The new Ireland: new moral state?

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7 жыл бұрын

Ireland voted by an overwhelming majority to legalise same-sex marriage, becoming the first country in the world to do so by popular vote. This decision, hailed as a social revolution, marks an important diminution of the authority of the Catholic Church over private morality. Arguably, it makes the Ireland of 2016 unrecognisable as the country disparaged in living memory as an arch-conservative ‘priest-ridden bog’. An alternative view suggests that the reality is rather different, and that Ireland is replacing one kind of conservatism with another, with disdain for the church and religion threatening to silence those who are slow to embrace change. Is Ireland becoming the tyranny of a liberal, cultural elite?
The speakers in this engaging debate filmed at the Battle of Ideas are: Angela Nagle, cultural critic, co-editor, Ireland Under Austerity; Cliodhna Ni Ghadhra, paralegal, Arthur Cox; Jon O'Brien, president, Catholics for Choice; John Waters, Irish newspaper columnist, author, Jiving at the Crossroads and Was It For This? Why Ireland Lost the Plot. The chair is Rossa Minogue, online media producer, Institute of Ideas.
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@lizleary101
@lizleary101 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks John Waters for being a grown-up.
@grlfcgombeenhunter2897
@grlfcgombeenhunter2897 3 жыл бұрын
@Hello Again troll
@Finnbar01
@Finnbar01 7 жыл бұрын
I tell you something about John Waters, he's not afraid to speak his mind.
@conchita1257
@conchita1257 7 жыл бұрын
And he thinks clearly. Thank God for him. More needed inIreland.
@paulg451
@paulg451 6 жыл бұрын
We all have a responsibility to speak our minds. He's an example for people whether you agree with him or not
@GregDeman
@GregDeman 5 жыл бұрын
Barry Kelly "the far right Catholic prick" - he clearly has a greater mind than you as you're just regurgitating whatever mindless crap you've been taught to think. Have you ever actually had an original thought?
@stellaormes1844
@stellaormes1844 4 жыл бұрын
He'snot afraid to speak his mind but is very quick to sue anyone who dares question his character and opinions.
@pimtool9351
@pimtool9351 4 жыл бұрын
Hes a saint...
@ProudLad87
@ProudLad87 7 жыл бұрын
I'm neither a Westerner nor a Catholic but it saddens me to see such a country changed like this in such a short time. It really scares me.
@ludothehammer
@ludothehammer 4 жыл бұрын
@Barry Kelly Only one stupid fuck on here that I can see
@cathalbutler
@cathalbutler 2 жыл бұрын
@@ludothehammer Are we looking in the mirror again Brian?
@cathalhendron3941
@cathalhendron3941 7 жыл бұрын
the title should be John waters vs 3 people with almost identical beliefs
@cathalhendron3941
@cathalhendron3941 3 жыл бұрын
@Hello Again lmao cringe
@cathalhendron3941
@cathalhendron3941 3 жыл бұрын
@Oliver O'Brien are you a fucking idiot? lmao 😂
@danhealy3261
@danhealy3261 Ай бұрын
So true
@jpohare644
@jpohare644 4 жыл бұрын
I can understand John Waters as a good father who had to fight for his own kids
@haveanicedayhaveaniceday830
@haveanicedayhaveaniceday830 6 жыл бұрын
The laws of GOD are the laws, of GOD.
@paulcolin9071
@paulcolin9071 2 жыл бұрын
John Waters is a man of integrity rare nowadays
@pimtool9351
@pimtool9351 4 жыл бұрын
These foolish children. What kind of game is this. Pure evil.
@brendanbutler1238
@brendanbutler1238 6 жыл бұрын
Secularism is not neutrality, it is the imposition of nihilism, which always favours the strong over the weak. There is no such thing as neutrality, it is just a case of which beliefs you will privilege. Catholicism is the only totally rational, just, belief system there is. Nihilism (atheisim, secularism) makes human rights arbitrary. It makes selfish desire the ultimate deciding factor (abortion) and so, society necessarily takes a nose dive as has been seen in every attempt to create a Godless society.
@martinkingston1498
@martinkingston1498 6 жыл бұрын
There is an incredibly powerful push at the moment to drive Christianity completely out of every part of Irish society, and all in the name of "tolerance" of course. Over the lifetime of this ruthless Fine Gael govt we have not only seen an assault on marriage, but also on parental rights, on the right to attend a school with a faith based ethos in accordance with ones religious beliefs, and of course the all out attack on the 8th amendment. If the referendum leads to its removal, exclusive competence in this matter will be transferred to the Dail which will allow future legislators to effectively bypass the population and introduce as liberal an abortion regime as they see fit, in spite of all the talk of letting people have their say. The Oireachtas Committee on the 8th was also a complete set up, with members of a pro life persuasion being completely outnumbered from the start, the vast majority of representations to the committee being made by pro abortionists, and to add insult to injury, a vote being taken roughly HALFWAY through the representations to recommend repeal. The independent chair of the committee - who would have a casting vote in case of a tied result - was also clearly disposed to a certain viewpoint. And that is before you even talk about the money illegally funneled from Soros' Open Society Foundation in groups calling for repeal. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
@brendanbutler1238
@brendanbutler1238 6 жыл бұрын
I agree, but I think that the internet has become something of a game changer. People now have access to information and communication with each other which is undermining the power of the "liberal elites". So although I still think there's some momentum left in the old guard liberals, I think their days are numbered as the average person is wising up to their nihilistic nonsense.
@brendanbutler1238
@brendanbutler1238 6 жыл бұрын
So what "version" of Catholicism teaches that it's OK to kill children?
@michaelcooke8437
@michaelcooke8437 2 ай бұрын
😊l ​@@brendanbutler1238
@danhealy3261
@danhealy3261 Ай бұрын
So so true
@biulaimh3097
@biulaimh3097 6 жыл бұрын
During the cold war, the USSR was perceived as a very humorless place. Russia`s past could be Europe`s future. This new "morality" is the same as the old USSR morality, we just have not made the connection yet. A major economic depression will shift the paradigm I suspect and that economic depression is inevitable. The consequences of monetary expansion cannot be avoided forever.
@PMTLynch
@PMTLynch 6 жыл бұрын
'Who tells the narratives' that comment from a member of the audience pretty much identifies the critical problem in Ireland, where fearless exchange of ideas is dead. This fascinating discussion happened in a podcast format, in a UK venue. It cannot even be imagined in any Irish university or media outlet without some punch and judy show breaking out. Waters and Nagle have a depth and intellectual heft that is almost completely absent in Ireland now. Depressing.
@bodonoghue3820
@bodonoghue3820 5 жыл бұрын
Well said. It is depressing but we have to keep talking because there is comfort in hearing other people reflect back how you feel just as I did when I read your comment. Thanks.
@seancoleman5021
@seancoleman5021 7 жыл бұрын
I have only listened to the first half an hour so far and these comments refer to that only. First, it is great to hear from John Waters again after he was hounded from his job in the Irish Times. He seems to have picked up a slight northern Irish twang. His point that the way things appear to be going at the moment is inevitable is an unproven assumption is typical of his insights. My position is conservative Catholic. Ireland is becoming more intolerant almost by the week. Like JW I agree with some of the points made by Angela Nagle without drawing her conclusion, eg her reference to the EU, that the homosexual marriage referendum was backed by all the political parties and unions, and that public discourse is cursed by an intolerant populism. I don't agree with much that Jon O'Brien said. There was censorship in Britain too (and a good thing too) and Christian morality was the accepted morality for everyone. There is an excellent chapter (or two) in Peter Hitchens's The Abolition of Britain. He talks about pluralism and tolerance of minorities, but Ireland was very much a Catholic country. I also take issue with his reference to the 'hierarchy', which is closer to Dan Brown than to any reality I have ever experienced. Clíodhna Ní Ghadhra said (I think) that the way these things are discussed prevents discussion of other important issues like direct provision for refugees or immigrants. She might have noticed that there is no debate about immigration at all, because most people oppose it. There was an article about immigration (by Eilis O'Hanlon) in the Sunday Independent a few months ago and it was favourable to it and welcomed Ireland's 'positive' attitude towards immigrants. She said that more than one in ten people living here were not born here. I wrote to the paper saying that this was not untrue, but that it would have been more accurate to say that more than one in six (OECD figures 17.6%, recent immigration (last 5 yrs) at nearly three times the average OECD rate, plus illegal immigrants - that would indicate that one in four is not that far off). I said that it would also not have been untrue to state the the rate was more than one in a hundred. This is just an example of how these things are dealt with (or rather ignored) in the media. Finally at about 29mins a young man referred to paedophile priests. The anti-clerical hysteria which has raged, in waves, in Ireland for the last two or three decades cannot be understood outside the context of modern witch hunts and mass delusions. What we learn from these is that deceit and dishonesty dominate while those in authority not only get swept along but make matters far worse. What is happening is that Irish history since 1921 is being re-written with the implication that the millions of ordinary people did not know the true nature of the country they knew and loved, or worse, that they were complicit in 'genocide' or whatever. I believe that this is completely untrue. I would recommend Rory Connor's excellent Irish Salem website for detailed information. The late Richard Webster's Sceptical Essays website is essential for, perhaps, a wider context. I would also recommend 'Moor Larkin's' Jim'll Never Fix This site about the astonishing outbreak of fantasy and hysteria which is the Jimmy Savile legend.
@seancoleman5021
@seancoleman5021 7 жыл бұрын
Now for the second half. Angela Nagle: "The way the public debate is conducted here [Britain] is always very impressive to me." British institutions are indeed stronger. The phrase "let's have an adult debate" used here in Ireland is a joke. It simply means 'now public opinion is ready for the next step in what we want to do.' There is no debate about anything of any importance. Policy is decided by media acclaim. Desmond Fennell put it down to provincialism. But things are changing in Britain too, and very quickly, as Hitchens testifies. Our media elite simply follows the line set in NY and London, forcing their ideas on the people. It is a sign of the utter uselessness of these ideas that despite decades of propaganda there is still resistance. I assume the 8th Amendment was introduced because church and people, seeing the way the wind was blowing, could forecast abortion on demand being imposed on them against their will in the future. Now, after many years of intense propaganda media and politician feel they can finally impose abortion. JW repeats the point that the idea that progressivism is inevitable is untrue. His point about the connection between abusing priests and homosexuality is brought out in Connor's articles about the Boston witch hunt. My explanation for what is happening is that we are living in an enormous collective fantasy. Richard Webster says the same (see his superb two-part essay about Nick Davies's Flat Earth News and the Jersey Scandal for example). In his precocious 1969 examination of the astonishing rise of the Swinging Sixties in England, The Neophiliacs, Christopher Booker sees it in terms of a five-stage fantasy cycle (of his own devising I'd say, though he is said to be an accomplished Jungian scholar). It is clear from his books on the subjects that he sees AGW and the EU as fantasies too. Ed West (son of Mary Kenny) makes a similar point (one that I was expecting) at the end of his excellent Diversity Illusion about mass immigration), comparing it to a millenial cult, where the wronger the prediction turn out (the end of the world or the arrival of aliens does not happen) the more support it wins. Donald Trump's complaints about fake news are correct. For example, the current media hysteria about Russian interference in the recent election are completely devoid of evidence (or reason). American commentator James Kunstler is another observer who has been struck by the irrationality, if not downright insanity, of recent events. Waters's point about cultural marxism is also correct - Peter Hitchens has written with an insider's knowledge on his own blog (so has dissident Spanish historian Pio Moa Rodriguez, but that is a subject in its own right). His point about democracy is also valid. As Brecht said, the elite, having been failed by the people, seek to elect an new people. The points made by the other speakers about diversity are no more than rhetoric. Any cultural diversity will vanish after a generation or two, the distinctive features of both indigenous population and immigrant being erased to leave, well, what? "Pluralism" is no more than an excuse for authoritarian state power. The more they talk about it the less there is. The damaging influence of social media, while correct, are well-known and the comments here offer no insight. I would have been more impressed had anyone pointed out (as I noticed on Facebook) that the decision by Germany to admit thousands of alleged refugees in September 2015 was the direct result of hysteria on the social media. Flemish journalist Clementine Le Forissier, an experienced Berlin correspondent, noted at the time (on France Radio) that Merkel's decision was the first time she had seen her make without careful planning but was emotional rather than rational. I came here in 1987 (against the flow) and I was interested in the work of Desmond Fennell, whose analysis (especially his Postwestern Condition) was proved to have been prescient. I used to go out of my way to read JW's books and articles too. For an understanding of Irish history I must also include the work of Raymond Crotty. I have often said that all the brains and imagination going in this country was given to these three. They all got a hard time from the consensus. I only read other Irish writers (occasionally) as an intellectual and psychological exercise, not for any insights they might have (they don't, as far as I am aware). Perhaps historian Joe Lee could be added to that list. [Edited to add David Quinn.] So where does Ireland fit into this? It has arrived at the party late and is making up for lost time. Its timing is poor. From memory, these are the final lines from Gabriel Fitzmaurice's poem, Paddy Last: And the medal goes to Paddy Last, I could hear the village roar. Now I'm first at last, I cried. I was always behind before!
@seancoleman5021
@seancoleman5021 7 жыл бұрын
I know I am going on, but John Waters 'Bring back the Black and Tans', as they are preferable to Irish liberals, reminds me of Peter Hitchens' comment about claims that the Islamic terrorists 'don't like our way of life': 'I don't like our way of life either.'
@martinsatyen7833
@martinsatyen7833 6 жыл бұрын
Sean Coleman Outstanding commentary sir. Thank you for taking the time. I've copied it and will work through your references. I'm a Brit living in the States. I was awoken to all this cultural (Marxist) madness by Jordan Peterson - before he became a phenomenon! - and at first thought it was a joke. I now realize it's been spreading through the West like a Hidden Plague, and as been fomenting - and fermenting - for decades. Worst still it is not longer 'hidden'. We are in the Full Reveal and Roll Out phase. Anyone wanting to see the ultimate consequences of this - as surely as night follows day - read Gulag Archipelago (at least the abriged version). "Those who aren't aware of history are destined to repeat it". Time we who value Freedom woke the hell up and took action.
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone does nlt oppose it clearly fuck for sake
@leonardniamh
@leonardniamh 6 жыл бұрын
Its absolutely the case that the guy who is Catholic is the most a critical thinker in spite of his stated position
@ethnalee9191
@ethnalee9191 6 жыл бұрын
am am am am am am am, is that what you learned at Trinity’
@frankielavelle2864
@frankielavelle2864 6 жыл бұрын
with big words in between. When she grows up she might learn that speaking and writing are different disciplines.
@pjwinters8601
@pjwinters8601 2 ай бұрын
Well spotted am am am am She’s a bit of an airhead 👀
@irishbrother4289
@irishbrother4289 3 жыл бұрын
The Far Left are indoctrinated in Cultural Marxism,they are burying their own graves
@grlfcgombeenhunter2897
@grlfcgombeenhunter2897 3 жыл бұрын
💯
@paulg451
@paulg451 5 ай бұрын
Talk about been spot on, again and again. Wonderful man is John. The country could do with more of him
@888rogermoore
@888rogermoore 4 жыл бұрын
The Irish liberal intellectual class have similarities to their counterparts in Britain where in Ireland they knock the Catholic Church in comparison in Britain they knock the monarchy.
@riverdonoghue9992
@riverdonoghue9992 7 ай бұрын
If the decline of religion and the rise of secularism is such a good thing then how come we have such problems with murder, drug abuse, crime and so much marriage breakdown, and so many young men killing themselves. Generally I think we have a lot to be proud of and we've come a long way. I grew up in the 80s and there was a lot of misery. I had to emigrate as did most of my leaving cert class. I moved back in 2016 and i very impressed in many ways but i was really shocked by the crime and widespread mental health issues.
@wolfthequarrelsome504
@wolfthequarrelsome504 3 жыл бұрын
It's just that today people are now so secure and insulated from nature and the natural world.
@paulcolin9071
@paulcolin9071 2 жыл бұрын
And insecure and so turned into lemmings
@The1brennana
@The1brennana 4 ай бұрын
This video is now 7 years old, and if anything, the rate of change has only accelerated. Everything from the world I grew up in has all but been erased.
@haveanicedayhaveaniceday830
@haveanicedayhaveaniceday830 6 жыл бұрын
a real MAN wood kill anything that threatened his WIFE or CHILD.
@TheDaisey68
@TheDaisey68 5 жыл бұрын
Am am am am so annoying
@fightintheshade
@fightintheshade 3 жыл бұрын
Should read “New Ireland Immoral State”
@paulcolin9071
@paulcolin9071 2 жыл бұрын
Agree
@user-yw6tm6cw1s
@user-yw6tm6cw1s 5 ай бұрын
Morals. The members of the Dail couldn't spell the word
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
Backwards but not forward
@paulcolin9071
@paulcolin9071 2 жыл бұрын
The first woman made a great speech
@johnjefferson657
@johnjefferson657 4 жыл бұрын
Leave the religion alone the moral of the story...LGBT and this nonsense should be avoided ..
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
Fuck off u don't understand different perspectives church will never changd with like u
@johnjefferson657
@johnjefferson657 3 жыл бұрын
@@nultyjack8219 What you don't understand is that you are confused nature tells you this..yet those who have drifted away from their morals encourage you as they want you in the same boat as them yet it is easy if you repent our kind Lord is forgiving.
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnjefferson657 morals is grey area stop telling me what to believe
@johnjefferson657
@johnjefferson657 3 жыл бұрын
@@nultyjack8219 Jack I am not telling you to believe anything..Just caring about your well being as one human to another.
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
Nature fuck off it is greyish arra there's is no one correct belief so do research but i don't like some people language
@acabramzach
@acabramzach 7 жыл бұрын
Next, they will say that heterosexuality is conservatism. The catholic church fell under it's own contradictions and it did not take time for another church of contradictions to take it's place. Man is so insecure, he can't live with any incertitude. Everything must be right, nothing wrong. Imperfection is not acceptable, so everything is perfect. Right is wrong, wrong is right. Everything is relative. Relativity is the new religion. Mad world.
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
Not saying ir
@MartyMolloy
@MartyMolloy 4 жыл бұрын
[38:43] WHO? said "The first thing that a coloniser does to the native of a new territory is to impress upon him that before the advent of colonialism there was nothing but savagery. Then he can leave because his work is done." I didn't catch the name.
@haveanicedayhaveaniceday830
@haveanicedayhaveaniceday830 6 жыл бұрын
its time to burn,?
@michaelerrington656
@michaelerrington656 5 жыл бұрын
erm em erm em erm em erm em........
@heartattack7230
@heartattack7230 3 жыл бұрын
Zobee state Ireland that we won't be able afford anything anymore
@gulag8735
@gulag8735 4 жыл бұрын
The use of the term rethoric!
@Success4u247
@Success4u247 Ай бұрын
People dancing in the streets celebrating the murder of babies is a move away from the moral center. And we are all now suffering.
@iseireannachme2006
@iseireannachme2006 3 жыл бұрын
Christ is King :D Feminism and the pill make women miserable. Return to Christ and practice virtue, protect Ireland's beautiful Catholic heritage and culture. We only have one home, everyone has a right to their own homeland, especially the Irish people. We never invaded anyone, just got invaded. Leave us be. Our Lady of Knock, Queen of Ireland, pray for us. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@leonardniamh
@leonardniamh 6 жыл бұрын
Ireland is in upheaval due to imbalance in power in the Dail which is three quarters right wing
@bodonoghue3820
@bodonoghue3820 5 жыл бұрын
No I don"t believe that is true anymore They arr cultural Marxists. Gay marriage, Abortion, Hate Speech Laws, Multiculturalism and open borders. These are left wing policies. They are all policies of our government and opposition.
@paulcolin9071
@paulcolin9071 2 жыл бұрын
4/4 just a bourgeoisie talking group
@beirbua3968
@beirbua3968 6 жыл бұрын
Latest news 22/04/18-how about this? The EU now have a mandarin in place in Saudi whose job it is to facilitate basically anything thats on the Ozlamest agenda. The name of this turkey= Michele Cervone D’Urso and he's an Italian.Listen to this-you couldnt make it up so I will provide the link for you below- he was in Saudi yesterday at the head of a EU delegation to Riyadh and do you know what was bothering him? He was meeting fellow-turkey Civil Defense Director General Maj. Gen. Sulaiman Bin Abdullah Al Amro in a bid to ensure that European Muslims feel SAFE when they do their pilgrimage to Mecca- capital of Ozlamism aka antiChrist central.And if you find that impossible to believe-do you know d'Urso's true mission? He is the guy who will facilitate the purchase of your 'sovereign natural resources' for the Arabs version of the EU (its called the GCC-Gulf Coop Council). In Saudi its called Saudi Vision 2030 and the idea is to use the massive treasury of oil profits to buy up Hungary's farmland, Ireland's Water, Denmark's fishing etc and let their new slaves continue supporting them as the oil gradually becomes a twilight industry.All with the aid of Merkel the Mad as history will record; so here you are/were then-www.arabnews.com/node/1041021/saudi-arabia www.saudigazette.com.sa/article/533205/SAUDI-ARABIA/EU-diplomatic-delegation-briefed-about-Haj-safety-mechanism
@irishbrother4289
@irishbrother4289 4 жыл бұрын
The story should be John Waters (Common Sense) V 3 brainwashed Liberal dopes (Zero Common Sense with their belief system not based on facts at all but emotion)
@LennonZA
@LennonZA 4 ай бұрын
Angela "Erm" Nagle is impossible to listen to.
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
No
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
It's not pc its called caribg for diversity doesn't stop others view this just rights desire for control over people
@grlfcgombeenhunter2897
@grlfcgombeenhunter2897 3 жыл бұрын
Go away and look 👀 at ur gay porn
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
@@grlfcgombeenhunter2897 u again troll
@grlfcgombeenhunter2897
@grlfcgombeenhunter2897 3 жыл бұрын
@@nultyjack8219 Iwhy do I keep coming across ur name. Not a good sign kid.
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
@@grlfcgombeenhunter2897 ur looking for ny name i seen u here early because u commented. Obsessed troll go away
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
Intolerant of what
@russianbot1420
@russianbot1420 4 жыл бұрын
Secular athiest,?
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
It is issue biased debate
@riverdonoghue9992
@riverdonoghue9992 7 ай бұрын
Em em em em em
@jpohare644
@jpohare644 4 жыл бұрын
This young woman seem to lack the Holy Spirit or Word of God in Holy Bible. . Her conversation is about me me
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
P c in past too couldn't read about sexuality etcm corrupt media yet u have platform to spesk rubbish
@garymurtagh2864
@garymurtagh2864 3 жыл бұрын
Em Em. Em. Em em em. Em em em em em em em em em em m. M. M m m m m m m em em
@neasahayes6044
@neasahayes6044 2 жыл бұрын
As well as very aggravating body language - wrist flicking, hand spinning, fake magnanimous big Tech CEO hand spreading, pompously speaking down to the 'less enlightened' out there 'down the country'.
@colinsweeney2628
@colinsweeney2628 7 жыл бұрын
I think Waters didn't take his medication.
@maolsheachlannoceallaigh4772
@maolsheachlannoceallaigh4772 7 жыл бұрын
He's not taking the Kool Aid.
@bodonoghue3820
@bodonoghue3820 5 жыл бұрын
Is that all you've got ? He didn't take his meds ? How did you think up that witty retort. Typical leftie cultist, slurs, sneers name calling and ridicule. No argument. Nothing. You mock his humanity his passion and his humour because he doesn't talk with the cold removed Marxists stance that your leftie luvvies do.
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
@@bodonoghue3820 says thd one insulting and msjing up lies sbour marxic there's more to been liberal than tbst
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
@@bodonoghue3820 clearly u don't understand
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
Loopy john
@grlfcgombeenhunter2897
@grlfcgombeenhunter2897 3 жыл бұрын
Loopy left
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
@@grlfcgombeenhunter2897 raunchy right
@grlfcgombeenhunter2897
@grlfcgombeenhunter2897 3 жыл бұрын
@@nultyjack8219 I sick little bastard I think u should see someone. Before I see ya.
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
@@grlfcgombeenhunter2897 ha ha easy to wind ye idiots up y keep stalking me
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
@@grlfcgombeenhunter2897 doesn't make sense to say i sick bastard ur calling you one. You could go see someone I am not one stalking posts of me
@bonchance9241
@bonchance9241 6 жыл бұрын
the ''Establishment'' supported ABORTION. really dear. isn't that wonderful. search YT please inform yourselves. naivete is wonderful & dangerous.
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
John playwright me hole
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
Catholic Church didn't it ruinex us. John walters just majes up shit and doesn't like other side of debate either. He is hypocrite like lots of these
@nultyjack8219
@nultyjack8219 3 жыл бұрын
Homephobe John. I hate u too
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