Winter War - Battle of Suomussalmi 1939-40 | Russo-Finnish War 1939

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World War II - Epic Battles

3 жыл бұрын

This video covers the battle of Suomussalmi and the subesquent ambushes along the Raate Road. In Finland, the battle is still seen today as a symbol of the entirety of the Winter War itself.
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@clamum
@clamum 3 жыл бұрын
Love the Finns! Massive respect for such a smaller force, fighting for good, against a much larger oppressor. Goes to show what good training and discipline can do, along with better tactics. Long live Finland!
@kallejotoksella8743
@kallejotoksella8743 3 жыл бұрын
Could also be for better equipments too, since Russian Oppressors only had massive vehicles for road movements, but no winter clothing or equipments for snow. Finnish equipments were not most modern, but light and fit to the conditions.
@Olliemets
@Olliemets 3 жыл бұрын
I passed through those forests travelling from Helsinki to St Petersburg 2 years ago. Gave me a sense of what tough terrain this is, especially in Winter. Truly a force multiplier if ever there was one.
@tommymagnusson
@tommymagnusson 3 жыл бұрын
Love the Finns as well and long live Finland 🇫🇮 greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪
@formatique_arschloch
@formatique_arschloch 3 жыл бұрын
@@tommymagnusson Love you too 🇫🇮🇸🇪
@itarry4
@itarry4 3 жыл бұрын
Just the fact that the Finns could all pretty much use cross-country skis made a huge difference. The Soviets had numbers the Finns had every other advantage and made the most of every single thing they had. It's not the first time a small number of defenders have defeated a huge number of attackers but its definitely one of the biggest and most impressive times.
@ottohonkala6861
@ottohonkala6861 3 жыл бұрын
"Motti" - or 'motti-tactics' - taught at every military academy in the world to this day.
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
exactly
@jansundvall2082
@jansundvall2082 3 жыл бұрын
The first dokumented use of motti-tactics is from 16th century when a small force of skiers with crossbows fought off a superior Russian force on the Carelian isthmus outside Viborg.
@ThePussukka
@ThePussukka 3 жыл бұрын
"All eight of their artillery pieces" hahaha had me laughing in tears :D greetings from Finland
@yankees29
@yankees29 2 жыл бұрын
They were extremely mobile in the freezing weather and used to extreme effectiveness. They inflicted 5x the casualties on the Soviets. They were actually using reindeer teams to move their machine guns and artillery pieces. A reindeer team can haul up to 700 pounds of gear for 8 hours at a time without stopping in absolutely crippling cold. The Russian trucks and tanks were having trouble with the terrain and the cold weather.
@Tyrfingr
@Tyrfingr Жыл бұрын
@@yankees29 Santa doesn't hand out gifts to bad kids, and to russians. He gives the muzzle.
@yankees29
@yankees29 Жыл бұрын
@@Tyrfingr yes indeed . Yuri got a stocking full of coal. Got their asses kicked big time.🤣
@herptek
@herptek 11 ай бұрын
What little equipment there was available was mostly concentrated on the Isthmus, where the Soviets focused their offensive also. Equipment situation was not exactly ideal at the best of times in this war.
@napoleonibonaparte7198
@napoleonibonaparte7198 3 жыл бұрын
The first reaction of Finnish border guard to Soviet column: *"Perkele."*
@Perkelenaattori
@Perkelenaattori 3 жыл бұрын
Or possibly even "Saatana." BTW: Loved your work at Austerlitz, Jena & Friedland.
@sadul
@sadul 3 жыл бұрын
Seems legit.
@Pikkabuu
@Pikkabuu 3 жыл бұрын
@@Perkelenaattori Lets say that it was "Ei perkeleen saatana" or "Ei saatanan perkele".
@miksoinen2546
@miksoinen2546 3 жыл бұрын
@puks roope Vittua nää selität, sanoit "If you don't know word perkele you are not to Finland" Ookko kännissä tai jtn?
@pekkaboi1236
@pekkaboi1236 3 жыл бұрын
im pretty sure that every finn are proud and thankful of the veterans who has been in these wars and fight for their lives
@poowaffle
@poowaffle 3 жыл бұрын
No. It's almost illegal to be proud of our history and heritage.
@pekkaboi1236
@pekkaboi1236 3 жыл бұрын
@@poowaffle so you are saying that its almost illegal to be proud that we dont speak russian rn
@eggburger100
@eggburger100 2 жыл бұрын
I live in Suomussalmi, in the parts that were burnt down... Most People didnt come back to live here because it took way too long to repair the town, they moved to Ämmänsaari, a bit more south. Im honoured to see my home town in a video like this, Oh yeah. Happy indpendance day Finns! 🇫🇮
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing. Welcome to the channel. I'll try to do a more general Talvisota video for the finale this year.
@828ekfkfkfdld8
@828ekfkfkfdld8 Ай бұрын
I live in finland
@Zereniti77
@Zereniti77 3 жыл бұрын
Russians: "We are the experts of winter warfare!" Finns: "Hold my salmiakki"
@rhoddryice5412
@rhoddryice5412 3 жыл бұрын
Hold my Minttu!
@miksoinen2546
@miksoinen2546 3 жыл бұрын
@@rhoddryice5412 Hold my makkara If you aren't sure what that means,it means sausage.
@tuulasuikki1455
@tuulasuikki1455 3 жыл бұрын
@@miksoinen2546 hold my KALJA(beer)
@AatiNiiranen
@AatiNiiranen 3 жыл бұрын
@@tuulasuikki1455 hold my hockey stick
@Team.L
@Team.L 2 жыл бұрын
Hold my mämmi
@benedeknagy8497
@benedeknagy8497 3 жыл бұрын
The 3 most dangerous sounds: When the mountainside starts to speak farsi. When the jungle starts to speak vietnamese. And when the snow starts to speak finnish.
@blowbert9126
@blowbert9126 3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes more winter war. Always nice
@IrishTechnicalThinker
@IrishTechnicalThinker 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta love underdogs standing against all odds.
@sammya7745
@sammya7745 3 жыл бұрын
My great uncle,Captain and a surgeon, walked miles on that road after the fighting was over. He said at some parts you have to walk on bodies due the heavy russian losses.
@corvusduluth
@corvusduluth 3 жыл бұрын
How about the Ukrainian losses?
@tiii4017
@tiii4017 10 ай бұрын
@@corvusduluth ukrainian = russian back then :DD
@tiii4017
@tiii4017 10 ай бұрын
they had no national identity because of russian empire that banned ukrainian in ukraine :D@@corvusduluth
@NiklasAdv
@NiklasAdv 3 жыл бұрын
no matter the outcome, i would have helped the finns, as a swede it should have been everyones duty to do back then, sad they didnt send more of us to help our brothers. cant also imgaine a more beautiful place to die in then a nordic forrest with brothers around you.
@globalevents3580
@globalevents3580 4 ай бұрын
They only sent volunteers. If sweden had sent a real military force the out come of this whole war would have been way different
@finnischsoldat7553
@finnischsoldat7553 3 жыл бұрын
Battle of Raate road real number of captured items: 4,822 rifles 190 machine guns (mostly degtjarjova pehotnyi) 106 machine guns 29 anti-tank guns 71 field and anti-aircraft guns 43 tanks 10 armored vehicles 16 anti-aircraft rifles 1,170 horses 260 trucks 20 tractors 15 motorcycles 47 field kitchens 2 cars
@finnischsoldat7553
@finnischsoldat7553 3 жыл бұрын
@Tearjerker those 1170 horses were alive
@MrWattu
@MrWattu 3 жыл бұрын
the city is OULU not OULOU. Great video once again!
@odeo3550
@odeo3550 3 жыл бұрын
Oulun torilla tavataan, perkele!
@diamondsarenotforever8542
@diamondsarenotforever8542 3 жыл бұрын
And finns can pronounce english so well?
@svenko
@svenko 3 жыл бұрын
@@diamondsarenotforever8542 Depends, English is usually the only foreign language we know. Atleast for me, If I concentrate on pronouncing it, I can speak pretty much the same as Americans, but if I'm tired, I start being sloppy.
@hermaeusmora4874
@hermaeusmora4874 3 жыл бұрын
@@diamondsarenotforever8542 Most of us do. Especially the younger generation.
@hazmatmatt1039
@hazmatmatt1039 3 жыл бұрын
@@diamondsarenotforever8542 As you can see on the map at 1:00, it's misspelled. It's not about the pronunciation.
@Kopyrda
@Kopyrda 3 жыл бұрын
One of my favourite campaigns (and channels), thumbs up even before watching the video :)
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@k4rz43
@k4rz43 3 жыл бұрын
Soviet Russian: _Suomipojat! Tulkaa hakemaan leipää! (Finn boys! Come get some bread!)_ Finn: _Tulkaa TE hakemaan leivän päälle VOITA! (YOU come get BUTTER on your bread!)_
@Pikkabuu
@Pikkabuu 3 жыл бұрын
Mut kukaan ei tarjoa juustoa sen leivän ja voin kaveriksi....
@TheNismo777
@TheNismo777 3 жыл бұрын
@@Pikkabuu Ei passaa olla liian antelias :P
@allualex2606
@allualex2606 2 жыл бұрын
Ei kuitenkaa olis ollu mitään leipää jos olis käynyt hakemassa.
@tommiturmiola3682
@tommiturmiola3682 3 жыл бұрын
Small nitpick: I'm not sure if Finnish Army ever had artillery propaganda shells aviable. Air forces did drop some leaflets but lot of them were spread simply by ski patrolls. Just to add to the last one: I'm sure that air dropped leaflets were most numerous but i think that the ones spread by patrolls were most effetive due to the more precise delivery.
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
yes to be honest I'm not so sure about that one either. And I have caught a few other mistakes by the author I got this from whenever I read about Talvisota, so I'm not sure.
@Sevensixtytwo
@Sevensixtytwo 2 жыл бұрын
There was some leaflets but they were so efective that they become obsolete.
@Qurgon
@Qurgon 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Oulu! :) Excellent video and reminds me of my grandfather who fought there and lost his life. Another grandfather survived and told some stories about the war but not much.
@Benderswe1
@Benderswe1 2 жыл бұрын
OMG so proud and amazed over how tough and brave our finnish brothers are (from a swede)
@jlm35ky
@jlm35ky 3 жыл бұрын
Great work and videos you deserve more views for the quality of your work.
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
The channel is finally connected to a teespring shop. Take a look if you'd like to support our work. There are a few design for the time being, including some cool Winter War shirts and hoodies. And if you'd like to get something specific let me know in the comments and I will add the design for you. The delivery takes some time but the quality is decent and I ordered a couple samples for myself. teespring.com/stores/world-war-ii-epic-battles
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
@OrangeManBad I got the same one.
@user-lb6fl3hd9q
@user-lb6fl3hd9q 3 жыл бұрын
One of the most interesting wars in Ww2. Nice work from Greece
@nahkis6034
@nahkis6034 3 жыл бұрын
You greeks were just as brave in WW2 :)
@sebastienhardinger4149
@sebastienhardinger4149 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, really awesome illustration of what Motti tactics actually looked like
@megajoel56
@megajoel56 3 жыл бұрын
Make more of these winter war vids, they are so good
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
Winter war are the most difficult videos.
@codenamecordon
@codenamecordon 3 жыл бұрын
@@ww2-epicbattles why?
@JuhaEerikki
@JuhaEerikki 3 жыл бұрын
25 dislikes from the 25 escaped soviet officers executed by Stalin.
@ericcarson4513
@ericcarson4513 3 жыл бұрын
This is what the History Channel used to be, back around 1998-2003ish, when it was actually good.
@jordymuselaers4834
@jordymuselaers4834 3 жыл бұрын
Really An underrated channel to my opinion
@-jk-2580
@-jk-2580 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. Subscribed. My grandfather lived his life at Suomussalmi and fought the wars. I have visited many times at these battlefields.
@linja5770
@linja5770 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the video!
@hipithautaa
@hipithautaa 3 жыл бұрын
Exellent video. Cheers from Finland
@mikorossi1959
@mikorossi1959 3 жыл бұрын
Great job. Thank you .
@AuldViolin
@AuldViolin 3 жыл бұрын
My grandmother was a strong Finnish woman, I was reminded of this battle like it was a bed time story
@lovipyorayt7951
@lovipyorayt7951 3 жыл бұрын
I love these videos! Proud to be a Finn! And I just last day watched the video about battle of frozen lakes too..
@smacpost3
@smacpost3 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Well done. Thank you.
@otso2652
@otso2652 3 жыл бұрын
An excellent video!
@PartyComrade
@PartyComrade 3 жыл бұрын
Well made video!
@fieldkitchen
@fieldkitchen 3 жыл бұрын
Finns found the communication codes on a Russian soldiers body. They were able to get direct information for a period of time. They also sent messages to the soviets pretending to be remnants of the units annihilated by the Finns.
@SooloManne
@SooloManne 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome videos buddy. Was disheartened to see how few views you have relative to the quality of these videos. Signed up on patreon to help cover a portion of your expenses. Keep it up!
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
thank you so much. And I have some big plans for next year.
@SooloManne
@SooloManne 3 жыл бұрын
@@ww2-epicbattles can't wait to watch them :)
@rkkristalovich653
@rkkristalovich653 Жыл бұрын
Be great to have such an country as Finland as part of Nato. They continue to prepare....
@chasemurraychristopherdola7108
@chasemurraychristopherdola7108 3 жыл бұрын
One thing for sure I would love to see the battle of taipale where the Soviet army with superior numbers were defeated by heavily fortified finish troops and this battle lasted from December6th to December 27th 1939
@jheck2722
@jheck2722 3 жыл бұрын
I like the point that the 44th division had brought their ceremonial uniforms to participate in a victory parade, before being nearly annihilated. I always felt that Battle of Ratte road needs more attention. There are almost no videos, or lectures on KZfaq about it.
@timomastosalo
@timomastosalo 3 жыл бұрын
Raate. The double a means it's long as in fAther. Finnish doesn't have the 2 th sounds of English, so we Finns would spell that word 'faadör', and mother as 'madör'. Then matter we would spell 'mätör'. Ratte would be said like 'rut-teh'. That teh is best achieved by saying 'tet' (or bet), like the English speakers who drop the last t - so not as 'tay' - Finnish spelling 'tei' (like vein).Furtherspelling ee means just that eh sound stretched long (same with all the vowels) - important because all the ei, ee & single e happen frequently. Compare the mother and father 'a & aa' above. Texas drawl might help in Finnish :)
@sampov8498
@sampov8498 3 жыл бұрын
@@timomastosalo cool story bro. raate ratte, sama mies eri verkkarit. I think we all know what he means knowing the context off this comment section. And he's 100% right these are good tactics and these are not so popular. There are bit some tension when talking about the winter war on open platforms. Russians still view these conflicts in their own way. Not much is told there about the molotov ribbentrop pact secret protocol and if it's viewed, it's "necessary evil" said by Putin.😏 And the start off the conflict "mainilan laukaukset" are still said by Russian government channels that it was Finns that provoked them first or it is still unclear. Yes in 1989 and 1990 Russian admited the truth about these things but with Putins dictatorship the view point of these things have changed. Actually the whole nation is changing. Making closed internet for the nation. China is selling them the tech. And they are banning or not letting global platforms be part of their society. They have started making their own news media, social network etc etc. " At a press conference on 19 December 2019, Putin went further and announced that the signing of the pact was no worse than the 1938 Munich Agreement, which led to the partition of Czechoslovakia."in Krim Ukraine conflict. The propaganda structure during mainilan laukaukset was seen again in Krim conflict.
@timomastosalo
@timomastosalo 3 жыл бұрын
@@sampov8498 That comparison to the oartition of Czechoslovakia back fires: both are as wrong, bigger nations bullying the smaller ones. So it doesn't give it approval. I'm aware of the change after the early 90s - lived through those times as a young adult already. And the separate news source there has been working for 10 years or more. I mentioned the Raate road because English speakers can spell filer and filler, and notice the difference. I would get it if it was some name like Köyliöistenniitty. that not every letter or dot is there - but Raate doesn't have many strange moving parts. I'd rate it having just A difficulty . awkward as aardvark. And they write Greek names correctly, which are longer and more complex than Raate, they just usually drop the Greek endins, in the names off Antiquity. So it's just a too sloppy reading - which is even easy to fix, so I won't let that just slip. There's that same great country attitude as with other great powers, not caring enough. The Greek names they care about, coz it's linked with the idea of the roots of tehir civilization being there - so it's like owning the culture of Antiquity as your 'own history' - and the difficult names seem to form no problem to learn.
@mecho68
@mecho68 3 жыл бұрын
Finns has pointed out what a small but well trained and determined troops can do against idiots poorly lead and motivated by propaganda . Another proof that soviets were idiots was that this lesson was ignored and not much later another disaster rain down when nazis invaded Soviet Union . Finns are fighters , they have my respect .
@stephenwood6663
@stephenwood6663 3 жыл бұрын
Let's be fair, soldiers motivated by propaganda have achieved impressive feats at multiple points in history: the Assassins proved that in the Crusades, as did the Hitler Youth at Berlin. The individual Soviet soldier often fought bravely, but he was let down by inadequate training, inexperienced leadership, and inflexible tactical doctrine.
@mecho68
@mecho68 3 жыл бұрын
@@stephenwood6663 Propaganda has its use , when is a substitute for training , adequate equipment and leadership as it were for red army , is pure stupidity .
@stephenwood6663
@stephenwood6663 3 жыл бұрын
@@mecho68 The Red Army's failures in training and leadership were, in large part, the result of its simultaneous expansion, and the purging of its officer corps. The former was going to result in inexperienced troops seeing combat, and there was very little way around that. The latter had a lot to do with Stalin's fears of a military coup. These fears were not unfounded (some of Trotsky's supporters actively pleaded with him to use a coup to reclaim power!), so I hesitate to call them 'stupid', but their deletrous results on the Red Army's effectiveness are undeniable.
@ristusnotta1653
@ristusnotta1653 3 жыл бұрын
Stop here, the Russians did too -Suomussalmi
@grimmreaper3241
@grimmreaper3241 3 жыл бұрын
@@trumpjongun8831 Nyhän sie vitsin murjasit voi, että mie sain nauraa makiasti.
@Fuxser
@Fuxser 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I reccommend the mini-series on netflix called unknown soliders. Great series from the ww2 that shows the frontlines of the finland/russia war
@KariPiirainen
@KariPiirainen 2 жыл бұрын
Today marks the 82nd anniversary of the outbreak of the Winter War. The Winter War was a war between Finland and the Soviet Union from November 30, 1939 to March 13, 1940. The Soviet Union began the Winter War by attacking without a declaration of war, and the war ended 105 days later with the Moscow Peace Treaty. The League of Nations condemned the attack and resigned from the Soviet Union on December 14, 1939.
@Armorius2199
@Armorius2199 3 жыл бұрын
It would be great if you covered and some of the Larger, yet unknown battles of WWII such as Operation Bagration or Operation Ichi Go. No matter what keep uploading great videos.
@Kopyrda
@Kopyrda 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, just so it happens I've been thinking about Operation Bagration recently. This is the shame how one of the greatest offensive operations of WWII doesn't get that much attention on historical channels.
@Armorius2199
@Armorius2199 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kopyrda Yes, it is weird how operations like Barbarossa and Typhon get so much attantion despite their failure. While the success of Bagration seems to have faded.
@deprivedofspirit966
@deprivedofspirit966 3 жыл бұрын
Mans wit the comeback in a time of need
@jukkakopol7355
@jukkakopol7355 9 ай бұрын
Decisive factor of those battles was finnish ability to construct winter roads thru wildernes and supply troops with hot tents to rest ammunition to use and hot food to eat. That attack against soviet forces began when those roads are finnished.
@GoofyGoober713
@GoofyGoober713 7 ай бұрын
0:59 The 9. Army under Mikhail Duhanovin was supposed to take Suomussalmi, Oulu and Rovaniemi. In the first step of the war the 54. Mountain Division was to go to Kuhmo, 163. Division to Suomussalmi and 122. Division to Salla, the 44. Division started fighting at the midpoint of December.
@GoofyGoober713
@GoofyGoober713 7 ай бұрын
3:29 The blockaid was formed by ” Osasto kontula” that was made of two seperste companys (Kontula and Simola) and a combat engineer platoon. It was later inforced with a gorilla warfare battalion on the 21.12.1939. And a machine gun platoon from seperate battalion 15.
@GoofyGoober713
@GoofyGoober713 7 ай бұрын
The Russian 44. Division was first supposed to be a part of a special unit attacking from Repola to Kuhmo. But based on how the offencive was going it went to Suomussalmi.
@samuel.andermatt
@samuel.andermatt 3 жыл бұрын
Given the massive issues with the cold, I am unsure the finnns were really worse equiped. They might not have had tanks, but had appear to have been much better equipment keeping people warm, fed, camouflaged, mobile, ... .
@GoofyGoober713
@GoofyGoober713 7 ай бұрын
The Russian 163division was supposed to attack from Raatteentie staight away but its vommander Zelentsov changed it at the last moment.
@GoofyGoober713
@GoofyGoober713 7 ай бұрын
In the context of Suomussalmi battles they were never fought in Peranka but in Piispajärvi
@mediapaja1698
@mediapaja1698 3 жыл бұрын
Village Ketola..?its only one house. Battle was in Alassalmi not in Peranka and village is Haapovaara, where russian have their commandplace.. Good video and nice work!
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
yeah this is the problem I always have when searching for Talvisota information. One source is contradicting the other and I have no way to confirm which one is correct.
@Tyrfingr
@Tyrfingr Жыл бұрын
Amazing how little has changed in the Russian army since then til now in Ukraine.
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles Жыл бұрын
One more reason for me to finish my feature length documentary which is relevant with Russia's agressive stance.
@GoofyGoober713
@GoofyGoober713 7 ай бұрын
The ”Toinen rajaosasto” had 42 and not 58 soldiers. ”Retreated without offering much of resistance,” is what you said. Really it fought defencive battles in Lehtovaara, Juntsuranta, Salo, Keträ, Linnansalmi, Kaapinsalmi, Kiviaho, Palovaaran crossroad, Koiranvaara, Käpylä, Kuurtola, Myllyjoki, Heinäpuro and Kylänmäki where they were stopped.
@Meatisfood
@Meatisfood 3 жыл бұрын
What is that pistol in 7:09?
@NordicTG
@NordicTG 3 жыл бұрын
I highly Reccomend you find a way to watch the finnish Movie "The Winter War" from 1989, its like 2-3 hours but it worthwhile & showcase the Winterwar from Start & to its end. & if you want to know about the 1944 Finnish/SOVJET War watch the Movie "Talia-Ihantala"1944. there are atleast 3-4 movies about Finnish & Russo Early, Mid & late Parts of WW2.
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
one of the best ww2 movies.
@jaroslawparzych4719
@jaroslawparzych4719 Жыл бұрын
Bardzo dziękuję. Super ciekawy film 💐💐💐💐🌛🐶🌝😺🎶😃💖🎶🎶🎶😃
@Asko83
@Asko83 3 жыл бұрын
The commander of the 44th division escaped by using the one airplane the division had. (It was meant for scouting IIRC) With him he took the flag of the division and the commissar of the division. ...This likely had a destructive effect on the morale of the troops. Also, the official reason why the commander was excecuted was that he abandoned a number of field kitchens to the enemy. The Soviets didn't want to write down all the losses because admitting in official papers that an entire division had been lost, would have been bad for morale.
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
None of the different sources I used mentioned the commander actually using an aircraft to escape. It's so difficult to find precise, legit informations on Talvisota.
@GoofyGoober713
@GoofyGoober713 7 ай бұрын
3:28 You forgot to mention. The 27th regiment and Kajaani batallion attacked the road now called Kuhmontie. In the first step there was the 27th regiments second and third battalion who got lost about two kilometers west. The first one to get on the road was the first battalion led by Eino Lassinen. At that time ”Stalin alter ego” the Soviet Unions propaganda leader Mehls was leaving back to go home. The fins didn’t know what they had at hands so Mehls got away after a small skirmish. At that time Mehls realiced how weak a unit was when advancing on a narrow road.
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 7 ай бұрын
maybe I didn't forget but didn't know because english sources about talvisota are rare.
@GoofyGoober713
@GoofyGoober713 7 ай бұрын
@@ww2-epicbattles Ok
@morth7481
@morth7481 3 жыл бұрын
Wait your the guy from simple history
@netrolancer1061
@netrolancer1061 3 жыл бұрын
TALVISOTA!!!!
@vKit_
@vKit_ 3 жыл бұрын
I live in Suomussalmi!
@allualex2606
@allualex2606 2 жыл бұрын
Onks siel ees mitään :D joku sale ja kyläbaari.
@vKit_
@vKit_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@allualex2606 Ei täällä ole mitään :DD Joku K-Marketti ja muita liikkeitä ja kauppoja ainakin
@allualex2606
@allualex2606 2 жыл бұрын
@@vKit_ Onks siel joku muisto homma liittyen toho Raatteentiehen?
@vKit_
@vKit_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@allualex2606 On täällä tuo Raatteen Portti fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raatteen_Portti
@rurikhistorik6338
@rurikhistorik6338 3 жыл бұрын
Finland's problems were that the Red Army was quickly trained. In addition, there are myths, that one Finnish platoon can stop an entire division. This is not the case at all. The ratio of 1:5 has not been canceled. Quite large forces fought against the Red Army in Karelia, which were not enough at Viipuri (Vyborg) in March 1940. The experience of the Winter War showed, that only the 44th and 18th infantry divisions were completely wiped out. However, if you remember the 168th and 54th divisions for the Fins, not everything is so brilliant.
@allualex2606
@allualex2606 2 жыл бұрын
1 Finn = 10 Russians
@rurikhistorik6338
@rurikhistorik6338 2 жыл бұрын
@@allualex2606 1=10 is December and January. Then the attitude towards the enemy changed. When it became clear that the Red Army faced a serious opponent, the ratio of irretrievable losses changed. The result is 1 to 5.
@allualex2606
@allualex2606 2 жыл бұрын
@@rurikhistorik6338 and those are just official numbers. Probably way more soviets died in Finland than reported.
@rurikhistorik6338
@rurikhistorik6338 2 жыл бұрын
@@allualex2606 It is very difficult to turn over the consciousness of the European man in the street about the Winter War. In February 1940, during the capture of Fort Poppius and other important defense nodes, there were no endless chains of Soviet soldiers. From the beginning there were "Stalin's sledgehammers" - 203 mm howitzer M1931 (B-4). Then there was a company of scouts with a company of sappers. The same myths about the Mongol army of the 13th century that they took in quantity and they sent countless crowds to the walls of the city.. No, they had excellent technology. As one of the smart people said, "Stalin is Genghis Khan with a telegraph."
@allualex2606
@allualex2606 2 жыл бұрын
@@rurikhistorik6338 Finnish destroyed Russians with high kd and superior tactics and morale.
@gregmarsh1549
@gregmarsh1549 3 жыл бұрын
... And Simo the World's greatest sniper?
@tubepaa
@tubepaa 3 жыл бұрын
There has to a separate video about this historic person. I've read about him. Very interesting.
@oliverludwig6148
@oliverludwig6148 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone has a good source of Finnish army organization/order of battle in WW2?
@teemup9247
@teemup9247 3 жыл бұрын
The Army of the Isthmus was composed of six divisions under the command of Hugo Österman. The II Army Corps was positioned on its right flank and the III Army Corps, on its left flank. The IV Army Corps was located north of Lake Ladoga. It was composed of two divisions under Juho Heiskanen, who was soon replaced by Woldemar Hägglund. The North Finland Group was a collection of White Guards, border guards and drafted reservist units under Wiljo Tuompo. That is a cpy from wikipedia Winter war page. It seems to be quite accurate. There is more accurate description in some sources, but those are in books written in Finnish.
@GoofyGoober713
@GoofyGoober713 7 ай бұрын
6:34 That notion about the Finish airforce is false. The Russians sent a huge barrage of artillery and airplane fire onto Finish positions. The Finns thought they were going to counter-attack so the fins went into defencive positions, but instead of attacking the Russians fled over the ice. The retreat was a success and they retreated back to Juntusranta where they were for the rest of the war.
@Hnkka
@Hnkka 11 ай бұрын
I have book about this battle, "Suomussalmen Sankarit" very nice book to read before going to sleep if you understand finnish
@potato2941
@potato2941 5 ай бұрын
how many troops in a "regiment"?
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 5 ай бұрын
In the Finnish army less than one thousand.
@azarisLP
@azarisLP 3 жыл бұрын
Pronunciation guide for Finnish words: Stress almost always on the first syllable (PEH-ran-kah, OH-lew). In composite nouns, stress independently on each composite word (SEW-mousse-SAL-me). All vowels are pronounced, double vowels with extra length (RAAH-teh). Double consonants pronounced with extra weight (LONK-kah)
@cents2kkk
@cents2kkk 2 жыл бұрын
Is this simple history voice?
@FixYourGameplay
@FixYourGameplay 3 жыл бұрын
This video makes me proud to be finnish Even though I'm not from finland
@Robert709Lee
@Robert709Lee 3 жыл бұрын
Simo Hayho helped win the war against Soviet Union.
@biga6231
@biga6231 3 жыл бұрын
You are that simple history guy RIGHT?
@pen2009
@pen2009 3 жыл бұрын
Where have I heard this narrator before???
@Axt3r
@Axt3r 3 жыл бұрын
10:56 6:55 Both of these anecdotes sound like absolute horseshit.
@villekeronen1636
@villekeronen1636 3 жыл бұрын
I mean the 10:56 sounds so badass so lets just pretend its true
@diegocaris7019
@diegocaris7019 3 жыл бұрын
Is it normal that the voice in almost each video is from Simple history? Or is this like a side hobby?
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
He's a full time voice actor. We all pay him to narrate in our videos.
@GoofyGoober713
@GoofyGoober713 7 ай бұрын
The Finnish intelegence about Russian forces in the area was completely wrong. On the first of December Finland flew an intelegence flight over Russia where they thought Russia had a company at Juntsuranta and a battalion at Raate, when in reality they had two regiments in Juntsuranta and one regiment in Raate. The leader of the ’Toinen rajaosasto’ Martti Elo chose to go tell the leader of Seperste batallion 15 leader that there really is two regiments there, but on the way he met liutenant Arvo Airanne. It still isn’t known what they talked about. Airanne went on his way and Elo took his boot and sock off put his toe on his rifles trigger and the barrel in his mouth, he killed himself. The next leader of ’toinen rajaosasto’ was Airanne. Elos message was really first beleaved on the 3rd of December when the seperste battalion 15 started to get the right picture of things.
@jukkaviertio6393
@jukkaviertio6393 2 жыл бұрын
1930-1940, finns were, mostly farmers. So, if you wanted to eat well during winter, then you hunt. So, during Winter war, day someone could call freezing day from white hell, finn calls that nice sunday.
@josephujoostaa4462
@josephujoostaa4462 2 жыл бұрын
I've been there.
@Mokkilaituri
@Mokkilaituri 3 жыл бұрын
Are you Simple History?
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
no. we just hire the same voice actor.
@Mokkilaituri
@Mokkilaituri 3 жыл бұрын
@@ww2-epicbattles Okay, thats still cool because he is really fitting for these kinds of videos
@ninaakari5181
@ninaakari5181 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mokkilaituri real question here is: are you Aake Kalliala?
@buddyj5VCO
@buddyj5VCO 3 жыл бұрын
aren't you the narrator for simple history?
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
yes it's him
@bjornhedstrom266
@bjornhedstrom266 2 жыл бұрын
Hyvää Suomi!
@TheOnlyKingBee
@TheOnlyKingBee 3 жыл бұрын
Poor man. Went to buy his wife some shoes and got drafted in the army instead ahah
@gimangbarengkeigh2873
@gimangbarengkeigh2873 3 жыл бұрын
you sound like simple history guy
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
that's because it's him.
@Jooa_K
@Jooa_K 3 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe that in place where i live has done war.
@allualex2606
@allualex2606 2 жыл бұрын
Öö mitenniin et believe?
@stss2442
@stss2442 2 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was there
@lorddeath6300
@lorddeath6300 3 жыл бұрын
Canadians and Finland’s would love to fight along each other or not
@SilverGamingFI
@SilverGamingFI 3 жыл бұрын
You mean finns?
@TheNismo777
@TheNismo777 3 жыл бұрын
No, we would not. Stop even dreaming about that. No more wars, what has been in the past shall stay there. Lets not repeate mistakes.
@lorddeath6300
@lorddeath6300 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheNismo777 war is inevitable and necessary if there is to be peace, think about it if hitler had won WW2 there would be a constant state of proxy wars all over the globe still fighting the nazis and they’re idea of a dystopian era where the third Reich rules for a thousand years, look it up they weren’t fighting for freedom only we were and we won so there is peace between a lot of countries not all but still
@leminhtrinh5926
@leminhtrinh5926 2 жыл бұрын
the narrator supposed to be Simple History member
@jsmariani4180
@jsmariani4180 2 жыл бұрын
I can only think of one reason why the Allies supported the evil Soviets against the evil Nazis. they wanted to let the soviets do the bulk of the fighting and take most of the casualties.
@ichziehmirdenweissweinrein804
@ichziehmirdenweissweinrein804 3 жыл бұрын
send in the 50 wave.
@minnowpd
@minnowpd 3 жыл бұрын
Winter won. The Finns had prepared, the Soviets had not. they died in vain like no others , frozen , starving, with the "white death "stalking your lines in the night. All were doomed. Stalin had all returned soviet prisoners executed.
@fujii_natsuooooo
@fujii_natsuooooo 2 жыл бұрын
defeat your enemy and treat them humanely = chad
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 2 жыл бұрын
hey Erich. Nice to see you here
@ojalagames2756
@ojalagames2756 3 жыл бұрын
Perkele Suomi!
@xuserx67
@xuserx67 3 жыл бұрын
Onko tanki online hyvä peli
@ojalagames2756
@ojalagames2756 3 жыл бұрын
@@xuserx67 ihan paska
@GrumpyGremlin.
@GrumpyGremlin. 3 жыл бұрын
Wait am I watching Simple History?
@ww2-epicbattles
@ww2-epicbattles 3 жыл бұрын
no you're just listening to the same voice actor.
@abdul-basiyribnmarcus8640
@abdul-basiyribnmarcus8640 2 жыл бұрын
Respect to the Finns
@v.paviaani2294
@v.paviaani2294 3 жыл бұрын
Suomi🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮
@brianoidperson
@brianoidperson 3 жыл бұрын
Soviets like Germans later in1941 went to war with summer clothes. Not very clever?
@ripvanwinkle1819
@ripvanwinkle1819 3 жыл бұрын
You think Soviets or germans are not aware of cold weather? Not very clever? It was significantly long supply line and it was also one of the coldest winters ever recorded
@brianoidperson
@brianoidperson 3 жыл бұрын
@@ripvanwinkle1819 soviets started 30. 11. Frost should not be surprise. Suply lines were not so long
@ripvanwinkle1819
@ripvanwinkle1819 3 жыл бұрын
@@brianoidperson true, ask the dead russians in Finland tho
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