I mean I. Don’t blame him he lost his home his ppl his love ones simply from just trying to do the right thing 😔😢

@@missfortunemain9064 well, as they say, "The road to hell is paved in Good Intentions"

That's just all of 40k from the old ones onwards.

same for the Big E isnt

@@seekingabsolution1907 Except for the Necrons and Tyranids. They never had good intentions. Even the Necrontyr didn't have good intentions, they just wanted to kill everything!

@@jagnestormskull3178 how come eating to survive is a bad thing ? They are hungry and they want to eat . Also is you say Necrons are evil (idk about necrontyr) then don't kill any pests like rats, cockroach,etc in your house . Only pure evil is chaos and orks.

@@albertrex6851 What do you mean "don't kill pests?" The Necrontyr basically tried to wipe out all life in the galaxy because their solar system had bad living conditions and a species that no longer exists didn't cure their skin cancer. The Necron Lords are choosing to continue that absolutely evil mission. And if you're defending the Tyranids and Necrons, then how how can you say Chaos is evil? If the Necrons are just eradicating pests and the Tyranids are just eating to survive, then the Chaos gods are just eating to survive too - the difference is that they aren't destroying the entire galaxy to do it.

your point?

@@fallenbygravity My "point" is that I find it very ironic that even by Magnus' own logic, he's actually wrong.

@@DarkNaifu Exactly how do you connect those dots?

@@fallenbygravity “it doesn’t matter what you intended, it matters what happened!” “It doesn’t matter what I did, it matters what I intended!”

@@____________838 I'll just copy past my other comment. There is a huge difference between. Intending: Warn the emperor of the imperium and your father that the warmaster had fallen and an apocalypse civil war may come. Outcome: Breaking the webway you were never told existed while sending the warning. and Intending: "Arrest Magnus and his TS" by sending a demi-god furry known for being the galaxies biggest hypocrite and sworn enemy of Magnus. alongside an army of sisters of battle that specialize in killing what the TS were alongside not 1 or 2 custodians to show it is the emperor's will but armies ready to kill a legion. Outcome: The Killing of a loyal legion alongside their primarch and the burning of not only a loyal world but a world of knowledge and art rather than ignorance and fear as was and especially now is most of the imperium.

Sounds like the emporer too.

That could be sooooooooooo fucking awesome

Twist ending: it’s just Kurze playing with meat statues the whole time

@@millertime73scd lol

Like a omnibus of interactions? Would be nice, pre heresy of course

Like a slice of life anime, but it's Big E, and the Primarchs.

watch the video "We are gathered here today to mourn the passing of Malcador"

@@mobiushelldoctor1423 continues video "Nevermind he's good" XD

Yes please, my heart needs that

@@willsword8100 Maybe Magnus then makes his way to Terra, slipping into the Imperial Palace and holding the Webway Gate shut while the Terminus Decree is enacted and the Golden Throne shut down. The Emperor ascends, only for Warp Entity and Perpetual to transcend themselves, and become a God in flesh as the Astronomicon flickers out like a candle to rise again as a roaring bonfire!

@@darkinnovator2479 I just hope to one day get a redemption for Magnus.

@@willsword8100 Same here, among other traitors, including Perturabo, Fulgrim and Konrad. With Magnus, I like my frivolous little take on how that possible redemption will take place, where his fall began.

Mmm i could accept that you know, would be a good way to reset the charácter, but as one comes back another must go away, who would you sacrifice to the chaos side in Magnus place? Tzeench would need His own daemon primarch.

Sneaking around to steal /something/.

@@____________838 HMMMMMMMMM

/thread

@@____________838 A gift.

Love this

No,Vulkan"come here brather...hug time" Magnus the red"NOOOOOOO"! (Vulkan grabbed Magnus and hug him tight) Magnus the red"AAAAHHHHH...MY SPINE"! Vulkan"ho,ho,ho,ho...hahahahahah"!

You missed the point of the entire story.

Or big E could just poke tit snitch until he gives him his soul back

@@kelman727 Magnus looked at the mirror in the pagoda, seeing his shattered reflection. Always the missing part, but now it has been filled by a tainted version of the missing shard, and he was completed. The Crimson king is actively silencing the other shards, he even obliterated the father shard that tried to save the TS and chose to try and destroy himself along with the Crimson King. Malcador told half truths. Tho all shards are equally Magnus, the one that won was the one greatly corrupted and influenced by Tzeentch. The good Magnus' would have won had a chaos god like Tzeentch interfered during the second rubric wars (the invasion of Sortarius, 3 way war, and basically just the shards battling each other for dominance of the greater Magnus). This is the last chance to cleanse and remove what Tzeentch had put in Magnus, Janus might be the key to purifying and completing the soul of Magnus.

@@jamesdeek7756 but lets be real, he aint so generous outside TTS

@@hahmann Malcador: I guess Horus never told you about me choking *him* huh?

@@lordlucius1341 Magnus: Bold words for someone in warp deep-frying distance.

@@guillermoperezmalinar7743 Malcador: Bold words for someone in perpetual failing range.

In universe, everything is some warp vision that's been corrupted to make the viewer believe what the author wants them to believe so I find it very meta and spot on. EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD IS A LIE.

wish I could believe that...

@@standarddeviation7963 I would have accepted that if only majority of writers aren't shit. Warhammer books and novels are a dumpster, you have to really dig deep to find the good stuff, like a hidden cocaine stash underneath a mountain of garbage.

@@flameknightplayz2939 alot of the more recent stuff has been fire tho

Exactly this

Even Vulkan stated he cannot sacrifice a single son of his and understood the decision of Magnus, deep down he knows Magnus did the right thing.

@@flameknightplayz2939 Magnus may not had malice as intent but fuck everthing up anyways, there Is just nothing More to say Man, get over It.

@@Dreadbringer Nicaea had no basis, it was an ambush to fuck with the TS. Never once did they misuse sorcery before that cursed debate in Nicaea. What led them to fucking up is the Imperium itself. Yes there is no denying that some of Magnus' actions were wrong, but is it that people forget he either had no choice or were forced to choose. Now, he was forced to choose between his father and his sons, either way he will not escape suffering. He never did anything wrong before Nicaea, some of his actions after that were wrong, but were the right thing to do, this isn't black and white that right = good, what is right might result in bad things happening along with what are considered good decision leading to the demise of many. Point is it takes two to tango, it wasn't Magnus that is fully to blame just look at the actions of the Imperium. They literally helped, guided, and ultimately led him to a path that will damn his soul. Emps didn't even consider "Hey son what about I cryostasis your children so they can hibernate while we still try to find cure" He would have gotten Magnus to sit to the throne and gave him hope still, but no he wants to thunder warriors the shit out of the thousand sons because he doesn't understand that a father is willing to go to hell just to save his children. He did the right thing for his sons, even at the cost if his soul. No hibernation choice, no "let's stasis chamber your sons", nothing, their only choices were to be dictated to die or suffer. Malcador and Emps still told half truths until the very end, one of the final lines of Magnus is that he just wants nothing but the whole truth, no more lies just the truth, but they still chose to lie to him. They also lied about the shard, yes it us gone as a shard but they turned it into a new being, meaning it wasn't fully destroyed. Magnus and The Emperor, Malcador, imperial council, etc, may not have had malice as intent but they still fucked everything up anyways. There I fixed it.

@@flameknightplayz2939 first he didnt do right by His sons, they aré half rubricae and half chaos spawn, second this wasnt about him nor His sons who arent helpless víctims but the most powerfull of astartes as individuals, but of mankind wich Is what the traitors seems to keep forgetting, they see themselves as some kind of máster race wich they aré not, and last there Is always a choice, he should have just surrendered from the get go and request an audience with His father, now its true the Wolf fuck It Up too, and that Horus was the plot máster but that doesnt excuse you of making stupid choices or aligning with daemons, i get that you aré maybe a TS yourself and youre just defending your legión but Man how can you grow beyond your mistakes if you never own them? Thats It cousin, Magnus just never got to understand that fact blinded by arrogance and the need to be in the right, wich he Is not.

HA gayy!

Well good thing he's got a good heart, cause his spine isn't in the best condition.

Also it was a part of his soul, which is not an abstract concept in this setting. Even if he did make a show of good in saving the civilians thus disproving the idea that he needs to reclaim the shard to reclaim his good, that shard was powerful enough to turn a TS who wasn't even worthy of the rank of Captain into the first Grand Master of the Grey Knights.

What? This is an abstract concept that is LITERALLY A PIECE OF HIS FUCKING SOUL are you people stupid? Of course he wants it back! Who wouldn't?!.

They probably became full-blown chaos.

Could be Lorgar, he had very strong psychic powers that he didn't make use of.

I mean that would somewhat be Russ, i mean no Primarch came close to Magnus’ power, but in the books Russ could psychically affect people, he made them feel cold, and his howl psychically hurts marines

the emperor killed sanguinius

@@ShadrackMeduson I think so, yes. Sanguinius killed Horus by "Hulking out" with black rage (that's why his sons got it and nothing happened to Ferrus' sons at his death). But yes, I think when the Emperor couldn't bring himself to kill his foe and allowed himself to be hurt is because he could not bring himself to kill his beloved loyal Sanguinius.

Shit idea.

@@kccustodes2618 litterly the worst idea in history worse than primaris

@@kelman727 it's not an idea, I do not contribute to content. It is a prediction considering the massive retcons already, ie Alpharius 1st primarch discovered, Alpharius still alive and a companion of Eisenhorn, Valdor with his own army (blanks, winged space marines, good demons called grael, and contingency of custodes),and Vulkan on Terra building special doomsday devices for Emperor. So yeah, I am betting there is a massive retcon to that stupid end fight.

That's the true flaw in the imperium, prioritizing an ideology and cause over the unbearable cost of maintaining it. If an idea requires a people to suffer to continue to uphold it it's not worth following to begin with.

Magnus kinda already made a deal and sold his soul to Tzeentch before Nikea, so yes and no.

So true.

That's the problem with the heresy series. Too much of it makes no sense and is included only to try and achieve a cheap shock. In this case it's even worse because we all know malcador doesn't die here so the only thing achieved is blatant inconsistency in the lore

@@stevepickford3004 well its the problem with big sagas, there aré bound to be bad or unbelievable moments, but what can we do anyways, you can always have your own Lore or Viewpoint, like for me i deny the whole erda crap, too little too late but you can always edit It in your mind as you see Fit, its all fantasy anyways

I mean the soul shards gained personality. The father was actively trying to help the TS even wanting to sacrifice everything just to stop the crimson king (himself that chose the worst path), the warrior wanted to just be left alone and challenge everyone to an honorable duel, the arrogance wanted power for himself and manipulated Astraeos, etc. It was all him, but even his shards fought against each other filling the roles of the good and bad versions of him. He was never incomplete. If only the father and the other noble personalities won and took control over the majority then we might have had a still loyalist or renegade Magnus, but as always Tzeentch had a hand with the battle between the shards (The events of the second rubrics were just the shards battling each other, it was never Ahriman and that he was just a pawn in the war of Magnus' personalities). The broken magnus and his shards fought and nearly won but Tzeentch stepped in and subtlety influenced events and made sure Ahriman caused the path of the second rubric. The crimson king is suppressing the voices of the other shards, he even obliterated the father shard to nothingness if i remember correctly. Magnus amazes me that even when broken, he still fought until the very end, until he can't resist chaos anymore and was forced to side with them. I hate it that Malcador still told lies, half truths, that yes the soul is gone, but he could have revealed where it went and of Janus, that that final powerful shard was just transformed into a new being. Emps lied and or gave up trying to find ways to cure the TS when Ahriman discovered that other powers especially Ynneads can reverse the curse of the flesh change, it's as if the Emps never wanted to save them in the first place. He lied that all the TS are going to die to the flesh change, but fate is not set in stone and what he told Magnus is just false. They lied to Magnus until the very end and it infuriates me.

@@flameknightplayz2939 To be fair, the Emperor only claimed that neither he, the selenar or Magnus could save the Legion from the flesh change. That is true. The Rubric can't exactly be said to have saved the Legion as a whole.

@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen I just meant that Emps would rather Thunder warriors 2.0 the Thousand Sons and gave up hope that someday a cure might present itself as like Ynnead's power for example. He could have said to Magnus that "Hey Magnus, let me put your sons to cryostasis and if a cure presents itself we will cure them together in the future." But no he would rather kill them because he doesn't understand the love of a father and son, a bond that a father will even travel to hell just to save them. He could have put them to cryostasis or some form of hibernation but he would rather kill them and start fresh instead. Ahriman puts his brothers to cryostasis before the flesh change takes over them in hopes that one day they can try and cure them, emps doesn't even consider this.

Perturabo chose chaos as he was dying from poison and it is speculated that he is now trying to cure his daemonhood

what would be the real list? heres my uneducated one: 1. Tyrannid hive mind, 2. Emperor's corpse 3. Chaos gods 4.Magnus 5. Eldrad Ulthran wild card: Corvus Corax unlocking his potential in the eye of terror

@@helicaldota You're not allowed to put anything above the Emperor. It doesn't matter if you are wrong or right. Otherwise Sly Marbo would be on place one in my list.

@@helicaldota look at that genestealer!

@@Dreadbringer XD 5Head

0 : Ahriman 🗿

*their equals

Well Magnus spoiler alert so...

Magnus. Especially if he was to represent the Emperor's psychic might.

Tangential thought. You know how the emps gave each of his sons some redundant characteristics as backup (some point to this as proof that the emps planned the heresy) Like both Dorn and Perturabo are great at seigecraft. Both Sanguinius and Kurze had foresight. And so on. Where are the psyker redundancies? Where are the back ups for Magnus? (Looks pointedly at the missing legions.)

In total amount of warp energy that one can muster, as he is the Psychic battery of the webway, Magnus wins. In terms of psychic power and warp manipulation, Magnus wins. In terms of temporal manipulation and sorcery, Magnus wins.

@@flameknightplayz2939 in terms of wisdom and experience Malcador wins everyday.

AP2 on Thousand Son's bolters and stormbolters.... Terminators fire 4 shots @ AP2 even if they move. Bolter Brain, if you like Bolters.....

@@doctordoubledakka3939 I did it

My army, the models are simply gorgeous.

@@Miggy19779 wow I forgot about this comment lol, I have a thousand sons army now btw lol

@@solidsentinel1285 woot join the club. Well done. All is dust!

It is because Magnus is trying to "change" Chao by trying to undermine it from within, is why he is the ultimate embodiment of Tzeetnch. His inability to accept the primal truth is precisely what qualifies him as to the Chaos aspect's Primarch.

What if all you described was planned by tzeentch tho

Magnus trying to outsmart Tzeentch is laughable. He didn't even know he was played all of this time by the chaos god. He was played like a pawn his entire primarch life and now he thinks he is gonna outsmart him? Even Emperor would not be able to outsmart Tzeentch and Magnus believes he can? Looks like he didn't become wiser after his previous failures. Also if Magnus was soo good, that he was trying to destroy chaos, he wouldn't kill Malcador, guy who knows A LOT MORE about Chaos and how to fight it than Magnus will even know. btw, is it another retcon? So Malcador no longer dies from sitting on the Throne?

One of the core aspects of Magnus is that the best parts of him never got to shine. He was manipulated and schemed on by an eldrich being that mfs literally call the architect of fate. He never got the chance to flex his supreme warp power, nor his incredible knowledge. That was censored in his very presence by none other than his own father. His strength was the doom of humanity. Without his reckless behavior and lack of forethought, the heresy might not have been a total L. The best ways to highlight his character is to reflect his potential against his reality. The current Magnus is a hypocrite shell of his former self, his fate twisted and altered by the very powers he was built to wield so powerfully. Everything about Magnus’ story revolves around his failure. He is a tragic character, showing his glorious moments diminishes the actual weight behind his story

@@ianharrison5758 you are free to have that opinion. But the purpose of each of these little series is to talk about how B.A. each Primarch is...and Roh really fell short of that this time.

@@JWKONTRABASSO I mean Magnus’ power is shown at its highest at his moments of failure and loss. He’s not the “badass” type. He’s the mf who just wants to read that everyone is forcing agendas on.

@@ianharrison5758 again. That fails to tell the truth. Magnus is the B.A. type. Asmch as any other Primarch is. What you are focusing in on is his story. Yeah I get that. Its pretty tragic hero and all. But, Magnus certainly has moments 9f true awesomenss. Things that neither of the other Primearchs achieved. To say that he didn't is really saying that the Emporer really made him to fail. All the evidence points to the direction that Big E did not. Make up whatever excuse you want. This Primarch was not well covered.

I agree with your assesment cousin

he's not

It was an accidental psychic attack, attacks on the soul ends a perpetual. But ******** happened and ******* to ******** him

He isn't. That's part of why he looks so old, I believe normal perpetuals don't age. He is revived by a perpetual though.

Its never given definition whether he is or not. But yeah he is revived. Either way these 2 are still 2 an 3 in terms of warp powers

i mean if he's not a perpetual then what is he? because he's lived for a hell of a long time like thousands of years?

Well considering before she come back to life the Emperor granted her a vision probably showing her that if malcador dies before getting his ass on the golden throne everyone fucked, so Olivia was kinda screwed either way considering her choices were die for humanity or get skull fucked by demons for all eternity.

On top of this list needs to be Sly Marbo, legends say the 2 lost Primarchs were sacrificed to create me Sly Marbo!

@@slymarbo4258 it's impossible the sacrifice of only 2 primarchs to create a being of so terrifying power such as you

@@slymarbo4258 always good to see you in the wild my friend and we would have to destroy all of the warp to birth your amazing personality

The emperor should have been educating Magnus since the day they found eachother Psychically. He should have trained him personally in how to use the warp safely, and how to interpret order from chaos. He should have fine tuned his sons control to its absolute limit. His fear of Naive, inexperienced psykers was warranted, so he chose to…. Hide the knowledge his son needed from him while also denying him the very nature he was born with…. I call that pure stupidity. Magnus was ALWAYS the keystone in humanity’s rise. He should have explained the warp and it’s many different varieties of nightmarefuel to all his sons, Magnus needed that knowledge the most and the emperor strictly denied him just that. To let Magnus walk himself into the arms of Tzeentch, unwillingly dooming humanity due to the ignorance you ensured he maintained…. I’m sure whatever is left of the emperor regrets his actions with Magnus very much. Magnus was created to harness and control extreme power through the warp, yet he was denied the knowledge he needed to be able to do that safely. Bravo Emperor of Man, you doomed humanity with your own stupidity.

Only the god-Emperor knows that the problem with prequels putting characters you know will survive in a dangerous situation they would certainly die if it wasn’t a prequel.

Because it doesn't matter after the fact

@@guilliman1990 it absolutely does. Why would Magnus want to join Horus if he knew he was the true orchestrator. Even if he was still mad at the emperor, he may have at least not joined the traitors.

@@MoSteel497 Yea or just say f you all and leave the siege so now the invading force is a bit smaller. It would at least weaken their cohesion.

At this point, it's pretty clear Malcador wanted Magnus on Chaos' side for some reason.

Doub It though probably what chaos wanted anyway

Really? Hardly that exciting...

I think you and wolf get chills too easily

Or how harsh the betrayal would be if they grew as true brothers. Rather than entities that call themselves brothers, family that would be torn apart by the mistakes of one.

It would be impossible to accurately imagine such a scenario because characters like angron for example would be would be unrecognisable because the nails made him who he was.

Underrated comment

I think he would but only out of desperation like when his world was burned, he might of given into demonhood to protect his home and his sons

I know how you feel I was a fan of the theory that the blood ravens are actually thousand sons successors then this book come along and had the master of mankind say ‘oh we can’t cleanse the corruption in the Thousand Sons’ despite the fact that when russ stabbed Horus with a spear which was in powered by the emperor the corruption in Horus temporarily receded.

Such a deal would be one sided as fuck

Malcador would be obliterated

You got to love that deus ex machina for cheep shock scenes.

Jajajajaja damn!

you wont be disappointed in reading this one. it will be worth it to wait and finish reading it unspoiled. XD