Man what a bamboozle. I had at least some hope. Well guess you was right then. My copium: They say its not currently planned, because its opening up later this year. As planned. Obviously this is just twisting on words and not what will happen. :D

Winamp is owned by Meta confirmed

I want puke on this corporación

I'm guessing they are still thinking about what exact license to use, possibly writing their own. They might just go "source available", but they did mention the "official version", so I do think some sort of derivatives will be allowed. It also depends on what they understand under "open source". Do they mean the FSF version of open source? In that case I understand them not going "open source". If I wanna be generous I would say the license will be pretty open, but it will forbid commercial use, and it will protect their brand. Of course that's speculation.

@@hummel6364 source available open core is a possibility in a way that users can use it and cant compete with winamp. personally winamp was useful before vlc came around

Nobody would add commits. Probably more a marketing trick

win-win for everyone?

Nah, mate, winamp was my boi for my entire teenage years. Nobody uses it now. That's fine, opening the source is not going to prompt a load of new development, it's not gonna change the world, it's just going to make sure that I'll probably be able to carefully and delicately explain to my future kids about whipping the llama's ass without booting up an XP VM.

@@rizkyadiyanto7922 the win would be to move away from proprietary software entirely

Just like everyone elsed

I still remember the exact inflection of "*boom* Winamp--WINAMP! It really whips the llama's ass" burned into my memory, and I haven't used winamp in something like 15 years.

It really does.

It's okay. I liked it. ;)

Llama tested... Mother approved!

webamp

que charlie from it's always sunny

netscape did that at first with their web browser, released under the NPL it lacked the symmetry with contributors meaning you have to make your source available but netscape doesnt have to

One might argue that was the point of making the term (thanks Eric S Raymond), and much as Stallman can be a problem, he was right about "Free" software (as opposed to "Open Source").

@@symbioid not all free software is open source and not all open source is free software. Does that make sense.? Ex free but not open Netscape public license Ex open but not free Reciprocal public license

@@joshallen128 That's what my point is. I guess what I'm saying is I agree with you, apparently violently. I'm in a bit of an anti-corporate LLM bent today and its bleeding into other discussions so I apologize for my tone. There's a difference, you're right. My point is "open source" is just a sneaky way to let non-"free" (as in freedom/Gnu) language sneak in so corporations can "Free"wash their products (like in this case... sounding like it's open and free, but * fine print). Those who know and pay attention to this sort of thing already know this. But those who don't know much about it, and see "Open the Source Code" ... without looking at the details or understanding there's a difference may see it as a good thing. Another example of "Open" source... Red Hat's bullshit "Shared Source" licensing... they get to use glossy "Open Source" sounding words - but it has nothing to do with the end user or devs; only the orgs right to take contributed code and use it in their products, making money off the programmer's labor, while not giving the programmers or users any rights to use/modify it on their terms. It's 100% marketing bullshit, and it's a shame it's done, but that's what 'open source' as a term has done, and specifically why ESR coined it because "Free" was to scary to corps. This lets the corps off the hook and use nice sounding words to make it sound like they're doing something good. Either way I think we agree that this use of the word "open" - even if technically correct, does so in violation of the spirit many devs/users desire (free). At least that's what I think, though given the past few years, I don't think anyone cares about these concepts. The saddest part, ultimately, is that users just want convenience, they don't care how much code is "free" - and if devs wanna give money so a corporate entity can make more money while not paying them for their labor, I guess that's on them - hey it's "experience" they can put on their resumes, I guess. At least there's actual open-source/free software that does let users actually view and modify and fork the code. Til they make it illegal and encumbered wtih things like licenses to even contribute code to a project in the name of "safety and security and engineering principles" (Look at the EU for the way this is going). But that's a whole other topic! Peace and cheers!

@@symbioid yes nowadays you rtfm free software freedom libre reading headers in files for copyright information and license

The code leaked sometime ago

@@arran4285 Leaked code isn't open source. You're not even allowed to obtain or redistribute it.

This is why R. Stallman is so specific about the language used to describe software and source/binary code.

@@SKWDiesel1 Stallman is so strict about the language that it loses its meaning, though. For example, he (the head of the Free Software Foundation) doesn't think Linux is "Free Software".

​@@SKWDiesel1Stallman wants to be the final arbiter of words and official king of english.

Oh, Didn't know the developer of Reaper also made Gnutella as well.

@@Man-xk9rz technically they never could release the source code to gnutella, but the community managed to reverse engineer it. a forerunner to bittorrent. NSIS the package compilation tool stands for nullsoft something

He also did an open installer tool at the same time. Quite a good set of tools.

Reaper is so awesome 👌

Reaper gang unite.

and i hope he never sells it

REAPER, is that the audio collab tool with _intentional_ latency to try to make it something you can react to?

@@absalomdraconis No. That's NinJAM.

There’s already something similar to that in beta called WACUP, written by a former Winamp dev.

Open source is the term OSI uses certified licenses and free software is the one used by FSF. They can't use them in other ways unless they're intentionally being disingenuous.

Winamp+Winrar was such a Win-Win combo.

​@@thingsiplayWho even USED WinRar? I only knew WinZip.

wacup?

@@thingsiplay why would someone want to archive their data in some weird proprietary format like that?

​@@shallex5744because Windows didn't yet have built in zip support, 7-zip didn't exist yet, and most archivers didn't have the endless free trial WinRAR is famous for.

The only problem with Audacious is that you can't move the application windows with a normal mouse click in Wayland because the Wayland designers have an obsessive and myopic religious belief in desktop security at the cost of simple and necessary functionality. You can drag the windows around by command-key+drag, which is simple enough but it's an annoyance and I blame the Wayland developers, not the Audacious devs.

based audacious enjoyer

​@@gnarlin4964There shouldn't be anything stopping what Audacious is trying to do from being possible in Wayland. It's technically just client side decorations, which the Wayland folks don't have any ideological problem with - Audacious is probably just trying to do it in a weird way that doesn't work - my guess is they're trying to do absolute positioning instead of just sending drag events.

Audacious, it whips the llama's ass.

@@gnarlin4964 "Add protocol for making windows magnetic to each other" got spun out "staging: Add ext-zones protocol for area-limited window positioning" five days ago so here's hoping it won't take too many decades to get accepted.

i really like the UI but renaming songs in bulk is easier in rhythmbox. rhythmbox is SO UGLY tho

@@swagmuffin9000 Good thing I don't use Elisa for bulk renaming hahaha. I'll note down rhythmbox for when I need to.

quod libet is goated

I use ffplay (from ffmpeg suite) with shell scripts :D

LLaMa LLM perhaps

Just downloaded it and that's so awesome to have!! Thank you for mentioning it :D

Finamp: it really whips the fish's ass.

Most people using online streaming. People with own files use MPD, DLNA or LMS to cast the files to the targeted renderer.

Well, I don't have a massive collection of mp3's. I have a massive collection of flac's :D (and I am using sometimes ffplay from ffmpeg suite combined with a shell script, sometimes cmus)

the *audacity!*

Yes.

Oh no! "I'm the t to the w, h, l, i, ,g, h, t, and ain't no other pony troll it down like me. I'm Twilightlicious".

This is what I came down here to say lol

Are you using Audacious in Winamp mode while using Wayland by chance?

I used Clementine for a while, which was an Amarok fork, and now we have Strawberry as a fork of that. Give it a try. (That said, it's a bit of a library manager...)

There is a lot of music players. As for "players similar to Winamp" there are Audacious and Qmmp come in mind. Btw, Winamp itself is kinda bloated and does have a library manager.

Lollipop is pretty nice on gtk desktops, Elisa is nice on qt desktops.

They're being really vague about it but that seems possible Edit: I see they tweeted with even less context lol

I believe I saw a tweet from them confirming the code won’t be under an open source license at all. It’s purely a stunt, not sure for what exactly considering the project has been dead since 2013, aside from a “leaked” build that was compiled wrong. They don’t have the people who shaped the product into what it was any more, nor the market interest. The handful of owners it’s changed hands through really only wanted Shoutcast, the database of radio stations.

Ah, the old Netscape plan.

Considering Winamp was originally just a closed source fork of AMP with a GUI slapped on top, taking other people's code and doing whatever they want with it seems to have always been the plan.

Or that they don't have anyone to start with & are trying to find the people to then do it for them for free (llama group/audiovalley/radionomy/whatever name they're picking at the time have an awful record of not having enough available cash to pay people in a timely manner). There also shouldn't be any dependencies needing follow-up since their versions (5.8 beta / 5.9.x) were already stripped of such aspects when aol sold things to them & the deliverable package they were given had all of those aspects removed & what they then released moved to other open libraries &/or relying on OS functionality to decode some of the formats. Its only if they've added in things as part of their NFT/fanzone cruft (assuming access to that would even be part of things) where new aspects would've been added.

this development model has a name, it's called "open core"

They clarifed later that it won't be open source. So completely proprietary source available.

Oh, cool! I am using ffplay (from the ffmpeg suite) combined with a shell script…

mpv is definitely the best choice for video, though I use mpd paired with ncmpcpp as a client for audio. It is another solid choice in the same spirit as cmus.

To make my point explicitly clear

They need a "free" dev team first before any potential clean-up which is what the paid dev team that was dropped over a year ago was meant to have been doing along with them adding in the nft stuff to the builds. Not that there should be anything super propriety as that was all removed with what this lot got from aol as part of the sale.

You know there ffplay (from ffmpeg suite) combined with shell scripts? 🙂 I know, it does not have that GUI, but… it comes directly from ffmpeg!