If win win was smart they would hire you as a consultant! Great content thanks

I’d love to try a Win& Win target compound. This is the first I have heard of them. I LIKE the Darton cam, and the limbs, and the riser. I wish I could see one.

I bought a win and win hurricane because of you. You were the only one that did any kind of video on them and the features looked good to me. More videos would have been good. There was almost nothing else on the internet about them. Getting further info was almost impossible. I ended up emailing win and win. No reply. I called them, then they immediately began to reply. The lack of support ended up turning me off until I kept eyeballing one in my local bow store in Sydney. Got it for a crazy low price and am happy with it other than the backup service. Once again it required me to call win and win before they would get back to my local shop with information. There is no massive development in compound bows each year. The USA manufacturers just have crazy yearly hype. Great marketing move to get people wanting to upgrade each year. The only thing win and win needed to do is provide good support and maybe develop some hunting risers in a variety of ATA that look good. Hurricane looks ok. But the shadow doesnt

I will just come out and say it. Steve if Win & Win blackball you for sharing the facts or just stating your opinion I will never buy anything else from them. Cheers.

The Info you gave in this post is Fantastic , I`ve taken it all on board >> Thank You

Hi Steven. I agree 100%. I've actually emailed you to buy the arion dx, waiting for a response from. I emailed win and win to buy one direct from them because there are none in the UK, the said only business to business........ stunning business method

I have a win&win blach shadow pro 34 and Im loving it. But I fully buy your arguments Steven.

So, as an update to the original comment, ties in quite nicely with your comments steve about back up from win and win. I got my local store to get me an Arion x. Brand new from SSA, 30 arrows later the module snapped, tore the serving on the bottom cam and ended up twisting the bow. Win and win response to the warranty claim was we will send you a set of shims so you( the store) can try to straighten it! Whats that all about? That is not great back up. Luckily the really good people at the store warrantied the bow outside of win and wins response and i have just received my replacement bow, a pse supra rtx. 3 sessions in with it and no looking back. Win and win have asked for further photos as i have raised this with them, but surely they have already dealt with the warranty claim? I just think the back up is shocking. As o5her people have pointed out, once compounds are more active in the sports window, they will then come back with more stylish and competetive bows.

I’m in Texas and man we have it so easy over here compared to other countries when it comes to archery equipment

I love my black wolf recurve 👌🏻

They could have done so well... I remember that dragonfly I got and it actually shot really good, all be it the 38s with solid limbs were a bit unreliable.

I had a Win&Win Shadow Pro 36, great carbon bow well under half the price of other companies. Would buy a new one if it had rotating mods or better yet license the evolve cam!!

I had a win win compound bow then the bow made noise found the limb pocket were junkl made with a bolt we had a bunch in the beginning now one one left, wonder why they stopped making them but a great recurve bow

My friend have the same W&w comp target model like yours, I had shoot Mathew's solocam, hoyt cam 1/2, pse Me cam and now i'm using topoint reliance. W&w my friend has to me is weird bow, it shoot very loud, and grip position is very different than other compound bows and very hard to tune.

Perhaps they will thank you for an honest heartfelt opinion. 😅

If compound is admitted into the Olympics then and only then will you see Win & Win start manufacturing compound bows!

I was eyeing a WinWin compound on eBay.

I tried to find a left hand win & win compound. Had no luck

I wanted a Dragonfly, I really liked the paint schemes, but couldn't find one here in the States.

Mathews still sell the same target bow for I gess six years...so rapid

There are basically no secrets in compound bow design now, ten or fifteen years ago there was but not today. It's all about marketing and supply, just as you say, people want to shoot the bows the winners use and will pay a premium to do so. Win and Win could easily take top spot in compound sales, Americans are patriotic but would dump American compounds in a heartbeat if they can buy a foreign bow that constantly wins for half the price of the American bows. I don't think Win and Win are thinking big enough.

When I looked for new compound 1.5 year ago I considered win win. It lost because ultimately it does not look as good as competition, has multiple cam options and I was unsure what would be good for me, people were saying it might be hard to get them tuned. Overall I was afraid noone would know how to service it. So I passed on the oppornity, even if it might have been more cost effective, they were cheaper.

Love the colour of that riser @1:00 I have an issue with compounds. My draw length is often right on the edge between the 2 cams they offer. Its awkward. Im 27 1/2 on a PSE... On a Hoyt and Matthews Im 28inch (didnt like either).. My Mybo Origin Im 28 1/2. So what would I order? I chose a bow based on whats available to have a go with at the shop and ideally it needs to be a 26 to 30 inch so I know it will fit me.

Mathews Genesis brand has had non bow press cams to adjust the draw and wight on bows since the old Genesis Pro came out in the 2000's Sure you need the same allen wrench for the bows, it is not an Elite or top of the line Hoyt that do not use this. I know as a friend got a Genesis in Madison Wisconsin, formerly Middleton era and the OG bows the Genesis 15-35 pound you 100% needed a dowel s to change the limbs draw from the set at 30 inches as the bow was what it was. At the time the bows in 1999 till the Gen --X needed a bow press to change the draw via the one cam but not the poundage as that was via the limb bolts. I know these facts becuse when my friend from Middelton part of Madsion Wisconsin ( lived there 2--12 and 1991 to end of 2000) upgraded from his old Generation 1 Genesis from 1999 the Genesis made , to the wheel and cam for a Genesis Pro and a new special sized string, the bow did not need a dowel for the cam anymore to keep the parts together as they were made as one part on the lower cam or a fixed cam. The poundage was at the time minimum for deer/turkey 40 pounds to not have to use a cheaper used Recurve with a compound sights He later moved back to the original Genesis sized wheel getting the bow set up to get 32-33 inch draw from the bow to get his full draw when he stopped growing and the minimum dropped to 35 pounds for deer/turkey in 2009 or 2010 so a 38--39 pound bow at his draw was fine using the string he had on it from the upgrade and using the last hole on the bow.

id love to buy that arion dx of you but sadly i live in thye UK

You seem to be perkier every time I watch you, after your operation, good to see your ongoing improvements in health.Must be said your diplomacy skills maybe lacking, which I prefer way more than charming bullshit. As we would say here, " Calls a Spade a bloody Shovel'.

...I've just brought a black elk ....are the recurves the same!!!

Why if the Korean company is called WiaWis the bows are called Win & Win in Australia & America (I think in Europe are called WiaWis)?

As one said, they do not understand bowhunting. Their hunting recurve without mounting holes for quivers.

Stephan Hansen sold Supra's for PSE... Does any Australian know the names of ANY Korean shooters? *Do the Chinese archers use their own cheaper products?!*

Late comers into an established market, they missed the mark by not taking on the hunting market - something the yanks have down pat.

Win and Win do not make left handed compound bows.

Your better off owning liquor store 😂😂😊

never seen a compound of theirs in person, only pse & hoyt with the odd bowtech. My guess is they'll sponsor some korean who will most likely clean house in the competition and use that to dive into the market. You don't see their bikes either. and they are looking damn good spec wise, while the price makes brands like specialized and trek look like a total joke (wich they are really). From what i can tell from the japanese pricing is that their top of the line is less then half of what the big brands charge. Wich really begs the question why stores don't sell these like hot cakes.