I dont know if you discovered so within the last 4 years, but he made a video on it about a year before this one

adopting this rifle would of been a massive waste of time by 1883 given the advent of smokeless powder not long after

@@MangasColoradas941 your assuming that the weapon couldn't be modified for smokeless powder.

Check out this one :) > Lee Vertical Action Model 1875

Hunt Showdown is set in 1895, granted it's a very alternate zombie filled timeline, but the guns are generally accurate for the time, though sometimes renamed compared to real life. Sadly no Winchester Hotchkiss, but they do have other early bolt actions like the Swiss Vetterli and the French Lebel.

TheAlexander1336 Yes.

great :)

What's stopping you? I only ask because I'm wanting to go to the range right now. I just don't have the motivation.

Matt Marzula Well normally I would be at work.. However, my customer for today cancelled their job, so I didn't even bother going in. That left me open for some shooting today, but I need to get some stuff done around the house/outside. The weather has finally stabilized here in Illinois, so I need to take advantage of it to get things taken care of. But I am currently looking at buying 5 acres.. That way once I am done being Mr Responsible and have completed my "chores," I can simply walk outside and my range will be right there ;) :)

Matt Marzula Money's keeping me out of the firing range. I'd love to spend a few hours with my Nugget and my 10/22 at a proper rifle range but I can't afford the ammo for the mosin or the range fee. And I need to properly service my 10/22 before I push that many rounds through it in that short a timespan.

ToastyMozart Black powder rifles normally do make a different sound than smokeless rifles. Mostly because they shoot a lot slower than more modern rifles.

ToastyMozart Yes, black powder does sound different than smokeless. Quieter, too.

ToastyMozart Smokeless powder burns much faster, so you get much more rapid expansion and pressure spiking; which makes for a sharper sound. It's kind of like the difference in sound between popping a balloon and just letting the air out of it.

The Seukonnen Black powder burns much faster then smokeless, most of the sound is from the bullet breaking the sound barrier. With 45.70 carbine loads (405 gr. bullet 55-50grs BP around 1100 fps.) but its a great gun that you will not get to see shot very often.

Hugh Batesel Huh, really? I was under the impression that because black powder deflagrates while smokeless powder detonates, that meant the black powder burned more slowly.

Mike Marion It's a Star 30M.

theoroinvictus Star 30M

50-70 is even manlier...size matters. lol

50-140

Awkward to reload, maybe, prone to breakage? Not really any more than any other bolt action, it's the same basic striker fire system that near every bolt action rifle in existence has used. And even if the tube mag is kinda awkward to load, you can just drop rounds in single fire exactly like a normal single shot once it's empty. Meaning you get an extra 5 round burst, and then a basically identical continuous fire over a Martini.

***** whatever feels best

***** Well, he has to do it with his right hand anyway, because this is like most bolt action rifles, made for right handed users.

***** Pretty much. It's easier and faster to move the right hand from and back to the front grip/resting place than to take the left hand and move it all the way around. Plus that would lead to an awkward cocking angle.

***** Give it a try sometimes. A tip though. Make sure your right thumb is NOT over the top of the stock. The thumb has to be on the side of the rifle. I guess we can call it...bolt bite?

Jesse Sisolack I've tried that with a K31 once (Ian did it before in the Ross Mk.III video), and it's pretty hard considering how heavy these wood stocked rifles are (The K31 is ~9lbs). Plus the bolt bite you mention definitely is a thing. It's really awkward, and I had to shoot from the bench because the weight was an issue, and I'm not a lefty.

BigBossManBBQ actually this weapon's tube magazine is in the butt-stock not under the barrel like the Lebel, Mauser and Gras-Kropatchek(which was a copy of an Austrian design that was basically a black powder Lebel). I'm sure if the French could they would have copied it. they were infamous for pulling this trick on gun inventors of inviting them to a contest to display and demonstrate their designs and then ripping them off by copying their work without paying.

dreyrugr this rifle could have won the Sudan 1885 Khartoum Relief Campaign for the British. With the magazine cut-off on, the British fighting squares could have steadily volleyed the incoming Mahdist hordes and then de-activated the cut-off and give em 4-5 rounds of rapid fire when they got within 100 yards. such a last minute shock could have broken the Mahdists.

MrReded69 I doubt it, small arms rarely play a big role on battlefield decisions like that. And if the British were to adopt a bolt action they probably would've contracted through Mauser.

The British had already selected the Lee design over the Mauser by the time of the Mahdist War.

***** thats most likely the camera microphone getting blown out, it comes down to individual perception but to my ears black powder guns are about as loud as modern smokeless cartridges. it just has a different and meatier, more resonant sound

theoroinvictus Yeah they definitely sound "deeper", but in a good way, they have some authority to them imho

blogobre yeah, but you've got to haul that Maxim around, and I get tired just looking at them! XD

dale myers Are they actually coming home now?

dale myers But didn't Obummer ban then from import from Korea!? :O

dale myers That article was copy-pasted from a TTAG article in 2012. It's not happening

Zerg Vining Hey man, you never know.

dale myers i highly doubt they're coming in, don't get your hopes up

The answer to that question "why was the trapdoor kept for so long?" is quite a lot more nuanced and multi-faceted than "politicians be penny-pinchers." To oversimplify it (and trust me, this *is* oversimplification) the long-term economic and psychological effects of the Civil War had taken a serious toll on the American populous. They were really wary of investing too much into military procurement, to the point where the US armed forces effectively stagnated for the next 20 years. The stories you hear of the Army not wanting magazine rifles becase their men would just blow through ammo are half-true. Yes, they were trying to keep military spending down, but also the logistic lines of the Wild West were so long that entire companies were often having to ration ammo to their troops. (Also in this time there weren't many nations that were interested is challenging America's sovereignty. Europe was over in Europe being Europe to each other, and neither Mexico nor Canada were really capable of taking on the US even in its weakened state. Thus the US armed forces turned its attention to more internal affairs, like taming the Wild West.) It wasn't until the late 1880's that America had recovered enough from the lingering economic and psychologic effects that they felt comfortable giving the military more money, and it still wasn't until World War I that those gates would open fully.