Matt's too busy working to take care of the kid.

@@Will45_ More like Matt's too busy taking the new wife on too many extravagant vacations to remember he had a kid.

Bro same Best dad got to keep best bog witch Can't be chewy and fuckface without chewy

@@Will45_ lol nice joke son

Pat got Woolie, Matt got Liam. Pretty 50/50 compromise.

I dont think they where ever truly friends at all entirely and that relationship became sour after years of doing the same thing. It never seemed like Pat and Liam ever liked one another outside of producing video content and it kinda seemed like Liam was brought in to replace Pat in the first place as you could tell Pat and Matt where starting to dislike each for years and it became especially obvious with how passive agressive Matt was to Pat in the last year or so of videos they made together.

@@EdgeO419 I always felt Pat and Woolie were genuine friends, but I understand your view on the others.

@@stingerjohnny9951 im pretty sure Pat and Woolie were friends before Pat met Matt.

​@@kuratajutsucollege buds

I'm so glad their channel and all their videos are still up. I'm not gonna bother them, because they dont wanna make videos together anymore. But its great to look back on the channel, at the hard work and dedication, and the fun times they all had together. Its like looking an photo album of the pictures you taken with your friends 15 years ago. Lets just appreciate the old channel and videos are still up. And not deleted and not trying to erase history. Because, nothing is deleted on the internet. Its forever

I dont have time to follow their streams, so I really appreciate that they kept the podcast going.

Of the multiple endings good bad neutral this is neutral route.

My problem was that the Final video was not as closing as it should. Even tho it was all 3 of them talking about whatever was going on, it felt scripted and PR, something that they never were during all the years in the channel.

@@crybirb I guess it shows how bad it actually got there in the final months...

@@crybirb It felt like one of their final seasons Machinima videos honestly. Just stilted and weird.

It's especially weird Woolie is the one targeted with these grievances because he is often the harshest and least sympathetic stream wise to his viewers. Like he's an asshole to the people who come to watch him and the more reasonable or assistive the question maybe the more he is towards that person instead of the actual dicks in chat. Maybe people just like to bait him. Maybe its just process of elimination. Unless you pay Pat he's probably not gonna even engage it other then "nope." Liam went out of his way to mock the channels death back in the day and cried wolf when people dared to engage it, and was the first to leave the channel, so people are probably under the correct impression that he's the person with the absolute least sway/involvement in such a plan. The irony is though Matt would likely be the reason and most against a return, the idea of a 1-2 hour one off is literally up his alley. And is a big part of why the channel ground him down in the first place. But I think there's just too much dividing them to bother. I also think its a matter of who would it most benefit. Us. They weren't a tremendously big group with incredible sway, they just existed for a longer time then most. If they suddenly said a TBFP reunion was happening for a charity stream I doubt it'd make much waves to justify them being in a room together.

​@@Gungho73 Ever since the final video, the channel has been dropping in subscribers day by day. And even then most of their fans have moved on with their lives, it's a few people who really really want them to come back together. They made it very clear that, they're not friends anymore, and there's not anything we can do about it.

@@1Orderchaos Honestly I have been pretty good at distancing myself from most of their modern content. It hurts less that way. I'd imagine a lot of those people felt the same way.

@@Gungho73 Oh absolutely. We all got older and found other interests or things that could scratch that niche.

Well liam sucked

The Mediocre Ok Acquaintances / Work Colleagues

That was the joke all those years ago in the machinima days. It was originally supposed to be matt and woolie but woolie had something come up and recommended pat from his fighting game group

It's very odd... I think maybe because the Beatles had such a famous band that they felt accomplished. While sbfp never had a giant following that you could hear the aggressive tones they took on to each other's remarks. For example oat would say something stupid and silly and get kinda sold out by matt. It was also vice versa.i remember pat really harping on how Matt had to act stupid in the machima videos, Matt's tone was kinda upset. You could tell Matt wanted mass viewers even if it met putting on an act for entertainment. While pat was just raw in every form. It made a great combo, wish they would put their differences behind. Woolie is a chill dude for everyone u can tell no hard feelings are twords him Liam always hated how pat would berade him like a group of highschool kids who gets picked on by a mutual friend of the group. Liam was annoying but I did feel for him. They all fucked it up by holding that hate in like a group of chicks

The Beatles grew up together as people and split over money issues, the manager and disagreements over touring. It was always a wild mischaracterisation that they split because they hate each other, rather the split caused some lingering resentments, and its increasingly well known that John and paul who were always cast as archrivals actually remained each others biggest fans. SBFP were very entertaining together, but it was mostly a business relationship. And sometimes even when people like each other it's time to move on with life, Northernlion Super Show was great for many years, but people move in different directions. And most of those people are honestly way more mature than the SBFP gang, no offense to any of them but emotionally no-one seems all there.

Yeah, you still see Paul and Ringo hanging out with each other from time to time.

@@jace2802 A good example of creative flow differences was with the now defunct Machinima series they had. As time went on you could tell very much when they were being told to play something for views/cash, and when one of the episodes was made because they legitimately enjoyed content. Those AAA videos they were clearly contractually obligated to do in later seasons were unwatchable garbage and arguably represented the wrong side of content making. While a video like Vanquish still provided hearty laughs to this day.

Hell, even Ringo forgave Geroge for sleeping with his wife! They were like brothers!

Naw, it's bad that they stopped making content people enjoyed, what they feel is irrelevant. People have a right to be angry and disappointed, the only reason they've reached anything is cause of what they did before.

@@maylabrown4584 You've likely changed as a person since this comment, but you realize that they are still people who deserve to act on their own desires? They're not your personal content farm, grow up and watch something else.

But for context, this is after she’s been asked by hundreds of people ever since it happened, despite the obvious vibe being no.

fr though. what the fuck is happening to the stuff we used to enjoy man

@@LayerInfinityPart of getting old is realizing that enjoyment and good things in this world are finite and you can either do your best to soak up as much of those before they pass and prepare for that moment or learn to find enjoyment in discovering new things but never getting invested in any of them. Life sucks and will continue to get worse with every passing moment, but it’s our only option. Take it or leave it.

@@malikoniousjoe There are plenty of things in the world to enjoy, and it makes me happy to know that there are people who can enjoy them as I do. Enjoying things together is the best way, after all.

@@LayerInfinity they were my friendship goals 😭😭😭 and it’s funny because all of my friends groups started to fall out over the years so I understand. I think the understanding hurts the most

No you wouldn't

Woolie made himself the spokesperson for the dead channel and is angry about it lol poor guy.

How did the group fall apart?

@@GAZAMAN93X Liam left due to Anxiety issues in 2016 i think and Matt and Pat weren't really friends anymore

I agree... and it's like, Woolie, we can't read you guys' minds. We don't know what happened and it's MUCH more confusing for us than it is for you four. From what the it sounded like from the Final video it seems like business and personal relationships conflicted but from THIS response you make it seem like Matt slept with Paige and you're angry at us for even suggesting a reunion. Bro, we don't know what happened because you all won't talk about it. It's not about making things like they were, we just want you all to possibly be okay with each other. You all literally went to Matt's wedding. That's not insignficant. It's not JUST about our selfish wants, we also feel a lot of remorse not that the channel ended but that really strong friendships ended. And maybe... JUST MAYBE... what's best psychologically is to have this discussion instead of holding in resentment.

@@waitselljones8068 How are the relationships in your life? Have you patched up with everyone you used to be close with? When are you guys going to hang out again?

@GundamGames That there's an unfair expectation for Woolie to sort out his relationships in a way that I don't believe people would genuinely hold themselves, and their own past relationships, to. I admit, I said it super condescendingly and should've approached it from a more sympathetic angle. I think, personally, it reminded me of feeling forced to get back with my ex. I felt like my health and safety was being disregarded; like the people in my life would rather see me depressed to make themselves feel better in a situation they can enter and exit whenever it's most convenient for them, when I had to be trapped with their decision 24/7. Ultimately, Woolie doesn't sound like he's holding resentment to me. It sounds like he keeps being forced back into a condition he's tried to move away from, by people who don't have to put in any of the effort or emotional lifting.

the personal business of individuals is not something we need to know, but from what I do know, and have no problem saying, is that this is mostly Matt's fault.

@@RazgrizStraitz you're a part of the problem buddy. stop trying to feign innocence while indulging in drama. the fact of the matter is that we don't know how it truly happened and will never know because these kinds of things are incredibly biased frankly unimportant

@@joedatius big assumption there "buddy". I don't want them back together. Matt & Liam are nowhere near the people they used to be. As far as im concerned the Matt & Liam I knew are dead and gone.

@@RazgrizStraitz wait what do you mean by that? Also does Liam have a channel or does he just feature on Matt’s channel?

@@TheRandomname951 『rising super star』is his channel but rarely posts

Proving Woolie still lies.

I miss the simpler times too. At least the old channel is still up with all of the old videos. That probably matters more to me than anything

Considering Silent hill 2 is getting a remake man it could have been a funny series.

Pat would probably be meaner

Yeah the chatters are being unreasonable

@@e69alpha just brush it off i guess?

That's what we call the Canadian Curse. You can never say never, even when it's never.

YYYYYYEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!

Because Woolie, and many other creators, think they’re way more important than they actually are. The Super Best Friends channel was popular, yes, but it wasn’t anything to get this dramatic over.

@@Go_away__ Drama? hell no. Quality? Not really lmfao but they were a good channel. Felt like I was hanging out with my bros. They made it get to this level of insanity, but they were very influential in the sense of spreading the Hype for Yakuza- or maybe that was mostly Pat.

And if you do try to find out what happened, all you find is vague ideas from the community based on conjecture and possibly negative comments made on twitter that point towards personal drama. It doesn't help that they literally shut down the old channel overnight, in the middle of multiple LPs, and all they said was "we're just not friends anymore" with a shrug, but then Pat and Woolie immediately kept working together. Woolie acts as if there's some big explanation video that people are ignoring, and as with most things, is coming at it from a very strange direction that isn't how anyone else sees it.

@@escalatingbarbarism5096 I don't know that revealing anything new would help satiate fans. Besides, it's skirting the line into privacy violations. Can we not just let them be not friends anymore?

@@bigredjanie You shouldn't try to control how other people feel dumb shit like this, especially with this fanbase, weaned on jokes for babies and surface-level references to cartoons. Personally, I don't care. By the midpoint of the old channel, Pat and Woolie were the only ones I could still stand listening to, so things worked out fairly well in that respect. However, Woolie is acting like a little bitch about it. They ended things in a way that begs for an explanation, that's on them for doing a five minute video that said nothing instead of a few paragraphs on a reddit post or something. He just needs to get over it, because he'll be dodging this for the rest of his life since he's the only one one of them who even acknowledges the questions in the first place. And the strangely condescending and angry way he always addresses the issue doesn't make people less interested in the "truth".

It takes a bit of digging but Matt's wife calling Paige a nazi and starting needles drams with pat for wanting to fix a mistake probably had something to do with it

@@angellara7040 that is a good explanation. I wish it could come out from them, so we can confirm this claim.

Yeah I agree. I think this comment section has shown, myself included, that piecemeal information we gather from any one member prior to or after the fact has led to this maddening speculation. I don't expect them to dive fully into it especially if its of a concerning nature. If it is, it feels intellectually if not morally dishonest to hide it from your fans for fear of losing out on a paycheck. Not saying it is that mind you please do not take that as "truth." If it isn't, then it'll only becoming more puzzling as that information starts trickling more from each source. Instead of controlling the narrative, it'll only spiral out of control if that situation occurs. And as we know, Woolie loves to try to control the narrative. It just feels very weird we had a group of men tell us so much of their personal lives, often too much of it, suddenly be unwilling to part with info that would effectively cause questions like this to die down even years later. It's especially odd for any single one of them to consider that a fan of the prior thing that is a fan of the current thing may in fact be the same person with the same interests they've always had... I can definitely understand where that commenter was coming from. And sympathize given how that...crowd of Woolies comment section wise tends to be. Considering all that, its starting to feel more like a "brave" question then a innocent one and that concerns me as a fan of what once was.

I don't think Woolie assumes that. I think they told us enough to let us know that the channel was ending and that the guys have all kept the personal details behind the scenes. Frankly, it hurts enough that they aren't all friends anymore. I really don't want to hear any personal details about the ending of the channel, especially if it's details about Matt and Pat arguing with each other.

Absolutely... or a brawl

Yeah that’s the thing. I understand not doing stuff under the SBFP banner anymore and wanting to move on from that but why not just make a few LP’s with Pat if they’re still good friends anyway. Ig it could be a distance thing and the fact Pat hates travelling

​@@Postaldude__Wasn't Pat on the Baldur's Gate 3 playthrough Woolie just started? They also did Resident Evil Remake 2 together

They played SF6 against each other on their streams around release (before Rashid I believe) and Pat just called in to give Woolie/Reggie the BG3 breakdown/flavor text and all the good stuff. Reggie even blended someone before Pat finished advice and caused hella laughter

I mean they talk every week together on the CastleSuperbeast Podcast and occasionally Pat pops into Woolies stream. So I wouldn't act like they don't do ANYTHING together anymore. if anything i'd say we actually get plenty of Woolie/Pat content considering they don't run a channel together or anything.

You're talking a lot for someone who just as much as anybody else has no idea what went down.

What’re you on?

​​@@WeCareAlot4693 Matt's wife called Paige a nazi and called pat himself a pos for wanting to fix his relationship with Liam. This ironically made Liam awkward as he had no idea any of this was happening

? So explain why I get this depressing feeling whenever I want to watch some old LP's? They left a black stain on the channel :/

Welp

that didn't happened for obvious reasons.. Pat pace of elden ring was crazy he finished it within a couple of days of it's release while woolie still at it. Also the other day during the podcast Pat kinda spoiled something to woolie by accident while talking about the lore of elden ring and you should've of seen Woolie's face he was so angry hahaha.

@@GatsuRage they kind of did that for DS3, too. That game dropped and pat couldn't hold himself back from blitzing it in his own time. I would love to see it, though. They've both finished the game, they can do a different run with Woolsworth behind the wheel.

@@tybirous3417 that would be fun hopefully in the future but with each of them having their own content stuff I don't think it'll happen any time soon...

Maybe they inspired us to be super best friends of our own.

Ignoring pat just give me one good reason why Liam , mat and woolie can't do collab let's plays and streams

Youve got that resident evil 2 playthru woolie did a couple years ago now, and their dmcv LP. Other than that, on the podcast pat recently asked woolie if hed be down to play a game of civilization together, so thats possible but other than that, im afraid thats what youve got to choose from their modern catalogue

@GundamGames Oh they do not, pat lives in british columbia now, pretty much the other side of the country

Like a podcast?

Did you miss the podcast they do every week that they’ve done for like 4 years now?

Great comment man

Thats what im saying. The 2 biggest personalities of the group were the most fun to watch. Matt’s content has only gotten better…. Compare that with what pat does…. Pat is more or less a guest host on woolies program, and anything he releases himself is just 🥱

Do Woolie and Matt not f#©* with each other either? I thought it was Pat v. Matt & Liam.

​@@pcharl01Honestly, I don't think so? Liam and Matt do stuff, Woolie and Pat do the podcast...but I haven't seen Woolie mention Matt at all in ages. Who knows though.

​@@FluffyThievesI know he said his name in a few streams, but not as openly as pat does in the podcast about things they did. It was almost like the Downpour playthrough before Woolie came in for more of the videos and like Woolie will, at himself say in his head "Never say that person's name again as that's too much information" Ala Pat slapping Matt's hand metaphorically that time.

@@pcharl01 I don't think so but not really bad blood I guess? Woolie never talks to him and never mentions him anywhere but they still follow eachother on Twitter though unlike Pat so no idea what they're relationship really is.

The problem is nobody has a solid confirmation about why it happened on top of it being like if somebody saw you and your friend playing Videogames literally the night before and then it comes out you haven’t been friends with that person for awhile and actually hate them and also we are never going to hang out at this one specific place anymore

Don't be surprised when people come up with their own accusations.

Finally I feel like I can agree wholeheartedly with a comment on the topic. It hurts but its hurt for longer then their channels official ending because they haven't been the Best Friends we knew for even longer then that. If I can't find it in myself at the time to obligate 1 hour-2 hours a day to any channel in the way I used to with them at their height, much less the one they left at the end for us, there's no way I can justify a 6-10 hour stream from Pat for instance. And having seen the interactions Woolie has with his stream base, and his stream moderators behavior, doesn't entice me to show up either. Using those two as examples of the whole, there's almost nothing there for me now and its sad. But its hard to move on. You want to keep remembering and support them due to old habits. But you're absolutely right. We are not obligated to support their content.

I mean, they're not forcing you to watch their stuff.

Do you write big goodbye letters under shows you don't watch anymore too? This is very weird behavior that only happens online, I swear.

@@Miriam_J_what’re you doing here? A lot of people do write long letters and share feelings about shows and art. And this is similar people got emotionally invested

Honestly I only watch some re-uploads of Machinima vids and Spookycookies compilations if I ever want to watch them again. Podcasts are boring, Matt imo is boring by himself and with Liam, and I never really liked Woolie as a content creator (we just like diff things)

Good for you dude. I watched them starting from video one in high school, I literally referenced them a ton in basic training cause I needed the laughs, then watch them to the breakup. Dude, it HURTS. The breakup video literally put me in bed for a week.

hmm don't you mean pat isn't friends with Matt and Liam any more

Sure they don't owe anyone anything but if they're the ones who made themselves public figures, so they'll have to deal with the backlash of not giving fans what they want whether they or you like it or not.

Gravity

I guess fans are in the wrong for not liking Firefly's cancellation and I guess they were "rabid annoying fans" for making petitions, pleading with the actors and company to make a season 2. For once think of this is as a business perspective because guess what? KZfaq is a business even back then. Us fans are going to be upset, a simple question about a reunion shouldn't be this taboo to talk about. you see it all the time in conventions. If they stopped filming together for serious personal reasons then just say so. "they aren't friends anymore" just makes it worse for the fans, it causes speculation which starts rumors. They needed some PR advice because they did it all wrong and poor Woolie is the "spokesperson" for the dead channel now.

Ditto. We realized way too late Woolie and Pat was the best combo the who,e time for LPs. Never mind that snailborne shit, I don’t care for watching souls games anyway.

Mom said its my turn with the poor coping mechanism

Yeah, it's fucking embarrassing.

Classic stream Woolie move honestly. Never endeared me much.

Right. Dude as a fan just wanted to know if it was possible and woolie just went in. I understand he probably was dealing with that question a lot from weirdos but still that guy just asked a question as a fan.

@@IAmDaldondo It needed to be said. He was also very clear that this was for everyone who asked this question.

@@IAmDaldondo it wasn’t the first time they’ve been asked. Woolie walked it back and apologized to the comment or because it wasn’t about him. But it needed to be said because some people just aren’t reading the situation. It ain’t happening.

more like just chat woolie seemed super nice about it tbh

It's mostly the brainlets in chat hoping to be noticed by Woolie.

That's the thought process that led to the original channel stagnating and leading them all to sour with each other (or just Matt, really) in the first place. So many people in the fanbase just accepted sloppy LPs and random hiatuses without explanation, no expectation for the channel to improve, no standards but wanting them to sit there playing a game while they make Simpsons and JoJo jokes. There's a reason the channel was around for almost a decade and never cracked a million subs, and it's primarily this "shut up and accept it" mentality that always cropped up from so many viewers whenever anyone else pointed out that one of their LPs was poorly thought through or just played lazily because they weren't paying attention to the tutorial and they end up paying for it for 10 hours.

@@escalatingbarbarism5096 This is a complete overanalysis of a comment I made to dissuade people about asking Woolie why SBF disbanded. I agree with your points but the "shut up and accept it" mentality didn't ever ring true for the channel. It didn't blow because they had a specific audience. Once they did Omikron, I knew the end was soon down the line. I get what you're trying to say, but I was there for the channel too.

@@dutchbungis006 The end was down the line? Detroit was coming out. That would have been huge for them, but they fucked it up so badly that they needed a do-over. If you were there for the channel, you know the cop-out response at the time was to blame Omikron, because it's just such a bad game, it drove them all insane! It's so bad it made Liam leave even though he wasn't even there! But that's a just a cope. We don't actually need to ask Woolie what happened, do we? Because we all know. Matt checked out, Woolie took the lead, and he and Pat carried the channel where it might've ended much sooner if they hadn't. The truth: Matt was a petulant, child-like simpleton from day one. The fanbase coddling him like a baby only made it worse. Eventually he wasn't even running anything and was taking 10 vacations a year, and he remembered to call it quits and move on to his new, worse channel. Woolie is mad, probably not because someone asked him a question about what happened, but more likely because he got fucked out of a channel he put a lot of hard work into by someone who didn't, and who knows? There might even be legal ramifications if Woolie did speak his mind on the subject, considering how rich and poisonous Matt's wife is.

@@escalatingbarbarism5096 Matt's hiatus after Omikron is telling enough

If you don't tell people in any official capacity that you're on bad terms, then don't hold it against some random fan for asking.

The Baz: "I will never be a memory"

You don't have to forget in order to move on, like woolie said, they are moving on in their own way. I'm glad the channel is still up, so some of us can look back and remember the good times. It needed to be said of course, and I'm glad it was woolie the one who is saying it, and he totally understands. However, you also need to understand that forgetting a good memory dosent only mean you are moving on. Some would rather remember those good memories, while doing something else with their time, and not bother people to keep the gang together.

People constantly seem to bring it up and he wants to move past it.

No one wants to explain anything for some reason so people keep asking. Gets annoying being asked a question you don’t want to answer. Maybe one day there will be an explanation video for the fans to have closure.

@@alybaby941 I think that’s the biggest issue with people brining it up. It’s not coming from a place of disrespect, they were very open socially while the channel was running and to then just get a video telling us Matt and Patt actually really really don’t like eachother and have been faking it for a while and that the ‘Super Best Friends’ were the opposite of that, people are gonna ask questions. The stop felt very sudden and now rewatching any videos with intense arguments, even over dumb stuff, hits differently knowing that.

Matt and Pat seemingly despise one another, Liam hates Pats guts over a misunderstanding and for some reason Matt doesn't appear to be involved with anything Woolie does for unknown reasons.

@Ryka Liam made a Tweet, Pat responded with a joke and Liam took the joke the wrong way so hard that it burned the already rickety bridge between the two.

He did explain. Anything else is their right to not say. It’s not like it’s game grumps when Jontron left and they just pretended nothing happened. Woolie was transparent plenty

Not exactly Pat and Matt are still friends with woolie and woolie and Matt are friends with Liam.

Not even gonna sugar coat it huh

@@hibarikyoya854 When was the last time Matt acknowledged Woolie lol he even glossed over Zubaz on Triple KO

Pat, Reggie, woolie, Billy and super eye patch wolf bull crap would be amazing

I think he still lives in Japan because his fiance's job brought her there temporarily and he made a small game that's on steam and switch.

@kabishen Glad he's doing ok. Also need the name of that game please.

@@Akaritomi Garden Guardian

@@kabishen Thanks. Gotta support our 4 weird dads.

Yeah, the homewrecker is doing just fine.

I'm glad is woolie saying it and not pat. Because woolie is trying to be nice about it, and not stomp the nestolgia and memories in dirt. And I can't imagine what pat respons would be, probably the opposite

@@ms.pirate Pat would just say "Not happening, next topic". Pat, even tho has this persona of being a dick, is usually a very respectful person when it comes about serious topics. At least online.

@@crybirb have people actually tried asking pat and he responded to it ? I don’t follow their accounts nowadays enough to really stay in the loop but as of now this is the only video I know post SBFP that directly discusses the topic of what happened.

@@ms.pirate found the non-fan causing toxic in the comments

Same.

Its a google search away you absolute genius

We as fans are not entitled to anything about their personal lives. I completely understand Woolie's upset-ness and anger towards these questions. Leave it be.

@@ShutterSnapped we aren't entitled but you can't demand people not want something, they don't have to get it but wanting something is natural, we will always want things that aren't available to use in the moment regardless of if it is something we deserve to have

I dont even wanna know, I just want Matt and Pat to just...I dunno. Apologize to each other and just occasionally play a game together or something.

To be fair, Pat and Woolie still are friends.

@@Brucifer2 true they were my favorite of the two

@@spirtjamThey had the best chemistry of them imo. Their souls borne stuff was always my favorite

@@stingerjohnny9951 definitely was, I wish I could forget it just to watch it so over again 😭😭😭

“Mat and Pat are no longer friends, it just got less fun for them to record. The business side of the relationship degraded the fun itself.” Seems cut and dry for a channel called Super Best Friends Play…previously TWO Best friends play.

Might be too close to it. Not for enjoying the content for missing it, but for being insulted that they moved on.

I think what bothers them is the implication that what they’re doing now, that makes them happier than they were, is less valuable to old fans than their old stuff. It’s nobodie’s fault, people became fans from the old content and so it shouldn’t be taken as an insult when they expected more of why they showed up. It’s like if McDonalds stopped selling burgers and shifted to burritos. It may be a fantastic burrito, but people are gonna miss and ask about the burgers that until now built the franchise to begin with. I still watch Woolie and Pat regularly, and I enjoy it, but I still watch the old channel more than either of their current stuff. CSB is still strong, but the stream format doesn’t appeal to me like the pre recorded content did, and you can’t really replace the lightning in a bottle that was their four personalities in a room together. Regardless of how they felt personally about one another, they were an exceptional act together and it’s a shame we lost out on more of it going forward.

@malikoniousjoe I think you hit the nail on the head with that analogy. I'm much the same with their current content. Old videos and CSB are just about all that's worth sinking time into for me anymore. Not that they're bad to watch, but as you said, streaming doesn't have the same appeal and takes a lot of time, and Matt's current content feels WAY too produced. I just hope they don't fade completely into obscurity through all this.

And that's the thing about why the break-up was so bad, and why people are arguing in this comments section, **even now**... These guys were absolutely amazing. I myself, have fond memories of the zaibatsu. Their content carried me through a pretty dark time in my life, that being a length of time of utterly agonizing homelessness. I still watch comipilations of their content to this day, because the content was just that good. It was that good to me that it left an impact that still brings me moments of respite, and hypothetically to others who might've had their own problems in life that the Zaibatsu helped them through (whether it was just a minimal amount or a lot). I'm not implying that they maliciously lied to the fans in their final video about the reasons as to why they broke up, and I'm not even sure if there is a "whole story " or not, or if it involved people outside of the four of them. I've heard this and that, but I myself don't see how it does anyone any good to still carry all that bitterness that still shows up every now and then when you see people argue about who was most at fault for the split. The thing is - it's not even that big a deal to me that they split. What pains my heart is seeing people being so malicious to one-another over a fucking LP channel breaking up - and seeing how harmful it can be (in a social community standpoint kinda way) for people to develop these kinds of parasocial relationships with content creators and whatnot. I remember when they released their, which was Kirby's Epic Yarn co-op if I remember correctly. I remember how god-awful the Danganronpa LP was and how we all overwhelmingly shit on Woolie and Liam for it. I remember Liam absolutely destroying MGSV, going full genocide mode on the soldiers in it - showing us that ♫ Big Boss is the greatest soldier in the world ♫ I remember watching Woolie go from- "Duuude...." to "Holy shit, Jerry is the greatest" during the Predator Concrete Jungle LP. I remember Matt and Pat saying "We've never cancelled an LP once we started it" I remember when that first cancelled LP happened, and Sonic Unleashed took the Rising Superstar into the Sonic Dreams sex dungeon and the ensuing Machinima intro animation that explicitly changed to show that Liam wasn't around anymore. I remember when Matt couldn't beat the final boss from SH: Homecoming and practically ragequit, letting Pat finish the boss for him. I remember how hype it was the first time I saw The Punisher LP intro, and how hard I laughed at the concept art parody version of it. I remember getting banned from the subreddit because a meme I made about Pat and Paige was a little too spicy for someone to let slide, whether it was a mod, or one of the zaibatsu themselves. Grand Wizard Wakka, Fart Gas, Citizen Snips, "What's The Deal With Silent Hill Anyways" Seinfe- I mean Douglas, Heather doing sick katas while studying the blade,the list goes on and on and on. That's how much of a memetic impact these guys had, Jack. The DNA of the soul. I see how much it tears Woolie apart to be reminded of those times, especially when it comes from vitriolic fans/ex-fans - and it kills me to see how he wants to just move on past it, but some fans just won't let it go. I have so many fond memories of it all that I'm welling up with emotions typing about all of this, because that's how good it was. Those good times remain in some form, and for some fans it brings up memories of how painful it was to see those good times come to an end. But all in all, those uniquely good times are gone and in the past, and you should treat them as the past. It's time for the the boys and the fans to make new good times on their own individual level - as well as the good times they've brought to us as metaphorical phoenixes born from the ashes. Watching Reggie and Woolie playing Divekick and seeing their eyes light up gives me heartwarming hope for these fellas. They're gonna be okay. Woolie has finally figured it out. TL;DR - Woolie's absolutely right. It is a big fucking OOF. For them and for us. But the least the fanbase can fucking do (to show their appreciation for the Zaibatsu) is celebrate and reminisce about the good memories these people gave us, instead of bickering and focusing solely on who was the most at fault in the comments. They wouldn't want that and we shouldn't either. The Zaibatsu died, so you shouldn't piss on its grave just to spite some random person you saw in a comments section. - Edited for grammar/spelling/punctuation purposes. Love ya, Woolz. You and your big, gross, mutant ant-bite leg attack.

@@bahskintimulholde6191 to me it feels even less than that, the same way a child doesn't understand fully why their parents get divorced, a person falling out of touch with friends after graduating highschool stop playing an old game that you used to love but now can barely stand to play it there are tons of things in life that are just hard to get used to no matter how much you tell yourself to get over it, some people can others can't for me personally my issue with the break up isn't that it happened but what came later, Pat has no issues at all mentioning Liam or Matt when it comes to old memories of the lets play days or even off camera stuff, yet Matt and Liam seem to have quit Pat entirely like they completely lost the ability to even bother remembering good times they might have had with him, makes the whole thing feel a lot less like Matt and Pat aren't friends and more Matt grew to despise Pat, doesn't help that after the video was made Liam took to twitter basically confirming just that only to delete his posts after the fact because people thought it was in bad taste, he even confirmed after he left he cut all ties with Pat even going so far as to Mute him and respond to his own followers about him when Pat tried asking him if he needed info on a game he was playing at the time, felt petty to people To me I don't need them to give their life stories they don't owe us their personal lives, the fact Pat even hid the fact he got married for 6 months from his viewers shows how much they don't actually care about sharing everything about themselves if they don't want to and that is fine at the end of the day as long as people have fond memories of the group, they will always want them to reconcile at the least

Basically they can't since it will impact their future memories with their individual channels, by keeping it vague you don't develop any ill wills with the whole event aside from the shock of the final goodbye which already could have broken their carriers. It is sad that community doesn't explain very well and just down votes but if you want me to explain then what happened was lot of ill will started between pat and Matt/Liam and both their gfs not liking pat make the situation worse. Now imagine after all that they finally decided to part ways and chance of these three reconciling are slim to none cause again they don't like one another. (Edit : useless auto correct)

No, I think he and Matt no longer talk.

I always felt this... yoko broke them up

Is there any evidence that she didn't like him orrrrr?

@@hibarikyoya854 yes. Soon after pat made a tweet trying to fix his relationship with Liam she made a not so cleaver tweet talking crap about "someone" bothering someone who wants nothing to do with them.

Matt and Liam do tons of videos together. Pat and Woolie have streamed together a handful of times as well. I don't think that Woolie is very close to anyone but Pat anymore.

@@KaninUsagi woolie and mat were originally friends before he introduced pat to Matt

This is why the video they put out isn't good enough. You have people asking who's friends with who for years.

@@escalatingbarbarism5096 here's a thought: it's none of your business =)

@@randomfox12245- Here’s a thought: Don’t get pissy at people for asking innocent questions. 😊

Lol can you blame them.

@@Shadow_of_Yharnam yeah I can. It's been almost 3 years.

@@yoindianbro then you must’ve not liked SBFP very much then. You wouldn’t understand.

@@Shadow_of_Yharnam if you say so

@@yoindianbro that’s right.

Liam is kinda a whiney bitch, that's really where it comes from.

The explanation was more transparent than most. Matt and Pat are no longer friends. I remember even other KZfaq folks like the dudes at OneyPlays, DingDong and Julian praised them for being so open with the situation. This comment is the equivalent of getting a nude pic from someone but being like “….but you didn’t put the camera INSIDE your butthole”

@@PoopFartNut I have no idea who those people are that you mentioned but yeah I guess you're right people just suddenly stop being friends after many years

@@PoopFartNut um because Ding Dong was bullied into unaliving himself by Game Grumps

​@@PoopFartNutthey weren't open at all. Matt's wife hates Paige and pat.

Why lie? You want them to be fake?

How do you not know bruh, pat had a huge break up with Liam and Matt not to mention this dung heap platform actively hampering the let's play community despite there being so much potential.

@@MGrey-qb5xz pretty damn hard to find let's plays nowadays especially good ones

@@narutogen13 Materwelonz is a good channel

@@MegaPieru3000 I'll check his channel

the pic i got tho is really funny, woolie looks like he wants to punch me

So you were 15, so not the most reliable narration. You were behind him for a while, maybe that was noticed, I know I hate when folks linger behind me for while without saying anything when you they’re probably watching you good intentioned or not. You didn’t even like the guy and you asked for a picture, amongst the many people in his life who ask for pictures (first time for you, but maybe hundredth or thousandth total for him in general since being on KZfaq), so who knows the vibe or how it was asked. And after all that, when he might’ve been tired or who knows what, he still gave you a picture……Eh I’m not saying it’s impossible he was “unpleasant”, but that’s not the take away from the story. Especially when it’s common for people with a following even the nicest people to have stories of someone claiming they were an asshole to them because they weren’t 100%. Especially when we know the dude has RBF. Hell we don’t even know where you saw him.

@@PoopFartNut lmfao cope more dude wtf

Cause they weren't friends anymore. They gave you an explanation. You just want there to be more to it. Some sort of drama "worthy" of the breakup.

@@Eidlones will you fuck off and let me cope? Thanks

@@Eidlonesit’s not that, the explanation of “we’re just not friends get over it lolz “ after a decade + of content and in the middle of multiple LPs was weird and out of context. I don’t even expect or want a reunion like some of these people, unless it was something Matt and Pat wanted. I think it’s only natural that people are going to inquire about what happened since they were given next to nothing on why the split occurred.

​@somedayslater6276 sassy little cringetwink can't handle the truth eh?

They gave the answer. MATT AND PAT DON’T LIKE EACH OTHER. If you can’t fill in the blanks from there, it’s a social queue issue.

It's almost like Matt isn't friends with them...

@@chaing-kai-shek2862 but matt is a nice guy and pat isn't really

@@MBeats27 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Matt kick the ps2 during their Jojo Fisticuffs?

@@chaing-kai-shek2862 so what?

@@MBeats27 Idk about you but normal people don't rage like that in casual matches with friends.

I'm just going to say: people really like having things explained/discussed at them. So if you make random one-offs about pieces of obscure media, you're more likely to clicks on it than part #52 of a let's play of a game people may or may not have an interest in.

Preach

If Yoko was a member of the band for years who also knew the most about music??

They can't answer that they fought and stuff, if they said anything negative their solo content would take a hit as it would leave a sour taste in your mind. Basically as a die hard one can tell pat just isn't friends with Matt and Liam Period

@@MGrey-qb5xz That too. Incentivized hiding or something.

What the fuck do you mean precedent? Oh these guys made up, so now as a let's play channel that means YOU ALL have to make up because you all do let's plays together. That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

@@normalguycap It does seem that their content has taken a hit in some ways, many of the old hands would rather talk about the old days on reddit then actually watch the new content. But very likely not the hit they would've taken had it been clear in the likely very negative way I can only now (by token of their inability to provide much otherwise) assume. I think its likely due to being somewhat consistent in terms of the content those members provide. "Third, when you chose a low impact social-type career of streaming and playing games, you don't get that same degree of privacy." This. This is something Woolie has struggled with throughout the TBFP timeline to his modern channel. He wants to control the narrative and the image of what is presented. He has always struggled with this. It is hard to sympathize at his point of his career.

@@Gungho73 wholly agree, thank you for your input.

lol the hard truth however new fans or overly emotional fans don't understand the reasons , pat fell out with Liam and then with Matt. Even staying as business friends was tough since their personalities on the extreme end just don't mix