Wingspan: European Expansion Review - with Tom Vasel

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Tom Vasel takes a look at the new expansion for Wingspan that adds European birds to the game!
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01:21 - Game overview
06:29 - Final thoughts
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@jefff.2052
@jefff.2052 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Tom, just to confirm, Jamey Stegmaier did post that the designer, Elizabeth, did in fact populate the new goals so that all the percentages on the cards would still apply.
@KabukiKid
@KabukiKid 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that confirmation... I was curious if that was absolutely the case, as well. :-)
@adonharris5022
@adonharris5022 4 жыл бұрын
That's awesome. Great work on her part.
@Blondesax
@Blondesax 4 жыл бұрын
My kind of expansion. "Simpler is better." If I want a totally new thing, I generally just play a different game. If I wanna buy an expansion, it's typically because I really like the game more or less as it is and just want MORE! I'm in.
@BobbyReichle
@BobbyReichle 4 жыл бұрын
Jamey confirmed that the card carrier in the expansion box is supposed to fit in all of the birds from the upcoming expansions.
@firebound12
@firebound12 4 жыл бұрын
Except for the new non-egg related goals, the most important thing they added was end-game strategy variation. You can now rely more on the forest and the wetlands instead of spamming the grassland for the egg dominant strategy.
@gooddaysgames586
@gooddaysgames586 4 жыл бұрын
Nice! Thanks for the content Tom and company!!
@joethomas1775
@joethomas1775 4 жыл бұрын
I really like that there's the end of the round cards. Also a little more players interaction.
@Farstr1d3r
@Farstr1d3r 4 жыл бұрын
They have also confirmed that this was designed to keep the percentages from the base game intact. I specifically asked about that. Very excited to get this in the collection.
@kchorst5037
@kchorst5037 4 жыл бұрын
Round End card actions, sideways cards, and different end round scoring bonuses, that is a lot of new stuff besides more birds. Fantastic!!
@WizarDru
@WizarDru 4 жыл бұрын
Jamey stated in one of his livestreams on Facebook that the main motivation for doing European birds is a simple one: most of his customers outside of the continental US live there. Hey was being a little coy, but unless this does terribly (and it won't), they almost certainly will do Asia and I would assume Oceania, eventually. Given the size of Asia, probably even break into sub-editions? If it has legs like Scythe or Viticulture, I would assume so.
@Monkeyb00y
@Monkeyb00y 4 жыл бұрын
You are correct. Oceania is the next one. See here: stonemaiergames.com/games/wingspan/wingspan-oceania-expansion/
@Micolash_is_behind_you
@Micolash_is_behind_you 4 жыл бұрын
the cards show all of asia highlighted in this expansion, i fear by Europe they meant Eurasia
@bcmaledragon
@bcmaledragon 4 жыл бұрын
I was already on board with getting this expansion. After seeng this I know that I'm really going to enjoy the expansion more because of all the newer birds that have an interesting interaction that goes along with them. I can't wait to get it.
@matthewdudley8436
@matthewdudley8436 4 жыл бұрын
I hope they have a European Swallow carrying a coconut!
@peterkarlsson1825
@peterkarlsson1825 4 жыл бұрын
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
@matthewdudley8436
@matthewdudley8436 4 жыл бұрын
Not at all. They could be carried.
@danielastin9445
@danielastin9445 4 жыл бұрын
That's ridiculous, an African Swallow maybe but not a European.
@matthewdudley8436
@matthewdudley8436 4 жыл бұрын
But, of course, African swallows are non-migratory.
@LeeroyPorkins
@LeeroyPorkins 4 жыл бұрын
How do you know so much about Swallows?
@DMaxx111
@DMaxx111 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent review and commentary.
@cedricbarbe3417
@cedricbarbe3417 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Tom Vasel again for a great feedback on this beautiful game. We ll keep watching all the way from Sénégal so yep we ll wish for African species at some point though birds migrate and we do get similar ones.
@smolle8906
@smolle8906 4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to get this expansion when it comes out
@baronvonschnellenstein2811
@baronvonschnellenstein2811 3 жыл бұрын
I only just got around to getting Wingspan. Thx for this review on the first expansion - really helpful and well delivered. P.S.: Props for the cool outfit - bright yellow shirt, fun tie - works well with the vest - :)
@nahailyenvanakkor
@nahailyenvanakkor 4 жыл бұрын
This looks perfect to me. New cards with some simple fresh gameplay elements and more varied round goals... count me in!
@jusdane22
@jusdane22 3 жыл бұрын
Tom, I found that all the play cards can fit inside one "container". You have to stack them evenly, but it does work. I have everything from the original and European expansion inside the original game box. We do love what this expansion brings to the game. Adding this many cards though, it is easy to have a game where none of the new blue power cards come up available. Wingspan is easily one of our favorite games.
@juliankuhn5990
@juliankuhn5990 4 жыл бұрын
such a great game. in no rush to get the expansion seeing as i JUST got wingspan last month but i'll get it eventually.
@furinkazan88
@furinkazan88 4 жыл бұрын
What the "something about it I want to point out" that you mean?
@Majdi.J
@Majdi.J 4 жыл бұрын
I asked Jamey on Instagram and he confirmed that the new bird cards in this expansion, maintain the same percentages with regards to the old (and new) bonus cards.
@partypao
@partypao 4 жыл бұрын
Great Review!! Subscribing to the channel!!
@richardclarke82008
@richardclarke82008 4 жыл бұрын
The common swift card didn't have "cm" after the 46. Tut.
@jennifergeorge7280
@jennifergeorge7280 3 жыл бұрын
Seems cool but the price here in Canada is so high it barely seems worth it yet.
@misterman99
@misterman99 4 жыл бұрын
Love wingspan! Can’t wait for more birds.
@enknot
@enknot 4 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHA
@Zigadeezac
@Zigadeezac 4 жыл бұрын
I would like more birds please! :)
@cameleonfleuri
@cameleonfleuri 5 ай бұрын
Thank youuuu! ❤ I gonna buy it 😄
@enknot
@enknot 4 жыл бұрын
You can hear that burp trying to escape him while he says "expansion bawx"
@Ekumees
@Ekumees 3 жыл бұрын
I have one problem with this expansion. When i play this, i shuffle all the carda together. But i really care for my games so i keep them organised and on display. So when the game ends...do i end up sorting the cards out for a couple of hours? Or can i just shuffle ALL the cards together with all expansions and they fit in this purple box,
@benhavens9682
@benhavens9682 2 жыл бұрын
All the European cards have an "EE" in the corner so they are easy to sort out. This applies to bird cards, bonus cards, and even the round end tiles.
@bayareamasto
@bayareamasto 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone else think they might release the more tropical/jungle based birds from the continents of Africa, Latin America, Asian and so on in a big box standalone game with a more topographically accurate habitat player board?
@vonwoolf9963
@vonwoolf9963 4 жыл бұрын
It would be really cool. But AFAIK, I haven't seen any SM game series getting multiple stand alone boxes.
@Syncopator
@Syncopator 4 жыл бұрын
Be nice to see a Toucan. And I'm sure someone could figure out an interesting ability to put on cards with an ostrich or a dodo.
@kchorst5037
@kchorst5037 4 жыл бұрын
Can you explain topographically accurate? Clear cut forests could be the grasslands--sadly.
@randymarsh1729
@randymarsh1729 Жыл бұрын
more interested in this than the oceania, thanks tom !
@budsticky
@budsticky 4 жыл бұрын
When is the Larry Bird expansion coming out?
@Dr_C_Smith
@Dr_C_Smith 4 жыл бұрын
I’m holding out for the Charlie Parker expansion...
@nihlify
@nihlify 2 жыл бұрын
I was kinda excited for it but the language translation to Swedish was BAD. Makes me very hesitant to buy anything further from the dev and it's a bit weird considering the main game didn't have the same issues. Rushed?
@alicemoore2036
@alicemoore2036 4 жыл бұрын
Acres and acres of Tweety Birds.
@Y3sterdaysCub
@Y3sterdaysCub 4 жыл бұрын
I too wish for an expansion of birds from Australia...but that's probably because I'm from Australia........probably :| That said, the euro birds are 'exotic' to me because they look different from the Oz birds. Cheers for the review!
@Y3sterdaysCub
@Y3sterdaysCub 4 жыл бұрын
@@tfpp1 that's awesome news. Cheers for sharin the info. They can take their time though because my savings is taking a hit with all these diff games and expansions that roll out :p. But keen as for the different continents. Cheers mate
@markusschmidt9260
@markusschmidt9260 4 жыл бұрын
@@tfpp1 I guess then, Antarctica will get a promo card. Or you could use the one from Terraforming Mars instead. :)
@belg4mit
@belg4mit 4 жыл бұрын
@@markusschmidt9260 South Africa and South American have penguins too.
@JosephFlemming
@JosephFlemming 4 жыл бұрын
if people thought the game was too random [ie you aren't getting the birds you need for your goals] more cards is probably worse unless they really did some number crunching
@chunkycornbread4773
@chunkycornbread4773 4 жыл бұрын
Bird is the word
@RockCh4lk
@RockCh4lk 3 жыл бұрын
I actually don't like the look of the new birds/powers, but I LOVE the new round goals.
@AJ-nc4vr
@AJ-nc4vr 4 жыл бұрын
So... Is bird really the word?
@Monkeyb00y
@Monkeyb00y 4 жыл бұрын
Of course, everybody's heard the bird is the word.
@luckbfern
@luckbfern 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! MORE BIRDS!
@jmckinney0040
@jmckinney0040 4 жыл бұрын
And Phil Collins? There are Phil Collins birds? ;)
@JusSomeGuyOnInternet
@JusSomeGuyOnInternet 4 жыл бұрын
*All* the birds in the base are from at least north America.
@MindsetTabletop
@MindsetTabletop 4 жыл бұрын
...birds with tucked cards... birds with no eggs... birds that are worth more than for points... birds in a row... and... PHIL COLLINS??"
@pesto12601
@pesto12601 4 жыл бұрын
sad plastic card holder.... will be interesting to see if the new production of the original game actually ships in October as promised... this thing has been out of stock for WAAAY to long... and the used market prices are stupid high.
@jamesjacobthomson6198
@jamesjacobthomson6198 4 жыл бұрын
Is Tom saying 'approved' rather than 'excellent' for Stonemeier's latest games to cull the hype a bit?
@LeeKenshin7
@LeeKenshin7 4 жыл бұрын
I think it's simply because he's giving it a rating of 8/10 or less.
@jamesjacobthomson6198
@jamesjacobthomson6198 4 жыл бұрын
@@LeeKenshin7 I just can't help but notice that it seems like he really likes both this and Tapestry, but has repeatedly said that he'd like people to value the games we already have rather than following the hype of 'the cult of the new'. :)
@LeeKenshin7
@LeeKenshin7 4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesjacobthomson6198 I think both are true. He was aware of the hype behind Tapestry so gave it more than his usual treatment before his review. Ended up being one of his best quality reviews, IMO. I wasn't at all surprised that he gave it "only" a seal of approval based upon his final thoughts. If he gave the game a lower rating to intentionally cull the hype, then I would question his integrity as a reviewer. Disclaimer: I bought into the hype of Tapestry but after 10 plays, sold it.
@jamesjacobthomson6198
@jamesjacobthomson6198 4 жыл бұрын
@@LeeKenshin7 I agree, his review of Tapestry was very good. And I think that having integrity as a reviewer will always be coloured by subjective views. In this case, I think he may have given the game a higher rating had it not been surrounded by so much hype. It had to fill some pretty big shoes, after all. Of course, we'll never know (unless we ask him). In the end, it's not the rating that matters, it's whether or not we (the players, not the reviewers) actually like the game. :)
@SubjectNate
@SubjectNate 4 жыл бұрын
Birbs
@Moxbox99
@Moxbox99 4 жыл бұрын
Nathan Tolman birbs
@Lord_Aba
@Lord_Aba 4 жыл бұрын
Not a huge fan of the original; fine to play but I'm not going out of my way to get it. Seems like this is just more of the same, so I'll pass on it too. Thanks for the review!
@chriswinston1223
@chriswinston1223 4 жыл бұрын
European expansion for a game not available in Europe.
@stbauch1
@stbauch1 4 жыл бұрын
It is available, isn't it? It even got the "Kennerspiel des Jahres" Award. German Title is Flügelschlag. I don't know about other countries though.
@sobbinseven9847
@sobbinseven9847 4 жыл бұрын
Also available in the Netherlands.
@jedigreg4636
@jedigreg4636 4 жыл бұрын
They forgot to add the French bird that waves a white flag and hides in a nest. :p jk /s
@alcovitch
@alcovitch 4 жыл бұрын
Never understood the hype for this game. It looks incredibly dull to me.
@lukasklees3081
@lukasklees3081 4 жыл бұрын
So they made the game worse. The main problem with the game was too many cards. They just diluted it more. Now you have to use variants to make it more strategic. Have 5 face up cards instead of 3. Games waaaaay to luck driven.
@chuckm1961
@chuckm1961 4 жыл бұрын
You must dislike Terraforming Mars then? Same problem.
@Shrinekeeper1
@Shrinekeeper1 4 жыл бұрын
I have to disagree with you. It's about trying to find the best way to use the cards available to make an engine that works for you.
@lukasklees3081
@lukasklees3081 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah but you dont know what cards are available right. You get 3 to choose and if they dont match your hands strat then you have to dig in the deck. Even further exaserbaits the problem when your opponent has all the advantages in the open information pool. One player will always have the upper hand when it comes to open information. You might say well ill just counter them but they still have closed info to you and so you dont know how to handicap them. Then you have the resourse pool which is also dice. In the end this is a luck fest that i almost want to say is just a solo game. There is very few ways to play competitive if you get locked out with a bad start hand. Terraforming Mars is a mess agreed but its luck only comes from cards so Id say though it suffers the same problem I'd play that over Wingspan any day. For wingspan just buy Milles Borne its faster, fits the theme, and has player interaction its also not fair but fun
@chuckm1961
@chuckm1961 4 жыл бұрын
Mark Glass You sound like you have never played the game, yet have all kinds of detailed opinions about it. It’s more of a tactical game than a long - term strategy game, that is part of the design. “Digging through the deck” for cards that “match your strategy” is nearly always the path to getting slaughtered in this game. That does not make it a luck fest. It makes it a game for short - term rather than long - term planning. That said, I am oversimplifying to some degree. You can play a long term strategy regarding resources, for example setting up the ability to get more cards or more eggs. You can use those extra resources to try to optimize each turn.
@lukasklees3081
@lukasklees3081 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly you either play passively (like in Mille Borne) fitting your situation to 3 options of cards and whatever pip is rolled (your correct its tactics not stratagy) but then its a luck fest. You are playing a scripted game at that stage. Lets say you have 3 cards in your hand then that gives you 6 options to set up your next series of turns. 3 on the table and 3 in your hand. One of those 6 cards always seems to be the best bet because your trying to set up a combo usually to get the max points out in that and future turns. Lets say you choose card x from display to pair with y and z in your hand. Now you have to set up your turn for getting resourses (if the dice were in your favor), then set up the ability to place (egg cost), then spend those turns subsequently getting those cards out. Now you have a decent engine built. However it just took a bunch of turns to set it up which is mandatory with little decision making except the occasional maybe I should take the new card in display or grab resourses while the dice favor me. Then you have your engine and then its basically getting cards random or from the display and trying to trigger them. With the best option that fits your setup (your cookie cutter mold you were forced into early in the game). Maybe your opponent lucked out and the display favors their set up so you can't really stop them without wasting a precious turn to do the draw action (and maybe due to your cards you can't optimally block them). You are so restricted in what you can do it defeats the purpose of actions in a lot of turns.
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