World War 3 simulation Operation Unthinkable

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Is this scenario, I did an alternate scenario based on the concept of "Operation Unthinkable"
This Operation was a real idea that passed through Winston Churchill's head, consisting a plan to invade the Soviet Union right after the end of WW2 in Europe.
I did 2 scenarios, both of them consisted in western allies destroying the soviet units as fast as possible, and using nukes as well.
In the first scenario, soviets resisted the first attack and western allies failed to destroy the advanced soviet units.
On the second one, western allies successfully destroyed part os the soviet frontline and decimated the country in a span of 2~ years.
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@vauiarex4877 2 жыл бұрын

I can't imagine how fucked that timeline would be, launching a world war when all of Europe is already a war-torn wasteland.

@itsnotwhatyouthink6863 Жыл бұрын

It would probably be better than what we have now. There would have been no cold war and quite possibly a much more western influenced Russia.

@raiogelato6921 Жыл бұрын

@@itsnotwhatyouthink6863 there would not be anyone in europe by the end of the war, the marshall plan would fail miserably just because europe would be inexistent, europe would probably become the 3rd world in this timeline.

@justacat2 Жыл бұрын

@@itsnotwhatyouthink6863 it would have been atleast 2X worse and we wouldnt have a spacerace

@justacat2 Жыл бұрын

@@itsnotwhatyouthink6863 the casualties wouldbe extremly high even higher than WW2 and the world would be a nuclear wasteland

@eliasziad7864 Жыл бұрын

@@raiogelato6921 Exactly and America would have suffered millions of deaths.

@clementinelee9606 Жыл бұрын

world war 2: *ends* soviet union: *existing* The USA: Alright, One more time

@godfreydubissette7527 Жыл бұрын

Lol true

@Fielza Жыл бұрын

Oh and let's make countries that were invaded existant

@orcho141 11 ай бұрын

If only

@CallsignRedKale 8 ай бұрын

Europe : Oh WHEN ?!?!? WHEN WILL IT END ?!?!?!?!?!????!!!

@MegrelMamba 6 ай бұрын

By existing you mean killing millions, including my people?

@shonewarrior2178 2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure the ukrainians and belarussians wouldn't support the allies after getting nuked by them lol, it makes no sense. I know you said your scenario wasn't meant to be realistic but god, there's a step.

@aeoe665 Жыл бұрын

To be fair they’d rather join the winning side rather than the losing one even if it means they’re capital gets nuked

@wilhelmjtard Жыл бұрын

Look at reality, Japan is an ally of the US, they got nuked twice by them.

@Itailan-Geography Жыл бұрын

Japan joins the chat: here’s the story about me and the Allies

@aeoe665 Жыл бұрын

@@KeyUploads Either or they’d still rather be in becoming Independent even if it means getting they’re capital nuked.

@Kartoneq Жыл бұрын

Ukraine probably would join. Belarus no

@charles_0017 Жыл бұрын

The plan actually wanted to use the remnants of the Wehrmacht to bolster his forces. But at this point 90% of the Wehrmacht's experienced troops had been killed, captured, or put out of action, so I doubt the Allies would benefit much.

@Gejowskiszpieg 9 ай бұрын

Don't forget that Slavic nations and some allied countries probably wouldn't fight along remnants of people who murdered their families and Soviet Union would win in eyes of the world because while Soviet Union wanted to wipe out N@zi murderers allies allied with them so they actually became allies of people who had blood of countless people on their hands. Don't forget that after nuking major Soviet cities like Kiev and Minsk it would result in countless deaths of civilians so US and the west would definetely be seen as the new Nazis or someone comparable to them because of them killing innocent Civilians. So yeah I think that right after the start of operation Unthinkable Soviet Union would win definetely. 🚩>>>🇺🇲

@danielvelasco4003 3 ай бұрын

What makes no sense about this plan is that if the western Allies really wanted to take down the Soviet Union, they could’ve called Hitler in 1938 and said “hey let’s invade the Soviets and defeat communism once and for all!” before Stalin had a chance to really mobilize his forces and raise the USSR to its military strength.

@tospsy Жыл бұрын

Benelux: *about to get invaded* Luxembourg: at least im safe because im staying neutral! The Western allies: *occupies Luxembourg just before the soviets reach Benelux* Luxembourg: *you little...*

@nule888 Жыл бұрын

2 the ending is definitely impossible, 1) Stalin was informed about this operation and he accumulated almost 15 million soldiers at the borders of the eastern bloc

@crock3251 10 ай бұрын

15m counting reserves and other fronts, not all on the eastern bloc, however, I agree with your initial statements.

@arcaipekyun4232 5 ай бұрын

2 is more probable than 1. Western Allies would have had total dominance in the air, which in on itself is quite a defining factor. Advancing Soviet armies would've been bombed to ash, their supply lines reduced to rubble. Their troops were also much, much better equipped, and the equipment itself was also superior (to their Soviet counterparts) Western tanks, planes, basically everything they had was better. Soviets also had many Western made equipment in their arsenal at the time, though those would run out of spare parts and maintenance would've haunted them. With Lend&Lease gone, Soviets would have had a much harder time keeping their armies effective. Stalin did NOT accumulate 15 million soldiers on the borders of the Eastern Bloc, he did not have that many. Some of their troops were also stationed on the Pacific Front at the time, due to the Japanese. Although the same also goes for the Western Allies, their logistics capabilities was way superior to the Soviets so they could much more easily bring those soldiers back to Europe.

@Mudrec2287 5 ай бұрын

@@arcaipekyun4232 Техника "превосходит" СССР у СССР было 64 000 танков тотже самы т34-85или ис намного превосходили Союзников у СССР было достаточно Авиации чтобы быть на равне с США и пво и артилерии было у СССР больше и при войне у СССР было около 2-7 милионов ветреанов войны но так восновном действуйщея армия было 6 000 000 солдат

@estradadavilafernandojavie8684 5 ай бұрын

@@Mudrec2287 The USSR manufactured about 156,000 aircraft while the USA manufactured about 324,000, the USSR had lost about 27M people and its military capacity is not as unlimited as we have been led to believe.

@DavidNaval 5 ай бұрын

@@Mudrec2287t34s we’re inferior. In Korea t34-85ms went against Sherman’s and were completely outmatched and obliterated

@MYC59 2 жыл бұрын

Ww3 in 1945=ww2 continued

@AyutaTYujin 2 жыл бұрын

I agree

@Murmanskkk 3 ай бұрын

It's just that a new faction is at war with the allies, it's the comintern

@juliangutierrez8250 2 ай бұрын

@@Murmanskkk*cominform

@obama20127 10 ай бұрын

The eastern Victory has a bigger chance of happening becouse by 1945 the soviet union had over 11 million troops on its borders and it had its industry in full swing

@samuelsstuffyt 9 ай бұрын

The Soviet Army was also completely reliant on material aid from the US, particularly for logistics. The idea of the invincible Soviet Army is pretty much the new invincible German Army myth, the Soviets would’ve collapsed in 1941 had the Western Allies not begun the Lend Lease and indeed the Soviet Union was only properly capable of pushing the Germans out of its country when the Western Allies had already landed in France. The West would’ve mopped the floor with Russia in this scenario.

@carlosmpsenyorcapitacollon6977 9 ай бұрын

@@samuelsstuffytAnd you find it funny?

@MatheusVinicius_ 9 ай бұрын

@@samuelsstuffyt that is complete nonsense. In 1941 the soviets already managed to defend Moscow and prevent it from being in the frontlines for the rest of the war. Lend-lease in 1941 was irrelevant and most of the equipment sent could easily be produced in the USSR, even though their push against Germany would be slower. Lend-lease made the war last shorter, but was not vital for soviet survival.

@samuelsstuffyt 9 ай бұрын

@@MatheusVinicius_ "Lend Lease in 1941 was irrelevant" - Yes, and also in 1941 the Soviets had lost most of the Western portion of their nation and was teetering on the brink of collapse, the fact that the Germans didn't capture Moscow had little to do with the strength of the Soviet Army and more the fact they were already vastly overstretched by that point and was in the middle of the Russian Winter. You've fell for Putin-Era Revisionist Propaganda, literally research the Lend Lease... the Soviets where wholly dependent on the West specifically in Logistics. Despite Lend Lease it still took until 1943 for the USSR to be able to go on a somewhat major offensive (Uranus) and could only succeed in Bagration with the opening of a THIRD FRONT in France by the Allies. Again, the whole idea that the USSR won WW2 by itself is completely fiction and is on the same level of idiocy required to believe as the Clean Wehrmacht Myth or the Invincible German Army Myth...

@kyleb7974 9 ай бұрын

Their front line troops were decimated. Zhukov had said to Stalin that they had run out of reserves by the time and had to take Berlin with what they had. This even seems to be in the case in non bias sources. The WW2 mapping video with army sizes video on KZfaq showcases the push to Berlin shrunk the Soviet army down from 6.7 Million men, to 5.7 Million. Part of the reason was because of logistical problems, overstretched supply lines, etc. Now imagine stretching that line from Berlin to the Rhine, with no reserves. That would’ve shrunk the Red Army down more than a million in two months time considering they aren’t fighting someone fighting three different fronts, no air force, etc. They would’ve advanced with human waves, stopped at the very best at the borders of France. Then got counter attacked and collapse.

@Badcraft716 11 ай бұрын

Those who thinks that the UK should have launched the operation after ww2, does not know the true size of the soviet army after the war. Edit:It has been a whole month and people is still fighting in my reply

@crock3251 10 ай бұрын

Exactly, simply the fact that the allies made progress in this scenario is stupid, also, I doubt that nukes would be used, as they didn't have ICBM's yet and the planes could be easily taken down by the much larger Soviet Airforce.

@user-bk6ju5sc8o 9 ай бұрын

Red Army have 8 million soldiers, allies only 5 million

@alexanderchampi7230 9 ай бұрын

@@crock3251the allies air force was very much bigger than the soviet air force

@crock3251 9 ай бұрын

@@alexanderchampi7230 The majority of the allied air force was placed in the pacific.

@alexanderchampi7230 9 ай бұрын

@@crock3251 your ignorance is very big

@schweizwastaken Жыл бұрын

I wanna point out some mistakes: Finland wouldn’t join since, it’s very unlikely they would, and I think the communists in France would as a result ride up, as well as in Greece etc. that’s all, and good video

@sebastianjoseph9628 Жыл бұрын

There were also very active and militant communist movements in Italy as well

@Leantenant 9 ай бұрын

At this period, communism was too popular and many many people around the world support it. So it's too hard calculate war if this plan was started.

@PrussianRomanianProductions79 2 жыл бұрын

I always wondered what would have been in Asia considering the Japanese Empire still didn't surrender until September 1945 and were fighting the western allies and Republic of China. Nevertheless, amazing video, possibly the best WW3 West vs USSR videomapping video I've ever seen.

@rfgballmapping3150 2 жыл бұрын

Either White peace between them and the allies or got defeated the same way as in our timeline

@Dock284 2 жыл бұрын

well USA used he nukes on the Soviets instead of on Japan so i see Japan lasting a little longer on its own but not wanting to become communist would start fighting the Soviets alongside Americans

@Dock284 2 жыл бұрын

@Solar Carott 8s wife Japan didnt want to become Communist which is why they surrendered to the Allies before the Soviets could land troops in their mainland. The nukes only speed up that process

@zuzuke.. Жыл бұрын

Japan still had a capable army with millions still alive ready for combat and with a firm anti-communist sentiment, Japan would white peace and be forced to leave their occupied territories before the war in asia and they would probably be forced to declare war on the soviets

@ChloeKruegerSenpai Жыл бұрын

@Solar Carott 8s wife It would be actually even you didn't say it, the Northern Japan in present day has Communist, but kept in hide, since Japan has become strong in economies, same for S.Korea, they didn't stick on N.Korea communist

@tommykzy7332 2 жыл бұрын

Allies has air and naval power but Soviet has land power

@eliasziad7864 Жыл бұрын

Nah air would be contested.

@ussindianapolis487 Жыл бұрын

no, allies had better infantry and tanks. the only field where soviets were better was artillery.

@Rebas198 Жыл бұрын

@@ussindianapolis487 buddy the whole 12m strong Soviet army was MUCH more experienced than the much smaller allied army.Each Soviet solider had experienced grueling battles that the allies couldn't compare to at all.The Soviets undoubtedly had better tanks and much more numerous and the Allies only had better infantry equipment

@ussindianapolis487 Жыл бұрын

@@Rebas198 they experienced very hard battles, thats a fact, but it doesnt mean they would be more effective than allies. russian infantry tactics were pretty much "run straight at the enemy, try not to die". soviet is-2 was superior to any allied tank but t-34 kinda sucked. it had strong armor, decent gun, very good mobility but it had zero situational awerness and ergonomy didnt exist. so it would be much less effective than american shermans and british churchills and comets. russian tankers had almost zero experience because soviet tanks survivability was very low.

@Rebas198 Жыл бұрын

@@ussindianapolis487 Russian tactics had changed by that point.It was like that on the outside but on the inside the Soviets conducted very carefully aggressive attacks in the late stages of the war.They had learnt well from their mistakes.Also the Western Allies simply couldn't match the Soviet War Industry.It was more efficient and effective than the British one as it endured much more.Sure the Americans and British combined would have definitely toppled the Soviet industry but America was a ocean away.There was simply put it,no way the allies could have ever won against the Soviets in 1946 when there was nothing for the allies to fall back to and wear the Soviets out

@Scenariania 2 жыл бұрын

you've been gone for a long time, and return with a spectacular well-defined alt history scenario. I liked to see there were two scenarios _to keep everyone happy_ and the frontlines/events were pretty realistic in my opinion. Great to have you back, and this was a great upheaval!

@Artsundstuff 10 ай бұрын

what i found that wasnt realistic is, east germany was the leader of warsaw pact but were taken first. noone wants the troops in the warsaw pact either so socialism would fall in warsaw pact and they join western allies

@Amun-Re 2 жыл бұрын

Eastern Victory iirc is how 1984 happned: USSR conquers Europe, British Empire and USA fuse and are taken over by INGSOC. Middle East and North Africa decolonised and become 'the Free World'.

@chustar2620 3 ай бұрын

Sorry that im replying to this like 1 year after, but in the 1984 book, via map by George orwell, some regions in Africa are still occupied by European regimes.

@Vince_ExE 2 ай бұрын

The Middle east is actually freed

@nicoislazy 2 жыл бұрын

Video was amazing and I really enjoyed it keep up the good work dude

@user-qs9iu9vw4x Жыл бұрын

Everyone gangsta until victorious USSR decides to itself into "Eurasia".

@average_commenter1 Жыл бұрын

The true backstory of 1984

@Vince_ExE 2 ай бұрын

Yes,it is

@MeathMapper 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely Incredible Work!

@outerspace7391 2 жыл бұрын

few corrections i'd make; - Operation unthinkable was to be executed when the second world war was still undone, so all the allied powers that took part in it wouldve still participated (saying this because I saw countries like Belgium, Luxembourg, Greece and Denmark being neutral) - the two Germanies shouldve been shown as occupation zones, the German governments hadnt been installed yet, same goes for Iraq and Iran, which were still under british and (for the case of Iran only) soviet military occupations. Not sure about that but even Italy could have been shown as an occupied territory, but I guess they had a government that was fighting for the allies so ill give it a pass (even tho italy started off as neutral fsr) - greece was already undergoing its civil war, basically it could have been part of this wider west versus east war scenario - spain in no way wouldve joined the western allies, most realistically they wouldve stayed neutral, same for portugal (though unlike spain, i can understand a portugal entry) - countries like bulgaria and hungary were still under soviet occupation at the time, their governments had surrendered - really not sure how the ussr won - or even survived for that matter- after having three nuclear bombs dropped at its largest cities, perhaps that should have been avoided in this althist

@SankaiPlayZ Жыл бұрын

Ussr : 12 millions of soldiers, twice as many planes, artillery and tanks

@ellisonsmith2526 Жыл бұрын

@@SankaiPlayZ allies had around 300 ~ 400 thousand planes and Soviets had around 130 thousand

@aitsuki22 Жыл бұрын

@@ellisonsmith2526 planes can't win a war alone when your enemy has twice as many tanks, artillery and soldiers as you

@mstticr Жыл бұрын

@@aitsuki22 what are you talking about? The Allies had *more* tanks, *more* planes, *more* artillery - the only thing they were outnumbered was in troops. But honestly that would amount to very little considering Soviet troops were unorganized, undersupplied, untrained and with non-existent morale and would have to spent fighting Polish - Baltic - Ukrainian - etc revolutionaries. And even if the Soviets outnumbered the Allies in everything you say, the Allies (or America rather) was still far from being fully mobilized and could’ve easily mobilized another 11+ million America troops. Operation Unthinkable would’ve absolutely been won by the Allies

@aitsuki22 Жыл бұрын

@@mstticr they didn't have more artillery nor more tanks than the USSR. Please stick to good sources instead of American propaganda.

@frenchballmapper 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing video and so good quality for a 5000 subscriber mapper, good job !

@AyutaTYujin 2 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@Gadya_petrovich 9 ай бұрын

Автор мог бы учесть , что во Франции и Италии после ВМВ победили коммунисты , лишь план маршалла исключил их из правительства. А если бы союзники напали на Союз , половина избирателей молча бы на это смотрели ? Это как минимум всеобщие забастовки а как максимум гражданские войны

@FederationMapping 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing video as always!

@jeaniusedits6094 2 жыл бұрын

When we needed the legend most, he returned.

@categories5066 10 ай бұрын

Definitely a Soviet victory if nukes were not used. Largest land army, a huge air force, battle hardened soldiers. American and British troops would be confused why they are fighting against their former ally so there could be revolts and strife in the allied armies, meanwhile the Soviets see it as an act of betrayal and would be more motivated.

@mrspirus5735 9 ай бұрын

Logistics win the wars and the allies win that part by a long shot. All of the allied countries population were larger than the soviets which meant in dire situations they could draft even more troops that the soviets had. But it is difficult to say for sure who would win. But nukes wouldn't be taken out of the scenario. Allies would nuke the soviet armies and logistics routes giving the allies a near guarenteed win.

@EternalModerate 9 ай бұрын

Nah, the numerical advantage of the soviets wasn't that great.

@waveiscursed 8 ай бұрын

True. The Soviets would see the invasion as a betrayal and fight to the death for their country, like what happened in WW2. The western allied soldiers would know it was a offensive war and be unmotivated to fight. Throughout the whole WW2 allied soldiers were constantly met with pro-soviet propaganda. They would definetly not be motivated to fight and the Russians would be. Also the Sovietd were more powerful.

@nule888 8 ай бұрын

@@mrspirus5735 только доставить это ядерное оружие было проблематично + их было мало, для понтов они изготовили 2 бомбы, а следующие 4-5 бомбы еще через 2 года будут изготовлены, и самолеты перехватить можно будет

@gbjooi7486 8 ай бұрын

More doesn't equal victory, the USSR had at minimum over 50% of its aviation fuel come from the allies. Hard to fight when your air force is dead, your army is getting bombed to shit, and your getting outproduced.

@syedlam9632 Жыл бұрын

Western allies lost because Luxembourg didn't join them

@sheepmasterrace 9 ай бұрын

wasnt the soviet army like 3 times the size of the allied army at the time? i dont think that would go very well for mr churchill

@4RST 9 ай бұрын

Logistically the Soviets wouldn't win but really depends on what happens they would might take the Benelux region and some of France but they dnt have the resources to win that war also they dnt have nukes

@restless07 9 ай бұрын

@@4RSTbro us have only 2 nukes, and Japan still not surrender, that was beaten from Asia by Soviets in August

@Josef_Stalin1878- 8 ай бұрын

@@4RST "Logistically the Soviets wouldn't win" Never eard of Aleksandr Vasilevsky invasion of machuria ?

@culterwaleddy 5 ай бұрын

Ever heard of US lend lease? The vast majority of Russian boots and trucks were American made.@@Josef_Stalin1878-

@arcaipekyun4232 5 ай бұрын

@@Josef_Stalin1878- irrelevant, that's against a beaten and dead Japanese force, with also much smaller numbers. Any attack against the Allies would not only have required the combined force of everything the Soviets could muster (requiring more supply) but the superior Allied air forces (the single strongest force at the time, no contest) would've reduced all their supply lines to rubble. Meanwhile the US was fighting on 2 fronts each on an entirely different continent from both each other and the mainland US, separated by 2 different oceans. Yet they managed it no problem, they even managed to supply the Soviet, British and Chinese armies on top of their own.

@empireoffrandymapping1397 2 жыл бұрын

The legend has returned!

@AyutaTYujin 2 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@albanianguy5586 2 жыл бұрын

You’re back finally!

@user-kc8in7ti1g 2 жыл бұрын

great video as always!

@shonewarrior2178 2 жыл бұрын

The name of the city was Kiev btw, Kyiv is the modern Ukrainian name

@SidorovichGaming Жыл бұрын

no.

@Loterrach 10 ай бұрын

Yeah, they changed it for some reason.

@aronbaron1746 10 ай бұрын

@@SidorovichGaming Deny it, but it is the truth.

@Nechay. 9 ай бұрын

Kiev is russian pronouncetio. Kyiv is ukrainian thats all that's simple.

@carlosmpsenyorcapitacollon6977 9 ай бұрын

Kyiv was already official during the USSR. Ukranian was the main official language in Ukraine.

@mauruhkatigaming4807 3 ай бұрын

One major aspect of this that can't be overlooked is organized labor among the Western Allies. Continuing the war against a country they had been told were allies for years, especially when the continent had already been ravaged since 1939, would have been a hard sell to the voters at home. And considering the Communist presence in Western labor movements at the time, these governments likely would have been met with outright hostility at home. Materiel problems would be likely for the Western Allies, and the Soviet Bloc would be able to wreak havoc with spies and infiltrators. Massive strikes and protests would be a certainty. Acts of sabotage and terrorism would be likely. We can't even necessarily rule out a country like France flipping to a revolt. As a result of this, many of the Allies would probably end up taking draconian measures on the home front, severely suppressing freedom of speech and association. The result of Unthinkable would have been ruin, chaos, and mass death. We should count our entire SPECIES lucky it didn't happen.

@randomuser3481 5 ай бұрын

Pretty sure the entire reason Operation Unthinkable was not done is because the Americans knew the Soviets would win

@HTV315 5 ай бұрын

Soviets would lose 8 million a day and keep pushing INSANITY

@WeatherCat_the_meow_meow 4 ай бұрын

Bro by 1946 we would’ve been halfway through Poland

@HeichE944 4 ай бұрын

The soviets would have been driven out of Europe by the end of 1947.

@VodkaPandas 4 ай бұрын

Soviet and Japan would teamup against ally if the UK launch that stupid plan, the UK was always the snakes.

@dolfus6062 4 ай бұрын

allied economies was horrible, they was not even able to upkeep occupations in germany for long time, like this scenerio is horribly right, as after the war they immadietly demobilized for avoiding total collapse of their economies. Soviets would immadietly flatten germany as occupying forces was nothing, france cant resist much as their infastructure/industry was non-existant, maybe italy can resist cause of alpines but allies would have gone for peace by now after fall of france.

@wilhelmjtard Жыл бұрын

I like how you included an Eastern and Western Victory.

@cythonian2 11 ай бұрын

"Soldier, I know we fought for six years and lost countless lives including your best friend but were about to invade the Russians"

@4RST 9 ай бұрын

Sometimes bad things gotta happen for good things to happen

@belkYT 7 ай бұрын

@@4RSTyour utopia is my dystopia

@MegrelMamba 6 ай бұрын

@@belkYTYour utopia killed 100 million

@FodaseNaoLigo 4 ай бұрын

@@4RSTstupid

@TanzaniaCountryball 2 жыл бұрын

Ayy! You're back!

@Arseniy_Logachev 11 ай бұрын

Why does the author consider wartime measures by the USSR (which did absolutely all the warring countries) as war crimes, but not the atomic bombing of cities?

@nievescaballero2792 11 ай бұрын

Beca use comiese are monsters

@Arseniy_Logachev 10 ай бұрын

@@nievescaballero2792 based

@fecalstorm 4 ай бұрын

Cuz its allied anti-soviet biased video

@lcelandicPenguins 4 ай бұрын

Nukes were not that advanced in 1945, they were pretty much just invented, and probably took like just 30% of Kiev and Minsk

@Name-xs2is 3 ай бұрын

@@fecalstorm антисоветское = предвзятое😄 ясно

@PlaysRoblox36 11 ай бұрын

Luxembourg was the largest contributor in this war fr

@KingMinos316 3 ай бұрын

Belgium not even worth mentioning...

@tonywagner1626 Жыл бұрын

The Allies: *well that was a miscalculation*

@ChristianSannino1904 Жыл бұрын

Great video!

@Moskovskiy_YouTuber Жыл бұрын

This is one of the best mapping ever! For sure!

@roguemegabyte58674 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing comeback 👍

@rfgballmapping3150 2 жыл бұрын

Suggestions for next videos: what if Central Powers won WW1(not kaiserreich just your version of it) and more about the fronts of what if axis won ww2

@brandonbuca 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid!

@oneofthebestmobilemappers 2 жыл бұрын

A lenda está de voltá Você me fez um mapeador do tutorial e agora estou feliz em vê-lo voltar!

@DA_Doog Жыл бұрын

Hello thought u weren’t here

@oneofthebestmobilemappers Жыл бұрын

@@DA_Doog hi

@DA_Doog Жыл бұрын

Hello

@oneofthebestmobilemappers Жыл бұрын

@@DA_Doog how are you?

@DA_Doog Жыл бұрын

Nice

@TheRealSteelAlex 5 ай бұрын

Of course the ad I get after the Soviet victory is an ad for Adventure Communist..

@AyutaTYujin 2 жыл бұрын

I love you! :) thanks new video

@Dylanowich 2 ай бұрын

no matter what, france never fails to get invaded by going around their defenses

@realaurorien 8 ай бұрын

In the western victory scenario there are a few errors, Ukraine wouldnt have Crimea, it only gained it in the 50s. The polish border would probably be reverted back to the one we had in 1939, because East Prussia only became Polish due to Soviet forced migrations of Germans Ukraine would probably not have Transcarpathia either, or western odessa, which was Romanian back then.

@jackfifa0718 2 жыл бұрын

do a scenario of ww1/2 or 21st century if napoleon won the Napoleonic wars

@AyutaTYujin 2 жыл бұрын

You are the My 2nd favorite KZfaqr! 1st is Zvallid.

@centralmapping6566 2 жыл бұрын

He is back bois!

@HueBrazilianMapper 2 жыл бұрын

A LENDA ESTÁ DE VOLTA FML

@ruka3219 2 жыл бұрын

In english pls

@ThatPenGal Жыл бұрын

@@ruka3219 he doesn't understand english man

@tdanigamer1119 2 жыл бұрын

YES YOU'RE FINALLY BACK good video btw

@NeoWish Жыл бұрын

It's interesting that your showing major retreats and I love it.

@kamiljacobus5110 5 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure the soviets and its allies would win against the combined strength of the western allies itself, The soviets could at least bolster a massive force before the US could even pull its troops from the pacific.

@VodkaPandas 4 ай бұрын

And the possibilty of Soviet Japan coalition too.

@DavidNaval 2 ай бұрын

The scenario starts in 1946 so the Americans would get all their military assets into Europe

@DavidNaval 2 ай бұрын

@@VodkaPandasthe Japanese hated the Soviets, they invaded Manchuria and committed atrocities there

@VodkaPandas 2 ай бұрын

@@DavidNaval Churchill's Operation Unthinkable plan to attack the Soviet Union was scheduled for 1 July 1945, just after defeat of Germany.

@VodkaPandas 2 ай бұрын

@@DavidNaval At that time Soveit Union was not yet invaded Manchuria, and still on non aggression pact.

@dartboy8887 Жыл бұрын

I still think the soviet victory would be more realistic cause of the number advantage and the soviets drive to wage a war to survive

@DavidNaval 5 ай бұрын

The allies could have drafted more men especially because the soviet manpower pool was mostly depleted and were already employed within the military. The allies also had the air naval and technological advantage as well as logistics and economics (the ussr was also very reliant on American supplies which would dry up once the us stopped supplying the Soviets

@Dutchesthecat Жыл бұрын

You should have showed how many losses each side had. Great video!

@DavidNaval 5 ай бұрын

Infinite Soviet losses

@Hating_YT_alliances_is_based Жыл бұрын

there seems to be one song that isn't in the description....

@communistmapper4859 2 жыл бұрын

Great scenario! I was wondering where were you, and i realised how much did this took you time!

@nusantaramapper7580 2 жыл бұрын

Im not sure if allied planes can go as far to moscow, the more realistic one is leningrad

@CaptainZhu602 Жыл бұрын

Moscow nuked I will never appear in the world💀

@arfthegamer5521 2 жыл бұрын

He’s back

@amedeetsota420 10 ай бұрын

Good job!

@089roblox1 Жыл бұрын

What's the name of the song that plays from 0:48 to 3:24?

@Moskovskiy_YouTuber Жыл бұрын

the Sacred war epic remix

@089roblox1 Жыл бұрын

@@Moskovskiy_KZfaqr ty

@Moskovskiy_YouTuber 2 жыл бұрын

I think the first scenario is more realistic (no, it's not because I'm Russian, it's just that the Soviets had more army, morale and experience)

@souxle- Жыл бұрын

lol first scenario would never happened

@Moskovskiy_YouTuber Жыл бұрын

@@souxle- Now - yes :)

@Moskovskiy_YouTuber Жыл бұрын

@@souxle- no, in that scenario Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Albania and East Germany side with USSR Now, with Russia only Belarus, Serbia and Syria + 5/15 republics of USSR (Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Moldova) are NATO allies) So, pls don't belive US' news, that's propaganda, and Russian news is propaganda too. Stay neutral

@joekaputt4415 Жыл бұрын

They were not only Americans and British, they also planned to free German POW in exchange for joining the war against the USSR.

@joekaputt4415 Жыл бұрын

@@Moskovskiy_KZfaqr Russia could not even take kyiv LMAO

@Bocchithestone421 11 ай бұрын

Those Battlefield 1 ending game sound was really me feel comfortable

@Water90435 Ай бұрын

How would the nukes even get to any Soviet city. This is the 1940s and unlike the Japanese, the soviets acutally had an airforce lmao

@syedlam9632 Жыл бұрын

Video Idea: what if steiner attack happened?

@AyushRaj-cb6ny 10 ай бұрын

I don't think that Finland would ever get St. Petersburg even in such scenario

@MegrelMamba 6 ай бұрын

It was Uralic land until Russians conquered it.

@FodaseNaoLigo 4 ай бұрын

@@MegrelMambafalse

@MegrelMamba 4 ай бұрын

@@FodaseNaoLigo Grug mogs you.

@popking1 6 ай бұрын

Imagine just finishing a world war then one year later ww3 starts☠️💀

@Sovietyk_stephan 2 ай бұрын

Bro it is definitly a crooked timeline: finland and austri were neitral, spain too, ukranian and belarussian were never support american after beiing nuked

@diviar0628 9 ай бұрын

4:08 Then NATO unified into 1 Nation, and after a civil war with INGSOC it became Oceania, while the Warsaw pact became Eurasia The beginning of 1984

@sansundertale5274 Жыл бұрын

Swiss: Why's everybody fighting?

@ourserieswillneverdie 5 ай бұрын

This is probably Lead to the 1984 novel

@CobetMargatroid Жыл бұрын

very good video......

@slugyx 11 ай бұрын

3th Alternative scenario would have been, that the war would have ended in a stalemate, for example, the frontline would have been, that the part once beeing part of the German Empire(2th Reich), to the eastern front of today Czech Republic, Hungary and Croatia. Both Sides would have made a peace treaty (name example: Treaty of Zagreb) and we would have just like in our timeline a cold war between the USA and the Soviet Union(USSR). The frontline in the Caucasus region didn't really change so it will remain just like before the war. Maybe NATO and the Warsaw Pact would exist in this scenario in a bit of a different form. Also there could have been war, with the Republic of China, Japan and the occupied South Korean territory and they would have also made a fight against Communist China and against the Soviet union, which would also have had ended in a stalemate, by Manchuria and Communist China beeing captured and defeated and the frontline just a few kilometers before Vladivostok.

@ryangosling239 9 ай бұрын

Japan's army was shit in 1945

@oZqdiac 5 ай бұрын

3rd* 2nd*

@baconhairbacana1964 Жыл бұрын

*Japan: What's happening? Did i miss something?*

@Simpleguyinyoutube 9 ай бұрын

*Dmitry Yazov has joined the call*

@gorszoscjokera 3 ай бұрын

Operation Unthinkable was created, not to destroy all USRR and capture Moscow, but to liberate Poland and the Czechs. Full West victory and the ultimate collapse of USSR (Hitler try to do this, and we all know how it ended) was impasible. I know that this is only funny YT video, and Im too seriulsy, but this is too imposible scenario. But video has very high quality and i like this. Have nice day

@belkYT 2 жыл бұрын

The agreement of splitting up europe wasnt even made by then. It was simply May 8th 1945 borders with the remaining german territory being divided into 2. The red army was, in my opinion, the strongest in 1945. At least land-wise. The USA, though, had a stronger air force and navy. Though a navy wouldn’t really matter as the USSR’s coastline is 99% frozen. They wiped out japan, conquering all of manchuria within two weeks and pushed down Korea, taking down almost a million japanese. Had this happened, im pretty sure the soviets would have some sort of victory as a stalemate even if they didnt get anything since they were the one defending. I mean, the west was already fighting the Japanese. And, the soviet union would not attack japan had the west attacked. The west would be fighting with two powerful countries. Also, many western soldiers were friends with the soviets so i think they will not fight the soviets or have low morale, as they would protest about having a third world war. They were already sick and tired of WW2. They would have been so relieved that the germans surrendered and the japanese were going to be defeated soon, but, when they hear that THEIR LEADERS ATTACKED the soviet union, they would be filled with rage, considering THEY were the aggressors. Many people in the UK and America, who had a good image of the USSR after the USA and USSR were great allies, would also be outraged and protest. Ultimately, i see this war ending in a stalemate with the soviet union securing eastern europe, and the west still being in france, after suing for peace. But, im pretty sure the soviet union will never help the west by attacking japan in this timeline, so they would maybe have to actually land in japanese mainland.

@Emily-5124 Жыл бұрын

Ultimately, i see this comment as tankie wet dream

@belkYT Жыл бұрын

@@Emily-5124 you will never be with the girl in your pfp

@Emily-5124 Жыл бұрын

@@belkYT that's me, it's up to you to believe or not

@ElselchoGaming Жыл бұрын

@@Emily-5124 Would

@crock3251 10 ай бұрын

@@Emily-5124 No? This is perfectly realistic, you are simply retarded.

@HankBlox1337 8 ай бұрын

In soviet times Niznyi Novgorod is called Gorkyi'

@napur_mapper 2 жыл бұрын

YOU ARE ALIVE😳

@shootingmeteor3668 3 ай бұрын

What if the U.S. created a second front in the east from occupied Japan?

@notd0ingit139 2 жыл бұрын

Tbh in Soviet era nizhny novgorod was a gorky in old name and it changed to nizhny novgorod once Russia federation is formed

@kaissersreich 2 жыл бұрын

Russia got nuked 3 times and still managed to win, respecc

@mamacojackson9019 8 ай бұрын

Imaginação

@FodaseNaoLigo 4 ай бұрын

Chorar@@mamacojackson9019

@deinemudda1049 4 ай бұрын

All those SS/Wehrmacht units when they arrive in Stalin/Leningrad the second time: so this is what the power of friendship gets us

@messithegoat4030 2 жыл бұрын

Yay he uploaded

@user-oy9ls8om6m 8 ай бұрын

Words by Vasily Lebedev-Kumach Music by Alexander Alexandrov Get up, huge country, Stand up for mortal combat With fascist dark power, With the damned horde! May the rage be noble Boils like a wave! There is a people's war going on, Holy war! Like two different poles We are hostile in everything. we fight for light and peace, They are for the kingdom of darkness. Let's fight back the stranglers All fiery ideas, Rapists, robbers, Tormentors of people! Black wings dare not Fly over the Motherland, Its fields are spacious The enemy does not dare to trample! Rotten fascist evil spirits Let's drive a bullet into the forehead, The scum of humanity Let's put together a strong coffin! Let's go break with all our might, With all my heart, with all my soul For our dear land, For our great Union! A huge country is rising, Stands up for mortal combat With fascist dark power, With the damned horde!

@EikoNakaoka 9 ай бұрын

Soviet turned into Axis powers or Warsaw pact and Allies defeated communist but i think it was literrally if Allies helped N4z*s to invade USSR

@Luis_.- 2 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@AyutaTYujin 2 жыл бұрын

I uploaded a new map video about Operation Downfall, an allied invasion of Japan. I do not paste a link, as KZfaq probably consider my post as a spam.

@khankrum7489 Жыл бұрын

The first scenario is literally 1984 at the beginning with only difference that in 1945 the Soviets did not posses the capability to strike back against western Allies nukes.

@user-rd8rv6nb7f 11 ай бұрын

Right ! Soviet army in 1980's was an absolute terror we should have invaded Western Europe in 1982 ))

@FodaseNaoLigo 4 ай бұрын

Yes they can, nukes isn't that scary

@pr1xmapper919 2 жыл бұрын

Nice scenario bro, but what is the name of the music at 0:48?

@user-px6on5dl5y 2 жыл бұрын

Вставай, страна огромная Write like this in Russian.

@Moskovskiy_YouTuber Жыл бұрын

The sacred war (epic ver)

@pr1xmapper919 Жыл бұрын

thanks guys

@DubABattery 7 ай бұрын

Honestly. Given its Western Aggression, id put the Eastern Bloc in Blue and West in Red. Kinda gives a different perspective y'know?

@ferreoliusalexios6014 2 жыл бұрын

what is the music name for the soviet scenario?

@Disorder2312 Жыл бұрын

Sacred War

@5uez737 2 жыл бұрын

The Western Victory was the most definite real scenario. The Soviets were exhausted. Their manpower depleted. The Allies would most definitely control the skies. No matter how many troops you have, planes would destroy all of them including the strongest of tanks. Their is also discontent in Europe with the entire east not wanting to be part of the "Soviet Empire" They didn't have nukes, their technology was almost completely inferior to the mechanized Allies. The Soviets could only push so far but the planes would completely dominate once they get up and running. Their is also the massive US industrial output that could indefinitely feed the war effort. The Soviets will get their equipment destroyed while being transported. The Allied bombers will completely eliminate the soviet means of producing things. If you are wondering about the reach of the Allied planes, they can take of from Finland, Norway, Germany, and Austria. Also Ur Back!

@ak-77 2 жыл бұрын

lmao that is completely wrong, by your logic germany should have easily won ww2, soviet troops DRASTICALLY outnumbered the westerners, no matter the technology, they wouldnt be able to handle it, plus soviets had much more tanks and vehicles by that point plus the westerners were also destroyed and overly exhausted

@francocanales1052 2 жыл бұрын

No, in 1945 the allies had 2 ventages industry (Only the US) and Airforce but the soviets did have Manpower reserves and a more moralized and trained army than the allies, which Will result in not a total soviet victory but in a soviet control of most western european countrys

@5uez737 2 жыл бұрын

@@francocanales1052 You forget 20 million soviets died, supply lines were thinning the airforce of the allies wouldve stopped any soviet advance compared to the soviets old bi-planes and the soviets were exhausted from pushing from moscow to berlin

@francocanales1052 2 жыл бұрын

@@5uez737 Even with the loses the soviets still got a Lot of reserves (not all of the ww2 casualties were from army Manpower or recruitable people)

@francocanales1052 2 жыл бұрын

@@5uez737 And the allies were tired too from d Landing and then liberating the west

@dragongaming6967 Жыл бұрын

I dont think Yugoslavia would join the soviets side since Tito did not like the communism that Stalin liked, he also alligned with the west and had democratic and capitalistic features in his nation

@Juan-qu4oj Жыл бұрын

The Yugoslav-Soviet Split handy happened yet

@user-om2tg1tp2t 9 ай бұрын

Советско-Югославский Раскол случился позже.

@EniGmav34 5 ай бұрын

Even tho the soviet has initial superiority they had no more reserves in 1945. They couldnt suffer any more casualties.

@beatboxbuggi6884 4 ай бұрын

Literally the war in Japan isn’t even over, they don’t bother focusing on rebuilding cities or replenishing stockpiles before just launching another brawl between super powers. The war would have moved very slowly as both sides were so low on supplies in 1945

@andrewmckenzie292 4 ай бұрын

US was probably not lacking in supplies/production capacity...maintaining morale would have been the big issue. Soviet Army was the most battle hardened of them all...whatever capacity US had in the air, you still ultimately need to cover the ground to actually take cities etc. western fatalities would have risen massively the deeper into Soviet occupied territory they got.

@Murmanskkk 3 ай бұрын

The british people were already exhausted since about 25m were in the war effort.@@andrewmckenzie292