Wire & Fuse Sizing for Victron Orion XS DC DC Charger

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In this video we go over the wire size and fuse size options for the new Victron Orion XS 12|12 50A DC DC Charger.
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@EXPLORISTlife 2 ай бұрын

Hey! Just a heads up but we got our first shipment in for the new Victron Orion XS 50A DC DC Chargers: shop.explorist.life/shop/all-products/victron-orion-xs-1212-50-dc-dc-charger-non-isolated And here is the wiring kit for it: shop.explorist.life/shop/all-products/victron-orion-xs-12-12-50-dc-to-dc-charger-wiring-kit/ Dual Orion XS wiring kit coming soon. Orion 30A to Orion 50A retrofit coming soon. Stay tuned to our social media for the announcement for those. NOTE: I'm sending this everybody on the waiting list at the same time as well as a social media blast; and there are a lot more on the waiting list than I have available as of today and these WILL SELL OUT, But... since we have gotten our first shipment, that gives me confidence that we will have more in a timely manner; which means that we will be taking backorders. This means that if we sell out, you can pre-purchase for our next shipment and we will fulfil those IN THE ORDER THEY ARE RECEIVED, so time is still of the essence if you want one. So, when will the next shipment of these arrive? Our current best estimate is April 26th for the next small shipment, and then by early June, we anticipate having enough to fulfill ALL orders. I will not be sending out waiting list emails for these. If you want to get 'on the list'; purchase one (or two) on backorder and we will send them out as we get them in: shop.explorist.life/shop/all-products/victron-orion-xs-1212-50-dc-dc-charger-non-isolated

@brianmac001 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for putting in the conversion sizes (mm², etc)😊. Not many people do that. Very informative, as ever!

@EXPLORISTlife 4 ай бұрын

Glad that was helpful! Our audience is now a near-even split between USA and everywhere else, so we will be including metric measurement conversions going forward.

@voyagerman22 5 күн бұрын

Clear and concise, thank you!

@BTNomad 5 ай бұрын

Excellent!! Thank you!! I was preparing myself to have to upgrade wiring. Phew! What a relief!

@chinookguy 5 ай бұрын

I love your videos! as soon as I find the perfect van, I will buy a kit from you!

@timf6916 5 ай бұрын

Thanks, Good information

@RVingwithG 5 ай бұрын

4/6 AWG and 60 amp fuse Thanks 😊

@warrenscorner 5 ай бұрын

I love how you explain all of this stuff. I’m confused about my Ford Transit charging system. How do I know if I can add a 30 amp charge controller to my starter battery?

@garnetmcbride3629 4 ай бұрын

Great explanation, although I'm curious how the distance calculation varies if you're using chassis for the negative.

@olivierbourgeois3230 Ай бұрын

I was wondering the same question for non-isolated.

@Eco-NRG 4 ай бұрын

Hi from the freezing north of England! Great summary 👍 When updating, please mention the in-built cable clamp as Victron imply the ‘connectors’ need this unusual mechanical security for longevity. I found the lack of VE.smart network an unwelcome surprise. I’m having to incorporate a separate low temperature disconnect unit to protect my lifepo4 battery. Hopefully they will have a firmware upgrade before next winter!

@Mark_Lawler 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the great, highly educational videos. I have really enjoyed learning from all of them as I have done various lithium and solar upgrades these last couple of years. Do you have a video that talks about what to do in the case where the RV manufacturer assumed lead acid vs Lithium and used a battery joiner solenoid for house battery charging off the altenator? Even though my 2023 Newmar New Aire came from the factory with 640 Ah of Lithionics batteries (with a later factory upgrade of a 3rd Lithionics bringing the total up to 960 Ah) they still used an old-school Xantrex solar controller (that cannot spell Lithium and they now have a service bulletin/recall out for well over 100 vehicles) and battery joiner solenoids. I have already ditched the nicad/lead-acid solar controller for a Victron SmartSolar MPPT myself thanks to your videos, but I still don't like that the rig uses a solenoid for alternator charging vs DC to DC charger(s). I'd still like to use the solenoid for combining batteries for a boost if needed when starting the rig, but I feel like I should rewire in a new Orion XS (or a couple) for altenator charging. That said, I need to deal with the solenoid, no? My previous rig, a Tiffin Wayfarer also had a solenoid, but putting a BIM in its place was a simple remove and replace exercise. But, had I gone with a DC to DC charger there, I would have had the same question as I do with this new DP, no? Thanks!

@ADONAIsays-so 5 ай бұрын

Is it safe to use the vehicle frame as a common round for the neg running on the tow vehicle portion if going to a trailer?

@user-iw2ld4ng1d 5 ай бұрын

I have been waiting for something like this for a year. I was thinking of using an Anderson connector between my pickup truck and travel trailer. Would I run a positive and negative cable « to and from » the starter battery and positive and negative to the Orion from the Anderson? Would I also need to run a negative from the Orion to trailer chassis? Txs😊

@waynewilhelm9004 5 ай бұрын

I recently found your site and am loving the videos. I am planning two anderson type(or similar) connectors in line to the camper. How do these affect voltage drop? I will check back weekly for a link to the 12-12 50 as I don't see it currently listed in your store. Thanks.

@EXPLORISTlife 2 ай бұрын

@michaeldrzewiecki3757 5 ай бұрын

How about if I want to double up and use 2 for 100amp total?

@francoispoitras9511 Ай бұрын

Hi, in your wiring arrangement to connect the XS, would the Lynx be grounded to the chassis? Thanks

@tannerjim 4 ай бұрын

Do I have to run NEG from battery to back of my truck (then to RV) or can I save a few $$ and just get ground from the truck frame at the back of the truck (using only ~3-4 feet of NEG cable) ?

@nancymckibbin722 2 ай бұрын

I’m installing a 50A dc-dc charger on a truck camper. The wire will be installed inside an engine bay and covered in split loom conduit. What is your recommendation for wire in this install?

@andyR4ut 4 ай бұрын

If I am putting this in a fifth wheel. I plan on a dedicated positive run from a solenoid in the engine compartment. The negative I plan on grounding to the truck frame. Any reason to really run that negative all the way back to the battery?

@chucknSC 4 ай бұрын

I have two 12v bats in series. Can I run a 12/12 dc-dc charger on each battery?

@Fordolet 5 ай бұрын

Hello. I am considering an Orion XS DC charger for my boat. I have an epoch 480AH lithium battery for the house bank and 2 group 31 flooded batteries for the engine bank. I have not seen any settings in the Orion for charging lithium batteries. Am I missing something? Does the Orion support DVCC charging? Thanks!

@1DrkVixen Ай бұрын

I am wanting to use 24v server rack batteries. Can I use the new 50am charger? Or do I need a 12-24 or 24-12 30amp victron charger. I’m having a hard time finding why there is a 12-24 and 24-12 versions and which one I would need.

@nathanschock4858 3 ай бұрын

Could they have released this version of the Orion @ 50A to conveniently fit below the 60A CCP1 in Ford Transits? The Transit CCP1 fuse is notoriously hard to change so im a little nervous to follow your advice of a 60A fuse downstream of that.

@tannerjim Ай бұрын

Can you see any reason to connect the Orion XS to my CerboGX if my setup is Truck/5th Wheel? I'll never be able to see power input while driving, but I guess I could have my wife monitor it via the phone app.

@ivanwayne2507 2 ай бұрын

Is it possible to charge more than one 12 volt Li battery with this DC-DC charger at the same time? I will have 4 100amp 12 Li batteries to charge.

@adrianbrown3524 4 ай бұрын

This is good news. I have been researching chargers for my caravan. I have a Victron mppt controller fitted. Will the 50amp charger work with solar controller?

@chachi5975 13 күн бұрын

Yes you can charge from multiple sources. You can create a network in the app so the two chargers will communicate with each other.

@lesliebright3860 5 ай бұрын

On your site, I’m seeing Anderson connectors for either 6gauge wiring, or 2gauge, not 4. Using 4gauge should work, but if a specific situation really called for 2gauge, how would you recommend handling the transition from a longish run of 2ga from the started battery, through an Anderson, to the Orion, then stepping down to 4ga right at the end?

@EXPLORISTlife 5 ай бұрын

I would end up handling that on a case by case basis in our tech support email as I imagine that will be a pretty rare situation.

@user-ms9cm9cp3y 4 ай бұрын

Any idea when the isolated 50 amp version might be available from Orion?

@EXPLORISTlife 4 ай бұрын

There is no ETA on that one.

@robbehr8806 5 ай бұрын

Hi Nate, Some electronics are designed to run optimally at 13.8 VDC, rather than the 12.8 we see from a fully charged battery. Can the new Orion XS be configured for use as a boost converter between a 12 VDC battery and 13.8 VDC equipment?

@EXPLORISTlife 5 ай бұрын

It can indeed be used as a power supply w/ a programmable output voltage.

@robbehr8806 5 ай бұрын

@@EXPLORISTlife , Great news!

@paulgreenhalgh4790 4 ай бұрын

Can two be paralleled in Power Supply mode?

@midwestiowashooter 5 ай бұрын

I have a 4awg just under 25ft with a RedArc charger at 30a. I think based on this I could terminal block that cable and add a Victron 12/12 18amp charger when I want a faster on road charge. I really don’t want to rerun that cable for a larger size.

@andrewford80 4 ай бұрын

I've got that 12/12=18 victron and once it gets to operating temp Im lucky to get 10A out of it. Proceed with caution, or a very good cooling.

@aaronthehandyman7714 4 ай бұрын

So I have a question. Hopefully someone can help me here in the comments or even explorist life themselves, I have a tool trailer that because of this page I went with mainly victron. I have a 2000 multiplus and I want to run remote switches, one at each door, next to my regular light switches. Can I just run them in parallel? I’m assuming this is a dry set of contacts but wanted to be sure

@MikeEffron 3 ай бұрын

I have a F-250 Powerstroke and the Orion will be up forward in my Airstream. They will be connected via Anderson connections. On the F-250 side can I ground at the back of the vehicle on the frame? Instead of running another lead to the negative of the battery? I thought using negative on a vehicle battery was reserved for winches and welders when current draw is extremely high...

@EXPLORISTlife 3 ай бұрын

We recommend running both the positive and negative all the way to the starter battery for best performance. You're already under there running one wire and it doesn't take any more effort to do two wires, so may as well do it right the first time so you don't have to do it twice. 50A is still a pretty big load.

@anthonyrstrawbridge 4 ай бұрын

Yes👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

@avifeldman1447 4 ай бұрын

Hello My alternator is a small 55 amp. Is it possible to connect, are you the new one?? To DC to my DC Thank you

@andrewford80 4 ай бұрын

This DCDC charger is configurable in output, but that is a pretty small alternator, so you would want to probably keep it under 20A. In my opinion.

@matte3839 5 ай бұрын

What about if you try to combine two 50 amp victron chargers?

@jfrank9957 15 күн бұрын

Any copper 4/6 wire or would it be better to use tinned marine grade? Thanks!

@EXPLORISTlife 15 күн бұрын

Given you aren’t in a boat, the wire we include in our shop would be best: shop.explorist.life

@jamelcampbell4984 4 ай бұрын

I wonder if you could help me figure something out, I've researched on the internet and get multiple different answers. I bought 3/100ah lifepo4 batteries 12v, have 3/100w solar panels with 4 more panels in storage for springtime installation, I was told a 20a control charger was needed, would a 40 amp be better.

@EXPLORISTlife 4 ай бұрын

Hey, @jamelcampbell4984! I appreciate you taking the time to ask your question, but unfortunately, I don't have enough info about your specific question to provide an accurate answer, but here is a playlist that, if you watch all of the videos start-to-finish (and take notes 😉), you'll have a REALLY good idea of how to design a solar array: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gNGSpptl2Kiso5s.html&list=PLmvhcyi4n0TV9pi83rFTv3ZuMT_S1xIZt Alternatively, I have some of my most common solar array setups pre-built here: shop.explorist.life/product-category/all-products/camper-wiring-kits/solar-charging-wiring-kits/

@user-mu7oe6fv1w 6 күн бұрын

How do you explain the discrepancy from what you say vs what the manual says? In the Victron manual, 6awg recommended for a 15ft run, with 4awg recommended for a 15-30ft run.

@EXPLORISTlife 6 күн бұрын

Certainly! Wire choices is what we will be covering over the next 7-10 weeks on this channel in the academy; so if you watch all of those videos and take notes; you'll have a lot better understanding and some additional insight on how we size wires for various components; ESPECIALLY when we are forced into a scenario that goes against manufacturers recommendation.

@EXPLORISTlife 6 күн бұрын

Link to academy where videos will be uploaded. New videos every Sunday: kzfaq.info/sun/PLmvhcyi4n0TWdoT6YNzBha-x7W_mH306i

@GoranVidicek 2 ай бұрын

Hi is possible to put this 2x Charger 50A ,I put big Alternator 280A

@EXPLORISTlife 2 ай бұрын

Yep! We will have wiring kits and diagrams available for this soon.

@davidbelwood3683 29 күн бұрын

Hi will this be ok on none smart alternator

@EXPLORISTlife 29 күн бұрын

Yes

@user-io3lj7bn6p Ай бұрын

At the end of your video you explain about the effect of 10% voltage drop and that the orion will take in 770 watts at 14.4 volts which equates to 53amps. This does not make sense as the max inut current is 50 amps. It cannot take 53 amps in, can it? or 770 watts in? What it means is you will loose 10% of the possible output.

@peterrobbienuttycombe3541 5 ай бұрын

How to wire to alternator please Plese

@chipper7711 5 ай бұрын

You don’t wire it to alternator. Wire it to starter battery so as to protect health of starter battery when charging.

@tannerjim 4 ай бұрын

Guessing this unit still does not connect to the Cerbo GX?

@richmorpurgo5554 Ай бұрын

It has a ve. Direct port.

@gonefilming2020 4 ай бұрын

A befriended camper conversion company had the chance to test this unit with "real-life" cable lengths of 6m and wire sizes of 16mm2 and 25mm2. Unfortunately, using ferrules, you cannot fit either size into the corresponding connections. If you use heavy pin crimp connectors, you cannot fit the cover. If you want to use two ground connects going to either battery, you need to use an external busbar, as there is no way to fit two heavy pin crimp connectors into the Orion XS. The advertised software integration is no award winner either. There is a 0.5V voltage drop between the starter battery reading and the control reading at the Orion XS. This causes the charge current to drop continually way below the advertised mark. All in all a very disappointing result - I had high hopes for this unit, as it did away with the excessive heat and subsequent weight.

@EXPLORISTlife 4 ай бұрын

We will be testing and releasing wiring kits and support so that none of that should be an issue. Stay tuned! 👍🙏

@gonefilming2020 4 ай бұрын

@@EXPLORISTlife Hi Nate, of course you will engineer a custom wiring kit to cope with this. You've done this many times. 😊👍 Unfortunately, anyone not in the North America region will not get the benefit of your hardware. One should not really have to custom fit some hack to connect basic wiring. Here in Europe, I can opt for a 50A Votronic unit. 🤷‍♂ Love your videos, stay safe! 🚐☁🍀

@EXPLORISTlife 4 ай бұрын

@gonefilming2020 We ship worldwide! 😉👍

@gonefilming2020 4 ай бұрын

@@EXPLORISTlife Of course you do. 😁

@christianwinkelmann8477 5 ай бұрын

Hi is the Orion xs available as isolated? Thanks Chris

@DylanRaubenheimer38 5 ай бұрын

Hey, refer back to the previous video, it's not available as isolated yet, but will be released later

@chachi5975 5 ай бұрын

@@DylanRaubenheimer38that's the first I've heard of an isolated version. Do you have any more info?

@DylanRaubenheimer38 5 ай бұрын

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@longng36 5 ай бұрын

alternator printer van 2023 work ok ?

@PresidentBust 5 ай бұрын

Yes no problem at all. It can support nearly double that

@longng36 5 ай бұрын

@@PresidentBust where we buy this one

@EXPLORISTlife 2 ай бұрын

@grinstarr 17 күн бұрын

is it me or is out and in backwards here?

@dubious6718 4 ай бұрын

Why buy a non-isolated charger when you still have to have a negative wire to the other battery? That's what it looks like in all the drawings I have seen. I thought the whole point with non-isolated was that you only needed 1 long wire, and the negative just gets grounded to the chassis.

@EXPLORISTlife 4 ай бұрын

You 'could' send all of the negatives to the chassis, but in my experience, using the chassis as 'the' current carrying conductor (wire) can give unreliable performance. A wire to a lug to a busbar or other electrical connector is always going to give the most consistant performance, in my experience.