I heard that it will but at an annual cost.

Windows 10 LTSC gets support until 2027 Windows 10 IoT LTSC gets support until 2032

​@@mak_707If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't theft

​@ItsHonsk I see but it'll get progressively more expensive each year

Truly sucks when you only have a 11 years old 2013 dell laptop and can't use windows 11.

that aint random

That was me sorry

@@clichayed ah understandable

8.1 was lightweight. Great OS looking back.

@@0xD15EA5Ewas horrid. They literally skipped Windows 9 because 8 was so terrible “they wanted to start fresh”.

Solid plan! That was my plan as well, but I cut my time on Windows 10 short, when Microsoft started advertising Windows 11 with a fullscreen overlay on my desktop a month ago. I hate stuff like that getting in my way. I must say, choosing Kubuntu and sticking to the plethora of beginner friendly guides for it online has made the transition very smooth and easy. I already feel very familiar with the (inner) workings of Linux and it has re-kindled my passion for tinkering with the system in ways Windows 10 either did not allow or made really difficult and frustrating to do. Game support is also great with Steam and Lutris (singleplayer), I'm honestly enjoying PC gaming on Linux a lot more than I did on Windows 10 lately. But I can't speak to how well e-sports titles with heavy anti-cheat programs are supported...

Remember to go for Mint (Cinnamon) if it's your very first time jumping into Linux. Many newcomers make the mistake of choosing Ubuntu, Manjaro, Pop_OS, etc as their first distro because they are the most well-known names among non-linux users and end up with a horrible user experience and a bad first-impression.

Sam! Thanks for coming in.

have fun with sh1t apps and games though

​@@dieglhixMost games work (not all ofc, but more than on mac). Every now and then you run into something that doesn't work, but it's definitely not sh*t. With other apps, it's a bit hit and miss. There usually is an app or a script for what you need somewhere in the long forgotten forums-land, but it might not be pretty. Libreoffice is a bit janky, but gets the job done most of the time (once I tried to edit a giant-ass pdf file and it lagged like crazy until I changed some settings). Google docs is what I mostly use. Creatives might be in trouble if you're married to adobe or logic or such, but I do a lot of work with just gimp and figma. Hopefully now with demand increasing we'll get more better free options for things such as video editing in the coming years. And of course anything related to programming is a 1000 times better on linux. Hardware-wise, i've had more trouble on windows than on linux lately. Just last week my wifi stopped working randomly on windows only. So yea, depending on what you need, linux may suck or be the best decision of your life. But the basics are very much there already. Just don't expect to be able to do every specialized task without any trouble.

Well, Windows 7 was also still very popular, when support ended. Same with Windows XP. But still being the MOST popular Windows version upon EOL, that's indeed a new low for the adoption of Microsoft's latest OS! 🤣

It’s called capitalism. Pay money for “protection”. If ya know whud’s gud fo’ ya.

Definitely not my grandpa

And the 10% that is smart enough to not connect WinXP directly to the internet. A lot of industrial equipment is still using XP, and almost every company has a couple old machines or VM's running for that one piece of essential software that just doesn't work right on 64-bit.

​​@@jwstolkI have heard U.S. military also uses Windows XP

​@@jwstolkI know of one multi million dollar company that uses DOSbox to run it's manufacturing lines.

NASA is the biggest user of Amiga computer at this point.

you can switch back. Not sure if 11 is different since I already did, but go to Settings -> Update and Security -> View Update History, and from there I think there should be an option to restore 10 or delete the update. I think there was a button to switch back for me. Just be careful if you've been using it for some time, I guess

@@jojough8283 That only works if you roll back within 10 days of install. After that, you're looking at reloading Windows 10 from a restore point or a bootable drive.

You can re download the windows 10 iso and run the installation and select (keep all files) it will give you windows 10 but with all your drivers and stuff

Same

​@@jojough8283 it can revert, but it would destroy the win10 files, so you end up with a full reinstall. Had the same problem from win7 to 10

Win 7 user. Audio mixing rig is XP. I know a lot of audio mixers that still use XP. Better outputs before they ripped out all the support for Vista to current from the lawsuit.

We respect them all, they are the real ones and we shall protect them.

@@kiramacarovwe can't protect them from the virus tho

My grandparents’ computer runs windows 7. I don’t think it can even handle anything above 7 💀

​@@Incabsupport for what was ripped out? I'm curious about this, one would think better and newer software not available on XP would be preferred... unless it's for hardware compatibility?

10 is also alright, better than 8 and 11.

@@ItsNeverMe it is alright, but they half-assed with a lot of things, they made it more difficult to access legacy menus and settings. Somehow putting all control panel shortcuts in the new Settings was too difficult for them to implement. Dark mode in Explorer also took them years to implement, and even that is not perfect compared to just using custom themes with UXtheme Patcher.

@@Yonatan-jv8mv Tbh I always used Win10 till now, and I'm going to continue. Didn't have a pc when 7 and 8 where still around.

I think the saddest thing is how easily they could have fixed Windows 8 (but some manager shut them down I bet). All Microsoft had to do was a tablet and a desktop mode. Tablet mode means all applications open in the full screen mode etc. etc. and desktop mode all the apps open in the traditional desktop (even the Windows Store ) ones. But no, they butchered the complete execution and had the guts to remove the start menu.

Even then, Windows 7 took a while to be made good because it was nothing more than Windows Vista with the flaws ironed out.

and I'd be on windows 8.1

Run linux ohalf of the pc

I'd have a Machine Dual-Booting to XP and 7 for... legitimate reasons.

Saaaaaame!

I probably at 7 and 10

But that's not the modern Microsoft philosophy. Windows 7 was still a tool for the user to easily get their work done on their computer and nothing else. Windows 10 started out with that pretense, but was slowly creeped into a tool for Microsoft to extract as much revenue from the user as possible and Windows 11 now completely unapologetically serves the user whatever crap Microsoft wants them to swallow (and pay money or data for)!

bro, use rufus to burn win11 iso to USB and while you are doing it you can remove MS account requirement via rufus settings

Really, hmm need to explore that its super annoing in company envoirment

Just switch to Linux. It's much easier than ripping out all the unnecessary stuff Microsoft forces on you in Windows 11!

@LRM12o8 Well, rufus has 10 options total, donotspy11 does 99% of things with maybe 4 clicks, and i know linux "a bit", so yea... not for gaming... Check my avatar closely, its funny story 😄

Youll have the copilot spyware.

Saving Space Cadet was the 1st thing I did when Microsoft announced Space Cadet wouldn't be on future OS releases. I copied all the files needed for it on a thumb drive and have copies of it on all my PCs. I even have a copy on my work PC and sometimes play it on my lunch break.

im typing this from a windows xp machine, have it set up to purely play old minecraft and osrs

@@sakuyaizayoi8946Yooo

I have 2, thx :D

​@@sakuyaizayoi8946 dis you perhaps set it up in a dropbox? Or regular?

my pc doesn't even support windows 11

Mine doesn't support 10 but I made it work

oh no, how dare those guy refused to upgrade to Windows 11 we have Bing chat and making windows 11 the first "AI operating system", why everyone suddenly went back to windows 10?

​@@jensenraylight8011 because this AI trend is shit and so is W11

nah they don't give a shit about the consumer, they're just worried about the bottom line in a failing economy

Same! 🥹

We need windows 12 to have the clean design of 11 with the functionality of 10

definitely won't, i hope linux gets more native support

​@@zdsm.Exactly I've been saying the same thing I absolutely love the ui on windows 11 it's the functionality that is the issue imo

​@@zdsm.I like design of 10 much better

It won't. Microsoft's new philosophy is they own your Windows PC will push whatever makes them money on it! It's been this way since Bill Gates stepped down as CEO and now they've slow-boiled their users enough that they don't even need to pretend to offer an operating system for the user first and foremost anymore, like they did when they introduced Windows 10. Or so they think, at least. We will see... I for one have finally switched to Linux last month because of this philosophy being pushed so hard now and I'm never coming back!

Even if you build your own, a lot of cheaper OS licenses are being sold as single-use. So you theoretically have to buy a new license for every build and they are only selling Win11. To keep your old single-use license you have to use the phone verification system to say it’s not being used on another machine. Also there’s always some room for error on compatibility if drivers are being released with the latest OS in mind, the average person is going to want to err on the side of caution.

It's because steam will drop support for 8 and soon 10, might aswell upgrade to the newest version

Wouldn't stop bugging me to upgrade and I needed to learn what stupid stuff they hid behind extra clicks with this version.

win11 uses less memory than win10 on some hardware. its weird but its why I moved to win11 and stayed.

@@Lobsneaks I bought a win7 license 12 years ago and I still use it to install windows 11 on any computer. I just need to connect to my Microsoft account....

My 6600k media ^ Capable of doing pretty much any pc task at a more then sufficent level. It could easily run windows 11. But is lacking TPM so its doomed to getting friendly with penguins.

my laptop is terrible and it can run windows 11, but it runs everything at a lower framerate so i went back to windows 10

My PC with hardware from 2012 (only RAM upgeaded to 4x8 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz and a Samsung Evo Sata SSD) and a 1050 Ti is still going strong. I have a gaming laptop now, but my PC still runs all my games perfectly without having to lower quality, only the CPU would be at almost constant 100% when gaming.

Its about boosting intel more than anything. Intel shipped the last 7th gen processors in 2022, strangely exactly 4 years (the varranty time) later w10 wont be supported anymore... Its more about milking the customers than anything really.

I never stopped using windows 10

great reasoning, didn't think of that!

Absolutely my reason ! Windows 11 is just a ram hogger,

@@klrshak776windows 11 clean install uses only like 500 mb more than windows 10 did on my pc, so im pretty sure the ram hogg is just a you problem

Like I always say, Windows doesn't have more games because its good, it has more games because it is the most used. Doom 2 and the original Halo were both presented in Macs when they first saw the light. Why do we think Macs aren't for gaming then? Because its lower market share makes devs less motivated to develop for a platform that'll make them less money. If all users suddenly switched to Mac or Linux, then game devs would rush to port their games to those platforms.

And my PC came with W-10 but around the time manufacturers were refusing the intergrade the hardware needed to upgrade to W-11.

Good to know, win11 is dead to me

Yeah, on my primary display taskbar is on the right side, on my secondary display taskbar is on the left side. Why they removed such a feature which was available since Win95?!

@@zsombor_99 Probably because they wanted to shove widgets down our throats.

​@@vulpesdecinere972 you can turn the widgets panel off, so that definitely isn't it.

huh it does??

This isn't even really a requirement. Super easy to bypass

@@humanbeing9086 mine didn’t really work after the bypass, I had to rollback to Win10

@@mikumikuareka My laptop that said in settings that it didn't meet the requirements is running it currently

Long live the Windows 10!!

I was on 7 until all my options ran out so I had no choice but to go 10, a year ago.

yeah they pried it from mine. I set my computer settings to refuse automatic updates, but then I restart it one day as you do an it updated anyways with 0 option to revert it. Fucking annoying as hell

@@shadowflame2247yeah you can disable it with some changes that an end user should not have to do. But a company I work with had the same thing happen to them on some of their servers which bricked parts of their software (tho those servers used Win10Pro and not a version of windows server)

We shall stand strong, they will never pry it from our cold dead hands. But when that time comes we will fight it!

They really forced us from 7 to 10, and now want us to go to 11. They are fixing something that isn't broken.

Just use a bloatware free Image?

Thats fine... If you never go on the web. As far as I remember "modified installs" don't get security updates.

@@The_Keeper Yes they do? you mean feature updates, Revi, Atlas both get security updates, And Tiny11 gets all.

Not to mention how my power and sign-in settings used to freeze and crash the settings app.

they are betting on that we will go to 11 if we have no other choice. and I can kind of see where they are coming from. for most people that will probably be true.

I will try to hold on to 10 for as long as i can. but after that? I don't know yet. I could switch to linux but does linux support all the programs i use? or more importantly all the games? ^^" and even then its not simple to switch to linux while 11 is a literal button press for most people with 10.

Well my motherboard doesn't even support Win11 so I won't be switching anytime soon, unless Microsoft buys me a new mobo.

It should've been the "last windows" according to Microsoft themselves 😂

Also, just as an FYI windows 10 ltsc is supported until 2027 or so and windows 10 ltsc IOT until like 2032. You can do a quick and easy registry edit so that you can upgrade to the ltsc version without wiping data and then transfer to the IOT version using something like MAS_AIO, so you will have security updates for a while.

I don’t think that windows 12 will be good

The problem is you cant tell which version to skip. I'll be glad one day when were not so dependent on windows.

​@@Thegamer5x yeah, no way I'm getting along with all the AI stuff they're pushing to Windows users

​​@@HeidenLamjust wait till you greet with an AI powered lock screen, AI powered task bar that changes its position depending upon how you stare at the camera, and AI powered Microsoft Store that keeps installing 69 apps everyday depending upon your browser history, and finally, an AI powered virtual keyboard that opens Edge and searches your favourite genre of hub videos after studying your facial expressions!

I'm still on 10, I made my computer unable to upgrade itself automatically, it can't mess with me!

It very ironic that even My 7th intel cpu couldn't even update the new window 11

@@zsombor_99literally had to gut my computers ability to update to stop auto updates

@@Micheal310467th as in 7th gen? no shit your cpu can’t handle windows 11

You know you could've just rolled back to 10 from settings

if 11 feels baby mode then you should try gentoo

​@@enestekin2i've unironically switched to gentoo because there's more applications to install from the default "repo" than arch and debian combined lmao. plus they offer binaries now so you don't have to spend all 2 days waiting for libreoffice to compile lol

That doesn't make any sense 😂

Optimization on Windows 11 is horrible animations suck poor ram management slow loading speed also weird animations slow booting speed also why are most of the apps loading after i press them why aren't they preloaded i have 20 gb ram

@@mztahhan I experience none of that behavior. My boot times is seconds. You do realize you can easily disable animations and any other crap you don't want. Also, why would Windows start preloading apps that are not running or in use, makes no sense. If you talking about prefetch that functions different.

I can't blame you.

You can probably run a virtual machine or VM of the last windows 10 update for a few months or years, at least until steam or browsers stop supporting windows 10.

@@Maxsmack but why?

@@rabbidninja79 well VM inside Linux for anything that doesn't work inside Linux natively or having existing work arounds I assume they are talking about

Win 11 is better then 10 imo and I say this as some1 that has used 10 since beta AND also uses Arch Linux and MacOS

If AMD managed to up their game and Linux gaming wasn't such a pain, sure. But it is.

For gamers? God no. Linux is still a mess right now. It’s LEAGUES better than it used to be now because of Proton but most games with anticheat just don’t work, so I’m locked out of quite a few games in my library

​@@snowflaker3608 you probably should avoid games with invasive anti cheat anyways, so it isn't that big of a loss.

I actually liked windows 11, ran a lot smoother

@@hunterbear2421same I feel like it’s people trying to fit in with the hate

Nah XP is the G.O.A.T

@@Nick_Gir I kept XP so long that i went from XP to 10.

No XP and Windows 7 were the best. 10 was broken for about the first 2 years

Never had anything except 10 so yeah 😅

​@@doomisforuproblem: no one supports XP and 7 anymore Not to mention their default browser is a security liability

Meanwhile: Linux exists, and is free.

@@darkplainsdrifter3499 The only good thing in Linux is the claimed "freedom". Is that "freedom" the same one in _the great_ 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸, by any chance?

​​​@@darkplainsdrifter3499 Too complicated for the 90% of computer users, doesnt support software or games 5% of other computer users play/use. Linux in its current state is good for the other 5% though!

​@@darkplainsdrifter3499help make BeamNG actually playable on it

​@@hmwndpthere's no big tech company telling you what to do with your Linux distro. You can literally make your own if you don't like what others have to offer.

Yea, they said back then that Windows 10 would be the last Windows, built in such a modular way so they could update it indefinitely.

Technically they are true, as Windows 11 appears to be a random pile of useless and dangerous evil shite instead of an OS.

@@gaetanodepaola2ndchannel179 Also Window's 11 is worse than any of the Windows OS's in a LONG time.

@@gaetanodepaola2ndchannel179well, yes, Windows 11 _is_ technically WIndows 10, since both have the NT version number 10.0 (which you can see i.e. through CMD). also, unlike prior versions of Windows, EXPLORER.EXE isn't directly cross-compatible with another version (if you take, say, a Windows 7 Explorer and put it in Windows 8, it won't run), whereas Windows 10's Explorer _was_ (or is) still compatible with Windows 11 and worked almost flawlessly.

Profit never expires😅😅😅

Aren't they said this for 10 then made 11 anyway? 🙄

They never said this

​@@Codyslx yes they did when they released windows 10

@grigss3027 Microsoft never came out and ssid this ever. Find proof, cause the company never said this at any point.

​@SupremeCodyGaming bill gates said it on letterman

Your PC is fine, you just need to enable Firmware TPM in your BIOS to pass that requirement check. It took me less than a minute to do once I read up on how to do it.

@@oostin7759 I had looked in my bios (I have a gigabyte motherboard, not sure what model) and it wasn’t an option.

How good are the homebrew drivers for Nvidia cards on Linux because i'm seriously thinking about trying gaming on linux.

Only reason I'm on it is because of the longevity because it will last longer and my pc crashes on win 10 but nit 11

use the proprietary drivers for nvidia​@@michealpersicko9531

@@michealpersicko9531 i use a 1080ti with opensource drivers and it works pretty good the 20series also good but for every nvidia card you can just use the offcial driver from nvidia for linux

do not switch to linux as a gamer. This is coming from a linux user who hates windows with a passion.

I completely agree, I can’t believe it’s so. Difficult. So many squares!!

i dont understand why ppl are mad about win11, i dont really have any issues with it ( the only thing is one i try to uncompress rar archives) but i will be switching to linux one day

Windows 11 works just the same as W10 and even W7... no idea why people find navigating so bad in W11. you want your start button back in the left? W11 gives the option to change it back. People cry about the most idiotic things really. Search function and most quick buttons are still the same.

@@Klote3241 Seeing the entire System Settings menu all at once without a Registry tweak that has to be reset every Cumulative Update would turn my attitude around fairly quickly. They had Control Panel figured out in the Windows 98 days, now they have to mess with it to make it 'simpler', only no one with 30-40 years of Windows experience can show anyone new to computers how to do anything.

@@VKEvilution what are you on about control panel hasnt changed... its still the same as back from 98. (when you open control panel click on the top right view and set it to small icons)

Google "downgrade to Windows 10" if you aren't familiar with it, the first link should be a Microsoft support forum post - if did you an in-place upgrade from Win 10 to Win 11 and haven't manually deleted your recovery states, you should have a "go back" option under system > recovery.

My gaming pc can't even run it 😑

Contact Microsoft tell them how much you hate it, we can’t do anything unless we tell them how much it sucks and how we’ll switch to Linux(even if we won’t) because they have distributions that almost perfectly mimic the GUi and uses of windows 10

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Skufnut_Don’t forget to tell them why you don’t like it

Contact them, let them know you are consumer wants to keep using windows 10

TPM and RAM requirements can easily be disabled with Rufus or Ntlite. I am not sure if it helps with Valorant.

@@DeanSmith84 it doesn't , if your pc doesn't support tpm 2.0 you won't be able to play valorant and league of legends on windows 11 since now its running vanguard now too

It’s because it’s essentially spyware.

My guess is pre builds with Win11 already on them.

Try doing a local install and not logging in.

All those backdoor spying programs need a lot of CPU and resources.

It uses the same memory as 10 on idle, which is just under 50% of your total ram cap.

​@darkplainsdrifter3499 no it's literally just cached memory.

@@Codyslx Unless you aren't logged in. It uses the memory so it can leap back to life instantly, but if you use a local account and are logged out when you don't need it it isn't an issue.

Me for example with my 7 year old (back then) high end gaming pc I bought for 20€ used. It has an i7-6850K and a GTX 1080...

Your GPU doesn’t limit your ability to use 11. It’s rather your CPU. I have a GTX 1070.

@@goofyahdemoman1134 Yeah, so unless someone buys me a new motherboard + cpu, I'll stich with W10.