..and its several hundred years old

Ooof...that one hurts even thinking about it.

Ahaha, I was feeling the same about this video. Also the standard library was made for a different use-case so the side effects need to be wrapped in order to work.

haha nice one, really you can't undermine all the effort he did but damn son its like you go there and you learn your place among the old masters, it either breaks you or makes you want to ascend.

sometimes not knowing that it has already been done is a good thing. you might come up with a different solution to the same problem that is better in some way because you didn't know how it was "supposed" to be done. later the best of both versions can be put together for a better product.

my exact thoughts lol

100%

Using plywood and plastics are pretty great in a historical perspective, it's our times commonly used materials so in a few hundred years from now it will reflect those features. Especially the lego parts on the first marble machine, and nyloc nuts and industrial standard screws etc.

:D

Tbh plywood is a very good material, and high quality birch plywood would have been used by any woodworker of the past had it been available then.

This comment made my day.

Haha, yes!

Right lol

Here we see Cpt. Pandy giving his fellow youtube commentators a tour of Martin giving the museum guide a tour of their museum. ;)

so true!

And that was made in late early -1700, its hard to make even today.

One of them controls pitch, the other turns the supply valve on and off for the chirp. Not sure there's actually a volume control. But yes, blows one's mind to think about what they did in those days with that technology.

hannes is a gift

Those banjos were impressive. And the noting mechanisms brilliantly refined.

*Pain is temporary. Glory is forever.*

Pain is temporary

GLORY FOREVER

DON'T BE PLAYIN LIKE THAT!

unless it's banjo. don't say that in german

@@natalieisagirlnow German word for "Banjo" is just "Banjo".

For the first time in front of a camera, in English I think I did alright. But I'm sure people will claim I forgot the German word in that moment as well. But I'm sure they are wrong. 😁

@@maesto you did great. Perhaps a little too much teasing. I guess we will see in another episode 😅

​@@maesto You did well, and I'm excited to see your collection more in-depth :)

im fascinated by them!! i really want to buy one!!! :)

Its called a "Singvogeldose" and was made/invented by Karl Griesbaum :)

@@HerrWilhelm403 thanks! I am considering getting my mum one as a gift if i can get one with a Robin! :)

I think they were my favourite. Waking up to their chirping would be like going back to nature and waking up with the day.

Download some birdsongs, and set it as your alarm on your phone. Nobody's stopping you from having a wonderful day :)

Well if you drink enough you might hear someone singing ;)

Would a glass of wine help? But I also could add a small music box to it. That would be funny.

egg “That’s just wine... Vending Machine..”

Actually, that would be kind of interesting to blow across the glass bottles with different levels of wine in them...

@@joebrodie Now you are talking mmx scope wise. But I can add a tiny musicbox. :)

As far as I know Wintergatan is the name of the group he is in.

I'm honestly excited enough for another museum tour that I'm fine with Martin taking however much time he wants off of the MMX. Lucas seems like he'll be great guide and there are a ton of interesting pieces to cover.

Videos like this are nice and all but I'm seriously getting withdrawls rn

Exactly my thoughts. Amazing cabinet though. I'm looking forward to enjoy consumint the new series and maybe visit Rüdesheim in spring.

Totally agree with the break part, but I'm here for the marble machine to be honest. So I'm still sad if it would overlap the Wintergatan Wednesday

They're so we can have the Eurovision Song Contest.

@@hjalfi oh, god. Can we stop?

@@helvettefaensatan The music Never stops....

This! I thought exactly that after filming.

How is the concept of countries outdated?

Techmoan should do a review!

BINGO. The European disc box / phono combinations are super rare! I wonder how well they sold. However, in the USA the "Reginaphone" made by the Regina Music Box Co. was pretty popular for home use (why buy a music box AND a phonograph, when you can get both?!) and there are still a surprising number around, probably several dozen (couple hundred?). They ARE rare compared to regular phonographs and regular disc music boxes, however, and definitely desirable for the collector and layperson alike :) The competitor the "Miraphone" made by Mira, is super-rare though. If you find one... congratulations!!!

Mait, math?

Apparently, it is my fellow friend!

I really tried to beat you but you're fast.. I'm pretty sure you're living in Martin's non-existing basement by now.

Heyy, the dedicated Wednesday announcer!!!!

*wunholy wreech*

I had to, sorry. Somehow we needed to contain Martins need to know everything.

Martin always carries an emergency containment device for exactly this reason. He may or may not know it exists.

He's going back to make the episodes, unless he's done it already of course, but anyway, there will be a tour :)

That is an answer for another time....

Electromechanical I guess. BIG bundle of wires between the two.

I will say that player pipe organs (and I don't mean band/fairground/dance/street organs nor orchestrions, but big pipe organs like are normally hand-played by people) are among the most complex automatic instruments ever built, due to having to get so many functions on such a relatively narrow roll (although most player pipe organ rolls are wider than standard piano rolls, and some wider than some orchestrion rolls!). The multiplex functions on something brilliant like the Moller Artiste (made by Moller in Hagerstown, Maryland) are INSANE in that they have 'pilot' holes which will switch over an entire group of holes from playing notes to stop changes, and then back to playing notes, in something like 1/4 of a second, to keep 'uninterrupted' music going while operating a large pipe organ from a roll of more or less 'normal' width. For another example, the Austin pipe organ company in Connecticut decided they weren't going to do it like that (or maybe theirs came first?) and built the most extensive paper-roll scale for any pneumatic instrument, the "Quadruplex" pipe organ roll player of which only a few were ever made, since the roll is over 21" wide, has holes in the tracker bar spaced 12 holes per inch (REALLY narrow; 'normal' spacings include 9 holes per inch, 6 holes per inch, and things like that, for most other instruments), and has something like 240 holes allowing it to play 3 manuals AND pedal AND register/stop changes on a large pipe organ of something like 40 or more ranks... unbelievable. Welte did something different than this, I think, but I don't know much about their pipe organ roll scales. Most of these player pipe organ scales (as well as player piano, reproducing piano, coin piano, orchestrion, band/fairground organ, dance organ, street organ, etc scales) are available in the big book "Treasures of Mechanical Music" by Arthur Reblitz and Q. David Bowers (Vestal Press, 1981), which is THE big tracker-bar-scale book for pneumatic instruments using paper rolls and cardboard books (it also includes some representative disc musical box scales, and cylinder instrument scales, just to get the 'flavor' of what those scales can look like and what notes are included). A great book but long out of print, with many of the scales updated/corrected and republished in Mr. Reblitz's newer book "The Golden Age of Automatic Musical Instruments" (Mechanical Music Press, 2001). There are many technical explanations in this book which explain what things do, if the way the scales are written down seems cryptic.

@@MostlyPennyCat between the three, actually. There's a box downstairs that controls everything.

@@andrewbarrett1537 "The Golden Age of Automatic Musical Instruments" is basically a must have.

Yeah but what the MMX lacks in fine carved wood it makes up for METAL.

@@petervitale4431 Depending on the Instrument :D

I get the same thing about my wooden DDR pads. I'm like Hey, it's cabinet grade birch!

@@calvinthedestroyer Well, does it hold up? Yes? Then who cares? It's not like you claim it to be better.

@@Musikkabinett Huh? laminated plywood is better, a hard wood will crack on a machine like that.

We are always happy to hear people enjoyed their stay.

We have to put them somewhere! 😁

Well you should know. It's for another time. :P

@Michael Deloatch well maybe since we have the microphones out anyways we could record some flacs . But even then it will stay better in person :)

@@Musikkabinett that would be great

My suspicion is that this is his objective.

@@peterkelley6344 coming soon: MMX DEDUX

When he started examining hi -hats and cymbal damping I began to sweat a little.

@@russelldofrane6614 I had always assumed it would be: MM Mach 3. He's so close to finishing the MMX I don't think he would totally abandon what he has done. I am suspecting significant changes.

To see the dreaded angle grinder again would make me pull my hair out.

And it was like the 10th time too!

That was like me at the American Treasure Tour museum in Pennsylvania at the 2016 AMICA convention. We had the guided tram tour where they briefly played a few instruments, and then we had, I think, 45 minutes 'on our own' to wander around and ask the docents to play things, etc we wanted to see and hear before we had to get back on the tour bus and leave! So, I had my camera ready to go, and written-out list of pianos I wanted to photograph and record in the 'nickelodeon room' with something like 75 coin pianos and orchestrions, including several very unusual and one-of-a-kind instruments.... First, the docent politely opens up their Standard brand coin piano (the direct ancestor of my National brand coin piano which is missing a few parts) and I spend 10 or 15 minutes crawling all over it taking pictures and drooling (most surviving Standards today were either gutted entirely of all player parts, or converted to a different roll system; this is a totally original one). Then... I was literally running from instrument to instrument, babbling, drooling and taking ton-loads of photos. I only got to like instrument # 8 or something out of the two dozen or so on the 'must see' list (for more than just one or two quick exterior shots), before the call came wafting up the hallway 'time to get back on the bus!!!' and I had to get the hell out of there :( But more time next time, I hope!!! I never even got to see the band organ room except on the tram tour. I probably could be there for 12 or 16 hours straight and not sleep. I guess it's kind of like certain car people who get to a really cool car collection, and can't leave!

Syafarah Zak I’m predicting he’s building the marble catches, which is the last major component missing... with no “current time” videos since before Christmas, we may see something really amazing in the next few weeks, with the major functional components of the MM completed. Martin would be smart to draw the process out into even more videos, since each monetized video is making thousands.

And yea, I am always smiling during and for an hour after every weeks video. 😁 So glad I found them a year ago and got caught up!

SweWacker It’s in Germany ;-)

I thought the same thing...

Could be the man who has a tape player up his nose, too. RIP Terry.

Ahhhaha yes

Kkkkk

can't... stop... collecting...

I can :D

In the 1910-1948 period (but mostly from about 1917 to 1927 or so), the theatre pipe organ was VERY popular in the USA, and fairly popular in Europe. I don't know how many were made in Europe, but about 7,000 theatre pipe organs of all makes were produced in the U. S. A. by all makers during this period (as stated in "The Encyclopdeia of the American Theatre Organ" by David L. Junchen, Showcase Publications, 1985). They were a popular and cost-effective way to accompany the silent pictures; after all, one didn't need to hire a live orchestra, if they could instead buy and install a theatre organ (which emulates an orchestra) and get a single live musician to play it. By doing so, despite the initial great expense of the instrument, and cost of regular maintenance, tuning etc., the cost savings saved the theatre managers probably thousands of dollars over the years in musician fees, to the understandable consternation of the musicians' union. Of course, there is no substitute for hearing a silent picture accompanied by a live orchestra, or by a live pianist or organist (or musician at the photoplayer, since they can also be played completely by hand, as well as by roll). I think it is an experience that every interested person should have, at least once in their life. Very organic and musically rewarding if the film and the musician(s) are good. Unfortunately quite a lot of theatre pipe organs were junked after sound movies came in (although not nearly as many theatre pipe organs were junked as the huge numbers of photoplayers that were junked.). Fortunately, in the 1950s-1970s there was something of a large theatre organ revival and many of these instruments were saved, with a result that hundreds still survive. This revival is still continuing on a limited scale today. Groups such as ATOS (the American Theatre Organ Society) and their overseas equivalents, have helped, and are helping, preserve, restore and promote this great musical art form. One can join these groups, or one of the online enthusiast groups (like "Theatre Organ Group" on Facebook), and/or just attend live theatre organ concerts and performances, to hear these amazing instruments in person, and keep the musicians playing and the 'scene' going.

There isn't even a Karlstad in Germany, that would be Karlstadt.

The text on the bottom of the glass says "M. Welte and Sons // Freiburg in Baden" in German, and Freiburg is definitely a City in Baden in Germany. I'm really unsure now. Maybe it was an international collaboration, like the MMX :D

Did a bit of research and the instruments by Welte & Söhne are now mostly in the "Deutsches Musikautomaten-Museum" in Bruchsal. Might be worth a trip as well.

Acc Ount I seem to remember from studies that in them days the spelling was not necessarily like it was today ;) ...but given that there are many documents on the web referring to Gillblad Orgelfabrik in Karlstad, SE... it's a safe guess that the pipes were made in Sweden, indeed.

Samuel Mahler I reckon you are onto something - looks almost like an after-sale mod :) So, the Freiburger team bought the organ from Gillblad and automated it, perhaps? Their own sign does not look as neat as the Swedish one ;)

he should drop the whole MMX project and just keep doing videos like this!

not the "best instrument" but the one, which sounds the most like a song played by actual people.

It's called a "teaser". You will have to come back for Episode IV. :-)

@@lwilton I also have A New Hope.

Das is a thing for a later time

@Zero Cool name checks out

I'm curious what this is. There were quite a number of Encore Banjos made in the 1896-1906 or so period in the USA, which just played a 4-string banjo, no other instruments. The Encore was popular and we think over 1,000 were made. Only something like 3 dozen originals, and many replicas, remain. In 1914, James O'Connor of the Connorized Music Co (a very big and successful piano roll company), bought/leased(???) the rights to the old, obsolete(?) Encore from Mr. Kendall and produced two protoypes of his new 'Banjo-Orchestra' which combined the Encore mechanism with a keyboardless piano, and drums and traps, playing a new spooled roll scale instead of the old endless roll scale. Neither of the protoypes are believed to exist (that would be awesome if they did), but at least we have the old ads / flyers for them with photos. Finally, Mr. O'Connor(?) and/or Mr. Kendall(?) entered into some kind of arrangement with the Engelhardt Piano Co. of St. Johnsville NY, newly risen in 1917 from the ashes of the bankrupt Engelhardt-Seybold firm (d. 1915), once a mighty USA coin-piano maker. So, in 1917, Englehardt brought out THEIR BanjOrchestra, using probably yet another roll scale(???), and using their coin piano technology to put the BanjOrchestra into commercial production. Reportedly, only about a dozen of them were ever built and sold, and only two are known to exist today, both incomplete when found (one is very incomplete and plays in modified disguise as an "Engelhardt F" with two ranks of pipes replacing the banjo, non-original traps, and playing "M" rolls rather than BanjOrchestra rolls, at Musee Mecanique in San Francisco). So, the original BanjOrchestra was not a success, but in the 1980s, Dave Ramey of Illinois started making Encore Banjo replicas, and then in 1994 he came out with his own reproduction / re-imagined "Banjo-Orchestra" based upon both the original one, plus ideas from other vintage orchestrions, and all very well-made. So far, I think the D. C. Ramey Co. has made something like 40 or 50 of these reproduction, and are still building them today. That is what is in this video, is a Ramey reproduction. In addition to this, in the past 20 years, Ken Caulkins and his staff at Ragtime Automated Music in Ceres, CA have built many automated banjo and guitar machines (and also playing the bass guitar, electric guitar, ukulele etc) with a fretting mechanism based upon the old Encore, plus a different style of 'ratchet wheel' picking mechanism that they patented, which operates differently than the old Encore pickers. What you have described sounds like a RAM picker action with the ratchet wheel with picks on it, mounted in a 'gantry' over the strings. I think they've been building those instruments since at least 2000 - 2005 or so. Most of them are MIDI operated but they've also devised special proprietary banjo and guitar paper-roll scales for the standalone banjo or guitar instruments. The Ragtime quality and method of construction is not the same as Ramey. Ramey are mostly handmade instruments using lots of wood, metal, etc for the action like the original automatic instruments, and RAM by contrast are generally machine-made using injection-molded plastic, with some metal here and there and nice wooden cabinets. However, these Ragtime instruments have been commercially successful in part due to MIDI touchscreen operation, and clever musical arrangements. If your neighbor has pictures of the 'organ' from which he salvaged the mechanism, I'd REALLY REALLY like to see them :)

@@andrewbarrett1537 Got some more info for ya. He says it's an unknown maker, but it was made as an add-on to a Conn theatre organ for the Timbers restaurant in Plattesville, WI.

@@littlesnowflakepunk855 Thanks for this info! Re-reading your first comment, after getting the info about the Conn theatre organ, it kind of falls into place. I would bet (NOT know for sure... without seeing photos) that your neighbor's player banjo was possibly built in the 1970s and was possibly either the prototype, or one of the very few built, of an Encore-style 'player banjo' put on the market in the early 1970s by G. W. MacKinnon, a mechanical music dealer who had stores in North Carolina and in Southern California. He had some folks helping him design a piano player system using an early computer and tape, around that period, which he marketed under the "Amico" trademark, I *think* (need to pull out my G. W. MacKinnon catalogs, where this is advertised, to confirm the brand name). I have never seen one of these systems, although the slightly later Marantz Pianocorder cassette-player digital tape / solenoid piano player system did sell very well, into the thousands I think. I am not sure that slightly later system is related to the earlier one, or not. In these ads, MacKinnon advertises a digital tape-controlled (I think cassette tape or reel-to-reel, with digital programming?) player banjo, in a new 1970s cabinet styled like the Encore but with goofy proportions, which has four spinning(?) pickers mounted on small can motors(? I might be mis-remembering, and it might actually have four small picker 'arms' connected to solenoid plungers). Of course there were also fretters to fret the strings. I never found out if any of these electrically-played, electronically-controlled banjos were ever commercially sold, or if only the one prototype shown in the photos was built, to try to interest people in it. I also don't know who designed or built these, but my friend Dana Johnson used to work for MacKinnon in the 1970s at the California location, so I could ask him... he might know something about it and may have even known the designer/builders. Conn, to my knowledge, never built a single pipe organ... they came out with their organs in the early 1960s(??? late 1950s???) and every single one I've seen is an analog electronic organ. They built church-type electronic organs, but their most popular instruments were theatre-style electronic organs for home, theatre, and commercial use. They were very popular, and back in the day, were considered to have a very good and very warm and musical sound for an electronic organ. I think Conn was bought out by Kimball sometime in the 1970s(?) and the quality of their organs, and design, changed. I don't know when they stopped building electronic organs but it probably wasn't any later than the early 1990s.

@@andrewbarrett1537 Some additional info, off the top of my head based around what I've seen of the thing - It's actually two banjos mounted side-by-side, and it is pneumatically controlled (From what I gathered it had some electric parts, but the fretting mechanism was pneumatic.) It doesn't have any brand markings anywhere on it, not even on the banjo heads (all my personal banjos have a logo somewhere on the drum head,) though those appear to have been replaced at some point. My only interaction with it has been while I was helping him carry some ~10 foot lead bass pipes down to his basement, so I didn't get much of a chance to look at the internals in detail. Definitely completely handmade, though, and quite old. Had about a quarter inch of dust on it.

@@littlesnowflakepunk855 I would very much like to see photos of this and/or get in touch with the owner for historical research purposes, if possible. This is probably an instrument of which the mechanical music community is totally unaware AND might not be in any of the standard reference works like Q. David Bowers' "Encyclopedia of Automatic Musical Instruments" published in 1972. In which case... they have something that is SUPER awesome (and there are many awesome instruments in THAT book not believed to exist today... we only have an old photo or image). Please contact me via my Facebook which is Andrew E. Barrett (in California). Thanks a lot! And/or they can get in touch via my FB Music page which is andrewebarrettmusic

Slap!

@@bazahaza OMG

I'll make sure to tell them.

Next episode: I was joking, it was actually a music box and not a heater. Markus: **surprised Pikachu face**

It’s German humor mate, it’s no laughing matter.

Where there is wine, there will inevitably be music.

Off thats a tough one. But maybe a topic for our chanel at some point in the future.

Oh no! My cover is blown! (I actually watch way to much YT)

Because games matter! ^_^

M u l t i m e d i a e x t e n s i o n

We may not confirm nor deny anything.

I'm seriously worried about it...

Martin: “Back to the drawing board...”

@@giuseppeblanco1256 no need to. That much I can pass on.

@@Talaxianer They had a whole cabinet of it at that museum! It really tastes grape!

Hi Jesus whattup

MightyJustas Surf’s 🏄‍♂️

Well we are 50 Years old. So not exactly new. But that whole "Internet" thing is difficult to explain why it needs to be prioritized, sooo there is that.

Our Cinema Organ is actually a Welte one.

@@Musikkabinett Achso, jetzt kenne ich mich aus! Herzlichen Dank für die Information! ;) Das mit der Kinoorgel ist relativ spannend, gibt ja nicht sonderlich viele im deutschsprachigen Raum.. ^^

@@TheMikeOrganist es gibt glaube ich 2 oder 3 aber da könnte ich mich jetzt auch täuschen.

@@Musikkabinett Ja ganz genau! Spontan fallen mir auch nur die Wurlitzer in Berlin und die Welterundfunkorgel vom NDR ein.

Noted.

@@Musikkabinett When you guys do the Maesto video, please make parts of the video with the front on and the front off, so we can hear to best effect, how much the main swell shutters in the roof modulate the sound of the pipes. Of course the clarinet has its own swells :) I think this realism is a HUGE part of the amazing sound of that instrument. As you well know, with the front off allows the viewer to see it all working, but then the other 3 ranks of pipes just 'blast away' at full volume :) Thank you!

@@andrewbarrett1537 don't worry we'll record audio only fully assembled.

@@maesto AWESOME, thank you!

Even the new jeep truck have a built in bluetooth speaker :P

Exactly. The large orchestrion cabinets, and even disc musical box cabinets, were styled along the lines of other fine furniture of the day like buffets, sideboards, wine coolers, liquor cabinets, wardrobes, bookshelves, etc to blend in with the current fashions of the day. The styles of the cabinets changed to keep up with fashions over the years, and frequently, multiple styles of cabinet would be available from the same maker, to help get the best and most harmonious 'blend' of the instrument with its surroundings. Once in a while, a restaurant / bar (or wealthy buyer) would commission a custom case for an instrument, to perfectly match a certain decor.

Booyah! Love to work together with the whole Wintergatan team!

Martin: I'm building a music machine *:D* Lucas: In the time it took you to build one, I already made 2. Martin: *D:*

@@LordDragox412 I think based on the fact that Martin needs to invent almost everything he wants on the mmx, he is doing really well. #ibelieve

@@Musikkabinett Yours don't use marbles, that's why he's taking longer :P

@@LordDragox412 Marbles have much more randomness than simple connecting rods :)

:'( But depending on where you live there might be one closer to you. It's not us... But still Mechanical Music!

If you live in the USA or in the UK, there are many good mechanical music museums you can visit! In the USA for example, there are: the Morris Museum in Morristown, NJ; DeBence Antique Music World in Franklin, PA; Stahl's Automotive Foundation (a great car museum with fantastic mechanical music) in Chesterfield, Michigan; Olden Year Musical Museum in Duncanville, TX; Musical Instrument Museum in Phoenix, AZ; The Nethercutt Museum / San Sylmar in Sylmar, California, Musee Mecanique in San Francisco, California, (which is a real play-it-yourself turn-of-the-century arcade) etc. etc. In the UK there is the Musical Museum in Brentford, Sussex, for starters, plus the Amersham Fair Organ Museum in Amersham, and many others.

Or try our new technical tours 25.3 or 27.3 ;)

I remember doing an image search for a certain model of orchestrion on an image-search site, hoping I'd locate an unrestored one 'in the wild' (rather than on an auction site, for example), and getting very few search results of actual orchestrion images back, but THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of turn-of-the-century tall buffet / glassware cabinets, wardrobes, tall beer/wine coolers, and (of all things) census-taking machines! C'est la vie... Oh well, some of those buffets and wardrobes were really cool and would look great next to an orchestrion :)