They would 100% decide that one of them is fake, I'm sure

Fickle Me oh yeah the only reason they find fakes is painters don’t do enough research. The best forgers are almost never caught. In fact the best forger ever was only caught because there was an ingredient included in a paint that wasn’t listed on the label.

Give them both fakes but ask them to choose one which is fake

If they’re good enough detectives, they will ignore the statement that one is real or fake, and simply do the job.

2299mikey whats his name?

same here haha but genuinely, they can still tell because it's less about how your signature looks but the angle and direction of strokes so even if you write it different every time, someone who's good at what they do can still tell.

And they will have examples of this happening because you are famous. It's fairly common I'd assume. People are inconsistent.

They look at pressure, curvature, and relative sizes and spacing and take into account possible changes. Everyone writes with their own unique speed and pressure which is almost more important than the letters themselves.

@@DarthBane-zf8wv In that case, they'd have a lot of difficulty with my writing. My mood determines the pressure and the angle in which I write. I've had numerous moments of having difficulty recognizing my own writing, as I change how I even print my a's, if I loop my g's, etc. Sometimes my writing looks feminine with larger curves, sometimes it looks like chicken scratch. I always wished I wrote in a way that was consistent. The downside of having a chaotic mind

@@littlemissmello 7

Innit, I might just do one but just make sure to do everything right

Some of these things are difficult to avoid. If you're producing a fake, how will you make it look old? By buying an old picture and repainting it? Or by buying a new one and try to make it look old? Both methods will be caught. And how will you get a certification of autencity, without someone being able to trace it back to a dead end? I seems to me, like it would be impossible to do everything right no matter how much you knew...

@@nikolajrasmussen9573 I mean people probably could get away with it on their wall but when it comes to its authenticity, it’s a fake through and through.

You profile pic explains it better😂👏🏻.

sooo true

Yeah, I think it´s because an expert´s analysis has to be as well documented and supported by proof as possible.

yeah... lol amateur !

it's not just that though, even if the document is a completely obvious fake, they have to exclude the possibility of the painting still being genuine

@@ivanzivkovic7572 yep, authentic paintings with fake chains of custody is a very common thing as well

Finding 1 inconsistency isn't enough. The document can be explained away.

i'm not a forger, but watching this video I just kept telling myself how easy it would be to forge something like this if this is all that they did

Tags this under writer not breaking the law

@@SwiftVines sure.

Thats what i was thinking lol

@@SwiftVines finding the paints would be difficult for older works theud be worth a lot

That is definitely much harder...

I found one recently, but it was after the damage was done…

Well, you could use this video as a metaphor I suppose. Look at their history. That one pretty much speaks for itself. Visual inspection: what is their posture like? What do their nonverbals say? Ultraviolet inspection: Actively look for what they might be hiding. Fluorescence analysis: what individual attributes make up who they are? Finally, take one very close final look. Anything that they missed that hints they are being fake? Maybe this is great advice, maybe terrible, I just legitimately did this for the fun of trying to make it into a metaphor.

A psychologist

You don't need an expert for this, just to take a step back and trust your gut

Lol

Dark

Scripturium Guerrero dark humor like family guy

It's dark and I like it.

Wellll you took the quote out of context 😄 He said at the time when Pollock started the drip paintings he wasn't really brushing any more.

"Uh, I don't remember. It's been a while."

lol

kginmyheart Planning some diy later?

10:42 - "Duh-breeze!"

They already examined a authentic one otherwise they wouldn't be able to determine that this was a fake you dum dum

I'm not sure there is an authentic version of this one.

@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 - Again, I don't believe the OP was referring to an authentic version of *_this_* particular piece. And based upon their findings in this video, I think you can be *_very_* confident there is no authentic version of this one.

"you just wouldn't get it"

200 likes. Interesting

Lmao seriously though. I cant believe people call this chicken scratch art.

@@arbitrage2141 to each his own but I think people have over hyped his painting had he been an artist now instead of when he painted people would laugh at him and call him a joke tell me in wrong there are so many artists now that have at least equal skill than pollock but will never gain his levels of success imagine if he had to compete with the internet

@@arbitrage2141 It's art...but is it genius or compelling art...honestly, to most people, no.

True. Really cool stuff to learn here.

Still, it’s not like this looks any worse then a real one. Is some paint just more “splattier” then others?

@@StretchReality Pollack's stuff is horseshit. $100M for one of his drunken splatter session? Art selling at these price points are bought for shallow bragging rights and b/c it will go up in value cos others said so.

These guys are amazing. Till their show is made - check out the BBC’s “Fake or Fortune” series. Forensics meets fine art- absolutely fascinating. Totally binge-able

Underrated

That’s amazing 😂😂

5:15

I have a pretty good idea of who the guy is.

They didn't miss by using titanium.

id say they succeeded since they've already sold it and the buyer got it tested afterwards

@@zainanwar9281 no, usually a buyer will have it authenticated before they purchase it

@@bluebubble926 you;re talking about sensible people, idiots still exist and some people actually do just take the sellers word

@@zainanwar9281 I'm sure some do, that's why I said "usually". Most people who are around the art world and/or even have enough money to purchase a painting of that renown, know that it is best to make sure your painting is real. The most common practice is for it to be authenticated before you buy it (or sell if you are a decent person and don't know whether a family heirloom is the real deal.)

Rocknrolla reference...

But you can see his name on the letter in 2:06 so....

shhhh

Sydney Pollock is a famous actor

@@alexv5944 It showed a last name. Syndey is a made up first name.

Yea, no one would ever be suspicious about two guys whose job is finding fake paintings trying to sell a painting...

@@AndyChamberlainMusic Just get somebody else to sell it. A collector maybe. 100 million 3 way is a lot still lol.

@@AndyChamberlainMusic I mean, did you ever watch Dexter? And obviously they wouldn't sell it themselves.

Watch white collar and find out 😂

Great Meme Warrior provenance research would bust them

Good one.

Good one.

Good one.

Good one.

*G-good one.*

had a similar thought

I think the entire video was just a staged case to show some mistakes art fakers do

Because most criminals are dopes.

@Robin Nilsson true

@Robin Nilsson then why havent you

It's because it's a Pollock!

Its an important part of art history, although how the art market works is a whole thing entirely, so not really the paintings "fault" but the investors and buyers for the price, it's investment.Is it wild? YES! But is it what it is. Investments, some at least for now

drip drip

Exactly..

*their

They do. They just don't make KZfaq videos about it !

Look up "Beltracchi". He faked literally every expensive painter... successfully. His fakes did sell on big auctions for millions of dollars. I bet he also faked a Pollock.

They are already false reporting in many areas

Uh-oh.

lmaooo

Art

sobs in this was posted a year ago and still holds true

Haha yeah it's so obvious

Yeah, I noticed that too...

Scroll up 8 comments.

it’s just some fake painting anyway.

Mark Vrankovich 7

hahahahahahah

hahaha That was my first thought. Modern art is a scam.

@Kristi Luchi whoosh

@Kristi Luchi - Thank you captain obvious, I watched the video, which was interesting, but does that make modern art legit? I don't think so. Sorry if your feelings are hurt over an opinion.

R/wooosh

I kind of wish they did it with a painting that didn’t look like it was made by a 3 year old.

@@NateTDOM shut up

nah

@@jjjjj8455 he’s not wrong though

@@louieschauer3527 if you believe he is right then you are saying all abstract and emotional non skilled based art is stupid and bad which is not the case

Holy crap, just noticed his shirt.

I thought it was a lab coat until I read this

It's fake.

It's a tide ad

Thank you for noticing. I obsessively hand wash all my shirts.

Search out "Fake or fortune" by the BBC

@@oscard2994 oh my god thank you!

no

@@fetB oh. ok. *walks away head down*

@plazasta hold on. Come back. I'm sorry. I was in a bad mood. I shouldn't have let this out on you. You can have all the expert explain things you want. I'll put a word in for you.

HAHAHAHAHAHHA this comment is the best

Don’t worry. The "artist" doesn’t know how to draw it either.

@@Krishnajha20101 Lolol

You can paint something like this with a bottle of ketchup. You don't have to be able to draw.

Hehehehe smae

@@Krishnajha20101 Just cause this one is abstract doesn't mean he didn't know how to draw.

I think it makes a lot of sense. A painting is an expression of a persons specific character and ideas, and the artist gains recognition for his contribution to an art movement that people like. Would you pay the same for tickets to go see your favorite singer's imitator as you would for the singer him/herself?

Only if you believe in nonsense.

@@jyrn9410 cover bands are actually a thing and greatly respected in certain circles so yeah, if i enjoy the art I'll enjoy it I don't need it to be associated with some name.

I think merit is overrated in general so...

art is just how the super wealthy move money.....

Its an important part of art history, although how the art market works is a whole thing entirely, so not really the paintings "fault" but the investors and buyers, it's investment

That's so ironic in the sense that extremely expensive pieces of art is commonly used for money laundering

@@choojunwyng8028 looks like this painting went through the laundry.

Two words: money laundering.

the real crime is to call it art

And we all love him for it

Matthias Tan no, just you

Ghanem__q8, the valid method to correct Matthias is to phrase your sentence in this way: no, just you. Also, uno reverse card, just u.

@@nin2494 no u

Matthias Tan no w

You can make the video on the condition that you let me sell it again before you release it!

N o

Ba dum thshshshshshshshshhhshshshhsshshhhhhhhhh

Oh, you! :DDDD

i’ve been looking for this

Lmao

[angry professor screeching intensifies]

Thank you for reminding me to turn in my essay

Can relate.

100% plagiarism

I snorted laughing when I read this.

So many fake random squiggly lines. Worth 100 million dollars lmao. Rich people had smart parents.. and then the never had to develop into fucntioning human beings and turned into gullible vegetables you can farm for money. I can't even glame the art community for using them.

Tiep it’s obvious you’re not an artist lmao. it’s obviously more than just random ‘squiggles’

@@wormhunter6340 No, it's really not obvious, and there's no need to get so snobby about it (especially with that username). That kind of elitism is why the art world is so mocked.

Joelle Little the reason why the art world is so mocked is because of uneducated morons like you, sweety :)

Honestly forgery is a sort of art.

They didn't replicate anything, they created something new in the style of a Jackson Pollock painting and used simple aging techniques like dabbing a teabag on the canvas

You might be right but there is a famous art forgery ring that made millions after replicating hundreds of famous paintings. This group existed some 30 years ago in Asia and they had the skill to produce paintings on a sort of assembly line, replete with all the bells and whistles missing here. Cheers

I mean... It is just a bunch of squiggles

@@currymouse Squiggles made with feeling and passion✨

To be fair, all art is emulatable. People will study an artist, their style, and their art in such minute detail that the can produce high accuracy reproductions of all of the great artists. What makes the artist it not to copy, but to originate.

Just because it is valued at $100m doesn't mean it's gonna have some sort of anti-replication system installed lol

@@georgeclarke630 yeah, but you got to realise that for that price you’d expect that It would be difficult to make, but what he correctly said is that it can easily be replicated. If you want I can go into more detail, just like the comment so I get the notification, you can take it back later if you want.

@@georgeclarke630 what would you like clarified

The incredibly interesting name is Polish and because it ends with "czyk" its meaning is "son of a brewer", if it would be only "Piwowar" then it would mean "brewer" 😉

@@TheWTZ1983 cool but idc

Furdy dur Turdy who asked you

he is brazilian, thiago is a very brazilian name and it's not uncommon for brazilians to have slavic surnames, i had a classmate whose surname was rabczynsky

Yup this is absolute trash, at its finest I suppose.

If you know what the piece is supposed to look like the fakes are pretty easy to spot. There's always some RIDICULOUS alteration that sticks out like a sore thumb. Unless that was the joke, in which case I just got the joke and I'm sorry for being overly serious

Congrats!

@@sambaxrock Thank you!

I need to tell you this. I find your way of speaking extremely soothing and relaxing

@@dedissimo I am glad to hear. Thank you for the kind words.

You have the best accent. What kind of accent is it?

Gross

eww

Sell it for millions.

same... at least it's because I'm gettin some tho

lmfao

That's how Pollock got so famous to begin with. His art was worth nothing until he got some attention, then all of it shot up in price because POLLOCK MADE IT.

Not really a study concluded that in a blind test where people were asked to choose between original works and fakes in the same style, the majority of people prefer the originals, you could just buy prints of the original though

Of course they prefer the original, but would they like it enough to pay _literally a million_ more for it? This art industry is not about taste anymore than it is about scam and money laundering.

@@RadenWA If you pay 1 mil for a painting then you've acquired a good that is worth 1 mil, and likely more. The price determines the value, not the other way around, and so you actually haven't lost any money with the purchase transaction, just transformed liquidity into another asset of the same worth.

Moral of the story: collectors don't care about functionality but sentimental value.

It's called a Windows 95 screensaver. Pollock was a con man.

R u kidding

I just wanna smell the tea

That's some tea

You'll need to trace back the authenticity of their education/experience as well

Max Hoffstadt WOOOOOSH

I dont get it, must be stoopid

Because it's true.

I have studied art. My parents are artists, as is one of my siblings. My second cousin is an illustrator. I'm an art student too as well. And, it does look like a 2 year old did it

This is crap and a 2 year old could do better

@@lasvegasmiddlebetslots yeH

I assumed that "Sydney" is some sort of inside joke.

It's actually Sidney, which is an anagram for Disney.

Not even almost. It actually was never mentioned again. Maybe they call anons Sydney in their business generally, though. No doubt many of their projects have anon owners.

Just to add; they may have actually referred to him many times during the recording, and those offhand statements didnt make it in to the final cut of the video because they were about the person not the painting.

I was thinking the exact same thing; It's like we're soulmates.

Neil was definitely much better at forgeries than whoever did this one 😂

Literally just finished RE-WATCHING it lol.

@@FaeLordArveyn96 it’s NOT ON NETFLIX!!!

@@andrewzanoni2681 Correct lol. It is on Hulu!

How to Steal a Million, Audrey Hepburn, Peter O'toole, Hugh Griffith.

Damnit Sydney

There's a BBC series called Fake or Fortune where each episode endeavours to prove the authenticity of a piece of artwork presented to them by its current holder. They go through a variety of these steps as well as traversing around trying to discover the provenance of the paintings. Definitely worth a watch.

Yeah, not gonna watch it...

@@vb8428 ok

I might watch, thanks.

If you guys havent seen it, watch Beltracchi: The Art of Forgery. This is really the greatest counterfeiter *EVER* . Hes insanely good.

its cause of the artist. I took an art history class. does it make sense no but its just cause of the artist

Really its about the artist. You can replicate a Michelangelo statue and it will never reach even a small % of its original value. Its the original and its historically significant therefore it will retain great value unless the whole civilization collapses .

Cracky Sr 😂

Cracky Sr it does. or we’re both high

*That* explains why it looks like tomato sauce & mustard are spilled on it! And the tea.

you used 2 ''it's'' yet only one of them was used correctly :/

@Poptart

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@@AxxLAfriku k.

@@AxxLAfriku Weird plug, but ok.

@@AxxLAfriku weird flex but ok.

@xirsamoht x the joke is that Pollock's first major gallery showing was at the Sidney Janis gallery, in NYC.

Thats not modern art modern art ended in the 1970's you might be thinking of contemporary art

@@samdessino8635 Pollock is definitely modern art tho

'This so-called carrot is actually a parsnip dyed orange'

Too bad nobody in the video has a German accent.

@@photonicpizza1466i agree i think i was thinking about his accent and it could be italian i have an italian friend she talks exacly like him

According to his Facebook page, Thiago Piwowarczyk lists his hometown as São Paulo, Brazil.

@Luiz Guilherme Amaral He's not butchering anything. He has an accent because he is not a native speaker, but his English is very good and you can understand him, which is what matters. There's nothing wrong with having an accent.

Thiago is Brazilian. His english is remarkably good, albeit with a distinctive Brazilian accent and cadence.

good one

There are some

Just watch " Beltracci"

There's an entire series(White Collar) about it and other art crimes... Sometimes it's kinda predictable but it's really funny and worth the time

White collar is a series that pretty good!!!!

Don't watch "Who the f#@k is Jackson Pollock?" It's unclear if it's a fake or not but she held out for more money and got nothing.

Naw that's my mum.

when they're using UV lights, only 1 of the flashlights is actually on.

Probably because the only victims of art forgery are ludicrously wealthy people who are stupid enough to buy something that is pure garbage.

Agree Sarah Dorman. To create the believable forged art one must have excellent artistic craft skill. Maybe not the inspiration, the creativity to create the form, the way of seeing. Then there are the scientists of authentication, looking into the history of the myriad of components speaking to potential authenticity - or lack. I’m an art lover as well as science nerd. Good fun here.

Are there any good documentaries / movies / shows about it?

Ill tell you why- Its price.

the other reason why you may find it fascinating is that a great forgery has to be as good visually as the original, it has to be a perfect copy of a style that the forger has to learn to mimic. It takes incredible skill to forge a painting.

I doubt it. Look up his paintings, there's an artistic value to them, and there were plenty of painters through history that died in poverty and obscurity but whose works were recognized after their deaths - Van Gogh would be a pretty well known example of that. Besides, Pollock painted plenty of paintings that weren't "squiggly random paint all over the canvas", as you put it, but rather done in more traditional styles.

​@@TheAce12570 There may be artistic value to them, but there is not much talent. Almost anyone could do a moderately convincing Pollock fake, but very few could do an equivalent Van Gogh fake. That's not to say Pollock did not have talent. But he's literally dripping paint on his famous paintings. They were famous precisely because of the shock value of how little talent is in employed in this style, and no one would have cared if not for the publicity driven by the acceptance of the modern art community.

Fun fact, in a study, participants (art students and psychology students) preferred modern art painted by an artist over similar looking paintings done by a mix of children, apes and elephants at a rate of about 70%. It may *look* like just a bunch of squiggles, but there's a reason his paintings are so popular.

JamEngulfer everyone who thinks a little bit about where to put a dot or a stroke could do this, that’s not talent

@@JamEngulfer What about male adults with no talent? Of course there's going to be a difference between kids paintings and an adult, no matter how talentless the adult is. They're kids! I painted a square sun when I was one!

If the analysis process is the same whats the point

well... maybe it's so hard to spot a good fake, they haven't got any.

People think Jackson Pollock got paid to make splashes of paint. Nope. He was paid to sleep with rich old ladies. The paintings were just a way of expressing inner turmoil. This is not a Jackson Pollock. The person who made this didn't hate himself enough.

OMG the comment I was looking for. I mean even me, with a video mediation, can tell this does not seem like a Pollock at first sight. Edit : mostly because of the colors and also because of the lack of geometrically structured space occupation by the stains. And I don't even like Pollock that much (at all).

Yeah it takes about 15 seconds to see that this is a fake, but I guess the point of the video was not to show a well done fake but to show the process.

Totel? Hrivago

MuabYT Hoteo? Trivagl

I think this is my favorite comment ever lol

He was first. Also pretty sure he was already an established artist. Also great for washing money. And for rich people to get huge tax cuts.

Its an important part of art history, although how the art market works is a whole thing entirely, so not really the paintings "fault" but the investors and buyers, it's investment

@@dutchik5107 you don't know anything about tax codes...

@@Chironex_Fleckeri buy something. Donate something to a museaum. For charitable donations you get to not have to pay as much tax and it's great for your image. Yeah i don't know everything about the AMERICAN system, because I'm not murican. Hence my name.... no need to get all superior feeling about it.

Money laundering for the rich

@dan cussin lol

@dan cussin Donating art to museums is a very common way to get tax benefits.

I also recommend F for Fake

Agree

So art is a joke???