Wireless module upgrade?

@@anupjsebastian That too!

I’m about to order the Pro (R2) should I wait??? I don’t necessarily need a wheel right this second as I’m only upgrading from a DD2.

@@simucube ordered my simucube 2 pro, can't wait for it guys! 🔥💪🔝

@@riderofthemark6661 Ordered mine yesterday as well as the SimCore UM1-ALN. Now I just need a the Gold HRS Xero-Play V3 and I’ll be ready to roll.

Thanks dude - that's really lovely to hear. :)

Hi have u got a sim yet just wondering

Thanks dude. Keep at it... if you can drive GTR2 with a keyboard, you'll be an alien by the time you get your wheel!

@@ChrisHaye Why, though? :D For a keyboard, you won't find any better than gMotor-based simulators.

Let's get to it.

Agreed, less hype, more experience

@@wayneshephard and no 65" triples

@@untrainedprofessionals2374 ouch!

@@boostedmedia Awww come on. You would've done it if it wasn't sponsored.

Yeah, it's a big step up in terms of feel. I jumped from a T300 to my first Simucube OSW setup, which was a pretty crazy change in feel!

Dammit, the high end gear makes me not wanna get the mid tier 😂

I went from a G27 to an SC2 Pro - properly mindblowing difference 🤯

@@AttilaSzabadkai I'm thinking about getting csw 2.5

You hit the nail on the head of where the difference is. Too many people focus on the specs and numbers rather than being able to differentiate where the advantages are.

@@Klooney9mm I had an oportinity to try Simucube (the best/pricier one). It REALLY delivers where 2cm more/less rotation is important when catching the slides. I'm now actively looking how to squeeze 1.5K in our home budget. Wife will not be happy...

Hey Julio - yeah, regional pricing for sim racing gear is total madness - I've seen some truly terrifying examples. The VRS setup is very similar to the old MiGE based system I was using, it's a great piece of kit and I'm sure you'll be more than happy with it, I know I was!

I hear you mate. I felt sick after buy the Clubsport base and pedals. Some of the money I have seen spent on some of this gear is ridiculous. Coming from real cars and bikes sim racing cost stunned me. Not so much the wheel bases but pedal sets are insane. Real world off the shelf parts are not that expensive.

They will sell that separately, and yes a lot of people are really looking forward to it evenasmuchas the M4 might be out of reach. Not all rims will be compatible though, but will be worth it.

EDIT: i sold the DD1 and got a simucube 2 pro... i was wrong.

Hallo Jumbo

i feel you

You're in for a real treat - it's simply an awesome wheel base!

How much did you pay? Im also in Canada and looking for a Simucube 2

@@hachirokumedia2195 it was $1900 after conversion then $393 for duty, taxes and broker fee…

Wow that's the biggest jump I've heard! If you try a low-end wheel the difference is also night and day.

@@zethyuen8859 😂It was such a huge jump but I was really into video games and I had already played racing games and sims for a few years so I just decided to go all in.

It's certainly possible. Though, I've used 30Nm wheelbases in the past and not had quite the same experience. So... pass!

@@ChrisHaye I've never experienced any type of DD. I'm trying to understand if it's the motor type or how the base firmware/software that makes the difference. Blind testing would be an awesome video but I have no idea how such a test could be done. So many questions. Anyway love your work and great podcast with Boonatix.

@@untrainedprofessionals2374 hey as an engineer I can confirm this is a hardware thing. Torque ripple and magnetic cogging is usually fixed using simulations while designing the hardware. It’s caused by the mechanical design. It’s not because fanatec use an out runner motor like some you tubers suggest. Outrunners are just one type of servo motor and it’s possible to be smooth using outrunners. Fanatec has to do this to leave space for their electronics to connect the wheel in the center of the base. SC doesn’t need this space in the middle as they use a true wireless solution and so they are able to use a good off the shelf motor inrunner motor which is also much more compact. I suspect (not sure) it’s from Lenze on the pro. The cogging is from poor mechanical design. Poor is a bit harsh. I would say it’s truly excellent for Fanatec but compared to some other manufacturers like lenze who just make motors for various applications. The low speed low force cogging is always there. It’s mild and it wouldn’t bother you until someone told you about it or you tried another base. To be honest I felt the clubsport was smoother than the DD at low speeds. You experience this only if the wheel is at slow speeds AND there is less force coming from the game, like in a slow corner or a chicane. So not for most of the lap. Hard to tell the difference between the two at most times, except for the faster response speed of the SC2 which you can notice too. Basically the faster the wheel rotated the lesser you feel the cogging unlike on gears where you always feel it. If you turn the wheel really slow you can feel the wheel jump in between the magnets and it feels properly like steps. If you rotate it’s smooth as it just glides from step to step through the magnetic field. There is no contact like in gears. It is because of the force of the magnets. The improvement fanatec made was add an interpolation filter which makes the games’ FF smoother by increasing the number of data points artificially. This is the same as Simucubes reconstruction filter. They may be able to improve the cogging a little more in the motor firmware if they can somehow tweak the flow of current through the coils and optimize. This approach is like fixing a mistake sort of and might require more processing which the fanatec doesn’t have. I am almost certain it’s not possible to get to SC2 levels. They also have another issue where if you use the display on the DD to display any information on it you get random sudden clunks that are not from the game. They are aware of it and I suspect this has something to do with lack of processing power on the base to handle it. But yeah I really hope Fanatec can prove me wrong. They definitely have some real experts working for them who are far more knowledgeable than me

@@anupjsebastian Mate. Thankyou so much for taking the time to explain this. Nothing beats knowledge.

are you using direct drive for IRFFB?

@@orioltr8387 Yes but since my comment I've actually stopped using irffb. I realised my force feeback settings in iracing were completely wrong, hence why when i switched to irffb i felt such a drastic change

Best be bringing home some flowers tonight lol

OSW typically built with Chinese Mige, SC2 uses a motor made by Austrian company - Lenze.

I actually like the ACC setting - I use it both on AC and ACC. Remember to turn the FFB down to about 30 in-game, and run the base at the highest torque you can handle.

You have any software setup tricks or advice? Just got SC2Pro and having issues falling in love with how it performs in ACC...

Gracias dude!

Food is overrated!

"it's weight reduction, bro"

@@vsm1456 True :D

Every new product Chris tries it's "amazing" and the same set of superlatives he always uses. He's alright but it's hard to get a clear picture of the product at times.

But if anyone does that on KZfaq, they will never get asked to review anything. Like it or not, KZfaq is only designed to sell stuff.

Yeah, there's a lot you can tweak in Fanalabs... which is one of the real strengths of the Fanatec system TBH.

This guy and Race Beyond Matter

Except the DD intrinsically has cogging that is not present in the SC, that bridge will never be gapped.

Yeah, that's the main use case for my Fanatec wheel. Being quick to change between both systems was like 70% of the reason I bought it in the first place :)

There’s a usb dongle u can but that gives full support on consoles, I have not tested this tho

@@SURG3NT I have the Cronusmax-plus dongle. It supports all of the Fanatec wheels, but not anything like the Simucube, Simagic, Accuforce or any other direct drive wheel

@@blklion100 u need the GIMX adapter mate, that works with Simcube

@@SURG3NT I'll have to look into that.

I still prefer AC and Rf2 to AMS2, but completely agreed with you on the self-alligning force. Save for the most expensive of direct drive wheels, it's just nonexistent in iRacing no matter what settings you try. I know people who struggled to transition to other sims from iRacing because they were using visual clues to detect yaw at the rear rather than the self-allgining force in the FFB.

If you aren't already, get yourself IRFFB for iRacing FFB, vastly improves the driving experience.

@@robcampbell6099 I've tried irFFB this week and certainly was better with the Ferrari GT3, but not so much with the Porsche Cup (which is horrible anyway). Also won a P2 in the Radical (one split) yesterday and finally I like that car. I also like the tyre model from it's feeling and finally decent grip, but iRacing don't simulate weight properly, no brake temps simulation, no rain. You get better in iRacing by practicing other games and AMS2 is IMO better in almost all regards on the physics. The Newton laws of physics are better simulated in AMS, Raceroom, rF2, AC, DR2 and even pCars 3 simulates weight better despite much more grip (if it's not raining) and a safety net. Don't get me wrong and iRacing might become my second favorite sim overall, but the physics are overrated.

@@Leynad778 did you ensure that you selected 360hz from the drop down menu in irffb? I ran a couple porsche cup races today and tried the native iracing ffb vs irffb. I much prefer irffb but that's just my opinion. as for other games. I have only spent very little time in others vs Iracing and ACC. Maybe it's because I have spent the most time playing iRacing. I find I can feel the movement of the car and grip levels leaps and bounds over the other sims. AMS2 is good, but I have probably played it the least. ACC has never felt great to me. it feels numb until the rear end breaks loose then the wheel goes light. otherwise it fells like you are just floating

@@robcampbell6099 Just tried the Spec Racer Ford with irFFB and my SC2 Pro feels like a G25 (I guess), so back to the iRacing-FFB. You are IMO right with ACC and AC is so much better in many aspects. Since ACC was absolutely awful from the performance in the early EA-builds I guess they went some shortcuts to spare CPU-cycles. I do feel that with the motion even more. The suspension is much smoother and natural in any other title I know and best example is when driving over sausage curbs. ACC is overrated apart from the visuals.

How come you got the sport? It being the last gen motor put me off for such a small difference in price, but I didn't research further than that...

See it this way, you can’t go wrong, both are great bases, at least in my opinion.

I was stuck between DD1 and Sc2s, I went with Sc2s and am very happy. Given all the things I have heard about the DD1 and 2, I would avoid fanatec for highend.

@@thesign6879, that's what I'm beginning to think. I have a Clubsport V2 now, and it's a gem for the money, but Fanatec's value really seems to be in their mid/low range equipment.

I too went from fanatec clubsport to the SC2 pro and very happy with it. What puts me off fanatec is the their QR system. It needs to be solid and I don't think fanatec QR system was ever intended for direct drive.

Have you seen the flexing on the Fanatec quick release? The Simucube's QR is rock solid.

:/ Its still amazing wheel tho..The dd1 that is

There is still a possibility for the DD1/2 to catch up. They are having troubles with the drivers from day 1, if they really build it with capable hardware its just matter of time to close the small gap.

Fanatec have a 14 day return policy. No questions asked

@@peyopeev8909 actually it is physically impossible to do that. Fanatec have done an excellent job to get it really good at high force and speed levels. So when there is some amount of force acting the wheels are kind of indistinguishable, except for the fast response of SC2. You will feel cogging at low force and low speed in the dd2. Kind of when you take a slow 90 degree corner. I always felt it in the pits. However during a race I don’t even notice as my mind is focused on many things. But while just doing laps I sometimes do notice in the corners. The SC2 is kinda more active too so you feel more of the road. No comparison. Getting rid of torque ripple and cogging is usually done using Finite element simulation (FEM) to optimize the design. It’s a hardware thing. Fanatec has flawed hardware design nothing much can be done to fix the cogging issue. But there are many advantages for fanatec too. It’s so much more plug and play. The display to tweak ff settings without pausing the game. Forza games work without workarounds ( anything that uses Xinput instead of direcInput). Cheaper wheels. And a big one for me was automatically switching profile when switching game. I hope SC add that later.

Also now is not a good time to buy a fanatec DD as they will upgrade the qr with the release of the BMW wheel later this year. It will cost you extra to change the qr unless you stick with the crappy old one for some time. The fanatec qr was excellent on clubsport bases but on dd it’s not a quick release. More like a 2 minute wrestle and release