This video will show how I wound a 1:4 Current Balun using 15 turns per side. I used a T-130-2 toroid and 18 gauge copper wire. 73, N7JFP
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@user-uv4xe3cq2y5 жыл бұрын
Great video, perfect finish showing your work results. Thanks!
@levelflightvideo9 жыл бұрын
Great vid, thank you for taking the time to share.
@LU8HRW11 жыл бұрын
Recently finished a 4:1 balun following your advice. It works fine with a delta loop antenna in the band of 40 m. Thanks from Argentina.73 LU8HRW
@N7JFP11 жыл бұрын
That's great. I used my 4:1 Balun with a 40m Delta Loop that is horizontal. On 40m my SWR is 4:1, but 20 and 15m are 1.5:1. Good DX, 73, N7JFP
@red5standngby13 жыл бұрын
@N7JFP Great, thanks for your help. Jon
@wb5rue12 жыл бұрын
The "one glove method" kind of reminds me of that singer guy but I guess the "bling" kept wearing the enamel from the wire, eh? I really enjoy your videos, they are very educational for this old ham.
@vasilepop436910 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! Wonderful video. 73 de VA6POP
@N7JFP10 жыл бұрын
They both work. The frequency response might be a little different. With the 8 turn model a larger wire size can be used for higher power. I tried both to see what the difference was. The wiring method causes the ratio to come out the same. 73, N7JFP
@N7JFP11 жыл бұрын
The purpose of a 1:1 Balun is to reduce the travel of RF back to transmitter caused by a impedance mismatch at the antenna. The 1:1 Balun would normally be placed very near the antenna. If you are not transmitting there is no need for a 1:1. Look up "Preselector"and how it improves reception in receivers. 73, N7JFP
@murlik113 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much nice video 73'
@Paul_KG11 жыл бұрын
Thank you N7JFP. That being the case, would using a 1:1 in addition to a 9:1 balun be the best solution for a random wire antenna connected to my short wave radio to give it the ability to receive even better? For example, if the 1:1 was used at the end of my feedline just before my receiver then I would then connect a 9:1 on the other far side (the side I would connect to the antenna) of the 1:1 balun. Would you consider that to be a more ideal set up?
@N7JFP13 жыл бұрын
@josh2utube The SWR/frequency response curve can be varied by changing several components. Wire size, wire spacing, and toroid type are a few. I recommend "Transmission Line Transformers Handbook" from Amidon Associates, inc. 73, N7JFP
@Aleziss5 жыл бұрын
count turns from the inside of the core. As soon a conductor goes inside, it count for 1 turn.
@N7JFP13 жыл бұрын
@red5standngby From what I have read, 18 gauge should handle up to 200 watts. To get the 1KW it should be made from 12 or 14 gauge. 73, N7JFP
@N7JFP11 жыл бұрын
The purpose of a Balun is to try and match the radio impedance to the antenna impedance. A long wire antenna has a high impedance, so a 1:9 balun would help in matching. Ham radios are made with a 50 ohm output. So a 1:9 is 50 ohm to 450 ohm. An antenna tuner would also help. good luck, 73 N7JFP
@W4OP5 жыл бұрын
The purpose of a balun is NOT to match impedance. The primary purpose is to attenuate common mode currents. What you made is a transformer, not a balun. Dale W4OP
@Max-xv1fv9 жыл бұрын
Mitico. Me ne farò uno identico. Grazie da IW3ILM.
@LU8HRW11 жыл бұрын
Hi Lawrence, nice video. Others HAMs winding the "coils" in opposite direction, one clockwise and the other counter clockwise, then the terminals ends in the same "side ".Thanks for share.73, LU8HRW
@N7JFP12 жыл бұрын
@Dreamlgider That's correct. 50 ohms should work. Good luck, 73, N7jfp
@CliffFoxKU4GW10 жыл бұрын
What would be the wattage rating on this balun?
@davideisenberger61977 жыл бұрын
Thank. You for your video. I noticed that you did not show how you would check for Common Mode Currents in this project. Were you able to do so?
@N7JFP7 жыл бұрын
I did not check. I was looking for a low SWR on 20m and 40m. I run 5 or less watts. 73, N7JFP
@pudiful8 жыл бұрын
Can I use 29f of cable with this 4:1 balun?
@N7JFP11 жыл бұрын
The 1:1 balun is a RF choke. It's purpose is to stop the RF from coming back down the antenna feed line. One wave length of coax coiled up will work. Search Internet for RF choke or 1 to 1 balun. Check this: k8dns.com + /balun.html 73, N7JFP
@N7JFP13 жыл бұрын
@red5standngby I am using 18 gauge, one is red, one is blue. The colors make it easy to align the wire as you wind them. 73, N7JFP
@red5standngby13 жыл бұрын
How much wattage do you think this might handle? Thanks, Jon
@joblessalex10 жыл бұрын
What's the difference between this and the 8 turn model? Or have I just missed it?
@Ixquick9798 жыл бұрын
Can this be used for UHF TV antenna or it is only suitable for HF?
@N7JFP8 жыл бұрын
+Zara Hall This toroid is designed for HF frequencies. You would have to find a toroid made for UHF frequencies. The 1:4 ratio should still work. 73, N7JFP
@69Markowski10 жыл бұрын
Never use a iron-powder toroids on antenna side. I made it allways ferrites like a Amidon FT-114 - 61 or FT-140-61 for 2kW power. 73, OH5FCO
@thuff32077 жыл бұрын
Have you tried a different core material to get a wider frequency range.
@lawrencelong56047 жыл бұрын
I have not tried different core types. The T130 was the type specified for this project. It worked for the HF bands. There are a lot variables to change to get a better bandwidth. Good luck experimenting. 73, Larry
@stephanemarcot92403 жыл бұрын
I am very sorry, but what you have made is a 4 to 1 balun (4:1) for a 200 ohms antenna. That's why you are using a 200 ohms resistor for your testing... A 1 to 4 balun (1:4) is a step up transformer used for a COBWEB antenna which has a 12.5 ohms impedance when complete. The 1:4 balun brings the matching circuit (antenna) from 12.5 ohms to 50 ohms. Also for a much better result a FT240-43 toroid ferrite core is recommended for any type of balun for HF (all HF bands). 73's de M1ENE
@KB3PHL8 жыл бұрын
I notice at the beginning of the video you say you need 16 turns but later on toward the end of the video you say and count 15 turns. Which is it 15 or 16?
@N7JFP8 жыл бұрын
+KB3PHL I made an extra turn on one side. One side is 15 the other side is 16. Does it make a difference? I am not sure. I would try to make both side equal. 73, N7JFP
@Dreamlgider12 жыл бұрын
ok so to check a 1:4 balun i need a 200 ohm load, so im guessing a 50ohm load for a 1:1 balun, it makes sense i guess. please correct me if im wrong. Regin oy1r
@KB3PHL8 жыл бұрын
Where can I find the blue and red colored enamel coated magnet wire?
@N7JFP8 жыл бұрын
+KB3PHL Colored copper wire can be found at this site. firemountaingems.com/shop/zebra-wire 18 thru 30 gauge can be found here. 73, N7JFP
@JosephLorentzen5 жыл бұрын
Do you know the effective frequencies that the T[130 works at as per the work done by g3txq?
@N7JFP5 жыл бұрын
I am not sure of how the T130-2 applies to g3txq antenna. It covers the HF band. 73, N7JFP
@JosephLorentzen5 жыл бұрын
@@N7JFP no, the component ferrite, not a radio.
@N7JFP11 жыл бұрын
I am not sure of the effects of stacking two toroids together are. It is always fun to try something new and see what the outcome is. Try it and see. 73, N7JFP
@Kellymale6 жыл бұрын
Seems stacking toroids increases power handling.
@KB3PHL8 жыл бұрын
Would you need a bigger size toroid for 12 or 14 gauge wire?
@N7JFP8 жыл бұрын
+KB3PHL I have not tried the heavier wire. You might get only half the number of turns. Not sure how that wire size would effect frequency response. Should increase power capability. The best way to find out is to build one. Good luck. 73, N7JFP
@eknaap88005 жыл бұрын
@KB3PHL: Yes, one does. The nomenclature of the toroid is simple: The first number denotes the diameter (higher is larger) and the second denotes its ferrite composition (e.g. 2 is for 0,5 to 30 MHz). One could use thicker wire to have increased power capabilities. It does not affect the freq. response, as long as you wind it tight to the toroid. You do not need to wrap the toroid in tape or anything, but it helps to prevent arcing in unusual bad cases. I used 14 AWG for my UnUn with a 200-2 toroid. It handles 500 W with ease. 73, PD0PSX the Netherlands.
@red5standngby13 жыл бұрын
What size wire are you using?
@ericover7239 Жыл бұрын
Are they good or help receiving as well
@N7JFP Жыл бұрын
I have not tried using it on a receive only antenna. It's main purpose is for the transmitter/antenna matching. 73, N7JFP
@PatAutrey Жыл бұрын
I noticed that you call this 1:4 instead 4:1 are they the same thing or totally different? Will this ballun match a 50 ohm radio to a 200 ohm antenna
@N7JFP Жыл бұрын
Yes. 50 to 200. Works great. Thanks for watching. N7JFP
@poitevienphilip8 жыл бұрын
friend is how many millimeters thick is Cable? yy5mki
@N7JFP8 жыл бұрын
+Philip Poitevien --hamradioindia.com/kitbuild/Toroid.htm this site will help. Thanks for the link to the calculator, looks useful. 73, N7JFP
@tommoorcroft32848 жыл бұрын
What colour is the toroid thanks
@N7JFP8 жыл бұрын
+Tom Moorcroft Watch my video Winding a 1:4 Current Balun with 8 turns.The color is RED. 73, N7JFP
@yxhankun11 жыл бұрын
Can u show me a 1:1 balun? please!
@mickwood46414 жыл бұрын
I am very sorry I dont agree with what you are saying ... A1:4 balun is a step up transformer ... for instance, a COBWEB antenna when complete is 12.5 ohms which requires the 1:4 balun to bring it up to 50 ohms. The single loop antenna is a 200 ohm antanne this then would require a 4:1 balun to step down to 50 ohms...
@N7JFP13 жыл бұрын
@d3474mas73r The glove protects the fingers from the wire. They work best with the smaller gauge of wire. 73, N7JFP
@flyboyguru69297 жыл бұрын
Why does it take so many turns?
@N7JFP7 жыл бұрын
There are many books and articles that show the formula for calculating the impedance of the balun in a certain frequency range. Most things are variables. Type of material and size of toroid, wire gauge, number of turns and spacing of wires. 73, N7JFP
@randyminnick88679 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Thank you de WA6IXI
@Isszarya8 жыл бұрын
You do sound like Donald Sutherland so I have attention even more Hi
@ekiskaliburnirvana90474 жыл бұрын
As i know iron cores are not suitable for this work. Ferrite cores should be used
@JimPBarber2 жыл бұрын
Why 1:4, I am familiar with a 4:1 but not a 1:4
@N7JFP2 жыл бұрын
Depends on direction. Radio is 50-antenna is 200. 73, N7JFP
@gustavoarielsantana4 жыл бұрын
balun malo
@runningbear46668 жыл бұрын
fun watching others show how to bend wire and count to 16
@W4OP5 жыл бұрын
You cannot make a 4:1 CURRENT balun with a single core. What you have made is a 4:1 transformer. What is the purpose of a balun- it is to transform a balanced load to an unbalanced source- this is called the common mode rejection ratio. Measuring the SWR does nothing to indicate the effectiveness of the balun. Nor does it indicate the insertion loss of the balun. Finally, wideband baluns are made from ferrite materials not iron powder. You are misleading hams.
@g0fvt4 жыл бұрын
I have previously constructed the type using two seperate ferrite cores, very succesfull, worth looking at W8JIs site. The core type here, perhaps an Amidon T200-2 does make good rf transformers, they were very popular for the purpose (despite being iron powder). My guess is that this will work for the impedance transformation but not attenuate common mode current much.