Schöne Grüße aus Berlin! Recent subscriber, enjoying your videos, Danke! Just flashed my ThinkPad following your skulls video ^_______^" I road tested Dvorak for a couple of weeks before developing my own custom Colemak layout. I started with a 128key split ortholinear design positioning the numpad and some shortcut keys in the middle to space my hands out in more even alignment with my shoulders. A thumb cluster of 7 keys per hand. 4 layers. 0) Colemak 1) Fn 2) Qwerty 3) WASD/Gaming. www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/71b0eb4790ea5565ae34 The reason for the separate gaming layer is because I created my own dropped Colemak layout where rather than my home row being straight, I raised the ring and middle finger up a row so they can rest naturally. I found this to be the most comfortable layout for me personally when it came to typing, but it naturally sucked for games. I personally found Colemak even in it's generic form on a traditional staggerd laptop keyboard to be more comfortable than Dvorak after the same period of time and it has the additional benefit of retaining shortcut keys and many other familiar key locations. After completing my build I decided I wanted to have a trackball in the center to balance the work load from any mouse movements and eliminate strain from over extending my shoulder during mouse heavy workloads, so I set about building a 256 key split ortholinear keyboard which gave me the ideal distance between my two hands. Here is a reference in case you are interested: www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/3418e1b29839de60912ec36a24a557a1 The shortcuts are specific to my custom i3wm setup but are selected to maintain as much backwards compatibility with several Linux desktops, Windows and Mac OS in that order. Not that I would use them for anything other than compatibility testing XD

Install Gentoo.

QWERTZ 😀

Reply for Colemak.

colecrack

I still have to buy a trackball and install OpenBSD with cwm

@@WolfgangsChannel is that your final form?

@@WolfgangsChannel in my experience trackpoint is enough

@@Kerbiter not when you're docked

Now he just needs blank keycaps 😂

It’s interesting as if you search “august Dvorak” on google, you are given images of Antonín. As far as I can tell, there is only one image of August Dvorak available online and he looks nothing like his musical maybe-but-probably-not relative.

@@SovietOnion Not really surprising, as one of them is world famous and the other one made an obscure keyboard layout that one time.

Actually, Antonín Dvořák And August Dvorak were distantly related.

Yup, I'm a classical musician, I thought this video was gonna be about music, like I mean the channel is named Wolfgang and yk Dvorak so yeah

I clicked on this video expecting musical cricism, stayed out of interest

He actually said that.... The absolute king

the fastest typist in the world learned alt layouts and said qwerty is his favorite

@@tuananhdo1870 I have used my slightly customized(switched i and u and some minor improvements for my native language and for coding use) form of dvorak-layout for 2 years now. I can write 70 wpm but that is just me.

Jack _ bro I’ve been there and QWERTY will induce wrist pain from how often you’re stretching out your hands.

all they have to do is be a good touch typest and switch the keyboard layout back to normal. I don't look at the keys at all.

You no longer have problems? Less strain I'll believe for sure, but changing your keyboard won't magically cure RSI nor will it eliminate the chances of developing one! Typing on any keyboard produces strain.

AdvancePlays I don’t plan on arguing with you. If you have wrist problems Dvorak will help. That’s my claim.

@@markm0000 I wasn't responding to your comment

Ultra instinct

It took me about a month to be able to use it without a reference. I used gnutypist to learn. It's a ton more comfortable than qwerty hunt & peck! :D

I have a hint for you She learned it the same way I did ... By actually using it

I can see why you left her lol

I did it this way and it taught me how to touch type. I'm back on qwerty and so much faster because of my time on dvorak (actually colemak).

@@danilodeklerk7422 Despite my comment I am still contemplating using Dvorak, it's just the hjkl that I'm REALLY not looking forward to giving up.

@@connorWithTheReallyLongHandle I actually learned vim after I switched to Dvorak, so I only really know the Dvorak mappings and can't make a completely fair comparison, but there's really nothing that's awkward or uncomfortable. J and K are still next to each other (the QWERTY layout's C and V keys), and H and L are your right hand index and pinky, so they should feel similar (and H is still to the left of L, otherwise yes, it would be really unintuitive. When using vim both hands should be on the keyboard, so it's not much of an issue to be using two hands rather than one. I tend to use {, }, w, t, and f for navigation more than HJKL, and you stop thinking about the actual letters after a bit anyway.

@@mudlums Yeah, it's just that not only do I need a new keyboard layout for general typing but then I also need to remap my mind on VIM as well

@@danilodeklerk7422 I know but I still like having it there. I am probably going to switch despite the hell of getting used to the Dvorak directional keys. The biggest pain will be that my entire setup revolves around VIM keys and not taking my hands off the home row, that's y I'm so hesitate to switch.

@@danilodeklerk7422 I think vim is mean to work with qwerty, so using the default key bindings is inefficient. I just got it though, and haven't put the time to learn it yet, so I don't know much about it.

True. Dvorak is ten times better.

Why would that be a reason to use QWERTY? You don't unlearn keyboard layouts.

And how often would you have to even do that? Lol. Hunting and Pecking would work just fine if you ever need to go on someone else's computer

@Kurt M. Fair, but if youre on for over, say, 10 minutes, itd be way easier to just go into their settings and add Dvorak, its not that hard, and on Windows you can easily change it back using CTRL+Shift

Well I've written with qwerty for about 14 years with touch typing and now I've been trying to learn workman layout, it took me about 2 hours to learn were the keys were, but I couldn't write fast, but practice made me write a little bit faster and I usually take about 10 minutes and can go back to qwerty without a problem, it's just those 10 minutes of remembering muscle memory.

I've been pretending that that was the joke for half a year now please send help

hello what is emergencia

Noukkis new world was composed with this keyboard

I came here expecting a video about Antonin Dvorak using 3rd inversion Amin7 chords, but this is also interesting

​@@avery556 Second movement of the 9th Symphony, is it? Goes from G to Amin7/G if I remember correctly.

Well german has qwertz but azerty is honestly something else

@@fuumax7969 I grew up with AZERTY and it's just annoying af. W and M are on a terribly uncomfortable place, games RARELY automatically adjust the mappings, the numbers on the top row only work with caps. AZERTY is however great for accents and what not, I can probably type most European special UNI characters with this keyboard while with a QWERTY you would have to use ALT codes.

1 percent of the earth's population is about 76 million and Frances population is 66 million so its not even 1 percent

belgian AZERTY guy here! honestly i love it! one thing to mention tho is that i grew up never changing game controls, so i still use WASD even tho it should be ZQSD on azerty, wich leads to an interesting finger placement while gaming! the W is where the z is and the A is the top key, so you can kinda invision what that looks like

@@tank1503. Yeah, but my point is that the sentence is not true if you live in France, because then you'll see an azerty layout in 99% of the cases Edit: Also, remember that not everybody has access to technology, so it's false to assume that 100% of the Earth's population get to see computers on a regular basis

still using dvorak?

@@jetowl57 I actually just quit my job and switched careers, I only use a laptop now, so no. If I go back to sitting in front of a computer all day then I’ll use it again.

Depends on how often you practice QWERTY! If you keep typing in both layouts, your brain will probably adapt eventually. Though I had to learn two layouts when I was a teenager (Russian and English), so maybe it helps? At the same time, ditching QWERTY and its poor ergonomics is kind of the point of Dvorak, and forcing yourself to type QWERTY regularly defeats the purpose.

I can help you answer too as I've been using Dvorak for about 8 years now. Sometimes I have to use QWERTY on other computers which might take a second or two for my brain to adapt and "remember" the layout but I have very little problem going between them both. At the most, when I use QWERTY now I get annoyed and want to go back to Dvorak. I feel that my fingers have to move so much more on QWERTY haha

​@WolfgangsChannel When I was studying Russian, I insisted on learning the Russian keyboard format (which, now that I've not been studying for a while, means I can uselessly type in Cyrillic), and at least for me, I couldn't type out Russian words phonetically in the Latin alphabet or vice versa without a lot of mental effort. Once I was in "Russian mode", my brain associated sounds with the proper keystrokes, and it was really hard to revert unless I was, in fact, typing in English.

Another longtime Dvorak user here. Over time I've gotten out of practice at QWERTY, to get back into the mindset I have to type my name or an old password first and launch straight into whatever I actually need to type. Once I get into the flow I can do it, but if I think about it too much, suddenly I can't find the key I'm looking for lol

The whole point is to learn Dvorak and the touch typing. Torturing yourself not once, but twice, to learn 2 layouts for the same language is inhumane.

Thank you, my friend

Please, I need to know: What‘s the video you played while showing the vim cheat sheet?

@@oogieboogie1252 just look up "bruh look at this dude"

Fuck off, normie.

@@WolfgangsChannel you put an image of antonin dvorak, not af august dvorak

Type 'fastest', its my fav word to type

fastest and minimum are annoying to type >:(

Sounds like you're typing it wrong then o.o. Index - F pinky - A Ring finger - S Index - T Middle - E Ring - S Index - T has a nice lil hand slide over while doing it

@@ryanzwe I type it like this: Index - F Ring - A Middle - S Index - T Middle - E Middle - S Index - T I guess I use my index and middle finger a lot lol, I only use my pinky for ctrl/shift and... That's pretty much it I think lol

@@Weroleytor Thats so weird lol.. Your fingers should naturally be sitting on on A S D F , so you should be able to type FAS without moving anything at all

Hooray for Workman!!

@Soniku Raharu Sounds like an ad hominem argument to me, but I'll bite. I never said I wasn't touch typing, I said I wasn't doing it properly. (You can type without looking at the keyboard in more ways than what a tutor will teach you.) Specifically I hated split keyboards since I would always use the wrong hand to type the letter "b" and I had a "floating right hand" which shifted between two home positions (one key to the right) which is apparently somewhat common for people who learned to touch type by just doing a lot of programming. I have not personally seen a lot of evidence to suggest that alternative keyboard layouts actually increase typing speed (clearly a lot of people can type qwerty faster than I could by a wide margin) so given that there are two variables at play here: the layout change, and the fact that I now type the way everyone says one should type it is likely that the latter is the cause for the increase in speed. The best of both worlds comment meant that I get the increased comfort of typing without the addition of awkwardness that's inherent to Dvorak for technical use cases. If you type mostly prose then I would agree that Dvorak is comfortable, but when one of the most common Linux commands "ls" is typed exclusively with the right pinkie it became obvious to me that the layout was not designed for what I do. I realize that Wolfgang found the layout just fine in his opinion, but that's just that my opinion and his opinion. They can differ, which is why they're called opinions. As a side note here, the reason I switched layouts was specifically for comfort as my RSI was getting pretty bad. The flare ups have mostly gone away since then. It riding on being "the first" is entirely my point. People think about switching keyboard layout and immediately go to Dvorak which seems to be forgetting why they might want to switch away from Qwerty in the first place. That is, that the first is not the best. When doing research it appears that Colemak, Workman, et al can outperform Dvorak in most metrics while having specific benefits for non-prose workloads due to the additional design considerations that they made. I'm not saying that Dvorak's work is without merit, just that when you look at the landscape today the only thing I see keeping it alive is that it's a relative household name. Recommending something you never used is not as weird as you think. For example if someone asks me to recommend them a computer to buy I don't say "get a Threadripper" because that's what I use. A car person might only drive sports cars but hopefully would recommend other types of vehicles if they theoretically suit the person better. Everyone has different needs, and while I might want to put in the extra effort to learn a more obscure layout, I can look at the perceived benefit it gave me and weigh it against external factors and come up with a reasonable default. I do of course mention that I use Workman and I will tell them I like it, but I don't know for a fact it's better than Colemak or any other derivative like for example Norman. Which brings us to what I mean by "ecosystem." If you look for typing tutors they're more likely to have Colemak support than whatever random derivative. If you're buying a new keyboard you can find keyboards with hardware support for Colemak so that the OS doesn't need to be set to Colemak. By default Colemak is supported in macOS, where as Workman is only Linux and others probably not at all. Keep in mind this is compared to Workman, obviously Dvorak is even better in terms of ecosystem but that goes back to my original point where I think Dvorak is just not that great of a layout. Ultimately if you like Dvorak and it works for you great! I just think that since Dvorak's time we've made progress and thus the layout is now overrated.

Hell yeah man, I also use Workman & I love it! I feel like it's the least known layout out there, which is too bad. My personal complaints about Workman, is the placing of 'F' & 'L' makes things like the word 'fly' kinda weird, but once you learn to hit 'L' with your thumb after 'f's', then it still feels pretty damn good. At times I can type around 50-60 WPM. Also, replacing the Caps Lock key with Backspace (I used Keytweak) helped heeps, & recommend it to everyone, regardless of layout.

I personally use (customized) Programmer Dvorak and I love it for programming.

I use Colemak and I like it but it does cause my left hand to cramp up something terrible within a minute. It may be my keyboard (TypeMatrix), but I've considering heading to Mod-DH or some derivative.

thank you!

Yea lol

Yeah, exactly what I thought

Sick

Haha, I use Dvorak when using a keyboard, but use a swipe keyboard in QWERTY on my phone. I've tried switching my phone to Dvorak, and feel like a complete beginner again when I try to swipe-type anything.

Look, you think anyone interested in learning Dvorak can get step 2 done?

@@squorsh preach brother

@@MellowSkyy Of course not lol

I know the 4-step guide thing was kind of a joke, but here's how I learned if anyone's interested. Tutorials for learning it are a waste of time imo. I just used the "show keyboard viewer" option on macOS in the corner of my screen along with having my keycaps labelled in the QWERTY layout to force myself to learn it. It took 2-3 weeks to not need the keyboard viewer anymore, and maybe a month to be able to touchtype quickly in it - keeping in mind that I couldn't touchtype in QWERTY prior to this (my QWERTY speed has gone up as well in this time, but not nearly as much as my Dvorak speed), I quickly became much faster in Dvorak than QWERTY. TL;DR: typing tutorials are a waste of time, put a keyboard viewer in the corner of the screen and do what you'd normally do in the day using it and you'll learn it within a month - or at least, that's what happened with me.

It takes some time, but not as much as I thought. Good luck!

korean is also designed to alternate consonats with vowels in the first place

I always had used QWERTY, and then I moved to France and discovered AZERTY. Ctrl+Z becomes Crtl+W caused me many problems. The worst thing was when I found out my French friends were using AZERTY when gaming, without remapping the WASD keys. The W falls bellow the S and the A is higher than the rest. It's impossible!

@@inigo8740 They are the exception, then. Basically everyone remaps their keys to ZQSD. I believe some games even have these keys as default on their French client. Though sometimes developers don’t give the option to remap the keys and everyone who doesn’t use qwerty is stuck with stupid controls.

@@eyjzdrkxjqzfuhqyzybf When I used to play browser games only I had to use WASD on an azerty keyboard. It was kinda awkward but I got used to that. Then when I played "real" games I had the option to remap luckily.

i didn't get that reference

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@M'asuda the Liar what?

@@WolfgangsChannel theres a huge ass Valve operated "Computer" called dvorak doing crypto related stuff driving the main Story of the game....

I see you're a man of culture as well.

There are many people say its worth the effort. So give its a try

@@tuananhdo1870 One day possibly I'd like to do it.

YES!!! For anyone else reading this (I'm sure Thomas Vu already knows or he wouldn't be recommending this), look up Plover. It's an open source program to convert steno into text so that you can use it to type in any program you would normally use a keyboard for. And if all you want to do is equal your typing speed, it really isn't that bad to pick up, though it can do a whole lot more.

stenography is pratically useless if you a programmer who spends most of the time typing arbitrary keywords, variable names, mathematical operators and keyboard shortcuts.

@Denis If you are creative, you can adapt stenography for typing symbols and shortcuts with simple strokes.

Thomas Vu the thing is... you cant. Because of the symbols and the fact that in programming there is really no words

@@tormodhag6824 Look up coding with stenography.

Thank you!

I had the same feelings! The best way to go about it is practicing every day without going cold turkey, the keyboard layouts won't interfere with each other and eventually you will be fluent in both QWERTY and Dvorak/Colemak

Just learn dvorak and neo

Tbh you probably could have just had two language modes on your computer, both English, but one where the keystrokes on the keyboard were QWERTY, and the other were Dvorak

Same. Came for new world symphony. Stayed for tech geek stuff

Maybe he is ThePrimagen ?

I use vim and dvorak but that's in order to make up for being a slow and inaccurate typist lol

@Kurt M. Honestly, it was my PowerBook and I was the only one who used it. That was before macs became popular again, most of my classmates had windows.

Having made the leap over two decades ago, there's no way I can ever go back. Having to use a QWERTY keyboard makes me want to throw it across the room because even though I know where everything is, I have to completely override my muscle memory. However, I've been asked if it's worth it for someone to learn Dvorak now, and I uniformly tell them no -- that they should try Colemak instead. I only gave Colemak a two week test spin but that was long enough to see that it had the same basic design advantages as Dvorak, without the disadvantages -- presuming you knew neither. I'm not going to switch again now.

Yes I love it! Typing with it right now :D Also very nice as a programmer, plus the shortcuts are much nicer than on dvorak.

I'm guessing you don't use Java. ;D

Apparently so did the video creator, who grabbed a photo of Antonin Dvorak...

looked so familiar

Nope

I use Dvorak and I have not had problems with carpal tunnel ever since I started. It is annoying in some programming languages (like C#) because they use symbols that are close by on QWERTY but banished to the far pasture on Dvorak. On the other hand, having the hyphen on the home row is awesome.

Thanks!

Another annoying thing I find about Qwertz (meine frau ist deutsch) is undo. They moved the Z so far away, now requires two hands! Why would they do that? >___< but I would agree the most annoying thing is /[{}]\ how do people even use a command line or program with Qwertz? I thought Germans love efficiency? That's at least the impression I had before living here. I think reading German would be more efficient and ergonomic with a few spaces in between words. Feels like I need a knife and fork every time I try to read German. Japanese you only need chopsticks and English you can pretty much eat with your hands haha.

@@aeroglass The Keyboard is made for efficient typing. In German you use y soooo seldom that it got changed with z. Yeah, undo is crap, but you use z so much more often than y. And /]{\ is way less often used than Umlaute in german. So it's efficient, but efficient for normal typing. Most people do not write code :P German isn't really ergonomic, thats right. But the less spaces make it more efficient because you can pack many many informations in one word, but you dont have to. Gewinner eines Wettbewerbes des schnellen Schreibens = Schnellschreibewettbewerbsgewinner = Winner of a fast typing contest.

So you type incorrectly on purpose and get upset when the program doesn't understand your wrongness? I don't understand why typing and spelling properly is so hard

@@HarshNerf No that's not it at all. Read again.

That's great!

@@iLiokardo I've got pretty good speeds with it already. Almost as good as QWERTY.

Dafuq? Xd