The most idiotic comment I've ever come across...!!!

Hi Orthodox brother! I could not agree more in terms of the beauty of Catholic music and architecture, however adding Filioque to the creed changes the whole trinitarian theology established by the ecumenical councils, and also Catholics have the wrong understanding of episcopal authority. Those two are the issues of great importance. And although I would call Catholics separated brethren rather than heretics (comes from someone whose father is a catholic) It is important to remember that they have excommunicated themselves in 1054. I wish our Catholic brothers repent and be received back to the church, Amen!

@@Lev_Tretiakov The Catholic Church has always acknowledged the Creed of I Constantinople (A.D. 381), since Pope St. Leo I ratified both the Council and the Symbol (the Creed) in A.D. 451. The addition of the filioque is a development of the Creed that in no way contradicts the earlier version any more than the development and subsequent change of the Creed between the time of the Council of Nicea (A.D. 325) and I Constantinople represented a corruption of the Creed then. The older Apostle’s Creed did not have the section of the Nicene Creed that says of the Holy Spirit “the Lord, the giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father (“and the Son” was, of course, added later), God from God, light from light, true God from true God, consubstantial with the Father.” This was added in the fourth century as an antidote to the Macedonian heresy that denied the divinity of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, the Catholic Church agrees with the Orthodox that the Father is the first origin of the divine life of the Trinity. The Council of Florence in 1438 explains: “The Holy Spirit is eternally from Father and Son; He has his nature and subsistence at once (simul) from the Father and the Son [filioque]. He proceeds eternally from both as from one principle and through one spiration.” The affirmation of the filioque does not appear in the Creed confessed in 381 at Constantinople. But Pope St. Leo I, following an ancient Latin and Alexandrian tradition, had already confessed it dogmatically in 447 (Quam laudabiliter) even before Rome, in 451 at the Council of Chalcedon, came to recognize and receive the Symbol of 381. The use of this formula in the Creed was gradually admitted into the Latin liturgy (between the eighth and eleventh centuries). At the outset, the Eastern tradition expresses the Father’s character as first origin of the Spirit. . . . The Western tradition expresses first the consubstantial communion between Father and Son, by saying that the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son (filioque). . . . This legitimate complementarity, provided it does not become rigid, does not affect the identity of faith in the reality of the same mystery confessed. The filioque was also added, to combat Arianism. The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ and chose Peter to build the church and be the first Pope, which must live on. The Catholic Church is the true Church which some eastern sects have unfortunately strayed from. With hope in Christ, one day the Eastern Christians not in communion with Rome will repent, convert (even to Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church) and we may all strive to live a life of true faith.

First of all, thank you for your willingness to engage in a respectful discussion, my friend. Now, onto your point. You seem to suggest, correct me if I'm wrong, that the addition of Filioque to the creed was a continuing development of the creed rather than heresy. That would be a solid argument if not for the fact that, for example, clarification about the Holy Spirit made in 381, was enshrined into the creed in a proper concealeratory manner, just like all such changes should be done, as described in the book of acts, chapter 15. The addition of Filioque, on the other hand, was made singularly by the Bishop of Rome who thereby tried to attribute to himself the authority no single Bishop had. This is supported by the fact Pope Leo III himself acknowledged in the 9th century, that no Pope alone has the authority to change the creed because "it belongs to the whole church". This vital understanding seems to have been lost two centuries later, when Roman Pope has not only added Filioque to the creed, but by doing so claimed the supreme authority over all the other Bishop, contrary to how it was done in Acts 15 and in 7 ecumenical councils that followed. So, 381 addition and the addition of Filioque are not merely the same. If you have something to add, please feel welcomed to further participate in our discussion, thank you

Поразительна неуёмная тяга вроде бы разумных человеков к самоклеймлению, и жёсткой привязке себя к одной из сект, каждая из которых заблуждается по своему. Высший Разум Вселенной не позволяет, и не позволит узнать неразумным человекам истинное сокровенное знание о нем самом, и об устройстве Мироздания.

You: *flying* Choir: I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth... Yeah I imagine that

Lol, thank you! :D

Thanks a lot. What confuses me is that every score i find and every version i listen to has only 2 Credo-Cues for Tenor and Soprano!!! It would have made much more sense if the whole middle part with the soloists was the Credo-Part and in the beginning and at the end tutti (witch choir) sing Kyrie.

@@musikkontextscarabino3656 Sorry, I don't understand. °°

@@musikkontextscarabino3656 Are you talking about lyrics in the score only being written for the soprano and tenor (choir)? In this case, it means that the same text is shared by the female voices (SA) and also the same text is shared by the male voices (TB).

@@SPscorevideos The whole "più andante" in the Kyrie-Movement with the soloists singing sounds like what i would consider to be the Christe Eleison part. Musically in this mass i hear Kyrie (Choir, andante maestoso) - Christe (Soloists, più andante) - Kyrie (Choir, andante maestoso). But in this case, we only hear the words "Christe Eleison" for three bars (1:16), not even sung by the whole quartett but just Tenor and Soprano. The only thing that happens there is that it suddenly changes to C-minor. But otherwise i'm used to hear a very clear difference between music for the Kyrie and music for the Christe part. Just compare it to other Kyrie movements: - The Spatzenmesse (K317) has very distinctive themes making the order Kyrie - Christe - Kyrie - Christe clear to everyone, or - in Mozarts Requiem the kyrie-theme is presented by the bass with slower notes and a distinctive diminished 7th jump from b-flat to c-sharp, while the alto presents the Christe theme with its fast coloratura... I'm just having a hard time understanding (or accepting) that Mozart really intented it this way, no matter how young he was. And I can't find anyone discussing this short christe cue of three bars in the internet either...

You would have very little luck finding this kind of music played in an average Catholic Church these days, unfortunately. The Church has had much of its beauty and art stripped and dumbed down since the Second Vatican Council. Every once in a while, though, you do find the odd mass with a bishop where music like this is played. One such mass occurred in America with Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke. It was a requiem mass that was accompanied by Mozart's famous Requiem Mass in D Minor.

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Exactly, the similarity (almost identity) between this Agnus Dei e Dove sono i bei momenti is well known. ;)

Impossible, he's a child himself; a supernova- child !!

Uhm, I'm pretty sure there wasn't any side drum involved in this recording. Can you give me an exact timing of a moment in which you hear a side drum?

@@SPscorevideos I thought it was with the 2 demi upbeats - but maybe it's a rather bright, rattley timpani? I just wondered whether they wanted to make it a bit more "regal" to go with the "Coronation"... :-)

@@lawrence18uk Oh, yes, that's just the timpani! It's probably because they are original instruments, so they sound different from modern timpani. :)

@@SPscorevideos My first thought was, that he meant just that it sounds cool, knowing its timpani. But don't know.

Very similiar to "Dove sono i bei momenti" from Nozze di Figaro

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I didn't know this piece! Yes, it will be online when I'm done with Saint-Saëns' Symphonies! :)

Come into the fold. Accept Jesus Christ cause he loves you beyond all measure. I pray that this message changes you in the mighty name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

@@marioneira777 Sorry, I am also an atheist and loves this music. There are things which go far beyond any believe in a god. And what do you tell muslims? Jews? Buddhists? How do you know that your religion, which has been tought to you since you where a child (so what else should you believe) is the only true one? Music is the only medium which connects any person, independent of all religion...

I'm an Atheist because I started thinking for myself at the age of 4. That's when I started learning the Violin. I'm playing this work tomorrow in an orchestra. Musically it's a great work. Religiously it does nothing for me. I simply listen to the music. Think for yourselves don't go along with what is accepted by others. And don't quote the Bible in your reasoning because that proves to me you are brain washed & not thinking for yourself. Don't believe stuff just because someone else does, figure it out for yourself. Read some Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins, they figured it out 😆

@@marioneira777 I see. you're still not thinking for yourself. Have you ever wondered why your Jesus friend kills your loved ones with cancer etc? Have a listen to Christopher Hitchens. He's sussed out what makes the world tick.

Adam Sisler Yes, as a amateur violinist I usually follow the 1 rat violin part. Really demanding, specially the Credo. It’s almost a motto perpétuo.

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Ryan Robinson YOU ARE LATE AND THAT IS ASIN YOU TERRIBLE PERSON

Me... I like it though, good stuff! (In my opinion)