Please pancake lens. Please

You are not wrong. DFR needs to become native to flight sims in the same way that OpenXR itself is.. DFR is essential to 4k-per-eye headsets and beyond. If you turned off DFR on your Aero or Crystal and tried to run 100% resolution, your performance really suffers, even on a 4090. When we make the leap to 6k-per-eye and beyond, DFR will be an essential technology enabler.

Completely agree.

With eye-tracking and DFR, you only need to render around 30% Horizontal and 30% Vertical where you're actually looking.. the rest can be rendered at 10% quality and you wouldn't notice because it's in your peripheral vision. I think the mid-term future is going to divide headsets that have eye-tracking and those that do not.

Varjo are

@@hypersonicpiano6120 Somnium too

@@hypersonicpiano6120The xr-4 was launched in such a poor state that I would consider it a scam if not for varjo's reputation.

​@@hypersonicpiano6120 but it's business enterprises focused unlike Pimax that are doing it in consumer level

@@hypersonicpiano6120aren’t Varjo more focusing on the business market? And they ripped off all their customers before the significant price drop when the crystal came.

Thank you, sir! Glad to have you here.

Hey guys, sorry but I need advice. I have saved enough for the XR4, should I just get a Q3, hold out for something from pimax etc or go ahead and get the XR4. I just wanted the best headset to game on a 4090rtx for sim racing

Same here

When is the projected release date?

The aim is to show the Pimax 12K headset at CES - January 2025.

This is the super lol not the 12k

@@drmikehuntphd7905 I did watch the video. And I was not talking about the video. Though, the video did talk about both the crystal and the 12K, to some extent. Noting in the video said anything about the super, even once. What I was talking about is some online roomers, that the 12K, not the super, is to be out 1st Q of 2025. But is all just an unconfirmed roomer. Some have been spitting out dates for the 12K to be out, as far back as 2023. So I take the roomer, as serous as a robot actor having a heart attack. On a side note: I would not confuse someone texting "super", for the 12K. If they typed in "12K", for what they was taking about, I mean I seen them talk about the 12K. Feel me? O.o

If done well, I think it's going to trigger a new wave of higher resolution displays and better optics throughout the industry!

@tallymouse I truly hope so because the more VR & AR gets, the more we won't have to stipulate on situations analogous to reality. In layman's terms: the closer we get to being able to merge the day-to-day with VR/AR overlays, the more we'll be able to merge the two together without needing barriers such as being tied to a computer or having to separate a monitor from a headset. The primary concern I have with VR/AR is strictly due to how it becomes integrated into everyday life. A high framerate displays will pave the way for future businesses to do away completely with boardrooms, such as how access to high-speed internet has almost completely done away with the need for localized call centers. Most office work can be done at your own home, and in a far more comfortable environment, production has shown to be increased compared to offices where employees feel watched.

The Quest3 is a great headset, and people who scuba dive will find that they're right at home..

@@tallymouse i have actually been thinking about getting my mom one for her birthday. Q3 is pretty decent for the prize and there is no need to install base-stations etc. its a good headset from what i read online, its just not for me.

@@tomduke1297 I think your mom would love the Q3 - as it's very accessible, and doesn't come with the encumbrance of needing to understand PCVR etc.. can just work standalone with a whole bunch of games/apps.. especially the MR aspect, you really can do cooking, for example, while watching a youtube video that you've glued to the wall next to the stove! It's like having a virtual TV that you can carry around the house with you!

@@tallymouse that sounds pretty awesome! ;)

Me too!

Large ? How much large. Specs says 125 deg, in real it is 102-105 deg.

@supersprit5733 the BIG FOV lenses add about 10deg to whatever HFOV you are currently seeing.

You may say that, and I couldn't possibly comment, or confirm or deny...

@@tallymouseThat's how it was.. the 12K was on the roadmap before the Crystal. Pimax themselves have said many times that they share the same housing to reduce manufacturing cost. If they changed the housing for the 12K I imagine it would only have been due to necessity.

@stevetb7777 yes, i know.. i was just trying to NDA..

To add as an engineer myself based on what I am surmising from this report re state of play, would be amazed if 12k is released before Q4 2024, which isnt a bad thing because I think we are going to need 5080s or 5090s to drive this beast. I feel the sweetspot is going to be the Crystal with wide FOV lenses or the VR1 for at least the next year or two.

With ET, DFR​, Quadviews I run my Crystal native at 120hz and am HZ limited on a now 4 year old GPU so its the Game played that limits performance only @alexsepulveda2703

Can you expand on "bino overlap"? Is that when the stereo (ie. 3D) effect isn't as strong (ie. not as much depth perception) as it's supposed to be? I heard from a few people that the "other" Pimax headsets like the 5K, 8K have this compared to non-Pimax headsets therefore the 3D effect in those Pimax headsets - while definitely still there & strong - aren't as strong as they're supposed to be. However, I heard this was corrected/fixed with the Crystal...

It's early days, of course, but it would appear that the 12k would be heading along the direction of a pure PCVR headset, and that it's possible that the AIO side of things would continue on in another new branch of headsets. This makes sense, because it's clear that the simmer market and the standalone market do not overlap much i.e. you're either FPS/VR Chat, or you're MSFS/DCS, with a few people doing all. However, time will tell...

@@tallymouse Thanks for clarifying

When you strain to look fully left and right in normal life you cannot achieve complete stereoscopic vision because you nose occludes part of your vision. Also, if you try to read a book when it's 105degrees off the centerline axis of your head, you'll realize you don't necessarily need 35ppd all the way out to 210degrees. I'm not commenting here on what I saw in the technology demonstrator.. but remember that lenses can be made to have high ppd within the central 'glancing about' region, and lower ppd in the extremities.. with that logic, you don't need to linearly maintain ppd across your whole FOV. I'd personally be happy if I had 40ppd in the middle 120deg, and then, say 20ppd, in the remainder, because at extreme angles of eye movement, i'd naturally move my head anyway..

Mate, let’s be honest… if you own a Crystal and a 4090, you’ll be getting a 12K haha. I know I sure as hell would be. 😅

@granthartley it's tempting but still I won't be the first to buy. I will let someone else test it first.

It's not your GPU struggling at all. It's the bandwidth limitation, that causes all the issues.

5k+ is a solid headset!

The one I tested was running on a laptop! DFR is the key to all future hugh-res headaets. I cannot see why it wouldn't run on a 3080..

I don't think that was AirCar. It was Low-Fi beta.

Hi, Jaap here. I sometimes like to demo Air Car. No controls, no need to explain any gameplay. Just look! And the graphics hold up very well.

All.I can say is that they have a number of options and methods that I saw, based around the goal of giving you the best of bith worlds: high clarity and very large FOV.

Thank you for the reply.

Micro led curvy screen ....under 1 inch, would almost require no lens...

Yes - though after the Crystal Super

Nope.. it was a technology testbed for both 12k, the swappable optical stack wasn't obvious on the platform I tried.

@@tallymouse but this has the big lenses of the super? and maybe the panels also... and the FOV was about what the super promises? I dont mean like proper prototype of SUPER, but like early testbed for it.

@@Nobody-Nowhere As you'd have seen from the latest Pimax video.. the 12k is still under development, and will be a leap beyond the Super

@@tallymouse On the stream with MRTV they actually confirmed that this was indeed the Super prototype. They do say that 12k is still in development, but that has 200 degree FOV, so it needs different type of lenses.

Idk why tally is arguing with you lol, this was the crystal super prototype

It's what happens if you embraced NHS glasses as a child and survived the continual schoolground beatings to survive through to adulthood!

Was on a laptop..

I'd also like to know... FOV for me matters more than clarity

Then get 8kx.

not for sale anymore

Pimax not telling the truth? Whaaaat?

This was a technology demonstrator, so the lens system did not necessarily represent full human FOV. As an example, if you put a 6k oanel together with the Crystal's lenses, you'd naturally end up with better resolution- although, if you were to match those same displays with an ultra high FOV lens system, then you may well end up back at 35ppd. I was only reporting on what I saw, and as I do not work for Pimax, I have no skin in the game other than telling what I saw and how I saw it, within the confines of what I am permitted, at this stage, to divulge.

@@tallymouse Okay, so it's not the 200 degree FOV? Can you tell it is a wide lenses since there should be two lenses overlapping one another? Edit: Okay, so on the video, you show picture of the Crystal and Technology Demonstrator together. Is this a real side by side comparison with the Crystal? That is a huge lenses and the overall size of the housing is much bigger?

@@reptilexcq2 unfortunately,.i am not at liberty to say 🤨

@@tallymouse Crystal X

The team who has been working on it has done A LOT of work already - many iterations ahead of (some) competitors with many revisions into functioning prototypes. Barrel distortion profiles, 1-1 tracking etc all have profiles for each IPD setting, and each lens type needs that too. The need to ensure that all parameterization has been addressed (for each upcoming headset too), before they will commit to a launch.

Yup...no battery!

It's more likely the same software and it's also more likely that the Crystal is just a by-product on their way to 12K...

12k is ridiculous. Very few GPUs are powerful enough to run games on the Pimax Crystal at highest resolution. There's no PC and GPU that would even be able to take advantage of full 12k. @@NanaHoshi35

Sometimes children are more expensive than a kidney - or at least feel like it!

FOV!

@@tallymouse Compared to base Crystal, how much more FOV?

@georgetazberik6834 i am not permitted, right now to divulge specific numbers - but if you were to ask me if all lens systems were MORE than Crystal, i could not possibly confirm nor deny..

fair enough

It was running on a laptop! To understand how, you need to understand DFR.

I hope that's a good lol 😆

@@tallymouse for sure

They are willing to take a risk.. and pushing things forward, regardless of the company, benefits all of us!

@@tallymouse exactly .. improvement is always based on risk . I guess that's why chinese company are so successful in last 10 years , I hope that major VR developers will start making great games and good applications sooner. Valve took a risk by making Half-Life: Alyx and made a good profit. Of course, now it is no longer a risk to make major VR titles because there are 50 million headsets out there.