@@Whatishandle.. 지금으로 따지면요 !!

As Gd Big Bang ever said even Big Bang and 2ne1 never through this Hard & Cruel bettle like iKON and Winner, to make they able to Debut as an idol. Big Bang and 2ne1 just try hard by themself they even never get this kind of bettle situation. They just through the hard and sad situation back then because YG just a small Agency back then .... - Actually if I want to compare.... Winner & iKON era more Harder, Rude, Cruel than Big Bang, 2ne1, Blackpink,Treasure are. - There is so much bettle in Winner & iKON era, they not only bettle amongst themselves but also bettle with other idols from other agencies. - YG also always invite so many juge from the other agencies to juds Winner & iKON in Mix & Match,,,, So then they will be abel to Debut. - YG even ask them to be able to compeso a new song. And Whos song is good and whos peformance (sing,dance and rap) is good then their group can debut. See YG not only want his traine good at singing,dancing and rapping, but also have to be able to compose a song.... See how hard for YG traine to debut. - YG even send Bobby to join "Show Me The Money" and YG said to Bobby if you can't get the Crown of SMTM just go back to USA. Don't come back to YG anymore.... - Why YG said that because Team B as Bobby's team already Lost at YG Mix & Match competition. See This is so Cruel for Bobby and his team. - But see Finally Bobby get the Crown SMTM,,,Thats why YG let Bobby's team Debut and then YG also give them Debut name is iKON - I always cry coz this bettle so Cruel, this is the Cruel bettle I ever seen in Kpop industry. YG too hard on this young kids. I'll bet there isn't a bettle as cruel as YG Mix & Match era. Even other agencies never do this one of a kind to their trainee

요즘 00~03 중에 그렇게 하는 친구 없고, 아마 앞으로도 없을거임... 저때는 지디 따라 아티스트라는 워딩이 생기면서 프로듀싱 능력도 키웠는데 요즘은 상품화 마냥 찍어내서..

@@user-cn8fe2fp3n 절대 안 나올 거 같음 진짜

지금으로 따져도 다 졸업한 성인인데?

ILove Smile Again

헐 그니까요 저도 들으면서 지금 위너분위기가 나온다고 느꼈는데.. 저렇게 하니까 너무 자연스럽고 위너다운듯

김음음 切り替え

엌ㅋ 같은 생각하고 있는 댓글 찾으려고 읽고 있었는데, 여기 있었네요. Smile Again 이 지금 현 위너 느낌이랑 너무 가까움. 승윤 자작곡이라서 그런가...

이말너무공감..ㅠㅠ 위너는 이때부터 시작이였다가 과언이 아닐정도로 위너 그 자체

강승윤이 BI한테는 밀리죠 소속사와 시청자가 밀어준것일뿐 실력은 B팀이 훨씬 좋았습니다

@@tacon4441소속사가 밀어줬다고?

Thank you for pointing that out! ! Seriously I've been thinking the same, apart from their age difference their music and stage presence differs so much. It's not that one is better than the other but that they can't be compared.

Nami Nika Agreed :)

Catherine Lee yess, the differences between both group can be seen during win which is in 2013?! and will be bigger in 2015 when ikon is debut! cants wait!!

Catherine Lee thankyou ! your comment clears up why both the teams are equally great!

They werent being compared man. compete whos gonna debut first!

lol

Really? Ahahaah 😂

Yeah.. 😁😁 남태현 김진우 JYP... 11:24

wtf hahahahahahaha been watching this thousand times, now only i realised

And now Mino is trying to be a teacher at seunghoons story on insta lol😂

그때 빅뱅이랑은 좀 다른 노선으로 애들한테 어울리게 데뷔컨셉 잘잡아서 대박 났는데 맨날 와이지는 용두사미 그게 다였음.. 그 뒤론 수납행 ㅠ

전설의 시작임

ㅇㅈ 전설의 시작

As Gd Big Bang ever said even Big Bang and 2ne1 never through this Hard & Cruel bettle like iKON and Winner, to make they able to Debut as an idol. Big Bang and 2ne1 just try hard by themself they even never get this kind of bettle situation. They just through the hard and sad situation back then because YG just a small Agency back then .... - Actually if I want to compare.... Winner & iKON era more Harder, Rude, Cruel than Big Bang, 2ne1, Blackpink,Treasure are. - There is so much bettle in Winner & iKON era, they not only bettle amongst themselves but also bettle with other idols from other agencies. - YG also always invite so many juge from the other agencies to juds Winner & iKON in Mix & Match,,,, So then they will be abel to Debut. - YG even ask them to be able to compeso a new song. And Whos song is good and whos peformance (sing,dance and rap) is good then their group can debut. See YG not only want his traine good at singing,dancing and rapping, but also have to be able to compose a song.... See how hard for YG traine to debut. - YG even send Bobby to join "Show Me The Money" and YG said to Bobby if you can't get the Crown of SMTM just go back to USA. Don't come back to YG anymore.... - Why YG said that because Team B as Bobby's team already Lost at YG Mix & Match competition. See This is so Cruel for Bobby and his team. - But see Finally Bobby get the Crown SMTM,,,Thats why YG let Bobby's team Debut and then YG also give them Debut name is iKON - I always cry coz this bettle so Cruel, this is the Cruel bettle I ever seen in Kpop industry. YG too hard on this young kids. I'll bet there isn't a bettle as cruel as YG Mix & Match era. Even other agencies never do this one of a kind to their trainee

AHAHA

I'm your 1000 like

Facts

:)

Yes, and it was a turning point for the group as it signified all the members lost their smiles bcz of the losses they suffered and it made them stronger with that song

Totally agree! WIth Taeyang's guidance, they were finally starting to stop being like typical Yg style which everyone expected them to be. Then with Officially Missing You, they found what kind of songs worked for them. And with Smile Again, they were finally *free* . This whole show made them find good leadership, trust each other and find their way in music. I'm glad all this shit happened because there's no light without dark :)

Yeah. They have their own style and both great

True i love this song. I was smiling all throughout.

As Gd Big Bang ever said even Big Bang and 2ne1 never through this Hard & Cruel bettle like iKON and Winner, to make they able to Debut as an idol. Big Bang and 2ne1 just try hard by themself they even never get this kind of bettle situation. They just through the hard and sad situation back then because YG just a small Agency back then .... - Actually if I want to compare.... Winner & iKON era more Harder, Rude, Cruel than Big Bang, 2ne1, Blackpink,Treasure are. - There is so much bettle in Winner & iKON era, they not only bettle amongst themselves but also bettle with other idols from other agencies. - YG also always invite so many juge from the other agencies to juds Winner & iKON in Mix & Match,,,, So then they will be abel to Debut. - YG even ask them to be able to compeso a new song. And Whos song is good and whos peformance (sing,dance and rap) is good then their group can debut. See YG not only want his traine good at singing,dancing and rapping, but also have to be able to compose a song.... See how hard for YG traine to debut. - YG even send Bobby to join "Show Me The Money" and YG said to Bobby if you can't get the Crown of SMTM just go back to USA. Don't come back to YG anymore.... - Why YG said that because Team B as Bobby's team already Lost at YG Mix & Match competition. See This is so Cruel for Bobby and his team. - But see Finally Bobby get the Crown SMTM,,,Thats why YG let Bobby's team Debut and then YG also give them Debut name is iKON - I always cry coz this bettle so Cruel, this is the Cruel bettle I ever seen in Kpop industry. YG too hard on this young kids. I'll bet there isn't a bettle as cruel as YG Mix & Match era. Even other agencies never do this one of a kind to their trainee

리더의 역량도 있지만 그냥 보석함 애들은 각자의 뚜렷한 개성이 없음 목소리도 스타일도 다 거기서 거기임 그리고 너무 어린 애들이 많아서 포스가 없는 듯

보석함 애들은 와이지 선배가수들한테서 느꼈던 특유의 느낌이 없음. 그냥 전형적인 아이돌같아. 방예담 빼면 아이랜드랑 다를게 없음

리더 역량보다는 능력치와 스타성 차이 같음. 위너만 보면 강승윤, 이승훈, 송민호, 김진우, 전멤 남태현까지 다 개성 강하고 눈에 띄는 스타일임. 그리고 실력도 봐라.. 위너에서 강승윤 송민호 이승훈, 아이콘에서 바비 비아이 얘네 진ㅣ

@@lee-eb9db ㅇㅈ스타성이 요즘 애들은 너무 떨어짐 얼굴이 중요한게 아니라 매력, 끌림? 솔직히 지디나 위너나 아이콘이나 와 잘생겼다!이런 애들은 없음에도 불구하고 자꾸 눈길이 감

보석함 애들 그룹이름 뭐에요 ?

저때 자작곡 수정하고 바빴다는데 그래서 그렇겠죠 클라이맥스 보면 장난 아님

@@user-bd5hi4ef7b climax랑 그때 a팀 자작곡 둘 다 너무 좋음,,

클맥 미쳤는데... 걍 애초에 시청자 투표는 처음부터 a팀이 앞섰어서

@@user-qr8sl2cc6q 클라이맥스는 들을때마다 눈물남ㅠㅠ

As Gd Big Bang ever said even Big Bang and 2ne1 never through this Hard & Cruel bettle like iKON and Winner, to make they able to Debut as an idol. Big Bang and 2ne1 just try hard by themself they even never get this kind of bettle situation. They just through the hard and sad situation back then because YG just a small Agency back then .... - Actually if I want to compare.... Winner & iKON era more Harder, Rude, Cruel than Big Bang, 2ne1, Blackpink,Treasure are. - There is so much bettle in Winner & iKON era, they not only bettle amongst themselves but also bettle with other idols from other agencies. - YG also always invite so many juge from the other agencies to juds Winner & iKON in Mix & Match,,,, So then they will be abel to Debut. - YG even ask them to be able to compeso a new song. And Whos song is good and whos peformance (sing,dance and rap) is good then their group can debut. See YG not only want his traine good at singing,dancing and rapping, but also have to be able to compose a song.... See how hard for YG traine to debut. - YG even send Bobby to join "Show Me The Money" and YG said to Bobby if you can't get the Crown of SMTM just go back to USA. Don't come back to YG anymore.... - Why YG said that because Team B as Bobby's team already Lost at YG Mix & Match competition. See This is so Cruel for Bobby and his team. - But see Finally Bobby get the Crown SMTM,,,Thats why YG let Bobby's team Debut and then YG also give them Debut name is iKON - I always cry coz this bettle so Cruel, this is the Cruel bettle I ever seen in Kpop industry. YG too hard on this young kids. I'll bet there isn't a bettle as cruel as YG Mix & Match era. Even other agencies never do this one of a kind to their trainee

@@fastenglishclubchannel4861 i agree with you. Taehyun got depressed bcs of this survival show too. B. i case is because of he got depressed too from all the burden. I can say its yg fault too. They only a teenager that time. Other agency send their trainee to school and vocal class but yg send them into survival show. They even drop from school just to focus on trainee. Treasure got to be in school even they got debut, while winner and ikon sacrifice everything. Their era is so cruel. Even other idol said they watch ikon survival show they cry bcs of their struggles. I think bcs of this ikon got so many respect from 4th gen. Edit:- dk is a smart student actually fyi. He got exchange student to study at US before this. And jinan study in Philippines before he returned to korea to be idol. B.i ged grade is one of top higher. They just sacrifice everything just for yg. Yg pls notice their hardwork.

I swear the judge that said that declared a prophecy So creepy how accurate it was I'm sure he would have been popular regarding his talent in the industry but alot of people (littrally every I know too) knows and recognizes him as the winner of SMTM 3 He even has Bobby Bucks 😂😂😂😂😂

Yeh so please protect our winner at all costs

Yes thank u so much! ❤️

the more Team A is forged, the more they show that they are diamonds

And they're not even bad, they're just "not hep hap enough". I'm stealing the comment btw

huhu i’m late but yes

Same!! SMILE AGAIN has a very special place in my heart!! It was the song thaf made TEAM A WINNER

ㅇㄱㄹㅇ 보면서 느끼는게 ㅈㄴ대단한것 같음

맞아요...

팀웍이 세계최강임

장가영 코디 다 있어요~

JYP안목 ㄹㅇ 있음

Reading this now months later and it's on the tracklist. Daebak

IT IS on their album! wohooo

Like I say, not surprise. It's that good. :)

랩은 두팀모두 짱!!

사람마다 의견 다 다른거 보면 취향차이인듯ㅋㅋㅋ

Pinkonation's Blinkonic _KN Just Go, Don't Forget, Just For You, Rubberband, Best Friends, #WYD, Jerk, Perfect, Wait for me, M.U.P says hi to those prejudice 😊

Ikr

Cause they tried new genre. They aren't doing well with hip hop at first. Good decision though

@@harleneneri8826 Agreed, because at the end they realized they're not that hip hop... which I already know from the start..Haha 😉

say it louder sist 🔥

공허해는 b팀의 b.i곡이에요. 윈 지고나서의 심정을 쓴 자작곡인데 여러 작곡가와 조금씩 손봐서 상대팀이었던 위너의 데뷔곡이 되었죠.

윤정인 그니꺼요 혐석이 에휴

저자작곡으로 곡을내도 충분히뜰텐데

고준혁 데뷔는 두 팀 다 했는데요..? 컴백아닐까욥

히로 아맞아요 컴백

진짜… 내심정 그대로

YG might be debuting them this year(:

team be is iKON now ... and iKON are coming back on 25 January 💞

Both are successful groups now, I hope 2018 is the start of YG FAMILY's year, I sincerely hope both WINNER & iKON go up starting from now Lezzgetit!

Melle i hope you still support ot7 iKON till this day :)

Ikon waktu itu masih muda... Jadi....

+Jas A Ikr? If anything they should have gotten added points for creatively finding a way to include Mino in the dance performance . . . and that creative way was seriously daebak. Like I was blown away man!

yes thats one of the nonsense comment i jave ever heard from a judge like wtf

+Celestial Lasiez i agree. that beatboxing part was too awesome considering he was injured and the group really made it work.

+Jas A actually it does make sense. It's like if youre an athlete and you get injured you can't play. It's a pity but you don't contribute to your team and you are being a liability. I'm assuming he was judging that way. It is kinda cruel to deduct points for that but that's how the world of professionals work. Now, i'm not saying I'm agreeing to his way of judging, but it kinda does work this way in the real world. It is sad, but very real. ):

mallow colleen if you are an athlete and can't play because of an injury they don't deduct points from the final score, so I'm sorry but your comparison is invalid. In the real world the people are not held responsible for one member of their group being injured as long as they find a way to make it work. In fact if an employer tried to punish an employee for being injured at work when a doctor has signed off on the injury the employee could and would sue.

Me too....

Me too.

Yep

Hell yeah

Yep

I know eh. Team B kept on sticking to the same style, all hiphop. Listen to 18:04, that's the kind of different color I want to hear from Team B, but salt they did not choose it

+aish almotery i know that people are talking shit about winner too but more people are talking shit about ikon. i love both groups too so don't even think that im only saying this cause i only like ikon. and can we not argue? this isn't worth arguing about cause like i said, it dosen't matter anymore since both groups already debuted.

+aish almotery whatever

Well, the comments section for all the episodes on WIN are Winner biased & talks shit about Team B. Thats the reality.

+holy jisoos Totally. There shouldn't be fanwars nor comparison. They both are friendly with each other and clearly have different genres. -___-

Totally agree, that's like a fact. I don't understand how Winner biased fans dare to deny it. For each person stating he/she preferred TeamB -they don't even diss TeamA- there are 4 bashing over TeamB and iKon. Also I don't know which show they watched, since apparently all the mistakes made by TeamA never happened and TeamB were out of focus, not enough talent, etc like what? TeamB were less experienced, had not famous faces, were much younger, and still they were at the same level of TeamA and many times even above. I'm happy TeamA won, it was about time to debut already and the deserved it, but all that people -Winner stans- bashing on TeamB are just delusional.

대박진짜ㅋㅋㅋ시즌1~4총합해도 바비가 1등할듯

승현 딜리버리만 잘되면 진짜 그럴수도 있을듯요

ㅇㅈ글고 전 코닉인데 climax무대보고 대체 왜 진거지? 이러고 a팀 무대봤는데,,와 진짜 그냥 가수보다도 가수같음..하나도 안떨고 노래도 너무 좋았어요 강승윤이 노래를 대중성 있게 잘 만드는듯요

@김탁구 위너는 시청자 투표로만 결정됐어요 ㅎ

Damn i really agree with you! Winner is the first kpop group that i really spend my time on digging and watching all their programs. And yes its really damn hard to pick bias because all of them has their own character which make they really different from other kpop group. #TEAMWINNER forever!

Time stamp please...🙏🙏

@@gazalsharma349 Around 30:45 and 38:24

Omg Agreed... it was really good that I almost cried :o

watch winnertv and ready to amazed by how amazing KSY made every moments into making-new song....HE'S TRULY ARTIST.. seunghoon and minho is best lyric-making...really ..every member of them is an artist and worthed even for solo career!!

+Kpopshin it's felt like they were performing on inkigayo stage or something like that

smile again 이미 공허해 앨범에 수록되있어요~!

I agree!! Team B supporters! I think that they should be kind to team A because the time that they are going debut people interest in them will slowly fading! I mean if they continue to be rude, they will never receive any support from ACES w/c getting bigger!! I hope they STOP the rudeness! If they don't like team A/ Winner just keep quiet because they are just ruining team B's image & chances to debut! Team A won because a lot of people are more interested in them!!

Yes there r some immature fans in both the fan dome bt I think CERTAIN team b fans ( not all )just crossed the line by calling winner as "winugu" , aces as "asses" , they even call jinwoo as "cry woo" . Someone even managed to write that aces r poop. Tell me who is being rude and disrespectful? Someone even managed to change winner's name as "winugu" in Wikipedia site. Disgusting!! And u r telling us that we are rude. U just need to know ur fan dome well. Those certain immature fans r the one who are more popular in team b fan dome lol . I am sure you know them if you use twitter. Lol

praava rai never mind those kind of rude fans who're huge sour grapers...hating on WINNER in all episodes I think...^^

@@paravak9393 And yet you're one sending us hate, the hate will go to winner.

agree with you. iKon is definitely an icon. proud of them.

hallyukings I kinda agree with you on this. I am an iKONIC

You mad?

Because they already Lost 3 times in a row, that's why they are scared of team B

@@adellianaura7910 discouraged and disappointed of themselves.

After watch WIN, I recognize that the problem with team B is they always rely on B.I and Bobby (and a little bit of Jin Hwan), rapping, composing, re-arranging, choreographing, dancing, everything. The only thing remains is vocal (?!), and that goes to Jin Hwan. Team B fans, as far as I know, almost all of them like B.I and Bobby. I'm a fan of Bobby myself. Personally, I think that the reason team A shine brighter to Korean public because their individuals have their own strong point, when combining, they made a good group.

Khanh Nguyen Yeah, team b was depending a lot on B.I., bobby, and jinhwan. It was a shame the vocals for team b couldn't shine more because for the little I heard of them in part of the songs all of them have likable voices. I like both teams, I'm happy Winner debut already >.< and I hope Team B debut later on, more mature and stronger with the same members ^.^ for me I'm a fan of seungyoon and mino(Winner) and junhoe and Dong Hyuk (team b). Are you a fan of Winner?

Onew-Do kawaii Oh yes. I like Hoon and Mino in Winner. Rapper line keke. I prefer Winner to team B, but I like Bobby most among 11 of them ^^ Btw, there's 'Onew' in your username. You like SHINee? I like a lot of groups but my ultimate group is SHINee and ultimate bias is Jonghyun ^^

Khanh Nguyen Oh yeah!!! I like lots of groups right now ( I literally don't get the fan wars between groups cause I like them all and I just want to enjoy their music) ^.^ Like my username shows it,Onew is my bias in shinee >.< Do you like Vixx?

Khanh Nguyen I honestly believe the reason Team A won was Kang Seungyoon and they were older. He had that established fanbase, and if Team A didn't debut then, it was highly unlikely they would've at all. I think the reason it took so long for them to officially debut was because YG didn't know which song or genre to go with, hence more ballads as their stage presence is lacking. It's unfair to say Team B relied on Bobby, B.I. and Jinhwan when in Winner it was Seungyoon, Mino, and the other rapper that carried the weight. As much as I like Jinwoo he constantly was messing up and the maknae has good vocals but he wasn't doing much with regards to composing.

true. I feel like thats their favorite dance step and they somehow wanna own the step and make it something remarkable about them. :D Like make it their trademark. :D I love Team B. Im waiting for them. :D

So with youuu

Sorry I typed wrongly. It was Team B which had better dancing compared to Team A. Team A's vocals were much better though.

+Fangyuan Yu Yes, but being only good at dancing , isn't gonna make you stand out and make you last in the industry for a long time, remember there are a ton of Kpop boy groups that are very good in dancing. I honestly think that you could easily replace dancing by stage presence and talent in music. You could leave the dancing to the back up dancers.

I agree with the original song BUT not with the dance. They clearly won the first 2 parts.

Elizabeth Chong That’s why there’s an edit option, for us people to use.

+Yurface x HOT