my favourite starter is the worst one, but I don't care, I like my cool plant dinosaur!

Yep, first thing I thought when I saw the video lol

Me too buddy ​@@gloomy314

Honestly if it just had thick fat it would have more of a niche. As it is, there's no reason to use it

​@@gloomy314If it makes you feel better every starter I have ever chosen is on this list xD.

Waiting for the return of triple battles

You know I'm waiting for quad battles-

How unfortonate was Meganium actually?

when Meganium gets a mega evolution in Legend's Z-A and becomes the best starter by far >>>>

​@@grixan8012No silly the three mega starters will be Mega Incineroar, Mega Charizard z and Mega Charizard A

I remember when the gen 7 games were just coming out, everyone called it the Aslowla region.

Fr, they did Vikavolt's speed dirty Well Vikavolt is fast in trickroom so...

I remmember hearing a lot of talk about power creep and them wanting to avoid it. Ironic with how stupidly strong gen 8s box legendarya are and their abilitys that are just a free stat boost ontop of their insane stats and amazing typings.

The islands and legendaries were lame

@@StoneTheCr0w unless it's name is lunala

Intelleon and Primarina are the most forgettable starters ever. I consistently forget they exist. They're just not interesting.

Chesaught is the actual least remembered stater I know I literally had to look up its name to write this comment

These replies are bizarre

​@@tatecheverria1624 yet you still wrote it wrong😭

Guys... I think you misunderstood the meaning behind this comment

A record for what? Fastest Incineroar mention or slowest Incineroar mention?

@@Pearl_Blossomfastest

furry bottom feeder

​@@Pearl_Blossom slowest, duh. incineroar is made up of 10 letters, so mentioning it in exactly 11 is thinking outside of the box.

I clicked on this video and immediately went looking in the comments for this

Dude thats just sad.

skill issue

meanwhile amoonguss the mushroom: has both spore and pollen puff

@@Roflmao6173 🥲

sceptile is strongest pokemon of ash ( who beat darkrai , who never got defeted )

And! And he helps you restore time!! And THE LIL LEAF. Absolutely perfect pokemon, no notes.

@@yashwantprajapati7794also caught up to deoxys speed form

They hated him too...at first. Legit went out of their way to get him killed and nothing worked. And by the end, they loved their little lump of stupid so much that Lani named his real dog after him

*do not include me on that, "everyone".*

Sperg

@@BJGvideos They got caught faking the next Nuzlocke wouldn't surprise me if Mr.Stake actually died once or twice offscreen

Mr Stake is the GOAT nothing can kill him, even do they tried

Making a 20 second comment just to make him/herself feel better was a bold choice just to make him/herself a abit superior bc he thinks otherwise. Lol but yeah , Meganium is bad, really bad.

Ay bruh issa meme

@@WhatNow505what ☠️ have you never been in a youtube comment section??? you would be livid in a fantano comment section 😭

​@@souljahwitchluvfantano comment section is wild LOL

I swear you pokepeople speak a foreign fucking language lol

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I’m thinking should I destroy people with Meganium

Meganium is trash 🗑️🗑️

my garchomp would rekt this noob

skill issue

Trust me, when both your favourite grass and water starters on this worst starter list(thanks god that my favourite fire one isn't there), but your brother's favourite starter of all types all 3 in the best starter list, it's way more than just hurt. It was a real slander.

Unless we're talking for the campaign specifically, in which case Swampert takes the crown no contest (Meganium is still the worst in that case lol)

​@@MilkyWayGrumpI'd argue Infernape takes the spot for best starter for the story since he's both incredibly fast and hits like a truck, with so much coverage you can reliably sweep even the battles that give it the most trouble. The only thing Infernape dosen't have over Swampert is bulk, but like, you don't need to tank if the opponent is already dead

Swampert especially shreds if you're playing Ruby/Omega Ruby.

greninja?

​@@MilkyWayGrump for campaigns it doesnt even matter really

I think that was the point. It sucks

by an Arbok LOL

And by an ARBOK nontheless

I was hoping that GF would change Meganiums HA to Thick Fat (like they changed Empoleons HA) - we don't have a Thick Fat Grass Pokemon besides Mega Venusaur and it would kinda fit imo. Sure, there is probably more that has to be done, but at least Meganium gets better in what Wolfey mentioned in his video - taking a few hits.

@@bradevit2446 TF wouldnt help meganium almost at all. Its better on a pokemon like Saur because of the poison typing. I honestly dont know what can be done to help Meganium at all. Maybe Fairy typing, or buff leaf guard to weaken spreadmoves in the sun ?

Could someone explain that to me? I don't know much about competitive Pokemon.

It just can’t get a break, too many strays to be caught

Wo-chien exist on the field

​@@Dabazuka Wo-chien is really bad x4 to bug a lot of weaknesses and cant threaten damage, its very slow but not to slow to run it on trick room

Fissure, Ruination, Sand tomb, yawn. Something like that

Loved Typhlosion in triples. Fire Gem boosted Eruption in sunlight, wiped literally half my opponent’s team in a single move.

Bro Hisuian Typhy is good if used right though. I've had it deal with Fluttermane,Basculegion, and even managed to get it to one shot Rapid Strike Urshifu with Eruption so it's really really devastating In singles. Yiu just gotta play around it and be clever. If done right you can end up getting into situations where Typhlosion overwhelms the opponent

and Serperior with Contrary Leaf Storm. she really needs another move to use with it, like Draco Meteor if she were a dragon type

@soaringraven0 Serperior with Draco meteor would be a nightmare I love it. Plus Tera Dragon that thing And yoh got a monster. Plus choice scarf and damn- Flutter Mane would be pissing their non existent pants

But if you use choice scarf instead of heavy duty boots your eruption loses all of its power the second stealth rocks come out.

I wish it it was dragon type from the get'go then it could have learned draco meteor

You wouldn’t get sharpness and over grow at the same time lol

Umm. Buddy, have you played any game before gen 6

@@DCchamp-zn9gk maybe I should have clarified: I meant that they should have given Meganium the Fairy Type like they did to Gardevoir, Azumarill etc :P

​@DCchamp-zn9gk i love how arrogant this reply sounds because everyone except you understood they meant adding it in gen 6, not having it by default lmao

​@@DCchamp-zn9gkhave you?

@@ijneb1248 yes. I’ve played gen 2 3 and 4. Let’s not argue

Ash Gren was more broken than Incineroar ever was.

​@@SamoIsKing ash gren is not good in vgc and he only talks about vgc

@@SamoIsKing Read the name of the channel. . . Really carefully

​@@SamoIsKing ash greninja would never beat mega ray,primal groudon,primal kyogre,and xerneas in terms of usage

​@@SamoIsKingyou know we're talking about doubles right?

Also meganium was way stronger in the early seasons of GO Battle League

TIL Pokemon GO has a competitive meta as well

​@@hoodedstreetmonk352 TIL there's competitive Pokémon GO

Thats why we roll with cyndaquil

So glad my buddy keeps winning

I just love him

We take these. Typhlosion forever.

Cyndaquil line my ride or die forever ✊

fr Delphox is my fave starter pokemon lmfaoo maybe that’s just cause it was my first starter though

Forgettable was just not fair to call it.

​@@vampirelibrarian777 Delphox is the best starter ever and my dead psychic companion

i've always thought people would like it more if it had a better pose in-game, it looks so boring how it's always a-posing, just look at how much cooler it looks on the fanmade animated sprite wolfey used in the video

@@freedom3208 100% agree. So weird that it's just standing up straight, and then the ear fire could've been cool if it was animated or actual fire. Definitely my favorite to use in XY and so disappointing they missed so hard with the 3D model

The best competitive mon is a starter (incineroar) and rillaboom is arguably the second best or third best.

Sceptile's the only mon on the thumbnail that actually made it to the video lol

All three on the thumbnail are my regional picks and I nearly had an ulcer

@@laserbeamlightning Bruh same

same bro

Fortunately scarf eruption will never be bad lol

One's a glass mixed attacker and the other is one of the slowest starters ever with mediocre offensive stats and bad typing. Torterra was done dirty, should've been a rock type.

​@@scrittleare the earth rock tho?

@@alexwijaya6857 Rock and Ground types are fairly similar, with the greatest physical difference being their skin texture. I'm sure Gamefreak could've tweaked Torterra's sprite slightly to make it look rockier, it already has a mountain on its back.

In my Radical Red Randomizer game I got a Torterra with Magnet Pull. It completely changed my perception of it. Now it's my steel type remover.

​@@AeonQuasarthat game changed my perception about meganium: grass/fairy with triage as ability...trust me, you would not call him the worst lol

if this was about singles the incineroar meme on his videos won't exist

@@lillyie I know but its still just weird hearing such stuff of course you cant compare singles with Doubles its already incomparable because of the existence of Moves like Helping hand or Rage powder/Follow Me which only work for doubles while Moves like Spikes,Stealth rock etc which technically work in doubles are mostly used in singles i just wanted to point it out as something showing just how different both Gamemodes are

That's cause his channel name is wolfey "vgc"

Maybe if it wasn't in a format dominated by a Fairy type delete button, and if Rapid didn't exist, it might have eventually found a niche, but yeah, H-Sam just isn't anything special in Doubles

For you non singles players H-Samu is OU (top tier) and normal is *ZU* (the 6th and worst tier). The difference between the 2 is insane

GO GO GO G-G-G-G-GO GO! GOTTA GO FAST!

with blaziken mega also having SB

DAMP!!!

Interesting because that game had the mach bike which at the time made the player move faster than ever before previously.

Additionally, all the Kanto Starter's abilities center around the use of Weather. Venusaur - Chlorophyll, Charizard - Solar Power & Blastoise - Rain Dish & the abilities of Galar Starters mostly revolve around higher damage output. Rillaboom gets to use boosted Grass moves under the Grassy Terrain, Cinderace is able to receive STAB on any type, & Inteleon with Sniper does increased damage whenever it lands critical hits.

Until the end of time itself

Or I could end Time himself with my Meganium, wait for a bit, I’m gonna go destroy Dialga(Again).

Niantic genuinely took pity on the thing lmao Feraligatr as well for that matter.

We need the fairy type for her if we her in ZA

Hearing this makes me want to make a competitive Meganium. Hell all of them!

Hazards are kind of worthless in Doubles since you don't switch nearly as often as in Singles. In Singles, Hamurott is a menace since it will do a huge chunk of damage + set up spikes 90% of the time. Even max bulk Pelipper is eating 31 - 37% of its HP from a single Ceaseless Edge from a Jolly Samurott. Rillaboom is eating 45 - 53% without bulk investment.

I was about to comment about how good it is in singles. Thanks!

Contrary to popular VGC belief, gamefreak does actually consider competitive singles sometimes when it comes to designing mons and moves.

Incineroar is the opposite of Hamurott, which is funny since they're both dark type starters. The Heel Wrestling cat dominates VGC while in Singles, it's in Neverused tier.

Iirc Feraligatr also has a notable presence in singles

It’s mega ability has taken over national dex in Pokémon showdown, so broken

Like sap sipper? No for real though, they could give it regenerator

It actually has almost the same stats as Incineroar, 5 more HP, 5 less attack, and 5 more special attacks. Give it regenerator and some decent support moves and it'd be amazing in VGC

Sap sipper :)

@@DiverseComedyGaming sadly it’s not the same for vgc where all he gets is damp

And emboar was huge for speed running for awhile

Yes, but time sadly keeps going, the model A was probably a beast back in the day…. Too bad nostalgia doesn’t affect stats

emboar had it's time in slightly lower tiers too as a decent pokémon. Just a good wallbreaker­.

Yeah honestly Feraligatr as 3rd worst surprised me. That thing is a demon in the lower tiers. But if this is only talking about doubles then it makes more sense.

as someone who wants to do the same with Blaziken, I hope at least one of us will win and show the world what our starters can REALLY do

I love Fraligator. So I might be willing enough to attempt it one day, just to add to the stat page.

Go ahead

@@alexwijaya6857 not sure about the other guys, but I made a pretty good team and got to the Great Ball tier (I don't have much time to push)

nah I thought the same thing

Why are you watching this crap he's probably a child molester.

What you don't like the unmoving traffic cone?

Venu having Sleep Powder, Chlorophyll, and STAB Sludge Bombs goes a loooong way especially with that extra spattk. Not to mention it got both a Mega and GMax to keep it relevant over gens

That's because Meganium and the other gen 2 staters base stats are literally copy pasted from the gen 1 starters. Feraligatr's stats are the same values as Blastoise, just flipped to be offensive and Typhlosion is the exact same as Charizard.

Hehe. Everything under the SUN indeed

@@Mintysaur I didn’t realize the pun until I said it, but I stand by it 😝

could also say the same about Johto if Typhlosion didn't get a Hisuian form

Honestly I think they're the worst trio of all time and we got stuck with them for two games straight 😭

Nah, its have high speed mid defence, good for supporting Its have glare, a recovery move(im forget the name but grass type move), and coil. Atleast its do something for me

@@Robscule Synthesis?

When Gen 5 came out, I hacked in a Sandile as my starter, because it was more interesting to me than the starters they offered.

what if I had eruption:

Zard: -What if?- I am gonna get 2 mega evolutions in the next game

That person is unhinged if they exist

and it sucks for them that those pokemon sucks,and they deserve better

I could totally believe all the grass starters here were someone's favourites because they are all really cool

I’d believe it. Majority of what is covered in this video is not relevant to what makes people decide their favorite starter. The start of the video says as much, it’s just looking at competitive viability.

Samurott and Decidueye are my 2 favorite starters. Both were given non sensical trash stat distributions, useless abilities and a mid movepool and nothing to compensate

Because of serperior’s speed and access to light screen and reflect its more likely to set up and survive than meganium is anyway since meganium is likely to be sniped. Plus serperior having better speed allows its contrary damage to rise and even before contrary sword dance or coil helped it a lot

does the anime also explain why Blaziken got Speed Boost as a HA and got banned from singles for 3 gens straight?

@@MegaSpamziken1996 first off, that was most likely an oversight. Prior to Gen 5, Gamefreak didn't realize how powerful Speed Boost could be, as the only Pokémon that could get it before Blaziken were Pokémon with bad stats and even worse typing, namely Ninjask ans Yanmega. Second of all, Gamefreak doesn't balance for singles.

@@arthurfleck4320 fair enough I guess, thanks for the explanation😁

​@@arthurfleck4320blaziken without speed boost is still really good though

@@arthurfleck4320 they don't balance for single battles but they knew the oppresive nature of hazards and added heavy duty boots by gen 8. hazards are almost never seen in vgc yet they added it for the singles players

Yep. As someone who likes the line, it get ALL the relevant moves (Reflect, Light Screen, Giga Drain and Heal Pulse if you get it as an Egg Move) with 120 in both defenses being better than Meganium's 100. Like, if you wanted Meganium to Do It's Job, the job its movepool says it should do, cute 40 Speed and a lot of Atk since it uses neither, give that to defenses and SpAtk, put it in Trick Room, and let it be the annoying screen-setter/drainer it WANTS to be.

You also need to give it Calm Mind and/or Earth Power since it doesn't have them already. Grass and Fairy are both negged by Fire, Poison, and Steel types. Without a way to set up or hit those types for SE damage (I mean, it does have EQ), it's just going to be a particularly fat lizard rather than a real threat.

Incineroar vs contrary

This so much. GF's design sense for Sceptile is criminally bad.

Sceptile was never a physical attacker. In gen 3 it was still a special attacker, but grass moves were all special in gen 3 so leaf blade was actually good on it. Then when the physical/special split came in gen 4 they made leaf blade physical which made it a worse option on Sceptile but a good option for the other pokemon that got access to it in gen 4, with Sceptile now having energy ball to replace leaf blade. Energy ball and leaf blade even have the same base power so Sceptile didn't lose anything, if anything it preferres energy ball over leaf blade because of energy ball's chance to lower the target's special defense instead of leaf blade's higher critical hit chance.

​​@@XC11301991 phys and sp. attack split only came after gen 3 lmao

​@@Palosaks facts

Knowing Gamefreak, they probably just didn't want to have all 3 Hoenn starters be physical attackers.

Red: plays Blastoise Me: "not so fast"

Ironically it was the best starter of the 3 when it came out in gen 2.

@@thundereagle4130 i reaaaaally doubt it

@@iancastro1327 Watch False Swipes Gaming's video about Maganium or look up some Smogon articles about the gen 2 meta game/Meganium. Tough ''good'' is subjective. All 3 starters where bad. Only Meganium had some good matchups since the gen 2 meta is all about bulk.

In my tier list, it's only one in the F rank and I'm just mad about it.

@@thundereagle4130 That's not when it came out. We didn't get "metas" until ADV. That was when the game as we know it started being played. Everything before then was just using stadium as a medium.

...or they just do what Radical Red did? Make it grass/fairy and give it Comfey's ability of priority on all heal moves? (yes, that includes moves like Giga Drain, meaning prio Giga Drain)

Still trash... it needs better bulk and movepool... i hope they give it a mega form and boost the right stats in that form

@@exgardevior Arguably fairy typing is the best type in the game alongside steel. Sure, it'll not be seen in OU and doubles, but it might at least make it viable in the lower tiers.

@@Dragonoid269 people fangirl fairy typing too much, i don't see it being that good defensively unless paired with another S tier typing (like fairy steel and fairy water) and it also synergizes poorl with grass, they don't compensate each other at all. Honestly i think meganium is a lot cause it would need a major rework, and something that actually matters, should probably start by giving it spore, then maybe something else can start mattering.

@@luigimanzelli3786 It's the math on the type chart that actually says Fairy is way too strong. Defensively, the 5 best types are Steel, Ghost, Poison, Fire, and Fairy according to the math. Fire is held back defensively by being the only type that is weak to BOTH of the top 2 offensive types. For the record, Water and Electric are 6th and 7th, and no other types can reasonably be considered good defensive typings. Offensively, Ground and Rock take the top 2 spots indisuptably, being the only two types with more super effective interactions than resisted/immune, and on top of that ALSO having a large number of super effective interactions. There are only 5 types that have equal numbers on each side, those being Fire, Water, Ice, Flying, and Fairy. Those are the top 7 offensive typings. In addition, there are other good coverages types for seeking neutral/super effective damage, either through having a lot of things it hits for super effective damage like Fighting or by having very few things that it doesn't hit for neutral or better like Dragon or Ghost. Other offensive typings have their niches to be sure, but this is just how the chart breaks down. If you'll notice there, Fairy, Fire, and Water are the only ones appearing in the top 7 on both sides. But, Fairy also has the distinction of not having negative interactions defensively with any of the good offensive types. The only way to take advantage of its weaknesses is to use bad moves. The reason Fairy is the single best type in the game is because it is good on both offense and defense, without the glaring weaknesses to other top contenders that the rest have. To be fair... Steel is a horrible offensive type, but also by far the best defensive type. As in, if you take every possible type combination, there are 171 possible typings, and the top 15 are all Steel dual typings. It is a contender for best type not by being good at everything, but by being so much better than everything else at what it does that you cannot ignore it. All this to say... if you're asking what the best type is, the only ones even in contention are Steel, Fairy, and Ground. There isn't a legitimate argument for any of the rest. A bit wordy here, but since I've done all this breaking down, a few more notes won't hurt. Water and Fire both resist 3 of the top 7 offensive typings, and while Fire has a better balance of weaknesses to resistances it is also weak to both of the top 2 offensive types while water is weak to 0 of the top 7 just like Fairy. However, where Water may have a debatable lead defensively due to how important its specific resistances and weaknesses are by comparison, Fire is the better offensive type to balance that out, both hitting exactly 1 of the top 7 defensive types for super effective damage and Fire's being the objectively best defensive type, while Fire also just hits more total types for super effective damage on top of that. Short summary... Type chart math. That's what makes Fairy the best type in the game.

Thank you fellow Chesnaught fan

Chesnaught Is súper Bulky and got cool support moves , Pretty good my Man

I think chestnaught is hated for it's design not his usefulness it looks like a weird grandpa.

@@gergabbin933 exactly. when first heared the community hated the final evolution of chespin (who is f.cking cool, design-wise), i was like "wht? really?". then its final evo came to my mind, together with greninja&delphox, and i was like "understandable.."

FACTS chesnaught underrated defensive god

Grass' type matchups aren't really where grass shines though. It's the unique characteristics and abilities grass types have which makes them useful (especially the fact that powder and spore moves don't work at all on grass types)

@@MeargleSchmeargle those are traits that were added later, and none of that matters if you can't survive more than 2 or 3 turns in battle

There's no competition for best double battles Starter.

hint: it's a dual Fire type, introduced after gen 2 and before gen 8, has one of the most broken abilities and used to have a signature move, before it was turned into a TM the following gen

i love your chi-yu goofy photo

care to explain? I don't know the backstory but sounds fun

MoxieBoosted brings Wo-Chien to every regional

ME TOO HOW

Yeah, that hurts

it's alright. all these mons have their different purposes. Some of them are decent in singles, some are good when playing through the game, and decidueye is really cool in pokemon unite. It's unfortunate what happened to magnium. It's a sun based grass type born in a gen without abilities or strong weather. As the gens went on it never got the buffs or expanded movepools that other starters got and so it just kinda stayed bad. Conceptually meganium would be a good mon for running things like bodyslam, synthesis, solar beam, stun spore, leech seed, (follow me if we're talking doubles), rest, maybe even earthquake or some other coverage move for damage. It would basically sit there and deal chip damage while healing in the sun and spreading status. In theory a pretty cool mon.

Could also use a second typing, grass dragon ,or grass fair would work fine.​@@FlamingZelda3

The thing is Typhlosion actually has a niche as a fast Eruption user, having great speed and usable SpAtt and access to the aforementioned Eruption, it is actually usable unlike most of the stuff on this list.

@@user-ir1rs7jq6u Hisuian Samurott was done dirty for being an OU pokemon. But then again, he was purely speaking from a VGC standpoint

Inteleon saw (very very minor) usage in SwSh with Razor Claw Gigantamax Shenagans.

Inteleon may not be amazing, but it's definitely stronger than any of these starters

That's because Feraligator's stats are Too Balanced. It doesn't excel at ANYTHING other water types cannot do. Meanwhile Inteleon goes the opposite direction with amazing speed and special attack but frail af and the attack is only middling at best. Greninja is SLIGHTLY faster but also a weaker special attacker, Primarina is SLIGHTLY higher SpAtk but much slower, while the only other Water Type to beat all three is Iron Bundle as of Gen9. So it has a niche last gen: super fast water special attacker.

@@Kereea inteleon has bad stats, compared to the other Galar Starters. And Primarina is reasonably Slower. And Water Types are considered the Bulkier Type, and Inteleon is not one of the Bulkier mons. And it's sadly isn't a fan-favorite like Feraligatr is.

@@hellothere2570 at least the Mid-Mons would handle Inteleon.

weird choice to include him fr lol

Maybe that Empoleon has torrent lol