Windows | Microsoft's Biggest Mistake

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Microsoft Windows has had a tremendous impact on our lives. It’s everywhere we go and incorporated in places we wouldn’t even expect. But of course, it all has to start somewhere, and the very first ever version, Windows 1.0, blessed computer screens around the world in 1985. Especially nowadays, all these features it boasted in its marketing and product design, are let’s be honest, quite boring and really not remarkable, showcasing just how far we’ve gone and how much we take for granted today. But funnily enough, these features weren’t even that remarkable back in 1985! We often like to think of Windows as the pioneers of the computing sector, but at its launch, the product actually faced immense criticism for being nothing more than just a blatant rip-off of other operating systems at the time, particularly System 1 on the newly released Apple Macintosh. A rip-off that wasn’t even as good, as it would also ridiculed for its lackluster and at times unstable performance. But despite encountering all these bumps, Microsoft knew that they had something here and that their value proposition for Windows was something truly special, way too special to give up on right away. And today we are going to tell that story.
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@nationsquid 4 ай бұрын

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@jonahplayscello 4 ай бұрын

Cool

@fightingtable 4 ай бұрын

Nice

@atu7t 4 ай бұрын

This video was made 2 hours ago but this comment was made 1 day ago. Huh?

@jonahplayscello 4 ай бұрын

@@atu7tmost people upload the video as private then publish it later so youtube can process it

@WinMacLinux772 4 ай бұрын

Bro, I am using windows,

@phirenz 4 ай бұрын

The premise of this video is a little flawed. Windows 1.0 wasn't trying to compete against MacOS, even if that was a common comparison that journalists of the day made. Instead, Microsoft was desperately trying to compete against all the other GUIs that sat on top of DOS. It was a rapidly expanding market segment that arose in the wake of the Macintosh, and whoever one that race would gain a massive foothold and potentially de-throne Microsoft, replacing MS-DOS. We are talking about VisiCorp's Visi On, IBM's TopView, Digital Research's GEM and Lotus' Symphony. They all operated as regular programs running on top of DOS and had similar capabilities. Everyone has forgotten about these programs today, but that's because Microsoft's strategy with Windows worked.

@nikolaipasko 4 ай бұрын

Exactly. So i still don’t understand what was the biggest mistake for MS.

@chrisellis4400 4 ай бұрын

I'm not disagreeing with you but back in the day the Mac guys teased us PC by calling Windows "..a colourful clown-suit for DOS".

@asuka_the_void_witch 4 ай бұрын

woooooow i didnt know DOS had window managers like linux does hehehhe

@thejunkman 4 ай бұрын

@@chrisellis4400 Windows (and DOS) was for people that did work. MacOS was for people liked to think about the idea of working.

@gwgux 4 ай бұрын

I was going to post this. I was a kid in the 1980s, but was growing around around a lot of IBMers and many of them had their own GUI they preferred to run on top of DOS at the time when I was first learning about computers. Most of them never bothered with Windows until 3.1 came out.

@ThePeterDislikeShow 4 ай бұрын

When I was a kid I used to think the number "billion" was named after Bill Gates, because he was the first billionaire.

@staringcorgi6475 3 ай бұрын

That was rockefeller domestically speaking

@scoobooyt 3 ай бұрын

Logic checks out though

@user-in8qh3zf9d 2 ай бұрын

Ur a genius 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@GreatMossWater 11 күн бұрын

Full name is Billionaire Gates

@Emancipatriot 4 ай бұрын

Windows and Mac were both products of bill and Steve seeing the xerox machines. Glad you brought them up. It’s a shame Xerox never really got into the game themselves. They stuck with their own corner of the market.

@judewestburner 4 ай бұрын

Yeah paper copying 😀

@kreuner11 4 ай бұрын

They were netbooting via Ethernet in the 70s, crazy stuff

@2crude2crudeofficialband3 4 ай бұрын

Xerox’s GUI was never going to be a commercial product for average consumers. The parts alone for an Alto cost $13,000 so if it had gone commercial it would have been probably around $25,000. There was the Star later on but that was a really expensive high-end workstation that, again, wasn’t aimed at consumers.

@I.____.....__...__ 4 ай бұрын

@@2crude2crudeofficialband3 Corporations, including are so ravenous to patent stuff, it's baffling that they didn't paten the heck out of the WIMP paradigm. 🤨

@mackback319 4 ай бұрын

we need to remake Steve Ballmer Sells Dirty Windows with the little Gill Bates intro

@bibasik7 4 ай бұрын

cs188 is a national treasure

@JojiteFoxxo666 4 ай бұрын

and IT'S WWWIIINNNDDDOOOWWWSSS!!! don't forget that one.

@A_ARAFAT 4 ай бұрын

"It's an Incredible P.O.S from Microsoft ORDER TODAY!! " -From that cs188 video. also, the "Steve Ballmer Sells Clean Windows."

@timbledon32 4 ай бұрын

e x c e p t f o r n e b r a s k a

@JojiteFoxxo666 4 ай бұрын

@@A_ARAFAT "ORDER A SOFT TACO TODAY!"

@Chuck_vs._The_Comment_Section 4 ай бұрын

I'm almost at the end of the video now and I still haven't figured out why Windows was supposedly Microsoft's biggest mistake. I would argue that Windows in general, and version 3 in particular, was an absolute godsend for MS. With this operating system they were able to displace their competitors, establish themselves as a monopolist and eventually become one of the most valuable companies in the world. But what do I know? I'm not a wide-reaching KZfaqr, I'm just someone who has been intensively involved and informed about these events as a hobby.

@medes5597 4 ай бұрын

There's a lot of errors in this video, the fact he didn't justify the title is the least of its worries. Like all modern day retrospectives by people who don't know what they're talking about, it overstates the mac and its success and influence, acts like jobs accusing windows of copying him was justified and not something that even his closest advisors thought was insane because GUIs were literally the thing everyone in the valley was working on (like AI today basically), it gives the macintosh a cachet it didn't have (it wasn't considered the punk rock machine, it was considered a safe business computer that was underpowered for that task and over priced, so no one bought one. And so on.

@I.____.....__...__ 4 ай бұрын

@@medes5597 Meh, at least the kid is trying. Most zoomers don't even know anything before 2000 exists, they think the world popped into existence after they were born. 🙄 Most people are like that to some degree, but zoomers are exceptionally about that. 😒 They think the stuff that references older stuff IS the real stuff instead of just an allusion. 🤦

@lemonedtoast 4 ай бұрын

@@I.____.....__...__ that is the cringiest generalization

@nikolaipasko 4 ай бұрын

@@I.____.....__...__ Yeah, you don't tell. Just imagine that people nowadays don't know that exactly the same was being told about Generation Y. And about Generation X before that...

@mchenrynick 3 ай бұрын

@@medes5597 He never mentions or shows GEOS on the Commodore 64 either...

@bchristian85 4 ай бұрын

Windows didn't really become popular until 3.0. 2.x was a little better than 1.0, but it still wasn't overly popular.

@CommodoreFan64 4 ай бұрын

Yep, and when Win 3.11 for Workgroups came out it really blew up making networking easier.

@bchristian85 4 ай бұрын

This had a lot to do with it. Win 3.11 for Workgroups became ubiquitous in offices in the early to mid 90s. More people wanted Windows at home because they became used to using it at work.@@CommodoreFan64

@I.____.....__...__ 4 ай бұрын

Windows 1 (ie Windows Executive) was just DOSShell++. 😒 (But it didn't even have the Hot Pink color-scheme. 🤦)

@mchenrynick 3 ай бұрын

More specifically, Windows 3.1 in 1992. I took a computer applications course at a business college in 1991, and everything was in MS-DOS without using the Windows GUI. This was the industry standard back then.

@hullstar242 4 ай бұрын

Then original macOS wasn’t exactly watered down xerox os. There’s an example of an software engineer that swears he saw overlapping windows on Xerox’s computer so he tried to recreate it and did successfully because he believed it to be possible just to find out later xerox had not figured out overlapping windows yet. He had just remembered wrong! I’m pretty sure it was in the Steve Jobs book by Walter you cited,

@matticolo 4 ай бұрын

I know, but the Macintosh is still called “The biggest theft in computer history” (or something like this), it was Xerox’s innovations after all. But according to Steve Job’s biography, they actually bought that technology, not stole it, as they actually made a deal with Xerox to enter the PARC.

@Epic_C 4 ай бұрын

Xerox never took it to market, and apparently their executives didn't want to put more time and resources into it. Xerox had something but they never moved forward with it. Thus Jobs took the idea they were not going forward with and made it his own. Then Microsoft blatantly stole the ideas that Jobs was running with when they were trying to work with them for the Office products.

@henryfleischer404 4 ай бұрын

@@Epic_C " Xerox had something but they never moved forward with it. " Pretty much sums up Xerox Parc Alto.

@judewestburner 4 ай бұрын

How beautiful is that little twist of history

@lucymorrison 4 ай бұрын

The early days of personal computing were just companies copying what other companies copied and the cycle repeating

@pmarprj2108 4 ай бұрын

Windows 9x being called an MS-DOS program is a glaring error that almost every video gets wrong 9x just uses MS-DOS as a bootloader, and has its own kernel and includes MS-DOS virtualization its the same as the relation between GRUB and Linux

@thunderbolt10031 4 ай бұрын

You are absolutely correct. This is why you couldn’t simply exit to DOS, you had to reboot your PC to enter DOS.

@nickwallette6201 4 ай бұрын

This really bothers me, too. It's a sentiment that has been repeated for years, mostly out of ignorance. There aren't that many people in the world that truly understand how the Windows kernel really worked back then, so it's just easier to parrot the existing cargo-cult wisdom. I get it. But it's still not technically accurate, and it's unfortunate that it gets carried forward now, even when people like Raymond Chen have gone on the record with better detail. If it keeps getting repeated enough, it'll become "the truth" just by sheer volume and a dwindling population left to dispel the myth.

@I.____.....__...__ 4 ай бұрын

@@nickwallette6201 Except for the fact that you could boot into DOS and type "win" to run Windows, just like every other DOS program. So in what way does that not count as a "DOS program"? 🤨 Technical details are irrelevant to anyone but devs; for all intents and purposes, Windows was a DOS program. 🤷 Arguing it's not is like trying to argue that COM files aren't EXE files because they don't include a header, start at offset 100h, and must be

@nickwallette6201 4 ай бұрын

@@I.____.....__...__ Around 2000, Be Inc. released BeOS 5 - an alternative OS written from scratch. Not Unix. Not DOS. Not Windows. A totally bespoke kernel, a proprietary file system, its own set of system services that BeOS applications could use for networking, multimedia, printing, etc. But, of course, being a new, from-scratch OS, it had a limited pool of applications, so even though it made the of-the-time limited hardware fly like nothing else you would’ve seen at the time, it didn’t take over the market. So they tried to coexist. They even released BeOS 5 Personal Edition - free. The main limitation is that it lived in a 500MB image file. You couldn’t install it to a disk partition like the Pro Edition. It seemed fair, for a free OS. To launch it, you had an icon on your existing Windows desktop. It would shut down Windows and launch the BeOS kernel, and you could use it like any other full OS. It just happened to reside in a large file on a FAT volume. But, I guess, since you had to execute the file from Windows, that would make this whole OS just a “Windows program”? And since, as you say, Win9x was just a DOS program itself, that would make this 32-bit, preemptive multitasking, real-time OS itself … just “a DOS program.” Got it. Facts don’t matter. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but says “made it China” on it, it’s still definitely a genuine duck. 🤷‍♂️

@nickwallette6201 4 ай бұрын

@@I.____.....__...__ By the way, BAT files execute, too. If you want to be generous, so do SCR and PIF files. If you double-click on a WRI file that is associated with Write, it will launch that application. Those are all exe files too then, I suppose? Ergo, my Excel spreadsheets are DOS programs?

@adamsfusion 4 ай бұрын

14:42 this is strictly untrue. Windows 95 and upward were full OS's, _not_ operating environments on top of DOS. While there is an MS-DOS layer that starts the system, when the GUI starts, it unloads MS-DOS and reloads it as a 16-bit compatibility layer within dedicated virtual machines (VDMs). By the time you saw the Windows' logo, you were no longer in MS-DOS at all.

@Thiesi 4 ай бұрын

In addition, Windows 2000 was the first version of Windows to start without DOS that also had a consumer-targeted edition meant for home use, not Windows XP.

@somedudenamedzack 3 ай бұрын

This is actually true. Windows 95 ran on top of MS-DOS 7.0 just like windows 3.1, but win 95 came bundled with DOS 7.0 and it starts automatically. What you’re thinking of is windows NT, which was it’s own OS.

@somedudenamedzack 3 ай бұрын

@@Thiesiit was windows NT 3.1 that was the first to not need DOS, not win 2k

@Thiesi 3 ай бұрын

@@somedudenamedzack Right. So what was the _consumer-targeted edition meant for home use_ of Windows NT? Oh, there was none.

@somedudenamedzack 3 ай бұрын

@@Thiesi I misunderstood your first comment, sorry. But the “home edition” of win 2k was Win ME, which was still DOS-based (DOS 8.0). Win XP Home edition was the first consumer targeted version of windows based on win NT, as win 2k was still targeted towards professionals, workstations, servers, etc.

@jonahplayscello 4 ай бұрын

Finally, a normal upload rather than a premiere

@captainpoptarts 4 ай бұрын

Makes it easier to download so i can save it for later Yay

@jonahplayscello 4 ай бұрын

@@captainpoptartsdo you have premium or something?

@MizunoKetsuban 4 ай бұрын

Why exactly does it matter one way or another?

@jonahplayscello 4 ай бұрын

@@MizunoKetsubanbecause now we can play it at 2x speed and can skip the sponsor segment

@Terryfromsoul 4 ай бұрын

FR FR

@kaitlyn__L 4 ай бұрын

That lower energy delivery of Ballmer’s joke video is actually even funnier than the original. Well done

@PipiRoe 3 ай бұрын

So why was it Microsoft's biggest mistake?

@matthewrobinson1699 Ай бұрын

My bet is that it almost failed.

@JamesR624 4 ай бұрын

How fitting that this video, about the very start of “Personal Computing” is uploaded the same day all the reviews of and the dawn of “Spatial Computing” are revealed. I think of the 4 waves like this: - Computing (IBM Mainframes, etc) 1940s-1970s - Personal Computing (The Commodore, The Mac, Windows PC, etc) 1970’s-2000’s - Mobile Computing (BlackBerry, The Sidekick, iPhone, Android, etc.) 2000’s-2020s - Spatial Computing (Vision Pro, ???, ???, etc) 2020s-20?? And my god, the sheer poetic irony that the very first GUI demo that inspired what became Windows and what people know as personal computing was called “VisiOn”? Wow

@jescis0 4 ай бұрын

The Mac was 1980's(starting in 1984), Apple ][ was '77 to '86(Apple IIGS was a couple years after the Mac and was in COLOR, with a GUI), Macintosh was initially only Black and white…

@kittenzrulz2314 4 ай бұрын

Quest 3 can easily fit into the spacial computing wave (it runs full android apps)

@medes5597 4 ай бұрын

The first GUI demo was called "the mother of all demos", Jobs and Gates were both cribbing from Xerox Alto/Star, and VisiOn was a product that bankrupted the inventors of VisiCalc. Gates just realised that GUIs on top of DOS was something he needed to get in sooner than he'd intended to after seeing a demo of it. Microsoft had always had the idea of a GUI for IBM compatibles because practically every company thought GUIs were on the way. And I remain unconvinced that spatial computing is going to be a dominant market sector. Edit - and I take huge issue with your waves concept. People were still asking if "personal home computers" were even a thing in _1990_ , and it massively overstates how popular computers were pre-Windows 95 and how influential the Internet was. Your first wave needs to be divided into three at minimum.

@MickeyMousePark 4 ай бұрын

1984-1985 was a software/hardware arms race...Top 3 manufactures were Apple--Tandy--Commodore (Apple and Tandy were swapping first and second place a few times..Tandy becoming the leader until the late 1980s...Commodore solid 3rd with the C-64)...Apple was first with a graphical environment in January 1984 and Tandy was second in November 1984 with DeskMate and Microsoft Windows trailing a year later

@helljumper912 4 ай бұрын

"Oh, that's really cool and interesting" said no one fucking ever.

@MickeyMousePark 4 ай бұрын

@@helljumper912 agreed just trivia context for that period of time from the video..

@D.S69 4 ай бұрын

that is cool and intresting

@Senor_Gago 4 ай бұрын

Oh, that's really cool and interesting

@lions_mane_jellyfish 4 ай бұрын

That is very cool and interesting!

@JeffRyman69 4 ай бұрын

My first PC (a 286 white box system) in 1987 had an EGA card and monitor. A copy of Windows 1.x was included with the EGA card. I never installed it. It was simply an overlay on MS-DOS that I didn't need because I understood how to use MS-DOS commands.

@helljumper912 4 ай бұрын

I have a cookie for you here. It's really tasty, made with no-one gives a fuck

@I.____.....__...__ 4 ай бұрын

EGA? Ah, lucky. I struggled to get PC Painbrush (later renamed MSPaint) to run at all, let alone with a mouse (stupid frieze loader), and use it in CGA, disappointed that cyan, red, black, and white wouldn't make for very interesting graphics. Then disappointed again when PCPaint wasn't any better. I still like _Life&Death_ despite the same CGA color palette though.

@DanielleWhite 2 ай бұрын

I had a Leading Edge 286 and was given a copy of Windows 2.1. I did install it to do what it was and removed it not long after.

@chomskyan4life 4 ай бұрын

Calling Apple "punk" is like calling Kissinger a humanitarian.

@CommodoreFan64 4 ай бұрын

if anyone in the computing space at the time could have been called a "punk" it was Commodore with the Amiga line, that was ahead of both Apple, and Microsoft. Hell even Atari was ahead with the ST line in what they could do compared to MS, and Apple.

@vikingthedude 4 ай бұрын

13:09 Scary how younger Gates looked so much like Zucc

@pencilcase8068 4 ай бұрын

They are all lizard men trying to take over the work

@ChinchillaJimmy 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, this wasn't the title I had in mind... Damn, 36 seconds ago

@danielvest9602 4 ай бұрын

Windows was not an operating system until 1995 - it was just a windowing system overlay on msdos

@DustinBernier 4 ай бұрын

correct, and I hated it. lol. DOS4LIFE

@ryanmclaren8570 4 ай бұрын

Who calls a command line ugly??? The command line is a beautiful interface

@dracoix 4 ай бұрын

I WAS going to sleep, but then NS releases a video. I guess I can wait another 20mins.

@fayelinae 4 ай бұрын

I love that there's something Beatles-related in every single video of yours :D Edit: Ha! 10:56, I knew it!

@LatiLag 4 ай бұрын

Xerox Alto from 1973 is the definitive milestone for the current definition of "personal computer": his design, his GUI (the "What You See Is What You Get" philosophy, the very first bitmap PAINT program ecc..) the entirely concept of Alto was pure revolution. Now we are at a new turning point with the Apple Vision and his "spatial computing" idea?

@ChinchillaJimmy 4 ай бұрын

I love how he's attempting humor and it's successful

@GSutton 3 ай бұрын

Everyone's talking about the history of personal computers, but I just want to know the answer to that eternal question: do you choose the hard or soft option?

@henryfleischer404 4 ай бұрын

Early windows sounds a lot like X11 or Wayland along with a Desktop Environment. It's kind of funny how Linux still has that architecture, although it makes sense considering how the OS is developed. I wonder if OSX does, I could swear I saw something like a Linux TTY on OSX Snow Leopard once.

@kittenzrulz2314 4 ай бұрын

It makes sense when you think about it, Linux not being integrated with any desktop allows developers to make whatever DE or WM they want and distro developers choose which one/ones to maintain for the distro.

@nickwallette6201 4 ай бұрын

No, they aren't particularly similar. For one, Unix of course already existed, and Microsoft even had their own flavor of it. It didn't take off on the PC, largely because its core strengths didn't scale well down to the current state of personal computer hardware. The similarities to X were superficial -- they both presented graphics to a user, and accepted input from the user. They both were used with core desktop utilities featuring a similar look, like the clock and calculator. But at the time, that aesthetic similarity was mostly because the system's graphics performance could only accommodate basic lines and shapes. Style and personality was a luxury nobody had. Polygons in the shape of a clock face could scale better than the built-in bitmap fonts could. But in the way they worked, the philosophy of the architecture, they were as different as two environments could be. However, yes, OS X has a lot more in common with Linux / Unix. There is a lot about OS X's architecture that is based on POSIX. The kernel derives from Unix. The file system layout does too. The primary command-line interface runs a shell like those found in typical Linux distros. Apple even had their own X server, which I've used to run applications from Linux. I also do quite a bit of coding in C that I keep in a Subversion repo and transfer back and forth between Mac and Linux. I aim to have everything compile and run under Linux with gcc and Mac with clang, unless it's designed to run specifically on one OS or the other, and with the exception of features that are unique to the platform, that takes very little effort to do. Ditto perl and a few shell scripts.

@sashakoshka 2 ай бұрын

early windows has nothing in common with X or wayland. windows programs were more like plugins, and multitasking was managed by windows and not DOS. the reason for this is that DOS doesn't really have a concept of multitasking and can only run one program at once. windows wasn't just a windowing system, it was a operating system-ish thing that ran on top of the real operating system. on linux/unix, multitasking is already implemented by the OS and the window server is a program that communicates with concurrently running client programs using a network socket and shared memory. this allows for a greater degree of versatility and modularity, something that windows lacks even today.

@trevgauntletneu_gaming 4 ай бұрын

In an alternate timeline: Prepare to open the potential of your computer: Macrohard Doors.

@infernal-toad 4 ай бұрын

I honestly feel like it’s too early to make a documentary video about Windows 10 and 11, so seeing you talk about the very first windows version is a blessing.

@Justin-Hill-1987 4 ай бұрын

Apple was the "Pepsi" to Microsoft and IBM's "Coke." That's not just because John Sculley worked for both Pepsi and Apple, either!

@nikolaipasko 4 ай бұрын

Struggled through the whole video of well-known facts and didn’t get the answer to the question posed in the title. :(

@DevJeremi 4 ай бұрын

"Operating Environment" ? I think that more proper term is "Desktop Environment" - this is how stuff like Gnome, KDE, etc. ("Windows 1.0" for Linux) are called.

@steeviebops 3 ай бұрын

"Windows 1.0" for Linux - sounds like tiling window managers to me!

@sneezyrider1 3 ай бұрын

Apple didn't 'have an idea' for GUI software. They just took the idea from Xerox's dev team at Xerox Parc.

@sweetbabyalaska 4 ай бұрын

You should talk about some of the Linux lore at some point. Its honestly really rich and interesting

@win_ini 4 ай бұрын

3:55 skip the sponsor

@Rivaldofelpsnapelvis 3 ай бұрын

I think it will be great to see you cover other tech stories, like the story of the comodore amiga, gpl license, sun microsystems, SGI, linux distros histories. I don't know if it falls off the limits of this channel but still it would be fun to watch.

@CookyMonzta 4 ай бұрын

For many of us who couldn't afford an MS-DOS machine or a Mac, there was a third option (and a 4th, and a 5th): (1) *Amiga,* later to be bought by Commodore, had its own GUI operating system; (2) *Atari ST,* the next generation of Atari machines (following the 400, 800, 600XL and 1200XL), had its own GUI; (3) *GEOS,* a GUI environment made for the Commodore 64, at a time when the price of a C64 dropped to as low as $199. In 1990 GeoWorks followed up GEOS with a GUI environment for DOS; but if they were competing with Windows, they were too late when Win3.0 became a game-changer for Micro$oft.

@gabe_s_videos 4 ай бұрын

I now understand the line in Epic Rap Battles of History: Steve Jobs vs. Bill Gates about "the GUI that Melinda (Gates) uses."

@chickennoodlesoup2794 4 ай бұрын

So excited for this! Love this channel!

@ACatCalledSnow 4 ай бұрын

Can you also do a video about the Commodore Amiga home computer, Workbench, and how advanced it all was for the time? Before sadly failing. Keep up the good work.

@gamingthunder6305 4 ай бұрын

windows only did task switching till win95 and so did the mac. amiga was the first computer that had a true multi tasking OS in 1985. win 95 only used dos as a boot loader and was otherwise a full OS. dos was actually very easy to use compared to any windows or a mac and was not the reason why MS won the OS wars but because intel and windows was just so much cheaper compared to a mac. dos and windows also had much better software, printer and with windows 3.11 networking support. and the biggest reason why windows got ahead was piracy. you could get anything you wanted including windows from a friend or a friend of a friend.

@Randy.E.R 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video. Not sure how it wound up in my feed, but I was glad that I watched it. You know, I didn’t get my first PC until 1996 when I was 32 years old. It seemed everyone had a computer except me, so I felt left out. I had no need for a PC and had no clue how to use one. I guess it was one of those things that I felt like I needed in my home. My brother gave me my first PC and set it up in our home, a Gateway with Windows 95. After he left, my wife and I were like “okay, what the hell do we do with it?” Our daughter player solitaire on it from time to time, but for the most part it sat there looking pretty. Long story short, I never got into owning a PC since my job rarely requires the use of a computer. Last year my brother bought me a Macbook. For some reason, he has bought every computer that’s ever been in my home. I don’t know what happened, but I absolutely love that Macbook. I have no explanation why it took me 27 years to start enjoying having a computer. Thanks to your video I understand the evolution a little better

@joeplayedthis Ай бұрын

I love reference made at 10:56 to the interview scene from A Hard Day's Night! Well done!

@joojoojeejee6058 4 ай бұрын

Macintosh was a niche computer and the vast majority of people certainly did not care. Besides, the 1st gen Macintosh certainly wasn't very advanced technologically, irrespective of its modern GUI. IBM PC (compatibles) was the industry standard and has remained so until today. The MDA text mode was slick and crisp, and people didn't mind until the early 1990s when computers became powerful enough for meaningful GUI operations at every price point. Besides, apps themselves could have graphics and GUIs even in the DOS environment. Multitasking just wasn't a thing that people needed at the time and computers weren't really powerful enough for it.

@nickwallette6201 4 ай бұрын

Most of this is correct, but if you read periodicals from the time, and watch media coverage (e.g., Computer Chronicles), I would say that "the vast majority of people certainly did not care" is not true at all. The Mac never had the market share of the PC, for sure. But the influence of its entry in the marketplace was absolutely undeniable. Almost _everyone_ cared, and the word "Macintosh" was on everyone's lips back in the day. They almost lost it there for a while, until Jobs came back and unveiled the iMac. But even when Windows 95 dropped -- a huge milestone in computing history -- everyone was talking about how it compared to System 7.

@joojoojeejee6058 4 ай бұрын

@@nickwallette6201 Mac was a thing, but its market share was nowhere near PC compatibles, especially here in Europe. Basically nobody used it here in Finland, unless for some very niche purposes such as desktop publishing, who knows. It certainly wasn't mainstream! We did KNOW of it, but it was something very distant, not relevant in our society. Apple II was even less popular, pretty much non-existent, so Apple didn't really have any foundation to build on here in Finland and Europe. Did they even make a PAL version of that machine? I don't know. I remember that the graphics mode was quite NTSC specific? Anyway, still today Apple is nowhere near as big here as it is in the USA. iPhone's market share is under 30% and Mac's is certainly much less.

@pixelcrow_ 4 ай бұрын

NO WAY ME AND DAD WERE SITTING HERE WATCHING UR VIDEOS WHE I CHECK MY PHONE AND SEE U UPLOADED LESSGOO

@jensonbuttonfan 3 ай бұрын

I am not a windows user since 2010, but I do remember ppl using 3.1 in late 80s, Windows was already popular that time because of Apples demise with the macintosh when entering the 90s. Internet in mid 90s solidified its dominance when Windows 95 came

@DanielleWhite 2 ай бұрын

FWIW Windows 3.0 was released in 1990 and 3.1 in 1992.

@UncleKennybobs 3 ай бұрын

I never once thought that Mac had the first GUI

@chriswatts3697 4 ай бұрын

Well, the GUI was not new. It wasn't available for everyone, but it was known. There were a lot of reports about LISA before the Mac started. So people that were interested knew about a mouse and a GUI. And in the end, the Alto was a computer 1975 showing that a GUI is interesting. But not too many people could get to the usage of an Alto.

@georgeh6856 4 ай бұрын

1. A lot early home computers from the 1970 and 80s, like those mocked in this video, used the BASIC interpreter as their interface. On most of those systems, that BASIC was created by Microsoft. 2. MS-DOS was not created by Microsoft; Microsoft bought it and then licensed it to IBM for the PC. MS before that was mainly a BASIC interpreter company. 3. Preemptive multitasking did not come to consumer Windows until 2001. But it didn't come to Macintosh either until 2001. It was built into AmigaOS in 1985 and IBM OS/2 in 1987.

@astronautwashere 4 ай бұрын

1:03 did anyone else see the face there? and i don't mean nationsquid's face, the one behind edit its the damn painting

@alonebysunset 4 ай бұрын

no, the first ever computer to have a GUI was the NLS/oNLine System from 1968, which was also the first time a mouse ever showed up. this was from a demo called the "mother of all demos" by Dr. Engelbart if I have the spelling correct, and was a 1 of a kind system, but for $32k in 1973 money, who are they selling the Altos to?

@Mohammedhk876 4 ай бұрын

14:52 the files on the desktop💀💀

@felixmckinney7132 4 ай бұрын

I saw the thumbnail while looking at another which was one of those True Scary stories videos. Imagine my concern when I saw the words “We failed.” Right below it

@GilbertoFerreira 4 ай бұрын

I just wanna say one thing: AmigaOS!

@borjie2727 3 ай бұрын

Thank you Mister Bates for showing us this video.

@ez45 4 ай бұрын

The Macintosh was not Apple's first computer with a GUI. Not by a long shot, the project started when the Lisa was already shipping. It is modern propaganda that hyped the Apple Macintosh in the minds of people, and only because it was Steve Jobs' personal pet project. The II GS was the superior product.

@perejurado1478 3 ай бұрын

I loved the reference to Pet Shop Boys' "West end girls". Great video.

@bloodystatic4156 4 ай бұрын

Did you forget the fact that the Antikthera mechanism exists?!?

@ChinchillaJimmy 4 ай бұрын

The early windows clock kinda looks like pixel art from a five year old lol

@dhpbear2 4 ай бұрын

15:13 - I notice the MS-DOS screen 'underneath' Windows 1.0! Was this a 'feature'?

@Super_dada06 4 ай бұрын

had never heard GUI as gooey

@fightingtable 4 ай бұрын

My day has been made better already, thanks

@Root__314 4 ай бұрын

It's interesting how users wanted a GUI, but now some people deliberately search out CLI OSs. I find Vim easier to use than notepad and nano, for instance. The keyboard is still a better and the primary input device of a computer in this form factor.

@aruan7sp 4 ай бұрын

I feel like Windows 2 is even more forgotten than its predecessor. At least Windows 1 has the legacy of being the first one, even if it wasn't good.

@flatzoney 4 ай бұрын

Another fire nation vid. Never fails to keep me up at night watching high quality content lol.

@mchenrynick 3 ай бұрын

13:45 What's with the lyrics to Pet Shop Boys' "West End Girls"???

@limethatphonecollector1289 4 ай бұрын

gill bates is crazy lol

@keylanoslokj1806 4 ай бұрын

A greedy jabber misanthrope crazy? 😂

@ceebee23 4 ай бұрын

in the DOS space was IBM's VisionON and of course Digital Research's GEM which was a real threat to MS.

@kebab_hill 4 ай бұрын

Windows XP was not the first Windows "Operating System" it was way more further than that To simply put, what makes an OS an OS is that it has it's own kernel, in this case, Windows 9X kernels had protected mode which made it possible to run a bunch of programs in fact, the first thing to fully introduce this was Windows 3.0 which is the first Windows first success to the market. Now, even with it requiring MS-DOS, it still is an Operating System, because MS-DOS is just the bootloader for Windows from 3.0 to ME, to explain this, MS-DOS boots "WIN,COM" which is commonly in the folder named "WINDOWS" now when that's loaded, the DOS's kernel is simply out, and it introduces the 9X kernel, now, as to why Windows 9x was able to use MS-DOS while running it is another explanation. In the NT Family, the first ever should be "Windows NT 3.1" as it is the first Windows OS to ever use the NT Kernel, but even with that, it works the same way as how MS-DOS boots Windows 9X, and yes, the NT Kernel has a similar MS-DOS that boots up Windows, except, more complicated and advanced which what drove Windows XP to success. and if you do think about it, ever since Windows became an operating system, it drove the thing into success.

@darthsidusfan 4 ай бұрын

10AM reverse colonoscopy appointment 12PM Burn restraining order If i didn't just catch it would have totally snuck past me 14:36

@raxadian 4 ай бұрын

Actually computers in 1985 were really expensive it was until almost a decade later that prices were much more reasonable, just in time for Windows 95 to take the world by storm.

@matthewwilde5222 4 ай бұрын

Nice In the Loop reference in your ad read 👀

@k4jusz3k 4 ай бұрын

i love how this video was uploaded at 5am in my country

@daneiyt5646 15 күн бұрын

Something about the thumbnail was so subtle so Perfect god damn Mr Squid.

@tharii314 3 ай бұрын

Laughed so hard at the command line frustration snippets "I JUST WANT TO RUN WORDSTAR DAMMIT"

@DanielleWhite 2 ай бұрын

Loving the reference at 16:53.

@Teilz. 3 ай бұрын

Happy to see a little cameo of Michael MJD

@iwanttocomplain 4 ай бұрын

The original Mac had 128KB of ram. So Mac OS1 was probably less than 64KB resident in memory. That's kind of impressive. Reading the wiki, the Mac had a 64KB rom containing QuickDraw graphic libraries and api. Another interesting tidbit from the article is that the Mac project was stared by Jef Raskin who worked on it for two years before Jobs took over the project himself. Given that his Lisa project was not commercially viable.

@ENEL7 Ай бұрын

GUI = gooey is just too funny I love it

@oldman6688 3 ай бұрын

I would have liked to see you discuss the Amiga more.

@rays7805 5 күн бұрын

The parts where you talk about command lines versus GUI's should be required viewing for everyone in charge of a Linux distro.

@bradbaby 4 ай бұрын

Was that a sneaky In the Loop reference in the ad of all things?

@s_ludge 4 ай бұрын

"MacIntosh was for the rebels, those who were sticking it to the man. It was the punk rock of computers." Not something I'd expect to hear, especially in the current year haha. Great video as always, that skit as Bill Gates was hilarious and I always appreciate your accompanying visuals.

@nickwallette6201 4 ай бұрын

Not exactly true, either. Apple was very much poking IBM in the eye, sure. But the people that used it weren't doing so because they thought it was cool. That was a motif that developed because the niche that the Macintosh developed was better suited to creative industries, where IBM PCs catered to business needs. Nobody using a computer was "punk rock" at the time.

@Allen.Christian 4 ай бұрын

The Xerox Star was absolutely released commercially.

@Lanier2369 4 ай бұрын

Michael mjd did a video on the Steve Ballmer Windows one commercial. I'm forgetting the details since it's been a little while since I've seen it but the gist of it was that it was a parody ad created... For Microsoft employees I think just for laughs. The video was titled is easy to find.

@greglovekamp 4 ай бұрын

How much did Microsoft kick your way to help them revise history? Even in Gates’ TV analogy, Jobs had “stolen” from Xerox FIRST. Gates was “enlightened” by designing for Macintosh, not studying the same GUI mindset for years. I enjoy youth and enthusiasm, but not when that attempts to subvert truth known to those of us who lived through those times.

@matt.w Ай бұрын

The way you pronaunce GUI pains me.

@joojoojeejee6058 4 ай бұрын

The user interface was crude in early computers, but quite simple in its crudeness, as were computers in general. So I don't think it's not that regular people had a difficult time of learning simple commands and tasks, it was arguably more about the lack of purpose and killer-apps. Except gaming, of course.

@firered88 4 ай бұрын

Hi Nation ❤

@baspostscrap 2 ай бұрын

Nobody is talking about that Nickelodeon Blimp 💀(yes i know what that is, it is a prize from the kids choice awards)

@Bush_Dog777 Ай бұрын

Where, when

@mchenrynick 3 ай бұрын

Windows 3.1.1 was the first version widely used by the masses.

@EffVMusic 4 ай бұрын

Oh my God it's G-U-I. Just the letters. Not "gooey" that's so wrong it hurt my soul

@brianpaul5667 4 ай бұрын

What about its tiny black and white screen give this a warm personality? Better off going with amiga os between 87 to 93 cause you get a multitasking os and dont take a step backwards by dumping color computing right after it became a thing. These old macs just make me feel bad for color blind people.

@DurpMustard 2 ай бұрын

Why does bro sound like Bill Gates impersonating GLaDOS in the intro wtf

@dhpbear2 4 ай бұрын

13:45 - I remember detractors saying that Windows (3.1 at the time) was not an operating system, it was a *PROGRAM* ! I tend to agree. Back in the days of MS-DOS, one only ran Windows when they *had* to! Running it on those slow machines, it really was like doing time! :(