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Dude - Can't thank you enough for this comment. I have big nostalgia for old school wow and absolutely LOVE old stories like this. Really appreciate your sharing. Your basement shortcut is amazing. Don't you wish you could have kept video of those old days? At least you remember. I have a vid called "First Achievement" where I digress into my experience in those first few months of WOW (not the beta like you though) you might appreciate some of the stuff I share. Thanks again! - Jeff -- kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sKpiht2Lzq-rnmw.html

@@720zone I had 3 pvp videos on googlevideo, only 1 of which I mirrored here... sadge

But that technology of being able to play the game while it was still downloading didnt come after a few expansions?

@@KevinArcade87 yes it is... cataclysm. It was only after they updated wow launcher. So this guy just a liar :)

and a lot of the ones that did have coastlines, they didnt feel like they were attached to the zone in question.

It's also funny to think about what path Deathwing must have taken to make those patterns on the map. E.g. Making that 90 degree turn at 10:30 because it was a convenient zone border, then doubling back to burn a couple spots to the south. And the bird's eye view of Stormwind makes the park look really small, like he could've just torn through the whole city instead.

Never thought of Deathwing's actual path of destruction; very interesting point. In many cases it looked like topography changes were simply used to clear unfinished borders between zones so flying would work - like the big sundering across the entire continent basically follows unfinished zone border. Really appreciate the comment.

hah! Check it out man!

Dude, I've played since 2004, as Horde almost exclusively, and I have NEVER been shown, told, or even heard about this passage in, err, well, passing. This is one of the best-kept "legit" secrets in all of WoW.

Awesome man! Glad to know I'm not the only one interested in these maps.

Exactly my opinion. I hate thay the world was changed but appreciate the effort.

@@720zone yeah you look at the content given 6 raids 14 dungeons then they also revamped quite a few leveling ones, they provided new zones, revamped world, talent reworks, and other QOL items. No other expansion after really compares to the amount of content. I feel if they squashed the bugs faster in the beginning and maybe stretched the high level content out to help that drought in the end of the expansion the expansion may have had a better light on it.

That's the plan!

Appreciate the clarification; thank you!

Really!?!?!? I'm going to try to get to the line today...

Yes! You're 100% right on. These are technically a separate instance, and thereby a separate map from the Eastern Kingdoms in the game file, so I left them out.

You can see easily Alterac Mountains with Hillsbrad, it was one of the zones that barely changed in Cataclysm

Totally right. I call out Deadwind pass as part of Swamp of Sorrows at 14:50 // And Alterac is technically part of Hillsbrad at 4:01 -- Really appreciate your watching and commenting man. Thanks!

Hey man. Really appreciate this feedback.

@@720zone I've read my comment and it seemed kinda mean - I enjoyed the content! But the commentary would make it better, even if done hastily :)

I think it's better that way because I can pause and analize it by myself

HAH! Slackers!!

I think it was an attempt to replicate the feel of Icecrown with the need to fly to the raid instance portal, but it fell flat in the end.

TOTALLY agree. Completely changed the horizon a big section of the continent...for the worse.

So well said - I've made this same point. Cata, while having some fun elements to it, was a HUGE mistake. You can expand your game by deleting elements of the previous game, which is exactly what Cata did. Now they've made the same mistake again in Classic. And yes, all of the subscription charts show the peak at the end of WOTLK, and a decline starting with Cata. That's why I truly call WoW 1 classic through Wrath, ending with the epic kill of the most notorious boss, and best storyline, Arthas. Appreciate the comment man.

@@720zone Hard disagree. Actually Cata *was* the high point for subs in WoW, as the numbers and charts that are readily available prove quite easily. The thing is, though, without Arthas left anymore - and with WarCraft III's main villains and story wrapped up, a lot of players decided to call it quits between 4.0 and 4.1. Cataclysm was no mistake - it just didn't have the grip on players for the next set of stories until near the end of the expansion, after most players that were on the bubble had already left the game. Let's also not get into the huge spikes in population that we saw during MoP's launch and the almost-more-impressive spikes during WoD and Legion's launch. To be fair, I won't mention how subs consistently went down throughout WotLK until they spiked after Ruby Sanctum with players returning for Cata. ;0) Because, let's face it, WotLK was simply not a great expansion: it used outdated gameplay and mechanics even when it was current, and had way too many reused assets, encounters, and plot threads. The launch of the expansion was also one of the roughest WoW has ever had. All that said, If WotLK had any nearly any other antagonist for the final boss, I guarantee it would only be seen today as being marginally better than WoD, if that. I genuinely mean no offense by this, but this soon after seeing the expansion again with fresh, mature eyes, I can't believe how many players still have such rose-tinted goggles when it comes to WotLK. Subjectively, it just was not a great expansion both in terms of fresh, new content and in terms of pushing the gameplay and tech to new heights. Also, on the topic of the world revamp being a mistake and unnecessary: having to do 80 levels at that point just to bring your character up to current expansion content...well, it was a lot, especially with how Classic questing (the bulk of the leveling journey at the time) was "structured". Besides that, so many changes were made to the tech under the hood between WotLK and Cata that the whole world would have had to essentially been rebuilt anyways. (That comes from the Cataclysm behind-the-scenes interviews with the devs themselves.) If world revamps were a huge mistake, players would not be near-begging the devs since Legion to re-do the Old World and update many of it's zones AGAIN. Can you really tell me it's not interesting and fascinating and engaging to look back and forth between these maps and pull out all the little details that changed? Or to imagine, like I have many times during this video, the locations on the map as seen in the actual game world with a startle of recognition and astonishment at 'oh, I never knew..." or "I didn't realize..." or "It's so cool they changed _____ to ______"? I know I can't. Anyways, thanks for the video @720zone. I do hope you release the Kalimdor version of this soon - and I hope you take my comments merely for what they are: good-natured, good-humored spirited debate regarding a disagreement about something that doesn't really matter in the first place! XD Cheers!

I started in 2006, I didnt mind the zone changes, it was mostly the story alterations they made, they leaned far too much into parody with a lot of the zones and they lost their unique flavor. the actual zones themselves I think most were well made, and it was nice to see the parts that were simply optical illusions becoming fleshed out with cataclysm. a simple diorama becoming something more tangible.