World Championship Armies! ~ Ardacon 2023 breakdown

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10 ай бұрын

Ardacon is the biggest Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game tournament in the world. In this video we break down the winning lists of the tournament!
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@Jake-Rawdog-Rawson
@Jake-Rawdog-Rawson 10 ай бұрын
My hobbit archer was an absolute champion! He got more kills in combat than in shooting over the weekend and only died once when Gully needed a snack 😂 but the main reason he's there is to provide my banner model with resistance to magic for AoE spells like nature's wrath and tremor to stop him going prone
@nickahlbach5064
@nickahlbach5064 10 ай бұрын
Really nice job. As a fellow Arnor player, have you experimentet with a Hobbit horn? Has it made a difference or does it not really matter because the number are more effective and the go to way to deal with terror is those lads around Arvedui?
@Jake-Rawdog-Rawson
@Jake-Rawdog-Rawson 10 ай бұрын
@nickahlbach5064 Thanks pal! Normally I really like the horn as it means you can put C4 rangers on far objectives. I've only found that it works at certain points levels tho as typically if you don't break, the horn is far less effective. I would only include it at 700 points, or if you're allying in an elf faction such as lothlorien as you lose the fearless bubble so it is more crucial :)
@tamarnaud1436
@tamarnaud1436 10 ай бұрын
Hi ! I'm Le Preux Shawn. Ardacon was such a great experience I really loved it. And so many faces I already knew because of youtube videos like this one. Your chanel was one of the first I spoted when I came back into the game and it's a pleasure to be mentionned here. (even with a eavy accent... 😆) BTW : Not bragging or anything but our last match was a draw against the 1st place players... Okay bragging a little. May Ugluk's scouts roam the battlefields forever !
@Klickor
@Klickor 10 ай бұрын
As the 3rd placed Numenor and Rivendell player who played against the 1st placed player and all 3 4th to 6th placed players I have some inputs. An important part about Cirdan that you missed is the blinding light. Lots of shooting lists that did well and having Blinding Light is pretty good against those. Besides the 4 top 10 players I also played against Jay Achyara (2nd place last year) who ended up in 30th place and played Assault Upon Helm's Deep with 2 ballistas and my last game I faced Serpent Horde/Far Harad with the Betrayer who ended up 32nd. Besides the Goblin Town list Blinding Light was pretty important. The IH player got crushed in game 1 against me and played his way up the tables from the bottom which might have helped him get there. If he continued playing the IH ballista wrong in his remaining games while also facing shooting lists I can see why he somehow managed to get there. He played it like it had more than 48" range and that it stopped shooting 6" from the projectile path. I didn't find out that he misplayed that until I was back in Sweden and actually looked it up with the club copy of the book. I think the scenarios had a large part in numbers being so successful. The scenarios were: To the Death, Domination, Retrieval, Command the Battlefield, Reconnoiter and then in the last round Assasination. In the first 5 scenarios the numbers lists got one of the better if not the best scenario out of each pool. I faced the Arnor list in the only really bad scenario out of the 6 that was left when it was round 5, Reconnoiter. That game was a bit on the back foot from the start but as I had Isildur I had a shot if I managed to kill Malbeth early to stop the saves and then kill off Arvedui soon after so when he breaks he will run off the table and not manage to move any models of the table. Ofc I didn't roll well (I lost the shooting war despite Blinding Light) and then he managed to roll 5+ like a god the first 2 turns in melee before I finally managed to kill Malbeth with Isildur but at that point he had barely lost anything and rather than I snowballing him it was he who did did that to me. For being my first tournament that I didn't host myself I am quite happy with the results. Was hoping for some easy games to start with but with the opposition I faced coming in 3rd is way over my expectations. My 6 opponents in total went 29 wins, 1 draw and 7 losses and 5 out of those 7 losses were against me.
@caesarmartinez4296
@caesarmartinez4296 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for breaking that down. Your list was what I was most excited to see as a Rivendell player myself. Of course I feel Rivendell is married to Numenor at this point haha!
@Klickor
@Klickor 10 ай бұрын
@@caesarmartinez4296 yeah. No matter how I try to build a pure Rivendell list that isn't just Elrond with Knights it always feels better if I add in Isildur or Elendil and a bunch of Numenoreans. Isildur/Elendil + Erestor/Glorfindel and then Cirdan to bind it all together. Cirdan really is what brings it all together. The lower stats on the Numenoreans doesn't matter as much when you have his buffs up and enchanted blades makes it so you can use your big heroes with more precision and reliability since they won't need to spend any might on boosting wound rolls. The only awkward thing is that at some point levels (like 700) you might not want Elendil or Glorfindel yet but you run out of warrior slots since Cirdan is still nerfed to just a minor hero. If they returned him to fortitude again I would continue with just Isildur and Erestor (both of them are just so good for their points) at even higher points than currently.
@BlumenkohlBroccoli1
@BlumenkohlBroccoli1 10 ай бұрын
Which Scenario did you played against those IH Dwarfs and how did you won that? S4/D7 seems quite nasty for Numenor/Rivendell.
@Klickor
@Klickor 10 ай бұрын
@@BlumenkohlBroccoli1 it was to the death but that list is very bad into my list in all scenarios. It's 28 models with the 4 warmachine crew included. So in melee it's 24 dwarves vs 33 elves and numenoreans. He also doesn't have a banner. So I have a large numbers advantage, fight advantage and banner. S4 also helps against D8. Erestor is pretty good against the dwarves as well with his profile. Cirdan counters the ballista pretty well and even though I have a lot of shooting my list is even better in melee. No heroic defense on Dain either so as soon as he got into combat I just trapped him with Isildur and killed him. With already being so outnumbered that list can't really screen out Isildur from killing the heroes without just totally crumbling just against the basic warriors.
@caesarmartinez4296
@caesarmartinez4296 10 ай бұрын
Could you break down how/when you choose to use The Ring with Isildur?
@joshmortimer3433
@joshmortimer3433 10 ай бұрын
Great video as usual, thanks for listing all the armies and breaking them down. Its great to see unexpected armies win.
@SevenStarsandSevenStones
@SevenStarsandSevenStones 10 ай бұрын
I appreciate that Arnor was the highest ranked force in the video you put out a while ago that was based win ratings, and it ended up placing first!
@christopherpeery7436
@christopherpeery7436 9 ай бұрын
Cant wait to see your next terrain set! Love both of your sets
@TiagoRamosVideos
@TiagoRamosVideos 10 ай бұрын
Great video 👌 thanks 🙏
@davidbaines256
@davidbaines256 10 ай бұрын
Great, thanks mate
@samsowden
@samsowden 10 ай бұрын
the thing about hype armies is that everyone comes with a plan with how to deal with them. no one was planning to face arnor at the top.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 10 ай бұрын
I totally agree, everyone would have been prepared to go up against the Host of the Dragon Emperor and Assault on Lothlorien so that made them preform worse
@punchyMiddleEarth
@punchyMiddleEarth 10 ай бұрын
Another great video 😎
@darchensol5112
@darchensol5112 2 ай бұрын
for the ugluk scout doubles list the empty captains are for early drops. by the time you put them down, you know where a fair chunk of the enemy are going to be (even in maelstrom, so you can decide if mighting is worth it) so then you can stack most of your army where you want. this means you dont need to move your orcs much and they can keep up for the bonus. scout captains can just run over and join up later.
@star_wars_miniatures
@star_wars_miniatures 10 ай бұрын
I hope the next project is either Elf or Gondor based!!! But I get how difficult it would be designing and printing Elven architecture
@robertedwardhughes9172
@robertedwardhughes9172 10 ай бұрын
Or Orc! What I wouldn't do for the Orc/Goblin buildings from Battle for Middle Earth
@giovdb
@giovdb 10 ай бұрын
Gandalf the Grey can strengthen will on Alfrid, so it’s an “infinite”might combo. That’s probably why he was there.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 10 ай бұрын
You are absolutely correct, I should have mentioned that one
@2WARDEN2
@2WARDEN2 10 ай бұрын
It's interesting to see the high model count meta which I've also found to be supremely important. At the end of the day, you're generally trying to wound something on a 5+ so you end up list building and playing in such a way that you're using as many dice as possible to improve your odds (Beyond banners, higher F, more shooting, etc etc). That Arnor lists exemplifies the mindset: A lot of above average F and high D guys packing as many bows as possible with them to just absolutely grind opponents down. I've wanted to collect Arnor for a long, long time and feel more inspired now than ever to do exactly that lol
@yaketysaks
@yaketysaks 10 ай бұрын
I think Lothlorien is seeing a big resurgence because it counters so many of the current meta lists. Blinding Light + widespread resistance to magic for AOL/shooting, F6 troops to shut down Dragon Emperor, great shooting, good offensive magic, and sentinels for positional play. It doesn’t have any big beatstick mounted heroes but it seems the meta these days is all about maximising numbers of good quality troops, which Loth can do
@SonsOfGondor1
@SonsOfGondor1 10 ай бұрын
The flail weapon swaps (there are one in each of the named hero warbands) are actually a brilliant play - Whirl doesn't reduce the FV of the spearman, but gets you an extra wounding die if you're against two models. With almost everyone carrying a spear, Whirl will almost never hurt you.
@mattl2k6
@mattl2k6 10 ай бұрын
@8:03 he has two batswarms, one with Druzhag and one with Muzgur.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 10 ай бұрын
Totally my bad, you are correct!
@grimgrauman7650
@grimgrauman7650 10 ай бұрын
The great thing about Gandalf in laketown is that he can give more will to Alfred. Then he can generate even more might
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 10 ай бұрын
This is a great point, he can use strengthen will to boost Alfred's will to farm more might
@endhope
@endhope 10 ай бұрын
Very few dwarven armies in these types of lists. Seeing as you know the tournament scene pretty well, why is that? And as a fellow up, what needs to happen for dwarves to become more competitive
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! Dwarves in general covers a few factions. You have Kazad Dum, Iron Hills, Thorin's Company, Army of Thror, and Erebor Reclaimed. Each has their own play style. Overall I don't think that Dwarves are typically weak at all. They have some amazing value heroes such as Thror, Thrain, Dwalin Champion of Erebor, and Dain. To point out the weaknesses of Dwarves in general they are slow and in this game movement and taking objectives is so important. If you enemy is able to take the objectives before you its going to be an uphill battle. In order to see more Dwarves on the top of the podium I think we just need more of the experienced member of the community bringing them to big events
@juansanchez-yc3de
@juansanchez-yc3de 10 ай бұрын
Maybe Im wrong but I miss 50 points in goblin town to reach 700, or Angmar excess in 50 points, could you help me?
@intothewestpodcast
@intothewestpodcast 10 ай бұрын
Interesting to see LOTR armies took the podium but the Hobbit armies dominated the rest of the top 10, not sure if there's anything there... Arnor has been strong in our scene for quite a while (especially at low points), but it's definitely growing in popularity! -Richard
@carysage
@carysage 10 ай бұрын
Arnor! Well alright!
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 10 ай бұрын
It surprised me for sure!
@robertstephens3847
@robertstephens3847 10 ай бұрын
I love that an unexpected army wins Ardacon.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! So am I, it shows that the game is in a great spot
@star_wars_miniatures
@star_wars_miniatures 10 ай бұрын
Kylie’s trophy cabinet must be insane!!🏆🏆 maybe even a trophy room??
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 10 ай бұрын
She went to the USA after the UK and won the Nova Open, the largest tournament in the USA. Now she is in New Zealand for another tournament!
@star_wars_miniatures
@star_wars_miniatures 10 ай бұрын
That is real dedication to our amazing hobby travelling all these major distances for tournaments! I barely get out of bed on some days 😅😂
@kangaroo8858
@kangaroo8858 10 ай бұрын
Is there any place where i could watch the vod of the finals?
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 10 ай бұрын
Unfortunately not this year. A dream of mine is to go and do media coverage of the whole event through Conquest Creations
@MarcRitzMD
@MarcRitzMD 10 ай бұрын
That sounds excruciatingly tiring and expensive (since you're an Aussie especially). I've seen the livestream of NOVA, and it was absolutely unwatchable because of the poor production values. Just a random, static camera pointed at the board. Even if it were 8k resolution and on a massive TV, you wouldn't be able to tell what's going on. An edited, narrative video with some clips takes away from the sport aspect of it. The reason why one can watch a soccer highlight video is because it can source video from the whole match, including surprising moments and reactions that one wouldn't have thought to record otherwise. Player reactions, commentary also make it more engaging but then you're plagued with audio issues. It's super hard to do perfectly
@hobbyganster
@hobbyganster 10 ай бұрын
One reason for taking the captain in laketown over percy: The banner of bard effects him. Gives him reroll and +1 Fight.
@HeiSann1
@HeiSann1 10 ай бұрын
Bards special rule effects Percy as well. The main reason for taking the captain is to get march into the list.
@rambosquirrel6943
@rambosquirrel6943 10 ай бұрын
Nothing needs “fixing” in the Arnor list or final round
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 10 ай бұрын
This proved that the Arnor list is top tier! They don't need any updates or new units
@xavierlemaire7620
@xavierlemaire7620 10 ай бұрын
Taking the dragon emperor to a tournament is a boardline scumbag move
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 10 ай бұрын
A lot of people think that he is over powered but give that he wasn't in the top 10 lists and not in the top 3 of the invitational its pretty clear that there are a lot of ways to defeat him
@finnbruton7274
@finnbruton7274 10 ай бұрын
I wish they didn’t nerf rangers of ithilien so bad. They only have strength 2 bows and no cavalry (besides faramir). Now you have to take the hobbits it just makes it uncompetitive except at very high points. Maybe they should have made you take Frodo or 1 hobbit but not three….
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 10 ай бұрын
It an interesting one because the nerf took them from a top tier army to a low tier army. I am very happy with the nerf because at low points it was a very negative play experience to go up against 40ish bows. Frodo, Sam, and Gollum aren't a total points loss you can still get some value out of them but limit your army to high points if you want to be powerful
@finnbruton7274
@finnbruton7274 10 ай бұрын
@@ConquestCreations true, bows take the fun about of things sometimes. Rangers of Gondor are just thematically my favourite faction so it was nice to play them.
@riroucataplan7182
@riroucataplan7182 10 ай бұрын
Vive la France 😂
@ArchangelTyrael
@ArchangelTyrael 10 ай бұрын
Wait the rule writer can play in tournaments? That is an absolute conflict of interest. Should not be allowed.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 10 ай бұрын
I think there are a few people who share this thought. Personally I think it's great that he plays in tournaments. Everyone has access to the rules that he writes so it is all balanced and it gives him very in-depth understanding of the game and the community
@ArchangelTyrael
@ArchangelTyrael 10 ай бұрын
@ConquestCreations Understanding or not, it remains a conflict of interest. Like how politicians can not hire family/friends or their own company for public works. Yeah, they may have a in depth knowledge or expertise. It's a conflict of interest, and you can not have that. No matter the experience, as a rule writer you have to be neutral. You should not have the appearance that you may benefit. And sure, he might not, but you can not risk the chances.
@JohnnyTightIips
@JohnnyTightIips 4 ай бұрын
why?@@ArchangelTyrael
@kscott2655
@kscott2655 10 ай бұрын
Sound quality is awful. It's a shame because you make good videos on a topic not widely covered.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! After having another listen I agree it isn't great. We are hopefully moving into a studio soon and will be upgrading
@Edward-Plantagenet
@Edward-Plantagenet 10 ай бұрын
Interesting to hear all the changes you'd make to the lists and what the armies would do IF you went to the event, but of course, you didn't sooooooo...... Mostly really enjoy your content but the constant "I'd have built the list differently" got a bit tiresome.
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