They're definitely building it to a specific set of regulations, whatever municipality that may be. They want it as close to moped as possible while legally being a bike.

The pedals are there JUST to make it legally a bicycle, guarantee it. Xtreme built some e-mopeds with the same idea way back in the day (just way cheaper). And whoo boy did they get pulled over a lot. Don't like the tail light being that far back. Don't like the lack of turn signals either, since if you're going to go *this* fancy you might as well have them, too.

If apple made somthing like this it could sell for 4000 bucks and it would sell out everywhere and tech reviewers and journalists would say its great

That has to be the funniest looking pedal position I’ve ever seen 😂😂

Actually, your review makes it sound very appealing to me. I live in a very flat little town, and I don't want to go very fast. I'm looking for comfort and convenience. Your video didn't deter me! (but it did educate me, so thank you!)

As always an honest and thorough review. I’m looking for an e-moped but it definitely won’t be this one!! Thanks

At first I was like I really want that bike . By the end I was like I really don’t want that bike!

A great and honest review that highlighted both the negative and positive attributes of this virtually unclassifiable vehicle.

18:35, petal assist, I might have to go to my nearest florist for that :)

I'm stuck in the scooter / ebike divide: can't quite replace my Honda Metropolitan with my Hyperscorpion. Building a really large second battery pack to increase the range so maybe it can do the trick.

Excellent in depth review 👍

Glad for the review. Not that I personally would ever buy one know enough about it to never supported it to others. I own an old "Sunbird" branded Chinese scooter that it too was quite the letdown to those who purchased one back in the early 2000. The original owner was a pilot that was considering the e-bike industry. He didn't even have 30 miles on the bike when he road it across wet pavement. Didn't make it 50ft from the hanger to get to his car when it shut off abruptly. Blew the fuse on the first battery pack. He switched it to the second pack and nothing. He pushed it back to the hanger and picked up his 24v push scooter to return to his vehicle. He got his money back but not the shipping. They told him to send it back at his own expense or just keep it. It stayed in the hanger for 15 years before he left it when he quit renting the space. Research on the bike hand nothing but the same bad reviews. 90% having the same wet pavement/weather related issues at the time of failure. The rest were just hate reviews on its performance. If it can't ride it in the rain it's NOT worth riding. I'd rather build my own and have the same results but know where the failure is to fix it myself. ALL that extra technology makes it a headache for troubleshooting. NO THANKS. I'll spend my money more wisely.

They dropped the ball hard on this moped! I just bought an EUY e-moped they call an e-bike that goes 31 mph, has a 1000 watt motor, and has a 25ah battery for $1300! Boy is this thing fun!

Finally - years of watching and enjoying your excellent videos and I finally found a typo! 18:33 "Petal Assist"... is there a bounty for that? A free KevCentral sticker? :)

Thanks for this!

I think it’s great, I’m buying for my 13 yr old daughter…we live in a small town with a max speed limit of 20mph , me and my wife both work full time and this solves our problem..I’m sure the local police will give us the shakedown as this looks like a moped..

This is a fascinating review, Kev. The thing is , if all this - steel, plastic, headlight, motor, battery, electronics, full suspension, hydraulic motorcycle brakes - can be had for under $2500... why are pedal bikes so expensive?

Such a weird little ride - an odd one for sure. And I didn't think you were too tough on it - part of the problem with this thing is it's not really defined, not just in name either.

It’s classified as an E-bike in the UK because it has peddles and is restricted to a speed limit but up the hill in the UK where it can be extremely hilly it would be largely useless

Great review señor

I had a Gigabyke Groove bike 4years ago...same as this! Rode like being on a cloud, loved that part! Great bike for flatlands, but living in the hills of Western PA, well these things aren't/weren't made for them! I felt like a hamster in a wheel cage trying to make it up a hill at 7 MPH. I'm 6'2" and 220 and these bikes are made for someone around 120 pounds! I sold it and bought a RadCity bike back in 2018 and it's still going problem-free today!

Wait. Segue is still a brand? The hell?! The pedals honestly look like an averthought intended to get around regulations for scooters.

This makes me miss my 2014 Gio Italia -- a very similar bike/moped hybrid. I rode it for five years or so, but I live on an island (one with crazy hills, so I'm with you on the limited draw) where I was pretty sure I wouldn't get in trouble for the fact that the pedals were under the tail light. I always said yes, it has pedals, but you have to go to clown school to learn how to pedal it. I'd never have dreamed of taking on the busy streets you ride on in the video! I enjoyed it a great deal though, and used it as my primary form of on-island transportation. Another issue with these is maintenance. If you need to change the rear tyre, you're going to have to do the wheel removal and installation yourself, and it's not easy. Plus, getting the removed rear wheel to a garage to have the tyre swapped out is a challenge unto itself -- it is HEAVY due to the motor. And then you get to the matter that about half the cost of the scooter is the battery, so after 4-5 years, you face the choice of buying a whole shiny new bike or keeping an ageing one going by spending another $800-900. I chose the former.

KC: if you didn't tell the truth, and a sub bought one, that person would not be happy. I like your approach to reviews. Please always be honest.

Maybe doing a shunt mod would allow it to draw more current.

It had so much potential. To bad they fumbled it.

Huh. I did not know Segway still existed. I don't think you were to hard. Honesty hurts sometimes. Thanks for sharing this with us.

I wonder if you can unlock the motor or possibly just swap with a higher power motor.

Finally, a KevCentral upload!

This is for a person who doesn't want or can't get a motorcycle endorsement, and needs to do short commutes without driving a car, and afraid of sharing lanes with cars, don't want to deal with insurance and motorcycle plates. A niche market for sure, but there are tons of people in need for this.

Would like to hear your thoughts on the new Honda Navi

That's a "bob tail" rear fender (7.20), found on a lot of Harleys.

I think you nailed it Kev.

It's Segway/Ninebot. Chances are there is, or will be, a way to unlock speed and increase the wattage.

The music is perfect!

It’s a cool concept though just needs way more customization in all ways so you get a decent thing out of it at least to some degree.

a 48v motor should easily do 40km/h on flat. Definitely not pulling the 30A max, more like 15A

Best intro on this channel

Thanks for the Laughs KC !

I’ve considered this so many times as a form of e-transportation to jump into. I was considering an e-scooter but I kind of wanted something more sturdy and better range. My town isn’t super hilly either so it’s perfect. Honestly though the only thing holding me back is the fact I know my cities police would 100% pull me over on it and consider it a moped and attempt to make me register it.

got one. Love it actualy. Yes its limited. Perfect to stick visitors on. They can't hurt themselves.

Good job

It is what it is, I'd wished I'd had a review like this before I had bought a Honda ruckus. It couldn't go uphill either, no matter what you modded it out with!

Love my EBike moped - they are legal in most states as long as they have pedals and are under 742w or 1hp - no registration needed I got pulled over 3 times and had to explain that .. they realized I was correct .. it is NOT meant for hills - I used to drive mine back and forth to work for 3 years here in pa when I didn’t have my license Great conversation piece Cool to show off at car shows or family gatherings Your means of transportation… not ideal but in the worst cases can get the job done I have the classic 5 green power Love your content - follow for the bike reviews You helped in my purchase for my Schwinn boundary !

Hi kev I bought the Schwinn taff comp and The Pro Rush derailleur broke off and broke off the rear hanger the first ride after unpackaging I spent $200 on replacement derailleur and hanger that are extremely hard to find.than bike got stolen less than a month later

❤️ good evening I hope you're doing well I just got over covid-19 but I was vaccinated so it wasn't bad

If they had pushed the pedals forward, it would still be a knee killer. Plus there'd be no room for the foot pegs.

I rode a 34 mph 48v 1500 watt ebike built for 700 dollars for 11 years. I got tired of the expensive batteries and low mileage and low range. I switched to a duel shock 150cc scooter that cost 1200 with shipping. I get way more range, speed and fueling up is a couple of dollars a week that takes 2 minutes to fill. Although beautiful I feel this e-moped is over priced riding on the Segway name. I think it's way too small, someone could pick it up and stick it in a van. It does have many features that would be nice to see standard.

I have just purchased this C80 over 2 weeks ago from Costco here in Canada and here are my 2 cents and why I disagree with a lot of the point in the video 1. The price I got was just a bit under $1700 CAD including tax, thats about $1350 USD. And for the price for this ranged of electric moped its a great deal 2. The pedals are CLEARLY there to just bypass North American laws, no one buying this moped would be peddling this thing, I mean come on, does it even look like a bicycle? 🤣 3. The speed, now here are things that get interesting. There is a simple soft lock to unlock the full potential of the moped. I'm 215 lbs with my backpack and I easily get over 50KM/H (31MPH) on flat grounds and about 20KM/H on a 15-20degree hill. Downhills I can get as fast as 60KM/H. It's a simple unlock and all you need is just an android phone, if you need help let me know. 4. The range with the unlocked speed is about 500meters for every 1% of battery, so you're looking at about 50KM (31miles) range for someone of my weight. 5. The GPS and map problem I also got, but tech support was helpful and all they told me is to unbind the moped from your account, shut off, disconnect battery for 30 seconds and pair it again like a new bike. Viola it has worked without a problem since! 6. Tech support is not as bad as I thought, I opened a ticket about the charging brick was pretty hot during charging and afterwards they followed up 3 times with me without me getting back to them. So far the ONLY things that I'm worried about the bike are 1. Battery life and replacements. I think Segway don't sell battery and not sure how you can replace the battery after a x amount of years 2. Puncture in the tires, since this thing is so new, lot of places don't know how to fix this like a normal bike tire.

have you dine a review on the niu uqi gt?

Good to see you back Kev is this really the video for when you've been gone for a shot time. have you found anything good hahahahahahahahhahh

I have one, its absolutely my favorite way to travel!

I am definitely NOT shilling here....Just as quarantine hit in 2020, I bought a Rad Rover 5 Fat Tire....after getting some info from a little bird, I contacted Rad (after the sale) and compelled them to honor an add'l $100 Mil Vet discount (not "advertised" and now discontinued) .... total out of pocket including tax....$1603.30. After having seen dozens of e-bike review and test riding a couple of entry-level and budget e-bikes, I am so danged happy with my purchase. Since then I have had to contact Rad customer service and got a human being by phone or same-day email response and a quick and thorough resolution. While the bikes are built in China, Rad is a mature, State-Side Company...and that makes all the difference.

You are Dead On ! Right to say !

My solution to the lack of power is build a 750w front hub motor ( unrestricted) with throttle!

Got the same front calliper as a ybr 125

2021 Specialized Stumpjumper Comp Carbon 29er is what I'm rolling. All legs.

This thing is interesting for what it is. I just wish their E series was available in north america, since I REALLY want the E100 or E125 for the speed and range so it can actually be useful, anything specifically limited at no more than 43.5mph lol, even 0.5 higher and Quebec legally considers it a motorcycle smh...

Hey Kevin, what kind of Vespas do you have?? I’m working on a Vespa P200 and a Lambretta SX200 right now. Always cool to hear about other scooter nerds.

The NIU UQi executes a very similar concept much better (and cheaper too)

Everything you said on your video is true. I've had mine since the middle of August last year. I live in a mountain valley and it is terrible on the hills. I go side to side to get up the hills (switch back) My battery quit working and I have been back and forth with them for several weeks. My machine needs to be reset and I have no idea how to do that. The speedometer is stuck on 20, flashes and I can't change it. Now the battery is completely dead, but the lights are all on. I can't fix it. I think they are going to send me a new battery. I hope so, because it says online they are out of stock. i have enjoyed riding it. I am old and don't care about speed. It's really quiet and I like that. I'll let you know if they fix it, otherwise it looks like I might be out $2,200.

16:02 messed me up when the red car went behind your side view mirror and didn't come out.

Like for the intro haha

The pedals should've been up front next to the pegs if they were to be usable. And they could've been locked into an upwards position if the pegs were to be used.

My Segway Ninebot MAX 🛴has 20% slope hill climbing capability (I’ve tested it & it climbs so easy). The C80, on the other hand only can do 12%….that’s where it fails….but my other electric ⚡️ mopeds 🛵 are horrible at hill climbing also. Also that 750W motor is inaccurate, it’s 600W. Segway claims the “peak power” is 750W. I just realized that you’re HondaProKev 🏍️ lol (I recognized your voice). 🤙🏾 🙋🏽‍♂️

Interesting fact : (disclaimer I’m not a traffic lawyer) in ca you can legally ride an e scooter with a seat and NO pedals with a drivers license or permit if it is under a certain power level. Which means here the pedals on this thing would be obsolete. Why on earth you would buy one is another matter. I own a Segway-Ninebot ninebot maxg30 Scooter and it’s garbage at getting anywhere further than a few miles due to the massive embarrassment of riding it. 😂

I have 2 of these with less then 10 miles on them. The first one the charger died. Got a replacement in about 2 months. Second one battery died shortly after the first ones charger died. Been trying to get responses and support help from Segway since Oct. 2021. Nothing. So one machine still under warranty is totally useless with no help coming anytime soon. I would use caution with buying these. I should have stuck with my original plan and both a branded ebike.

There's a lot of cool there.

I had mine for about 6 months. Don't have a problem with the app but uphill and power need a boost mod that's about $400.00 u.s. I use the pedals for uphill with the trodel on. But the rain part I had to purchase a rain coat for the bike/mopped that is shipped from China along with other parts. There kind of pricey.

It seems like a useless option for someone late night shopping. I do not see a single use scenario where this would be a good fit. Even for a vacation rental outfit the lack of parts kills it.

It’s a real shame but this isn’t the only foreign designed vehicle that has issues here. I bought my wife a Honda ADV150 scooter for her to learn how to ride. I rode it a few times before we sold it, as she decided she did not want to be a scooter/motorcycle rider. It was speed limited to 65mph, which sounds ok, until you get to a steep hill. Needless to say, 40-45mph at the top was not out of the question. More of these companies need to research the US market better if they’re going to sell here, as Americans are interested in buying the items, but are often disappointed by the performance of them.

It would be cool to see a shunt mod or a speedometer delete

I bought mine for 1600'ish at Bestbuy. It's so close to being such a good ebike/emoped! Frustrating. On the flats it's sufficient, a great ride.. but barely fast enough.. a top speed of 25-30mph would be fantastic, as well as a bit more power for hills. It's just so frustrating at times. If they'd just release an update patch to unlock/add 25 percent performance it would be such a good bike even at the cost of some range.

My battery wont charge. The 3rd and 5th light flashes. The charger block indicator is green but it wont power up my moped. Idk whats wrong

They limited the speed because the max speed for class 2 ebike is 20mph. Beyond that, it is a moped. C80 has pedals and max speed below 20mpg, so legally it is a class 2 ebike, which is allowed on bike lanes and you cannot share lanes with cars even if you want to, just like when you ride a bicycle.

Seems pretty similar to like the super 73 where the pedals only exist for legal reasons. Totally not worth the price especially if youd have to get a tag and insurance you might as well just buy a honda navi Although I do wonder if it's like a surron/segwayx260 where you can cut a wire and get way more power out of it

It's an e-Motorbike with half the power it requires to properly roll up the hills in my opinion but, a great buy

Negative reviews are always the most useful. Better to hear the bad stuff before you are stuck owning something. Positive reviews are usually worthless and often faked by the manufacturer.

Yes, not anything but a motor scooter with a battery. It competes with the gasoline Chinese generic 49cc scooters often called GY6 at one third the price. This scooter will need a plate and turn signals. Thanks for an enjoyable review.

$1799 now at costco, what do you think for that price?

The pedals are probably there for it to be called an ebike and not require a license and insurance. Many jurisdictions might require than anyway as a lot of places only allow pedal assistt and not throttle based systems.

hardware seems solid, let down by software. At least this is something that may improve with time.

Many thanks for the in-depth review however you lost me with PETAL ASSIST. It's not a flower for a honey bee. I've had the Evader ebike and it has PEDALS at the rear, just like the Segway C80 and it is very awkward to use but I think it's just there because of the law regarding licensing and insurance. It does work but because the Evader MX3 has 6 batteries, it makes it hard to control and pedal. The Evader was limited to 18mph but when that broke I was hitting 32mph. My PEDAL ASSIST e bicycle (owned 2), was hitting 26mph without me even using the pedals.

I just watched an exceeding poorly researched review on this bike which was full of factual inaccuracies from a channel that has over a million subs. Then I watched your video and it is a breath of fresh air and fair reporting. I am interested in scooter reviews and this was very well done, I'd watch more from you.

They might as well have put those pedals next to the headlight for how useful they are. What a weird hybrid product that misses whatever mark it was going for.

Thats not an E-Bike, thats a Scooter with pedals XD

Considering the Honda comparisons, you can actually get a Honda Navi scooter that will go 50 mph for just $1800

Well given a moped (in Texas) if electric is legal if the motor power is under ~4500W, 750W is quite low. Comparable to a ebike limit.

If I ever got one I would change out the controller for a 48v 35 or 45 amp controller The it would be alot better

Ninebot actually makes really good kick scooters. I would stay away from this "e-bike" unless you want to get dusted by kick scooter that is less than half the price, can handle more weight and is probably going to be more reliable.

Bought mine on sale for $1250. Think they had a computer error because the grey and yellow was the only one at that price. This is a very comfortable and fun scooter. There is a mod you can buy to get 37MPH. At $1250 nothing can touch it.

16:22 power draw = amps? It says 30amp max on the sticker. 48v @ 30 amps is a lot of potential power. Clearly, firmware is limiting the amps.

Attempting to modify it with a different operating system would be a good video

The battery container is way bigger then the actual battery, I bet you can add double the battery amount...

I like the bike/moped but I won't get it because water can destroy it LOL even a cheap e-bike can be able to be in the rain and still work lol.

You got it right it's dead on

Neat looking scooter/moped, too bad they dropped the ball with power….I should say they dropped the ball with the software. We know that the motor has plenty of power and the battery and voltage are optimal…they just need to let the end user dial in the settings like speed limiter and what each level of power assist gives power wise. Good job on the video Kevin

My girlfriend bought me a citizen Tokyo folding bike for xmas. I put a bafang bbshd 1000w mid drive on it and bought a 48vx50ah battery from aliexpress. The bike is almost comical with the 16 inch wheels and folds into a suitcase. It weighs less than her lectric xp with the battery. It will max out at about 40 mph and has a 90+ mile range on thumb throttle only and unknown range on pedal assist. The only upgrades I've done besides the emotor is magura hydraulic rim brakes and made a 4 wheel trailer to pull my two dogs at 200+ lbs. It'll do 75 miles on pedal assist pulling my dogs. And the bike is a wheelie machine in the higher settings

its a product meant for china that is being brought overseas. the pedals are there for legal reasons, or else the driver would need a motorcycle license to take it on the streets. In shanghai, its actually one of the fastest legal ebikes you can buy right now. top speed was around 55km/h (after a software unlock), although ninebot have lowered it via OTA recently due to some incidents where the wires were melted through. its sibling product (b110p) is actually marketed as a water-resistant ebike, with a battery that they claim can be charged underwater. not so sure about the c80 though. PS. there's actually an app that you can download to unlock the speed. you just connect it via bluetooth to your phone, and the app unlocks the ebike's speed with a tap of the button. im not sure if this would work on the international variant. PPS. i can almost guarantee the that app issues are due to the data center being in china (the great firewall) PPPS. its sold for around 900 USD in china (regular price)

What’s the grade percent?