WORLDS BEYOND TIME: New 1970s Science Fiction Art Book Reviewed

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11 ай бұрын

Steve leafs through the brand new book by Adam Rowe and while he finds some of the terminology employed wanting, he does enjoy the pictures...but hang on, lots of this material is from other decades...#bookcollecting #sciencefiction #booktube #bookrecommendations #fantasybooks
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@stuarttaylor1679
@stuarttaylor1679 11 ай бұрын
I've wanted to ask someone this question for a while -- I collected many paperbacks published as SF Masterworks by Gollancz around the turn of the century. They were terrific mass published titles; came with numbers on the spine to inspire collectors to be completists. The cover art was one of the reasons these paperbacks were so desirable. The art was breathtaking being illustrated by people like Boris Vallejo, Chris Moore and Jim Burns... but sometime later (maybe 8 to 10 years later) Gollanz made the terrible, terrible mistake to print the covers in mono and two tone! The covers were still the same illustrations but rather than be giddy, wild dreamscapes into future/alternative worlds they become second rate wallpaper... These boring covers are still being sold now as part of the SF Masterworks range... Any idea why a publishing house would do something so regressive? It's like a type of artistic vandalism to reduce the Chris Moore's cover to Bester's The Stars My Destination ( showing Gully Foyle with tiger stripe tattoos) into a flat monochromatic nothingness... Why? I stopped buying them because of this idiotic move.
@salty-walt
@salty-walt 11 ай бұрын
Don't get me started about Gollancz . I'll get banned
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
The yellow livery is a reference to their old yellowjacket hardcovers,. which dominated British Sf hardcover publishing from 1962 to the early 90s (yellow was their house colour and it was applied to thier non-SF output too). The simple answer is that yellow spines stand out more on bookshelves and distinguish the Masterworks as a series from everything else on the market and the black spines used to get a bit lost. Other than that, I completely agree when it comes to the aesthetics of individual books in themselves. It's clearly a merchandising influenced decision, but a poor artistic one.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
Love the Gollancz of the past, loathe the Gollancz of today, I'd say. Good to hear from you!
@RobotMaria
@RobotMaria 10 ай бұрын
I've asked the same question. Why on Earth would they do it like that!? (The yellow spine I get, but not the color mixing of the already existing art.)
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 10 ай бұрын
@@RobotMaria It's almost certainly (1) a costs things (2) the need for the people working in the art department to re-justify their jobs by coming up with something 'new'. Notice how record labels don't change the sleeves of albums over time, but let the iconography speak for itself? Books, of course, for some reason, have to be kept 'up to date'. Absurd, right?
@mattbaldwin1150
@mattbaldwin1150 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting, you’ve saved me some money. I’m a graphic designer and this book unfortunately hasn’t been designed well. My jaw dropped a few times with some of the page layouts, especially on pages with 2-3 pieces of art. Whoever laid out these pages didn’t use a grid system which is quite tragic given the content. Also I’d be very bothered by such an art book containing elements that don’t reflect the title.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 10 ай бұрын
Yes, it's a bad job- shocking really, as Abrams used to be first rate. I am thinking of writing to them about how poor it is.
@koolaidimmunity4032
@koolaidimmunity4032 11 ай бұрын
So much information packed into a single book review. In this case you’ve saved me a purchase, although I did pick up The Magus based on your interview with Christopher Priest. Great video Outlaw!
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the super-thanks, mucho appreciato! Let me know how you get on with 'The Magus'!
@unstopitable
@unstopitable 11 ай бұрын
Thanks; I found this quite enjoyable, both the tour and the commentary. I actually find the 70s' artwork more imaginative.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
EVERYTHING was more imaginative in the 1970s. The new freedoms of the 1950s and 1960s flowered fully then in culture and tech had caught up, but not so much that it became entirely digital and soulless. It was the last gasp of Modernism, the apotheosis of innovative culture for the masses.
@unstopitable
@unstopitable 11 ай бұрын
@@outlawbookselleroriginal I very much agree. It's been my experience that limitations/constraints within a medium force the unconscious to produce deeper material. This is one of the things that annoys me about "AI art"--all it's doing is mixing and mashing what others have mined from the unconscious. True, it can produce startling images, interesting combinations, but as already can be seen, the results become muddy over time. A human being with an imagination is still needed. In the 3-D art community (I hate that word), it's being used to speed up concept art, and it is a tremendous time saver (on a compositional level, at least). However, again, sameness seeps in, and gradually takes over. My next novel actually deals with this; but in the background. I hate to say it, but I think the apocalypse of imagination is upon us. We're entering an age of pretenders now, all drawing upon the same stale knowledge base. It's bleak. The late 70s were perhaps the last great period of creativity.
@JackMyersPhotography
@JackMyersPhotography 11 ай бұрын
Love that Angus McKie end paper at the start. The book reminds me of “Space Wars, Worlds and Weapons.” I recall that that art book generated an enormous interest in finding the works referenced within it and helped to kickstart my love of science fiction reading, and art. I think in that sense this modern take on the same thing could help generate more readers.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
Yes, we were all sucked in by visuals first- good to hear from you, Jack, as ever!
@shanepowers7566
@shanepowers7566 5 ай бұрын
I grew up in the ‘70s lookin’ at Heavy Metal magazine. And,,, Chris Bishop/Ian Drury books.
@sylvanyoung
@sylvanyoung 11 ай бұрын
Posting early, befor others "articulate much better"😊 .And give me "a nuff said " moment . Not a bad book . Some i have seen befor. Those were the days i dared to judge a book by its cover . Even the covers with the space man with the ray gun saving some less clad damsel , seldom found inside.😂😂 .Eerie and Creepy covers ?. Good call on the Wells . Verne is another who have suffered at the hands of bad , abridged translation .
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
You said it, Sylvan!
@richardjones7984
@richardjones7984 8 ай бұрын
I bought the book and I'm delighted with it. I have hundreds of books but this is now my favourite. The pictures are awesome and bring back the memories of my youth. The book explains the history of the art form very well and includes personal contributions from the artists themselves. It is great to see the same sci-fi subject being covered in different ways by different artists for the same book as the art form developed. There is a sci-fi channel which broadcasts SF to the world and they must be professionals. Yes? So if you love sci-fi then buy this book.
@anthonyparkinson4517
@anthonyparkinson4517 11 ай бұрын
Taschen would've done a better/bigger job of this. I'd die a happy man if Benedikt got around to a massive monograph on Richard Powers. The decades old Dragons Dream volume is nice but slight for such a prolific, prodigiously talented artist. If Frazetta can have a monster tome dedicated to him, why not RMP?
@kid5Media
@kid5Media 11 ай бұрын
I read a review of this book just yesterday and not one mention of Richard Powers in the review. Astounding.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
Yes, it would be nice if Taschen got into this a bit more. Since the demise of Paper Tiger/Dragon's Dream a long time back we've been a bit starved...
@tlash544
@tlash544 11 ай бұрын
Guilty as charged concerning vintage paperbacks. Can never resist a good Richard Powers cover. I think you summed up the problem I had with the book perfectly when you pointed out the author was more interested in the art than the science fiction. There is no real insight into the relationship between the art and the text of the books they were illustrating, which is a real missed opportunity. I also found myself slightly frustrated that there were not more examples of the covers themselves. Perhaps a hangover from Paperbacks From Hell, but it does illustrate the focus of the book. A bit of a disappointment. Still, the art is beautiful and the information on the individual artists is valuable. Excellent video as always.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
Thanks. Yes, a disappointing tome!
@57hound
@57hound 9 ай бұрын
Yes-Richard Powers!
@severian1916
@severian1916 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for covering this. A very nice critical overview. Got much of the cover art. Tend to agree with you on monographs vs overview. Nevertheless it looks interesting.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
It has its merits, yeah, but I don't think it's front rank sadly.
@georgejones7732
@georgejones7732 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the flip through. Very informative.
@toshiojohnston3732
@toshiojohnston3732 7 ай бұрын
Excellent × 10 this book is this and that good loved it just love old school sci fi( 60s,70s,80s,90s) plus some 50s,40s art is very good dont like A.I not because its too fake but because its too perfect.
@comicbookcrazy
@comicbookcrazy 11 ай бұрын
It’s an interesting looking book but it’s probably something that I would browse through in the bookstore but not buy. Also, if I’m buying an art book I want a lot of full page pictures. If I buy a book showcasing book covers I want the pictures to be, at least, the size of the paperback, not smaller. I love 70’s SF covers but this book doesn’t do anything for me but it’s always a pleasure to listen to Steve talk about anything.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
Yes, although I enjoyed re-watching this video on my plasma, I remain underwhelmed by the book apart from a few full and double page spreads. Abrams really did drop the ball on this.
@chocolatemonk
@chocolatemonk 10 ай бұрын
9 times out of 10 I buy a book first for content then second for the best cover. The one time of the ten I will bypass content if I fall in love with the right cover
@MakeMeAmerican1812
@MakeMeAmerican1812 11 ай бұрын
Interesting your comment about Jim Burns. I met him at Worldcon 2014 in London. What a guy he is. However I didn't realise his work goes as far back as the 70s?
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
Yes, I think Jim's first SF sale was around 72, can;t think what it was now, by he's been around longer than you think And yep, he's a nice guy in person, have bought stuff from him at cons.
@waltera13
@waltera13 11 ай бұрын
It looks like an early drop for the Christmas market, most likely aimed at youth. It's got a very similar lackluster layout and selection to a book that was issued by the SFBC. Something fun for under the Christmas tree, or perhaps a late-year birthday. A starting point to train an eye to discern by element. It looks like "Lost Transmissions" might be the better 'book shaped object'.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
Yes- I did expect more from Abrams, who are- or at least were- always exceptional at illustrated books.
@waltera13
@waltera13 11 ай бұрын
All "Table-Book" no "Coffee." @@outlawbookselleroriginal
@rickkearn7100
@rickkearn7100 11 ай бұрын
Although he didn't do SF book covers (to my knowledge), my SF/space fav artist of all time is Chesley Bonestell. Much like Harryhausen is my fav stop-motion animator of all time. They just don't make 'em like that anymore. Not to say subsequent or more modern artists aren't extremely talented, they are, it's just that modern video/CG art is computer assisted as opposed to analog/organic/by-hand. It's a personal taste of course, as I prefer to play acoustic musical instruments as opposed to analog/digital electronic instruments even though I have used synthesizers both analog and digital in performance situations for decades. I simply prefer hands-on when it comes to SF art instead of CGI or electronic mediums. Traditional art in this genre seems more human to me. As always OB, another great topic here on the Outlaw Bookseller. Is there no end to the breadth and width of your knowledge? Crikey. Cheers, old chap!
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
I think music REALLY lost something when acoustic instruments suddenly disappeared in the early 80s- but then of course the people who were best at using electronics had long incorporated them with traditional rock and acoustic instruments. Tone colours narrowed, became purer and by the end of he 1980s....boring. Overall, I agree with your summation. Real human input that is noticeable because of quirks and flaws is best...it results in style, something no AI will ever have. That's why I always worked with analogue synths- they developed quirks if left unserviced, as Eno said. Thanks as ever, Rick.
@rickkearn7100
@rickkearn7100 11 ай бұрын
True that, sir. BTW, did you know ENO co-wrote the exit (the "outro") theme for the original Dune movie in 1984? @@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
@@rickkearn7100 Yes, it's been in the collection for a long time- the "Prophecy Theme". I was a huge Eno fan until the mid 90s, when I think he lost his edge.
@Miners666
@Miners666 3 ай бұрын
Somewhat on the fence about this book, seems a bit jumbled together. I’m wondering if “Tomorrow and Beyond” by Ian Summers is a better collection of work? The John Harris art book is on my list too.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 3 ай бұрын
Well, as I pointed out, a lot of it is not from the 1970s. My personal feeling is that it was thrown together.
@themojocorpse1290
@themojocorpse1290 11 ай бұрын
Some lovely artwork there, but you shouldn’t judge a book by its cover they say . The new John Wyndham covers are awful but the books are fantastic case and point I think . Enjoyed the interview on Jon’s channel sci fi scavenger good fun most entertaining 👍🏻
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
Glad you've taken a look at Jon's channel, he's a great guy. Hopefully one day he and I will do an in person meet/video.
@themojocorpse1290
@themojocorpse1290 11 ай бұрын
@@outlawbookselleroriginal yes like his channel been watching it since he started up good stuff getting quiet nice collection going.
@leakybootpress9699
@leakybootpress9699 11 ай бұрын
Hmm! I don't think I'll bother to buy it. On the basis of your flick-through, it strikes me as an ad-hoc assemblage of whatever the author had to hand, rather than a well researched and serious attempt to cover the 1970s as a decade. Like you, I prefer single artist monographs, and I have many of those. Two more general books on SF art I can recommend are Brian Aldiss' "Science Fiction Art', a book of massive proportions published by New English Library, and 'Art of the Imagination' by Frank M. Robinson and a couple of others who really know their stuff. The Aldiss is great fun and makes no attempt to be comprehensive, the Robinson is quite simply stunning in its breadth.
@brettrobson5739
@brettrobson5739 11 ай бұрын
A lot of nice Foss & Frazetta but essentially pointless. Art books that aren't one artist need to have a theme or at least a consistent time frame. At least there wasn't much if any Freas.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@d_risa4673
@d_risa4673 5 ай бұрын
El libro puede estar muy bien el problema es la maquetacion
@androod6211
@androod6211 11 ай бұрын
This has been on my wish list for months and I'm pretty disappointed with the content and format. I'm a year younger than you, so the 70s was my formative period too and it's easy for the likes of us to see where the book falls short in the content arena, but for a publisher not to give a full page to each worthy piece is criminal. It's a 'miss' for me. 'The Art of Classic Sci-Fi Movies: An Illustrated History' is published in a couple of months - I hope it'll be better than this.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal 11 ай бұрын
Yes, it's not what it could have been- Abrams are usually much better.
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