Willys Jeep F-Head or L-Head Toyota Gear Reduction Starter

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Willys Jeep F-Head or L-Head Toyota Gear Reduction Starter

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I was working on a bigger video about reviving old Willys Jeep motors, and I ran across a starter that works so great I had to share it. I put a gear reduction starter meant for a Toyota Land Cruiser onto my L-134 motor. This starter is a virtual bolt-in for the F-134 motors, and can be used on the L-head by changing the flywheel and bellhousing. This would be a great upgrade for anyone with a CJ-5, FC-150, CJ-6, Jeepster, or anything else with a F-head.

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@johanchastain 3 ай бұрын

This guy is a freaking genius. Man I wish I could do 1/6 of what he can. Love the show. Especially the jeep stuff

@robertsnyder5149 Жыл бұрын

My F-head starter to a dump on me so I'm headed to the parts store for a Toyota reduction starter..Thanks so much for the help. BTW I'm working on my 1954 M-38-A1 army Jeep.

@beakittelscherz5419 7 ай бұрын

I hope this Channel will grow like BIG , bc I want to have this Man do and buy whatever he likes. the Videos are well made, funny and educational. Thsi has really chanched my attitude towards Projects and it helped me a lot getting stuff done. If you stop doing one thing and go along with another.. that eventually gets you stuff done and finally finnish your Projects. Thats much better than let them sit around for month and month bc you have to have them perfect all the time and loosing the motivation on it! his way doing wrenching and not getting TOO serious about every little detail got me thinking about my Motivation fails lately... and besides all this: This guy is a born Teacher!! And getting people to listen and learn stuff and motivate them is not an easy job normally.. This is my fave channel so far!

@robertsnyder5149 Жыл бұрын

I watched this program and now I'm in the process of changing my starter.

@timothycarley4223 3 ай бұрын

Did it fit? L134?

@robertsnyder5149 3 ай бұрын

Yes,had to oblong the holes a little.

@dustytrailscactusron 2 жыл бұрын

An interesting thing, my nephew had a 1953 International pickup with the I6. The starter on it was identical to the starter on my 1960 CJ3B with the F4 I had at the time. Strange how unusual things will swap.

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, and that means that this starter would probably work on an International, also. That's good to know, I've been eyeing some of those trucks. Thanks for the tip!

@69uremum 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like someone did a really nice lock-n-stitch job on that block at one point in time.

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the repair does look good. That block has other issues, too, but we'll see if I can get it running soon!

@mikeshobbiesandrandomstuff 2 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to seeing more of these motors

@davidbeer 2 жыл бұрын

End mill to oval out a bolt hole... Winner winner chicken dinner😃!

@amx19733 2 жыл бұрын

Gets better and better!!!! Great content!!

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@krafty65 2 жыл бұрын

I learn something cool, big or small, every time I tune in. Thanks for great content!

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it, I sure appreciate that!

@Cheapsnake1000 11 ай бұрын

The Toyota starter fits well, but I found that the throw of the starter gear is about 1/4" shorter than the stock starter. It will engage 9 out of 10 times OK, but on the 10th try it will just grind and chew up the ring gear teeth. I corrected this by cutting the face of the starter mounting flange down by about 1/8" and cutting out the backing plate in way of the starter flange. This gave me the 1/4" I needed for full engagement. Worked for me, your results may vary.

@cmac956 2 жыл бұрын

Hi , that was good stuff ,thank you.

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@videostars9194 2 жыл бұрын

In glad you got something from KZfaq, we love your videos,

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I appreciate that!

@zerolash406 2 жыл бұрын

Good day sir! How are you keeping? Always a great day when you upload! What an idea! A burley Land Cruiser starter on a little F-Head! Might try something similar with my diesel W123 series... Congratulations on the revenue from KZfaq! You totally deserve it and so much more! Anyway, always a pleasure and privilege watching you work! Kind regards! And best of health! Big Al

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I really appreciate that!

@jeremywilson551 Жыл бұрын

Did it after see this video in my 1955 CJ5 and it works great.

@Lostparadise1776 Жыл бұрын

Your creativity is awesome!

@johncarlson207 2 жыл бұрын

Out standing

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@TexasADV 2 жыл бұрын

wow that's great to know! the starter in my M38A1 is getting tired and this would be a nice swap (obviously only feeding the starter 12v vs 24v)

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

I've been really happy with those starters. You know, I run the 6v starter in both my 2A's on 12v. It is possible that the 12v Toyota starter would survive on 24v...

@Oldvwgarage57 Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for this video, more details how make fit this starter, greetings from Ensenada, México.

@JeepnJeff 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the idea. I saw your video and just bought the starter.

@timothycarley4223 3 ай бұрын

Did it fit? L134?

@timothycarley4223 3 ай бұрын

What is the part number?

@JeepnJeff 3 ай бұрын

@@timothycarley4223 You need to have a F-head starter ring gear.

@patrickriley3630 Жыл бұрын

Liked the idea I’m going to use one when mine dies thank you

@bradkay9538 5 ай бұрын

Really like your videos keep them coming

@thirdcargarage2951 2 жыл бұрын

Nice trick.

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@pauldormont4470 7 ай бұрын

Thank you! Very useful info.

@coldchickenwings9437 7 ай бұрын

Is that a Mercedes Ponton behind you? I swear you are the version of me with more $ and time to collect things! Ive wanted a Halftrack since i was 8. Im 42 now & with them being non exsistant in the wild anymore the ones restored are going for 80k i know ill never own one. So, i bought a Unimog. I think we should combine forces. I do however have a collection of willys vehicles, & VW's. I wish you were closer id love to meet you. Thank you for stepping out and documenting all this.

@rudiknapen4867 4 ай бұрын

its a Mercedes Heckflosse w110

@mrserious55 Жыл бұрын

great vids if you ever get the chance do a vid on M37 24 to 12v starter swap that would be awesome

@Dave-ty2qp 2 жыл бұрын

Oh! Me? yeah I'm just the dude clicking all the buttons down here. If the rest of you would do the same YT sences this for an algorythem upgrade.

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thanks!

@Dave-ty2qp 2 жыл бұрын

@@LowBuckGarage By the way I saw you in the duct tape derby on other chanels like Vice grip garage also. Keep up the good work.

@ramoncala7741 4 ай бұрын

armado de la bonba de agua del wuylis 134

@lassemobil 2 жыл бұрын

I guess it only exists as 12 volts. My 51 is still 6 volts and I'd love to keep it original.

@sklsout Жыл бұрын

🇺🇸👍

@albatrosnh 2 жыл бұрын

That boring could have been "wronger" for sure!

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

I'll try harder next time!

@timothycarley4223 3 ай бұрын

What engine was in the land cruiser? Toyota has several engines in the land cruiser

@vitakendall3968 2 ай бұрын

Heya, can I get a part # for that starter?

@larryalexander4833 2 жыл бұрын

Good tip. Any chance the gear reduction starter will fit the 258 inline 6

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Not this one, but a starter from a 4.0 might be an upgrade. You can probably get a parts store to let you take a look at one and compare it to your old one to see if the mounts and gear are the same.

@gabecrockett6574 2 жыл бұрын

You would also need to change to a 4.0 flywheel, the ring gear is positioned deeper for the gear reduction starter.

@joshrowland3647 10 ай бұрын

I have a 124 tooth one what will fit it?

@timothycarley4223 3 ай бұрын

In the video he says it bolts to an L134, comments say it must have a F head fly wheel... which is it? What starter can use on a L134, stock flywheel?

@Dancing_Alone_wRentals 2 жыл бұрын

How did you ever stumble across the starter idea? Very cool

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

I was building an FC-150 about 20 years ago, and heard a rumor of it working on an email news group. Had a parts store guy pull one out, measured it, and I've been using them ever since. I thought the regular one was good, but this gear reduction one really spins!

@Dancing_Alone_wRentals 2 жыл бұрын

@@LowBuckGarage You have me wondering if flywheel teeth are cut to a standard. Pretty interesting....tHanks!

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

@@Dancing_Alone_wRentals Gears in general are pretty standardized, the pressure angle and pitch are ground into the hobs. There are a few common ones, so its pretty likely that most starters could drive most flywheels as long as the mounting position gives you the right backlash.

@cmf343 6 ай бұрын

I watched this video and went and got a toyota starter for the Landcruiser ,pull out the original on my 1951 willys truck and neither the mounting holes or the hole in the backing plate are close enough to bore out. Did I make a mistake thinking this works on a 51 truck 4 cyl?

@LowBuckGarage 6 ай бұрын

It works for the F-head 4 cylinder, the one with the valve cover on top. I'm not sure which 4 cylinder you have, but if you have the L-head (typical flat head, with spark plugs coming out and no valve cover) you might need to change to the F-head flywheel and bellhousing.

@user-ws3pr2mm5l 5 ай бұрын

Why do all the mods to a Toyota starter, when you can just buy a mini starter already made for the Willys?

@briancollins119 Жыл бұрын

I’m thinking 58’ & later F-Heads have a lot wider bolt spacing

@LowBuckGarage Жыл бұрын

I did this same mod on my '60 CJ-3B F-head, and that worked great. I think only the L-head (flatheads) are different, but I'm not sure.

@timothyfowler650 2 жыл бұрын

Great stuff!! Would you mind passing on the Delco Part # for the starter? I am going to either re-do my l134 or purchase an F134 for my 1947 CJ2A. Starter prices are crazy high for the L134. Keep up the great vids !!

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The gear reduction one in this video was ACDelco 3361425. The direct drive one I used in my CJ-3B is Pure Energy 16224, which was even cheaper and also worked great.

@timothyfowler650 2 жыл бұрын

@@LowBuckGarage Do you know if a 129 ring gear on an L134 flywheel will work or will I need the beefer F134 flywheel? Thanks in Advance

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

@@timothyfowler650 The F134 flywheel has a larger diameter ring gear, I think the L134 one is too small for the starter to engage. The L134 bellhousing has the starter in a slightly different spot, but I'm not sure if its far enough to make up for the flywheel diameter difference. I know for sure that the F134 flywheel and F134 bellhousing combo works great.

@timothyfowler650 2 жыл бұрын

@@LowBuckGarage Thanks for clearing this up for me.

@we773 9 ай бұрын

Do you know if either of these starters will work on a 52 m38 not an a1. It has a 129 tooth flywheel. Military bell housing. I’ve done some picture comparison only have access to the m38 stuff. They look similar but don’t know??? Any insight would be appreciated. It has the military version L head engine. Thanks

@The_Bench_UK 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and advice. My flywheel is a 129 tooth, will the Toyota starter motor be compatible? (1943 GPW engine, not sure if original flywheel). Thanks

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The '43 GPW, originally had the early 97 tooth flywheel. If you have the 129, its been swapped. Usually the bellhousing is swapped at the same time, which is a good thing. The original bellhousing has a bushing in it for the end of the starter, the later one does not. If you do not have a bushing in the bellhousing, and have the 129 tooth flywheel, the toyota starter should work fine.

@robertsnyder5149 Жыл бұрын

I bought the dear reduction starter like you said and hogged out the holes and it fits. So what do do with the third wire? It's the smallest one.

@LowBuckGarage Жыл бұрын

I didn't run into a third wire on anything I've had, but my Jeeps are all old with really hacked wiring. I just ran main power and the wire to trigger the starter. Do you know what the third wire goes to?

@williamsmith8041 Жыл бұрын

Is there any other starter that will work on the L head motor. without changing the flywheel and all that??

@LowBuckGarage Жыл бұрын

Yes, there is a gear reduction one available, but they're about $200. You can find them on ebay. On those I've had good results using the stock 6v starter on 12v.

@patbeck7793 7 ай бұрын

What’s the part number??

@Cobra_Ranch_Garage 7 ай бұрын

The gear reduction one used is an AC Delco 3361425 for a '85 Landcruiser. The direct drive starter, Pure Energy 16224 for a '81 Landcruiser. Both work.

@Lowclassoutdoors97 2 жыл бұрын

I have one with a 97 tooth flywheel.... does the Toyota starter work for the 97 tooth?

@LowBuckGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately no, you would have to swap out to the F-head style flywheel and bellhousing. There are modern starters for the 97 tooth flywheel, but they're pricey and I've never tried one. This is one place I found: snap-usa.com/products/willys-12-volt-gear-reduction-mini-starter-mz4113-for-97-tooth-flywheel

@dalemettee1147 Жыл бұрын

The starter motor is 6Volt or 12 volt?

@LowBuckGarage Жыл бұрын

The Toyota starter is made for 12V, so that would be an issue if you want to put one on a 6V system.

@maylevijack Жыл бұрын

Do you know the parts number for the starter

@LowBuckGarage Жыл бұрын

The gear reduction one I used is an AC delco 3361425 for a '85 landcruiser. I've also used a direct drive starter, pure energy 16224 for a '81 landcruiser. I've had really good results with either type.

@maylevijack Жыл бұрын

@@LowBuckGarage my starter went out and i was looking for a low cost alternative and came across your video, so thank you for sharing the knowledge.

@maylevijack Жыл бұрын

@@LowBuckGarage do you know of a gear reduction starter that works with the L Head style