail short circuit I don't mind and if it extends the life of my $400- inverter and my LiFePO4 battery bank it's even better. I will repeat that even without the protector, my Victron Phoenix 12/500 handled the spikes like a champion where even not so cheap Chinese models rated at 2000VA only lasted a month or two before releasing the magic smoke.
@royrobbins2214
@royrobbins2214 Жыл бұрын
Here's a tip for reading low currents. Use a smaller gauge wire and wrap it around your clamp on amp meter clamp, 10 times. Gives you X10 resolution.
@michaelclemmer8167
@michaelclemmer8167 Жыл бұрын
I agree with Roy. I have used this many times. Just use a wire that has a small enough diameter and is flexible enough so you can coil it around the clamp on ammeter. You can 'calibrate' it by using a bench supply, DMM and a precision resistor so you can test your setup for accuracy. Ive only used this with single layer coils. Just remember not to do anything that will draw high current through the wiring as the magnetic field can be strong enough to become a hazard to you and your instrument.
@michaelclemmer8167
@michaelclemmer8167 Жыл бұрын
Oops, I forgot to add this: if a DMM is available and one is only measuring milliamperes then it is likely best to just insert the ammeter in series with the cable. Just use caution to not exceed the maximum current rating of the DMM by changing a setting on the device under test. I strongly encourage the test be 'hands off' as you do not want accidentally complete the circuit should a fault occur and all the voltage appears across you.
@petergravy6893
@petergravy6893 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelclemmer8167 I agree, an auto range DMM in series will give an accurate reading of current, if just used for idle current readings etc.
@jaysunkreuze1466
@jaysunkreuze1466 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, thise efficiency specs are insane. Perfect for my 48v car hauler project coming up. Yhe 1200 watt model will run the 8000btu inverter AC unit no problemo. And since 2 is 1 and 1 is none, ill have THREE because the price is pretty good for that efficiency.
@Moes_Prep_and_Tech
@Moes_Prep_and_Tech Жыл бұрын
Victron Needs to Make Some Solar Power Stations, aka SOGENS, I love their Interface
@hegefarms4260
@hegefarms4260 5 ай бұрын
I just bought this inverter in 24 volt/ 1200 VA to run my New Fridge and small 7 cubic Freezer powder with 4 Li Time 100AH Batteries setup in 24 volt with 2. 100/30 Victron MPPT Controller's just setting it up week of 1/28/24. I hope it all works
@HebrewNomadOverlander
@HebrewNomadOverlander Жыл бұрын
Love you brotha Will, Thanks for sharing.
@lancewulfers2502
@lancewulfers2502 10 ай бұрын
Another awesome video. Thsnk you for the detailed content.
@cramarc666
@cramarc666 Жыл бұрын
I use it on my woods house powering no problem lights/phone/pc No brainer with the bluetooth dongle able to program shut off nad everything !
@dansplett8303
@dansplett8303 Жыл бұрын
You are the best at what you are doing
@hippie-io7225
@hippie-io7225 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all of your videos. Do you have a listing of the standby power draw for all of the devices you recommend?
@douglascooke1926
@douglascooke1926 Жыл бұрын
My Cotek 1000w also has low standby usage. 3.6w in sleep mode, 18w on standby. Wake up is adjustable as low as 20w.
@thomasdesloovere4200
@thomasdesloovere4200 Жыл бұрын
That was exactly what i was thinking about doing.
@john0270
@john0270 Жыл бұрын
Remember you can feed a multiplus with this inverter(or lets say a small 1000watt inverter generator) to add capacity. So let's say your seeing anything from 400-3000 watts or whatever. You can set it up so this inverter or a generator pulls max 800 watts, and when the load is exceeded the multiplus will assist for the rest of the capacity.
@idipaikia2558
@idipaikia2558 Жыл бұрын
I am your admirer, God bless you and all your KZfaq knowledge you share
@maverickmacgyver
@maverickmacgyver Жыл бұрын
I love Victron! We have a few small systems sprinkled around the property for various critical off-grid tasks. Victron is super reliable and highly configurable and user friendly.
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