Unfortunately their numbers were low due to Istvaan.

He had like 80-90% of his legion massacred he had i think 11k or 18k marines left not sure

@@goldenseal640 not only that, the salamanders gene seed has some of the highest rejection rates, probably due to the radiation from nocturne's star damaging it over the years.

Is that seariously canon?

@@joshvonbosch there was an old chart that showed all the loyalist chapters geneseed mutation rate and the salamanders ironically had the highest at 90%, since it has been proven that nocturne star does damage the Melanchromic organ changing their skin to an ebony black since the orginal terran recruits did not have the ebony skin tone and only turned after being exposed to nocturne star. This is also probably why they have never been able to officially sire a successor chapter as they don't generate as much geneseed as the other chapters. It can therefore be inferred that nocturne star has been degrading the geneseed for millennium.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Vulkan may be upset at Gmans acceptance of the current state of the imperium.

I would love Vulkan would return next, not only because if half way finished my Salamanders and so I can run him next to his bro Girlyman, but because he's my second favorite Primarch

I think Dorn would be the one G-man needs the most, but Vulkan is definitely a close second. (still rooting for Clonegrim, though)

@@wonderfred I don’t think he would honestly. Because it’s a similar state to how he found the imperium during the war of the beast. He’d know that Guilliman trying to upset things with the high lords with the imperium in the state it’s in would simply destroy the empire. Which is the same reason he didn’t kill them last time. He might not like what the imperium has become, but he’s no fool. He knows trying to change things too quickly would just destroy it all.

Corax wasn’t against gman being lc or against the codex

That was LORGAR GODS DAMMIT

Yes.

Guilliman didn’t cause the heresy, he saved the imperium from it. It’s a shame the emperor threw it away at the end and doomed the imperium anyway :/

It has more to do with the current imperium and the ecclesiarchy, cult of the emperor and all that. I mean think about the foreshadowing GW has done recently revolving around imperium secundes, i.e. nihilis. The board is set exactly the same as it was in 30k with dark angels, blood angels and ultramarine. Guilliman, Dante, the lion, all assembling again, sanguinius or should I say Dante being named commander of nihilis just like secundus. There's also the nurgle demon in guillimans library that gave the book about imperium secundus to Matthew in hopes of starting up the fire. There's much more, but yeah gw is setting the stage in a mirror of events in 30k. The lion will be here soon, Mark my words.

@@serbronnoftheblackwater798 here is something else to think about, when the lion returns you will have one of two outcomes 1. The lion goes balls to the walls and takes on the church or 2. Him and guilliman will have it out come to terms and then go balls to the walls on everyone that's a threat to the imperium. Indomitus crusade 2 electric Boogaloo. 😆

My thoughts as well, the Lion had agreed to the plan & since our beloved Hawk Jesus died as well as himself it would be beyond forced, or a twist. It would be stupid lol

He was doing what he was designed to do.

Cuz of the cult like behavior of current imperium. In a logical imperium like the one he left it wouldn’t have been a big deal beyond his brothers getting a little suspicious of him, which could be smoothed out with them thinking about the logic of it. But in the current imperium’s mentality it would be a heretical act of betrayal on par with Horus.

Possibly. But given everything else that would put them at odds it’s questionable if that would be enough.

Make a little high lord wine

Why is Vulkan hugging himself, and what is the relevance of Yvraine?

@@Derploop lol, wrote that in haste XD. Sorry

The cutscenes in Destiny's Final Shape between Zavala and Cayde hugging comes to mind.

Fucking good point!

A 3 on 3 would be beyond awesome, especially if it means something like the end of Abaddon vs dante possesed by the great angel, and the Lion and G against other two, or the permadeath of a traitor primarch

@@Dreadbringer the permadeath of Daemon Fulgrim at the hands of Clone Fulgrim would be awesome on many levels.

@@askashikcould be an awesome redemtion arc if properly handed.

You'll need to get the Soul part from the Rape-Snake if you want a true Prime-arch... otherwise it's just a mere clone, just like Not-Horus.

Corvus Corax: DAMMIT!

I think the first thing he will do is putting Vulkan in charge of supervising Cawl. It has been shown many times that Gulliman doesn't trust Cawl but he has no way to figure out what Cawl is doing because he's not an engineering genius like Ferrus or Vulkan. And he doesn't like the idea of having to rely on someone he doesn't trust to maintain his war machines and running his primaris project. The security concerns is real and for someone who escaped assassination attempts on him twice and having his system security sabotaged by Konrad once, he can't help but to be paranoid.

Can you recall the video? Thank you for this information

@@ShurilVolari Hey, no sorry. I was was a while ago. I can't remember when exactly he mentioned it.

Wasn't Angron banished from Armageddon by the Space Wolves and Grey Knights though?

@@BM-wf9uf I think so, I'm not 100% up to date with the Lore. Vulkan was fighting the Beast of Ullanor and there's something about making a titans core go nova. That's all I remember. I might be making things up, and filling the rest of the gaps with wishful thinking, lol.

@@al3817 Vulkan dueled The Beast and tackled it into massive waaggh generator releasing a huge amount of waaagghh energy. Because Vulkan is a Primarch he was able to absorb the energy and launched one final attack on The Beast. He smashed his hammer into its head and killed it but also destroyed the generator which caused the temple gargant to overload and explode. That was the last time Vulkan was seen. He is a perpetual like the Emperor though, so he's alive somewhere in the galaxy...

The high lords *REALLY* need a sword of Damocles…

Fuck the inquisition and fuck the high lords of terra

He think he does know. Or at least did know. But I think he, like the emperor and malcedor, knows that contingency plans like Secundus is just Guilliman’s way. And while he might see it as borderline heretical, he understands the intent behind it, and knows it was done with the best of intentions and that dissolving it once learning Terra still stands proved this.

Sanguinius being involved should be all any loyalist needs to lnow it was on the up and up. That plus the fact that it was dissolved.

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I don't think it'll happen. I'm a salamanders player and I'd prefer not to get my hopes up haha. Just don't think there's enough of us out there for it to be worth the investment for gw.

@@willy.b.b3427 they bring back your Primarch you're gonna get a faction focus and specific release beyong generic marines... it's not an if... it's a when.

@@mattruecker5861 and hopefully new codex with new salamander focused units

@@thegiantcrow7416 i could see him closing out 10th ed. But the lion is coming first, then probably fulgrim

Man I'd love to see the return of our unique Firedrake terminators and a new Salamander only specialist unit that use flame of melta weapons.

Magnus is absolutely angry with Vulkan. I mean there is lots of sadness involved, but when it comes to Vulkan I can't see Magnus feeling a lot of guilt. Vulkan tried to convince Magnus to give up the Thousand Sons and come back. "'Please, brother,' said Vulkan, taking a step towards him. 'Come back to us.' Magnus turned as he heard the clatter of legionary warplate, and the ratcheting of boltguns. Three warriors clad in the livery of the Salamanders Legion crested the summit of the great golden dais. Magnus felt their joy at seeing their gene-sire, but at first sight of the Emperor, they instinctively fell to their knees in adoration, all but overcome by His incredible presence. Magnus turned back to Vulkan and said, 'Would you sacrifice them? Would you betray even *one* of them for your own desire?' 'I could not,' he said, his deep tones heavy with grief and his right hand sliding down to the warhammer Urdrakule at his belt. Magnus felt the end of his staff transform, becoming a bladed spear-tip once more. 'Then why would you believe that I could?' he roared." - Fury of Magnus, by Graham McNeill During the fight that follows, Magnus 100% would have killed Vulkan if not for one of his sons "Look out, sir"ing him and giving Magnus a crisis of conscience.

@@peterlepper5199 Ah! A primary source! Very well, I concede you the point. Just wishful thinking I suppose.

@@Emrald7 Cheers! I am impressed by your ability to accept new information with grace. There is definitely tragedy here, you're not wrong about that; but I think Magnus views Vulkan as a hypocrite, and he's had ten-thousand years to stew in that bitterness.

@@peterlepper5199I’m really new to the fandom, and the Salamanders really resonated with me as a faction, so I’ve dug in deep on there lore (what little there can be gleaned it feels sometimes) but I’m woefully ignorant of most of 40Ks stuff. Maybe you could help me with this question, was that really Magnus that came to Numeons aid in the Ruinstorm, or just an aspect of him? Or some other weird, early stuff? I’m trying to get correct!

@@Emrald7 It was Magnus, but the event that I quoted came after the Ruinstorm. At the time when Magnus appeared to help the Salamanders, he likely did still care about Vulkan. I definitely understand where you're coming from, though. I was the same way, but with the Thousand Sons. It's only in the past couple years that I've started really branching out and digging into the rest of the Heresy lore.

Leman Russ could have also fulfilled this role and I personally think it Leman should have been the first primarch to return so he could become the leader the Imperium needs rather then hiding behind the persona of the barbarian king, although the last time he face this dilemma he basically ran off into the Eye of Terra.

I think that's where Vulcan is legitimately the most important one that could return next because of his humanity he would be the one to realize that gilliman needs help with all the stresses under

I dont see how primarchs could be angry about Secundus, Sanguinius was put on charge, and noone questions his loyalty.

It probably has something to do with how those not in the know would perceive it as it was a backup plan made by the emperor, and we all know how he likes to reveal his plans, so those people are now the ones in power and would probably see it as a slight against the emperors vision

Magnus suffering karma ^,^

It would be more accurate to say that Vulkan basically had a deathwish after the Horus Heresy and wanted a permanent death, which appears to have been granted by the Beast. If you want to talk about Primarchs who ran away look no further then Leman Russ who chose to invade the Eye of Terror rather then becoming the leader the Imperium needed.

​@@chaptermastermarneuscalgar6926Don't forget the Great Kahn as well.

I left out Leman Russ. He could come back from the warp with a company or mostly company of Wolfen...

Fuck the first... 😒

I don't think so, they were one of the shattered legions and ended up being decimated on Istvaan 5 (if I remember correctly).