Hopefully not @igson1309 but maybe, if they don’t listen to their community and content creators, joltz k6 etc., they sadly may do the same thing.

Seriously, ever since BL2, these games would not have turned out as great if it weren't for the OG content creators.

We need a proper endgame…definitely more activities…better matchmaking…borderlands should become a live-service game like Destiny with regular content, raids, social hubs etc.

2 people don’t represent millions FYI

@@igson-in4rd but why would they want to do that knowing how pissed off the community get when they do it and end up having to change it except not so much in wonderlands. Look at how bad the reaction was to wonderlands from the community. Do you really think they'd want to risk doing it again and people not buying bl4 and it being a financial disaster for gb and 2k

@@YeshuaSaves726 I know, but its scary to think it could be a possible outcome, hopefully not like you said

@@YeshuaSaves726 that's what we said about this game, but here we are

Damn, I got to like 3 and stopped caring.

I stopped at around 30/35. Never bothered for 50.

@@Borderlands808 yo it's you

The worst part is that wasn't even a problem with any of the other games.

@@CowKirbo well I mean there hasn't really been evolving difficulty small roomed dungeons in any other one so. I found myself even getting tracked by ai when I used stabbos skill sometimes.

@@polysemy_ bosses r hit or miss. Sometimes they track u, sometimes they don’t

U try to shoot then they “teleport” or “immune, immune, immune” or the boss blocks u from shooting the one with the least health😅

Yeah, I was playing single player, and a friend of mine was thinking of getting the game. I got to the chaos chamber and said "don't". There's not enough content, and the chaos chamber is like a casino where you can't take the money with you. You can win a bunch of stuff that has zero impact on anything other than more chaos chamber. At least with TVHM you're doing the story and areas again. This is just borderlands stripped down to nothing but a loot slot machine. I thought the base game was OK, just OK, but finished it in like 20 hours, and that's counting all the time I was sitting at my PC waiting for the monologues to finish, so I could do the next mission.

@@sydhamelin1265 Totally agreed. Even with the event chaos runs where my friend and I were coming out with maybe 60-70k crystals each we weren't getting a single item useful item out from the run. You've 100% hit the nail on the head with TVHM ect. I've noticed though that since BL2 I've spent less and less time in each of the BL games it seems BL2 was the peak and it's kinda been downhill since then (That's just for me personally)

@@BenNuli BL2 was so great, easily the best of the series. The pacing of that game was so perfect, the missions went right from one to the next, the humor was easily the best of the series. Yes, the sliding and mantling is a good improvement, and it's great that they added more loot, but none of that factors in if you're not invested in the game itself. Also, Handsome Jack, one of the best villains in any game. I'm really hoping they look back to what made BL2 great.

@@sydhamelin1265 Oh yeah Jack just.. well as you said one of the best villains ever. I remember honestly hating him when I played BL2 and when you finally meet him at the end of the game... Oh that was just Justice

@@BenNuli It was brilliant how he starts out unbelievably arrogant, like, eating when he's talking to you, just not even caring, laughing at how he's going to win in the end. Then you start pecking away during some end game stuff, the whole thing with Angel, and his ex-gf, and the jokes stop, and that's when you know you're under his skin, and man, what a feeling. Or destroying his statues....just pissing him off. Yeah, I don't think I've ever felt so satisfied taking the antagonist down.

I think a lot of us are. I love the borderlands franchise but I won't touch wonderlands. Everybody says that it's really bad and how much they've missed opportunity wise for the game. Not to mention people paying for the DLCs just to have more the chaos Chambers as the DLC

The gameplay wise s great… too bad there’s nothing to do except grind to Chaos 100

@@billdover3165 as someone currently playing through wonderland, its honestly pretty boring. Most of the missions are literal fet h quests and busy work worse than bl3. I'm halfway through the game and I've only seen a single legendary. The spells are just grenade mods and of the 2 classes I've tried ( spellshot and spore warden) the skills are boring as hell and mostly useless. For spellshot the action skill just turns a single enemy into a sheep that floats around the map or for stronger enemies you get a single free spell or the other "action skill" just gives you 2 spell slots (grenade mod slot). The customization is pretty boring and basic. The loot all feels more samey than borderlands 1 somehow. Melee is meh it's easier go just shoot the enemy. Especially when guns do more damage faster and you dont have to be in melee range where enimes hit much harder. Oh and if you use your other classes skill, you cant have the original skill on. So if you're a spellshot and want to use an action skill you give up the spell shots entire draw of spamming spells. So cross classing is bullshit. You get the stat buffs from both but can only have 1 class active at a time. This is borderlands with extra shit to get rng drops for

Thers no point to it.

Blightcaller is fun as hell.

What class blightcaller combo well with? Also graveborn if you've played them.

Yeah the bl3 and wonderlands AI are atrocious.

My hands and eyes hurt now

@@Ki11ersix oh you masochist you

@@Ki11ersix 😄

Not worth it. Going back to BL3 asap.

@@Ki11ersix ASAP as possible. Well thanks for hitting C100 so the rest of us don’t have to. Maybe I’ll try for C100 sometime in the next year lol

Poor thing.

And even if things are going your way... *IMMUNE IMMUNE IMMUNE IMMUNE*

@@superscatboy it makes the game more "difficult"

That seems to be the pattern with Borderlands Games, when a new one comes out, everyone wants to play the previous one and finally notices how good they are. Bet the same happens with the next one. Cause you people are predictable.

@@allanbaker3958 I've been consitantly playing the first borderlands because nowhere in the borderlands franchise can you get more loot than knoxxs armory and crawmerax

@@zachrohler1047, that is a sad fact. Kinda wish all the other games had an armory area of loot. The nine squares usually had the best drop rate of the armory. And of course there was the secret entrance that never started the timer.

@@allanbaker3958 Yes and no. BL1 and 2 were the best ones and people go back to them the most. TPS sucked and people don't really play it as much. BL3 is kinda fun i guess. I mean the gun play is fun but the story just sucked so hard and also mayhem sucks. I play BL2 the most probably like most people.

@@666222333111, Pre-Sequel has the smoothest leveling curve, which is why I like it, and BL3 Mayhem ain't sh*t when you have the right build. Especially when you are main Moze. My mains, Mordecai. Salvator OP10, Aurellia, Moze Mayhem 11. Sporewarden / Spellshot Wonderlands.

So there can be 200 levels to grind through?

@@zachrohler1047 why 200? Why not *20000 chaos levels*

Yikes

To use on uninstalling the game

@@Ki11ersix 😂😂😂😭😭😭

The answer is no. It’s not worth it

Really the achievement for Chaos Chamber is to reach level 20 and that’s it. No need to grind it all away to 100.

Chaos Chamber was great… when it only went to 20

It's like a car wreck. You don't wanna look, but you totally want to look.

Can I call it a homage?

You got this!

Spellshot and Blightcaller have been my favorites to pair with it

Saluting emoji

It has more damage but doesn’t show it on the card

You can do it!

Exactly

haven't played it since launch. Should I give it another try?

@@Ki11ersix yes hopefully there is a DONK DONK after this but only if you enjoy playing it

The gift of being able to uninstall the game.

Heyo!

@@Ki11ersix well, it was the late 60s, you could get them while standing in line waiting for lunch.

Do some Chaos runs

@@Ki11ersix Thanks Six. When do you expect B4 to come out 2-4 year range？

Hopefully within 2 years

@@Ki11ersix What you like as far as changes. For me continuous updates and development for endgame, rarities all kinda sound great, spells are cool with skill trees and more ways to play would be nice. I like chaos mode currently 35

*week.

Never played Diablo so I’m not sure

It didn't want to lock on for me.

@@Ki11ersix Don't know if you tried but I have more luck with dual beam

Never unless I’m fighting the hidden raid bossed

@@Ki11ersix If I know it is going to be Wastard, Vorcanar or Dragon Lord, I will grab them just to be sure.

Nah. I posted the game save and skill tree on my Discord in the game saves section though

@@Ki11ersix hey man thanks so much, just something to play now and then when I’m bored 😂 but love the build!!!

I wasn’t using any dlc gear (except the one ring and it’s not necessary)

Eh, tbh 1-50 being fast, 50-100 being slow makes sense. People still 'early' could use a boost. If you're still going past 50, not like it being slower's gonna stop you.

I kinda feel build crafting's kinda harder here because of how class mods/armor works - BL3 sort of legendary playstyle modifiers was fucking AWESOME, akin to D3 sets without the D3 'you suck ass without the massive power creep sets provide'. Wonderlands semi generic armor legendaries aren't too terrible, but a kind of lack and semi build minded skill choice seemingly skill picks, it's REALLY hard to get the armor type you want, with the right skills out of several dozen possibilities, with good effects. I mean, just matching a class is like 3 in 5 odds maybe, while being the 1 in 12 class variant you want, with skills placed like you want like if, say, you want X/Y class mod and you're X/Z class, z skills can't benefit you, so all points into X skills is best.

Yes

@@Ki11ersix thanks mang

Agreed

@@Ki11ersix Inform Gearbox For Borderlands 4.

@@keynanmartinez Believe me... I've been VERY vocal.

@@Ki11ersix I believe you.

Hell, claptrap and arena dlc, along with level cap changes and new builds, were good too - here all the dlc is the same postgame grind idea.

Beats me

If they’re going to do any fixing I’d think they would have announced something or released a roadmap. Instead: radio silence

BL3 has wayyyyyy more to do

Eh, i'm a theorycrafting whore an i LOVE the skill tree idea - i had like 6 mozes, 4 amaras, 3 zane/flak, and even just brrzerker and spore warden looks doable 3 ways off the top of my head, which is kinda awesome - even a melee brrzerker's got options, crit, ability dm and revive companion, lifesteal, added shock too, etc. but a lack of varied endgame, even the dlc which normally adds a few hours of content and potentially new builds just repeats the chaos chamber idea, and imo the worst, class Mods. bl3 imo did the best with class mods with build defining legendary effects - sort of D3 sets without the weird power creep and limits D3 sets had, but Wonderlands has 'generic' legendary stuff - fine, tbh, bl2/TPS class mods were cool. but you need to get the item type you want, with good modifiers, ANDthe right skill setup as that's random too - and even if it"S 4/5 chance to be one of your classes, that's still 1/24 chance to be the skill spread you want - X class main and 5-6 classes, 5-6 classes main and your X class as the sub and both classes in the running, and while i'm sure there's builds you might want a specific tier 1-3 spread of one class only, it's just a lot more possibilities than is really good for an item slot. Even if you get the right class mod, the right legendary trait, you're still worried about the right points, like my spell/grave build wanting spell/stab armor for boosting double shot via perks as i went down more of graveborn's tree - any stab points would be wasted, and it was pretty critical, heh, to max doubleshot. That just kinda killed wanting to do builds for me. i made two kinda early, spell/grave and brr/spore action skill blizzard focus, but by then i felt the only way i'd feel, ah, inspired, to do more builds is if i'd already gotten the build's desired class mod in doing chaos levels. and i don't really like doing that, either, i like starting characters and gearing up on their own, not just hitting max level and having instawIn gear in storage from another character.

That’s what I did

Yes