WOTMQ: Fully Deconstructing, Part II

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misterdeity

misterdeity

26 күн бұрын

Getting over the damage done to our emotions - our sense of empathy, understanding, and fairness, is easily the most difficult and overlooked part of leaving religion.
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@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
HEALTH UPDATE: We've discovered over the past month that my chemo is causing the dip in my white blood cell count (I've been taking half of what I used to this last month). But now my platelets are way back up (which is why I take the chemo). So, I have to go back to taking more chemo. I'm hoping that won't rob me of all my energy like before. Both of my doctors also want me to see a cardiologist because neither feel like my high resting heart rate or shortness of breath have anything to do with the chemo or anemia. So... that should be fun. I'll let you know how that goes. 😬
@VCV95
@VCV95 24 күн бұрын
Keep yourself well, and we will be here
@KeithCooper-Albuquerque
@KeithCooper-Albuquerque 24 күн бұрын
Please take care of yourself. We need you, but we need you to be healthy more!
@dimitrisazarias8260
@dimitrisazarias8260 24 күн бұрын
Be well, take care of yourself, all the best!
@CharCanuck14
@CharCanuck14 24 күн бұрын
You have a huge cheerleading squad behind you Brian.....some of us even being cancer survivors, so we get you!
@DawnDavidson
@DawnDavidson 24 күн бұрын
Sending you love and best wishes for healing through the f-ed up necessity that is chemo.
@thomasvanetten1984
@thomasvanetten1984 24 күн бұрын
Shoot, empathy is not only not emphasized it’s now openly criticized as being ‘woke’.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
So true!!!
@lorenbauman1654
@lorenbauman1654 23 күн бұрын
Isn’t that just the perversity of it all? Why do I, an atheist, have ‘Good Samaritan’ empathy, but the so-called pious Christians don’t?
@freddylubin
@freddylubin 24 күн бұрын
Grateful that I grew up an atheist.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
It is a blessing!
@josephbelisle5792
@josephbelisle5792 24 күн бұрын
I am jealous.
@NoSacredCowFla
@NoSacredCowFla 24 күн бұрын
Today's MAGAgelicals think that the Jeebus of the sermon on the mount was weaksauce and are constantly telling their church leaders so.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
NoSacredCowFla is not making that up. This is absolutely true!!! Compassion is weakness to them.
@alphabravo8703
@alphabravo8703 24 күн бұрын
yup
@alphabravo8703
@alphabravo8703 24 күн бұрын
@@misterdeity and yup
@Uriel238
@Uriel238 24 күн бұрын
I have an ongoing grievance with the not-Trump conservative community (many of whom will continue to vote for Trump and [R] flavored candidates even while staring down the end of democracy and the rise of one-party autocracy) since the ticket to ride this train was bought when they elected Nixon and Reagan. Their policies drove the transition from Eisenhower Republicanism to Reagan Republicanism to George W. Bush Republicanism to Donald J. Trump Republicanism. The _intellectual conservative_ ideology you paint, Brian, indicates to me _they knew what they were doing._ They actively _chose_ not just to ride this train, but to lay the rails to the destination we're seeing this year if the presidential election goes the wrong way, or the new insurrectionist attack is successful. _Behind the Bastards_ discussed this across a couple of topics, including how James W. Fifield Jr. offered to early 20th century industrialists an interpretation of Christianity that dispensed with all of Jesus' pinko-commie platitudes (or, for that matter, beatitudes) and justified greed, which provided for the Moral Majority, and Jerry Falwell's movement to turn Christians into a conservative voting bloc, hence the rise of Reagan. Our adoption of fascist autocracy was only delayed by the New Deal and the fascist ideologues being the enemy in WWII. But I was stunned during the Congressional January 6th hearings, when Brad Raffensperger, who'd been pressured to _find 11,780 votes_ and was clearly scrupulous enough to refuse to game the election, yet still insisted he'd vote for Trump in 2024 if he was the Republican candidate. It appears even the most ethical Republican during the last fifty-plus years still pushes for the kinds of policies that ultimately drive the US towards autocracy. Even the smart ones who saw the outcome couldn't help themselves. *PS:* All the best of luck with the chemo. That's harsh treatment.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
Isn’t it amazing!!! And today, we have Nikki Haley jumping on board. These people are lost!
@grepora
@grepora 24 күн бұрын
Democracy is for Democrats. Authoritarianism is for Republicans, and they don't't want it any other way.
@darrennew8211
@darrennew8211 19 күн бұрын
The rise of one-party autocracy would probably be delayed by democrats not trying to exclude popular candidates from running. "We have to put him in jail before the primaries, for democracy!"
@Styphon
@Styphon 24 күн бұрын
I think giving up religion has opened me up to being more caring and compassionate. Tou may recognize this: "One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason".
@janmiller1591
@janmiller1591 24 күн бұрын
Empathy produces better results than thinking Santa is watching.
@UncleKennysPlace
@UncleKennysPlace 24 күн бұрын
Does Santa watch people in the bathroom?
@johnb2649
@johnb2649 24 күн бұрын
Oh, yeah, that’s the money take. Well done. =Peace=
@laurajarrell6187
@laurajarrell6187 Ай бұрын
Brian, wow, patrons forgetting to like and comment? WHY! You're the best. Oops, telling you how great you be, I missed drooling over, I mean reading the side bits. I hope you feel better. Dammit, please take care, you're so very important to me, I mean all of us. 👍💙💙💙🥰✌
@ashleychan7397
@ashleychan7397 24 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for your videos. The young Mr. Diety helped me through deconstruction with laughter. You are wonderful and will always be my favorite diety.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
Thanks so much. You’ve made my fortnight!
@aubreyleonae4108
@aubreyleonae4108 24 күн бұрын
Wow, I had a s similar experience. Mental health taughht me the same lesson on free will and the vast spiritual desert of fundamentalism.. 🤗 Many thanks for this video, my brother in reality. ❤
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
Thanks so much. Blessings are headed your way!!!
@BeenDownSoLong...
@BeenDownSoLong... Ай бұрын
Well, "Render unto Caesar..." and "Slaves, be obedient to your masters..." seem to have been religiously followed.
@TheBoothy666
@TheBoothy666 24 күн бұрын
For the algorithm (and the good content 🙂)
@brunozeigerts6379
@brunozeigerts6379 24 күн бұрын
Leaving Christianity wasn't easy. It happened mainly because I realized the only reason I believed it was that I was raised to. After leaving it, I felt better. I didn't have to worry about every little thought being recorded and held against me.
@robinvandusen1661
@robinvandusen1661 24 күн бұрын
Thankyou Brian. Excellent work as always. Hope your health is improving.
@Egooist.
@Egooist. 24 күн бұрын
Thanks for being you ...
@c.guydubois8270
@c.guydubois8270 24 күн бұрын
Thanks Bri Bri...
@dougt7580
@dougt7580 24 күн бұрын
It's really interesting looking back that even though I was educated at fairly liberal Catholic schools and was taught that we should care for the poor and sick and the disenfranchised - it was done in such a way not to foster true empathy or emotional intelligence. It was taught that we should care for those people because that's what God wants, not because you should have genuine concern for your fellow human beings. It was you should help others because it's what your commanded to do, not, you should help others because you want to help others and here's why.....
@josephbelisle5792
@josephbelisle5792 24 күн бұрын
This is part of my anti-theism. You are expected to have no faith inhumanity or reality and just believe the bible and the church as they speak for god. I couldn't stand the hypocrisy, the cognitive dissonance and the lack of empathy for life. It's all about death and what is supposed to come after. Thanks for the post.
@81caspen
@81caspen 24 күн бұрын
So delighted with this video. I think the point you make about empathy is probably the reason why the right was so easily able to absorb the religious sphere of influence. “Do you hate sin? Did you know that sinners want you to pay them so they can keep on sinning? That’s welfare! Let’s turn off the tap and starve Satan out!” I don’t believe that’s necessarily how Christians actually think. I have Christian friends whom I love and I can’t feature anything so crass in them; but it’s the kind of attitude by religious and political leaders which made the union appear to make sense.
@johndemeritt3460
@johndemeritt3460 24 күн бұрын
I've been married to a Jewish woman for forty years now, and the one thing I see time and again among Jewish communities is the idea of "tikkun olam" -- "this broken world". But this isn't a point of despair: rather, it is a challenge to unite with others as partners in repairing this broken world. This, and my experience with a slew of other religions, is why I, as a sociologist interested in sociology of religion, emphasize behavior over belief in defining "religion". And it is in shaping prosocial behavior that I see religion as a potential positive force in the world. Now . . . if I could just get that message across to some "religious" people in this country. And, in the meantime, if a civil war DOES emerge here in the States, does anyone know a good place for a Jewish woman married to a gentile to go? Things might get . . .dicey . . . for Jews and their gentile relations.
@CharCanuck14
@CharCanuck14 24 күн бұрын
Come to Canada......we're pretty cool here!
@findsharon
@findsharon 24 күн бұрын
We all might be getting passports after the next election.
@moodyrick8503
@moodyrick8503 22 күн бұрын
I read Viktor E. Frankl's book, (Man's Search For Meaning), when I was 20. A very insightful look at survival in horrible circumstances and of how to find meaning in the midst of immense suffering. An excellent book, in that regard. _I highly recommend it._
@CharlesPayet
@CharlesPayet 20 күн бұрын
100% agreed!
@merrigalebeddoes1921
@merrigalebeddoes1921 24 күн бұрын
Another lifelong atheist here, and grateful for it. Also grateful for your outlook on things and your sense of humor
@bananaslug.1951
@bananaslug.1951 23 күн бұрын
Thanks! I lucked out, I was raised catholic but it never took hold of me, tried the Protestant religion and that was worse. Starting listening to people like you and realized I was never a believer but I was well educated in religion and that is when could no longer believe in the invisible sky daddy. So my thanks to you and your fellow unbelievers.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 23 күн бұрын
Yes, that is absolutely fortunate. Well done! And thanks so much for the help. I'm sending blessings your way!
@catherinespencer-mills1928
@catherinespencer-mills1928 24 күн бұрын
Growing up, the town library had an entire bookcase of fairy tails. All the color books, The Brothers Grimm, and on and on. Fairy tales teach about people not like ourselves and the admonishment to treat them gently and kindly because you will not like the consequences if you don't. Which consequences may be internal or external. I still read fairy tales. There are still lessons to be learned.
@charlesparadis5716
@charlesparadis5716 24 күн бұрын
always a pleasure listening to you. thanks Bri Bri....
@AmberAmber
@AmberAmber 24 күн бұрын
Love you LOADS Brian the Brain!❤❤❤❤
@brunozeigerts6379
@brunozeigerts6379 24 күн бұрын
Space 1999 reference?
@AmberAmber
@AmberAmber 24 күн бұрын
@@brunozeigerts6379 Um i dont think so (im so out of the loop🤣)- more cos i spelled deity wrong b4 & Brian commented about people calling him brain. Xoxoxo
@Gaming_Vegan_Ape
@Gaming_Vegan_Ape 24 күн бұрын
As a pre-teen/teen when I was suicidal. The fear of hell kept me from killing myself. I wouldn't say religion "saved" me. It made me live a longer, more miserable life... I'm 36 now. Life is a bit less shitty now without religion or gods.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
I hope you find the good stuff and find a place where you can enjoy life. Sadly, that’s not open to everyone. If you find it, be grateful.
@albucc
@albucc 24 күн бұрын
In this aspect, Kardecist spiritism is extremely benign. Talking out of the pseudoscientific nonsense, there is clearly a positive message. The Gospel According to Spiritism is all about the positive messages for the new testament, while considering the old testament a part of an evolutionary process. I still take teachings from books authored by Chico Xavier (Francisco Candido Xavier, undisputably the most famous medium from Brazil) as very useful. (Disregarding all the part of "how the spirit world is like").
@nedludd7622
@nedludd7622 24 күн бұрын
Selecting only the "positive messages" is cherry picking. In any event they were not new. As someone said not so long ago, what is good in Jesus' teachings is not new, and what is original is not good. Sorry, I had recorded a video of that but lost it.
@darthvirgin7157
@darthvirgin7157 24 күн бұрын
what does a cabal of narcissistic, plastic-skinned, no-talent , artificial, dark-haired, socal based attention -seekers have to do with anything?
@albucc
@albucc 23 күн бұрын
@@nedludd7622 Yes, it always is. What I'm saying is that by focusing in the positive teachings, they approach the gospel as a mostly philosophical discussion. Which is valid. The Bible is not only the blood spraying of the old testament. There are some good topics. Could they get the same lessons anywhere else? Sure. The Bible is not *the* source of morality. Socrates, Plato, Aristoteles, even Esopo's tales. It is our job to evaluate what is good, and disregard what is not valid, on every information we receive. Not mattering the source. Even because there is no thing like absolute truth, since we don't have absolute information to evaluate that.
@josephbelisle5792
@josephbelisle5792 24 күн бұрын
I have CPTSD. A fair portion from religious trauma. In my effort to heal this illness if found that not only did I complete my journey to atheism as I could not find a god anywhere, inside or out, and not only did I find that deconstruction, so far, is never complete, but also that we have no free will. You can make all the philosophical and religious arguments you want but those who think we do are just not aware enough of how much everything that has gone into making us who we are determines who we are and what we do. In figuring out who I am, what it was that gave me my mental illness, studying it, understanding it, it makes you realize that everything Ive done I was going to do because of all these factors. Addictioms arema goodmexample. We look down on people with addictions as if they made a choice to fail themselves when in truth it is a survival technique without which they would have already died. Its not weakness. Its trying to stay alive. Their life conditions made this their need. They made it necessary for them to have an addiction. Great video.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 23 күн бұрын
I've just responded to two people who were free will advocates with basically this same point. I couldn't agree with this comment more. I wish I could like it a million times!!! I hope you're doing well now. And thank you for taking the time to comment - and for being so incredibly eloquent!!!
@KeithCooper-Albuquerque
@KeithCooper-Albuquerque 24 күн бұрын
Great video, Brian!
@carlasmith9093
@carlasmith9093 24 күн бұрын
This was beautiful, insightful, and necessary.
@kellypreston8933
@kellypreston8933 24 күн бұрын
Though we all come by chance with no control over who we are, many humans act like they were in control, and use that lie to keep others down, like religion.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
Amen!!!
@jerryhayes9497
@jerryhayes9497 24 күн бұрын
Excellent video as always 🎉🎉🎉
@apathyguy8338
@apathyguy8338 24 күн бұрын
You know I hadn't thought about it in a long time but when I was a kid conservatives did encourage me to do a lot of reading. Sad that nowadays they don't want children to even have the skill.
@c.k.8412
@c.k.8412 24 күн бұрын
To do things for others because you can see yourself in those you help. Work in any way you can to lessen suffering and do what you can to help others flourish. One can do these things without any kind of god watching over your shoulder.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
I wish I could like and love this comment a thousand times!
@tsites1
@tsites1 24 күн бұрын
One of your best videos
@ronjohnson4566
@ronjohnson4566 24 күн бұрын
thanks me. it was great as usual.
@robinmaclay2661
@robinmaclay2661 23 күн бұрын
You mentioned many authors and ideas that are dear to me. And made me cry somehow.
@patrickmclaren4360
@patrickmclaren4360 24 күн бұрын
I doubt that I'll have that entire reading assignment done before the next video so please have some empathy on us that don't 😂
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
LOL!!!
@shriggs55
@shriggs55 24 күн бұрын
It cannot be overestimated the role and power of emotionalism in the evangelical churches today-especially the charismatic churches.Much of the worship music is geared towards stirring up the emotions of the audience, leading many attendees in the audience to think they're "experiencing God's presence" when all it is is an emotional buzz.Even preachers will use emotional cues in their sermons because they know the effect it has on people, and it gives them an excuse for not always being accurate or consistent in their preaching.Trump is especially good at using emotionalism as a tool when he makes extreme statements just to get a rise from his constituency, who for the most part are sensitive and even hyper-sensitive people.Apologists, instead of providing evidence for the existence of their God, will appeal to such things as life having no meaning without god or there is no true morality without Jesus.All emotional appeals.
@martifingers
@martifingers 24 күн бұрын
Yes I totally agree about the central importance of emotion and the dynamics of it really need more analysis. I would guess that fear is a major element that is being channelled and assuaged in various ways.
@mcarp555
@mcarp555 24 күн бұрын
Well put, Bri guy.
@DenisLoubet
@DenisLoubet 24 күн бұрын
I've been working up emotional arguments against Christianity because the logical ones may not have the traction we need. It's fun!
@TalentedLMT
@TalentedLMT 24 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
Bless you!!! Seriously. I’m sending you blessings!
@TalentedLMT
@TalentedLMT 24 күн бұрын
@@misterdeity dude, seriously, that’s a lot, coming from you! You’re awesome!
@woodsonchem
@woodsonchem 24 күн бұрын
good job
@JimmyTuxTv
@JimmyTuxTv 24 күн бұрын
A help in this world for me was a bit advice, if you moved to a country you didn’t know the language of you don’t instantly unlearn English. The same mental language of hell always remains when you leave Christianity. Just like the mental learning of the new language so to is learning the language hell doesn’t matter, because it doesn’t even exist.
@ushere5791
@ushere5791 24 күн бұрын
tyvm!
@calvinwithun6512
@calvinwithun6512 23 күн бұрын
Way of the Mister Quickie. Don't worry, Mister Deity is just gonna... give you a little quickie :)
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley 24 күн бұрын
The teachings of Jesus regarding the sick and the poor contradict the claim of a compassionate loving all powerful creator and Intelligent Designer that could create a perfect world free of suffering. This is why the New Testament was written to soften the cruel nature of the old god Yahweh.
@user-qy3xu9hg2j
@user-qy3xu9hg2j 22 күн бұрын
This side of the pond, the Church of England and other denominations do try to promote the good values. There may be an element of self preservation involved, but it certainly leads to a tolerance of their existence, despite more than 50% of the population being either atheist or nones.
@Giuvannuzzeddu
@Giuvannuzzeddu 24 күн бұрын
Teachings vs. Creed
@moonshoes11
@moonshoes11 24 күн бұрын
Oh ya.
@nicosteffen364
@nicosteffen364 24 күн бұрын
There should be no religion class, it should be an ethics class! Plus Mediacompetence!
@loonyman83
@loonyman83 24 күн бұрын
love the work man. Great video as usual.
@katherineg9396
@katherineg9396 24 күн бұрын
Thanks for this video, sometimes I forget that there is anything wise ir kind in the Bible.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
Thanks so much, Katherine! I’m sending you endless indulgences! Sin away!!! Just don’t hurt anyone or steal anything.
@Angua-tu3ot
@Angua-tu3ot 24 күн бұрын
💜
@Worldbuilder
@Worldbuilder 24 күн бұрын
Austin. I’m a fan of Austin, too… 😂
@ptgannon1
@ptgannon1 Ай бұрын
The stories didn't stick because we were required to believe them, along with all the nonsense, upon penalty of eternal conscious torment in fire. In other words, it became a religion of FEAR and extortion (believe or burn). Fear is problematic for critical thinking, so it became a religion of hostility to the other. Losing that FEAR, and invoking critical thinking changed my life for the better in all sorts of ways.
@unclejohnny863
@unclejohnny863 24 күн бұрын
😊😊😊😊😊
@dawndead9591
@dawndead9591 19 күн бұрын
I dig you book referrals, and once upon a Time (Magazine) cut WFB Jr., National Review, and Firing Line far too much slack (even attempted reading God & Man at Yale) until I went hard Vidalian. Still, nobody worked a pencil and a pause like Willy. Got to rely on George Will and Cal Thomas for sphincter clenching these days. Fox News induced rictus is eventually fatal if taken unfiltered.
@chrisgreen8803
@chrisgreen8803 24 күн бұрын
Comment for the KZfaq
@darthvirgin7157
@darthvirgin7157 24 күн бұрын
one thing for sure….deconstructing from MAGAturdism will most likely be just as difficult.
@jamestatum515
@jamestatum515 24 күн бұрын
Wholeheartedly agree Mr. Diety! It's a shame the Christianity has ignored those compassionate parables. Maybe Christianity worships the Old Testament God rather than the New Testament god.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 23 күн бұрын
I think that's a brilliant observation and spot on! He's so much easier to follow. So much more human!
@marcdc6809
@marcdc6809 24 күн бұрын
my mother was catholic, I called a priest to give her the last rites, and I asked the priest to read the Good Samaritan at her funeral. It was fitting for how she lived her life, but it also felt good because according to some Samaritans don't go to heaven...
@archivist17
@archivist17 24 күн бұрын
Aristotle!! 🤣😂🤣
@mythosboy
@mythosboy 24 күн бұрын
Same boat with respect to mental illness. Same conclusions about empathy and the distressing lack of agency in so much that we do, the place of luck... Many of the same books too. Stop following me! Anyway, thanks again.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
Brother or Sister from another mother?
@mythosboy
@mythosboy 24 күн бұрын
@@misterdeity Brother. And though my tribe is occasionally exclusive, we've also been around a while, covering a lot of ground. Plenty of strange places and people in the mix. So, Shalom!
@aaronshropshire8552
@aaronshropshire8552 21 күн бұрын
🤘
@poduck2
@poduck2 24 күн бұрын
I'm not sure what you mean at the end there. I was brought up as a morning, just like you were, and empathy was high on the list of things I was taught. Not so much by the church, but by my very Mormon family. We were punished if we spoke badly about anyone. If we were forced to say negative things about people that had harmed us, or others, we always had to couch it in the most positive light we could find. I actually think that was too extreme. There are people that are dangerous to associate with, and you shouldn't sugar coat the reasons why.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
Well, as a Formon (or Formorning?), you know that Mormons looked down on all kinds of people - homosexuals, women, Black people (even after the ban was lifted). And in general, they often preferred the harsh judgments of the Hebrew god to the more empathetic teachings of non-apocalyptic Jesus.
@poduck2
@poduck2 24 күн бұрын
@@misterdeity I see a great deal of irony with how you are looking at members of the Mormon church. You have been one, so I would think you could empathize with how they were brought up and taught more than others can. I bet that if you look at yourself, and realize that you are still a product of what you were taught in that church, and that you weren't this empathy lacking person to those groups that you want to portray Mormons as being before you became an atheist, and it's likely that most other members aren't either. I could be wrong about you, but you come off as a kind and generally soft spoken person in your videos. I would be extremely surprised if you ever held any strong disdain of anyone who hadn't personally wronged you or someone else, but you were brought up in the LDS church. Did you drastically change after you stopped believing, or were you brought up to be the way you are? I say just think about it. You might find more empathy inside yourself than you thought you had already, and that empathy will help you understand that other people may have more empathy than you give them credit for.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
@@poduck2 It’s not about some overt hatred towards any particular group. It’s about the underlying biases that are built into a religion which, for a century and a half, had champion the inferiority of Black people - and the holy book which called Black skin a curse from God; who had told you with their actions and who was allowed to hold power, that women were inferior; and that anyone who was not heterosexual was wicked and in defiance of all that was good and right - along with my masturbation LOL. Combine that with the Republican party I grew up with, and you have a powder keg of bias that looks down on a whole lotta people. Yes, I had to reorient my brain quite a bit. While keeping the good I learned as a Mormon. And there was a lot of good as well. I’m not saying there wasn’t.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
@@poduck2 I remember one incident which had a tremendous impact on me when I was young. One of the girls in our ward married a Black man. The talk I overheard about that from adults and Church leaders as I listened to their conversations was atrocious looking back on it. But that’s not how I saw it at the time. I just thought ill of anyone who would marry a Black person. And their comments made it clear that being Black was a bad thing. My parents also owned the book, “The Church and the Negro,“ which I read later and bought into when I really got my testimony at 17.
@poduck2
@poduck2 24 күн бұрын
@@misterdeity It appears our circumstances were similar in some ways and different in others. It would probably be very interesting to have a conversation with you, and compare the differences in how we were brought up in the church. It always fascinates me how different all of us ex-Mormons are from each other, when it comes to what we believe the church taught us, yet we are very similar in other ways. I don't think we will get anything magnificent sorted out here in the KZfaq comments, but I'll tell you that I had an entirely different experience than you did. I grew up with my two best friends being black while I lived in Texas, and never heard a snide remark come from anyone in my family. My mom became friends with their moms, and we all did all sorts of things with our families together. The teachings I did get about people of color were actually not given in a way that were made to make us white kids feel superior to other races. It might have helped that I was only 3 years old in 1976, so I was blissfully unaware of any controversy at that time. I always thought that the church put women on a pedestal. Often I thought that pedestal might be too high. Later, I found that to be a complete misconception, especially when it came to the church leadership, but that's too long of a story. I never found myself caring much one way or the other about homosexuals, probably because I never knew any homosexuals until after I left the church, and I really don't remember the subject coming up in church. My family was overall not political, which allowed me to choose my own path. I decided that I was a libertarian that was too cool for the Libertarian party, and I just felt that the government should never be legislating morality, because governments shouldn't exist at all. Nothing about that has to change if you don't believe in gods. All in all, I really didn't have too much to change about how I thought after I became an atheist. There was obviously some change, because I used to suffer greatly from depression. While there would be ups and downs, pretty much from the time I was 15, until I stopped believing at 28, I was always battling. As soon as I realized there wasn't a god out there that was ignoring my pain, and realized that I was on my own to make my life better, I stopped feeling depressed, and now, 22 years later, I love life, and haven't had another bout of debilitating depression since. Anyway Brian, thank you for your videos. I have enjoyed your sense of humor, common sense, and drama over the years, even when I disagree. I hope all the best for you sir.
@Freespiritannet
@Freespiritannet 24 күн бұрын
The hardest part for me is losing friends and relationships over religion. Even the ones I do have the conversation about religion is never welcomed because they are always right and I’m just evil in their eyes. How did you get over that?
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
I lost almost all my Mormon friends. Most of the others were Jewish or agnostic and didn’t care about my religiosity. Your situation sounds really difficult. My heart goes out to you.
@UncleKennysPlace
@UncleKennysPlace 24 күн бұрын
Hilariously, I lost many of my friends when I stopped drinking. It was mainly because I realized I was hanging out with a bunch of drunk people. I've also had three relationships terminate, when the women figured out that they couldn't get me all Jesused.
@Freespiritannet
@Freespiritannet 24 күн бұрын
Thank you for your reply! I am a big fun. Honestly it’s true, despite the sadness of losing a community. I do feel like I’m better off since I am being true to myself. It had got to the point where I started feeling like I was being annoying for asking questions, but the reason I kept asking questions was because every question I asked was never getting answers. Even my mentor seemed clueless. Always saying “ you just gotta tassel with the questions and trust god” just a bunch of nonsense 🤦🏾‍♀️
@ralphspiegl
@ralphspiegl 24 күн бұрын
hi
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
Howdy!
@PaulTheSkeptic
@PaulTheSkeptic 24 күн бұрын
I don't really know if we have free will and I don't really care all that much. But Philosophy Engineered makes a damned good case for it. Or for a brand of it anyway. So, I'm not SO quick to jump on the no free will bandwagon but it hardly seems important if there's some obscure and deeply philosophical way in which we don't. In ways that matter we do. Like "Did you do this under your own free will or was someone holding a gun to your head?" In that sense I think we do. Different philosophers make their case for their own specific kind each claiming their own version is the important version. So there are different ways to think about it. Different flavors. Just watch his video about it. "The Problem With Free Will and How to Solve It" That's pretty much how I feel.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 23 күн бұрын
I will do that. My claim is simple: We don't freely choose anything that makes us who we are, or want what we want - genes (hair/skin color, predispositions, talents, intelligence, height, basic health, gender, sexual proclivities and interests, etc...), parents, time and place of birth, life experiences, etc... We didn't even freely choose to exist. And we now know just how much of our mental processes run in the background of the subconscious, giving us neither control nor even awareness. All of these things, over which we've never had any control or say, make us the person who wants x over y. All of those things determine who we are. Whatever choice you make is the end result of all these various forces which made you you. Can an unbeliever choose to become a believer? Can a strictly heterosexual man want the sexual attention of another man? Can a chocolate lover genuinely choose to prefer vanilla ice cream? We want what we want because of who we are. And who we are is not a choice we made freely.
@PaulTheSkeptic
@PaulTheSkeptic 23 күн бұрын
@@misterdeity Right but the negation of doing as you please is the very definition of suspending free will. Therefore doing what we desire is exercising our free will. Often in philosophy you reverse it to see if the reverse still holds true. And if you're tied up and not allowed to leave, if you want to leave, that's the suspension of free will. Also, you mentioned talents. That's definitely an act of will. I'm a musician and there was a time in my life when I wasn't interested in music. I worked hard to learn music. I believe in natural proclivities somewhat. We see savants that can somehow just play music which is astounding. So it must be true to some extent. But it takes hard work for the rest of us. There was another time in which I decided to get more serious about practicing and becoming more of a pro. Btw, if you want you can check out my music channel. My stage name is Murphy Slaw but there's another guy with that name. My avatar is a hat and a harmonica.
@MurphySlawsMusic
@MurphySlawsMusic 23 күн бұрын
@@misterdeity Here I am. That'll make it easier for you.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 23 күн бұрын
@@PaulTheSkeptic There's a deeper level for me. It's not free will if you didn't freely choose what you desire. And we don't. We are all simply machines of want and need. And those wants and needs are determined. As someone who taught guitar, I can tell you that there are people who desperately wanted to play guitar well, but would never be any good because they didn't have the raw ability. No amount of will would change that. Saw the opposite too - people with crazy talent who had no will to achieve the greatness they could have realized. Your tied up analogy is perfect! We're all tied up being us. We can't choose to be someone we're not. We can't choose to look different, have different talents, interests, have a different background, formative experiences... parents!!! - all the things that have made us who we are. We can't believe what we don't believe or want what we don't want. We are simply beings responding to stimuli based on a whole host of factors over which we had no choice or control. We didn't even get the choice to be or not to be in the first place. That it feels otherwise should not deter us from the reality. I really liked the "Ballad of Donald Trump." Very clever lyrics!
@PaulTheSkeptic
@PaulTheSkeptic 23 күн бұрын
@@misterdeity Thank you. Arlo Guthrie is a huge inspiration and I think you can really hear it in that one.
@rimmersbryggeri
@rimmersbryggeri 23 күн бұрын
I define who you are as the things you have control over like faith musical tastes attitudes to others etc and what we are as skin colour genetics sexuality etc, well maybe you can pretend to change some of them but it will be utterly devastating and "soul" destroying.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 23 күн бұрын
I don't understand this comment. Perhaps you can use punctuation next time(?). It's a genuinely useful thing. Please try again.
@billmcdonald4335
@billmcdonald4335 24 күн бұрын
Clicked coz I thought U woz gonna talk about that fella from The Talking Heads. Looked like him in the thumbnail. Talk about bein' on the Road To Nowhere. . . same as it ever was. . . [sigh]
@alanhilder1883
@alanhilder1883 24 күн бұрын
Free Will... Well I think free Willy had something to do with Clinton.
@RialVestro
@RialVestro 24 күн бұрын
As someone who has DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder) I have to disagree with you on that point. Mental Illness does not negate free will. While there are some things we have zero control over such as what parents we'll end up with, what school we'll attend in early childhood, what doctors we'll see, ect. all of which can either positively or negatively effect us emotionally and mentally there are things we DO have control over. If there was no such thing as free will the concept of consent could not exist either. You can't have consent without free will. So if there's no free will then all sex is rape because if rape is defined by a lack of consent and that doesn't exist, then there can't be any consensual sex. It actually gets worse than that because if there's no such thing as free will than criminals can't be held accountable for their crimes. Trying to charge a person for mass murder would be like trying to charge a volcano, a tornado, an Earth quake, or a tsunami for the same crime. The thing that makes a human murderer guilty of committing a crime is that people are capable of understanding the damage that they caused, they're capable of thought, they could have chosen another path but didn't. A tornado however is not an entity capable of thought, it doesn't get to choose it's path, it's not aware of the destruction it's causing. To say there's no free will is essentially to claim there's no difference between Hitler and the Volcano in Pompeii. Free will does not mean that you should be able to just choose to NOT be mentally ill. What it does mean is that you get to choose how you want to treat and manage that illness. It's not complete freedom or no freedom at all, it's just the capacity for thought and choice. I will say however that God did not give us Free Will, it exists interdependently of God. And in fact the idea of an all knowing God who has a plan for everyone is contradictory to Free Will. Cause for God to have a greater plan and already know how our lives are going to go would require Free Will to not exist. We'd all be doing things in exact accordance to his plan. It can be one or the other, either we have free will or everything is predestined by God, but it can't be both. If there is free will than not everything happens for a reason and there is no plan. If everything happens for a reason in accordance to God's plan then there is no Free Will. The only way for there not to be free will is if God does actually exist and destiny was a thing only he had the power to choose. But I don't believe in destiny just as I don't believe in God.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 24 күн бұрын
You’re confusing making a choice with being able to freely make the choice. I can give consent for something realizing that I’m making the choice I’m making because of an infinite series of contingent events which caused me to make the decision I made, over which I had no say or control.
@JaniceLHz
@JaniceLHz 24 күн бұрын
I agree with Mr Deity that one can have agency without having free will. They are related but not identical.
@RialVestro
@RialVestro 24 күн бұрын
@@misterdeity I don't think there even is anything to confuse. A choice is inherently a free choice otherwise it's not a choice at all. I think what you're describing is coercion. If there is something over which you have no say or control which forced you to make a choice you didn't actually want then you didn't actually make a choice you were forced to respond in a way someone else wanted you to. To completely negate free will would mean that choice itself is an illusion we don't actually have. But again, I don't believe God gave us free will, I think that the idea of a God and free will completely contradict each other.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 23 күн бұрын
​@@RialVestro You think you actually choose to want what you want? LOL!!! If you're a strictly heterosexual man, can you choose to want the sexual attention of another man? More simply, if you prefer chocolate ice cream to vanilla, can you choose to prefer vanilla and genuinely prefer it? I hate to tell you this, but there is nothing about you that is free. You didn't even freely choose to be here. Life does not have your consent. And remember, where there is no consent, there is no freedom. Then, you didn't freely consent to any of the things that make you you. Your genes - which determine so much about you, from your skin and hair color, to your intelligence, to your temperament, to your height, proclivities, talents, etc... You didn't freely choose your parents, the time and place into which you were born (which greatly limits and directs your choices). The various experiences which mold you into the person you are - none of these things were freely chosen by you. You are merely a reactor. And you react based on how all of those various elements come together to make you the person you are. All of these things make you the person who wants x over y, who prefers a over b. You freely chose none of them. And we haven't even gotten to all the mental processes which run in the background in your subconscious, of which you're not even slightly aware. All of these things make you the person who makes choice x or y. If you want to call that coercion, that works for me. On a more day-to-day level, we even know that tangential things, like whether you've had lunch, or whether you're crazy hungry, will make you choose x over y. There's just so much that goes into making any choice, of which we have no conscious awareness, that the possibility of free will is not even on the table.
@RialVestro
@RialVestro 20 күн бұрын
@@misterdeity You seem to be confused by the word "free" to mean without limitation or consequence but that's not what it means and it's literally impossible to have that unless you're the only person in the universe with any conscious thought and everyone else is just an NPC. So if that's what you mean by no free will then you're right it's not "free" in that sense. But that's not what it means to have free will. Without free will it's not possible to want or choose anything. If you were simply reacting then we could accurately predict the reaction before it happens. If you push a rock down a hill we know that the rock is going to move along a set path until it loses momentum or comes in contact with another object that stops it's movement. We know it's not going to make a U-turn and roll back up the hill because it's a rock, it has no agency with which to change direction like that. If you push a person down the hill you can't accurately predict the reaction because a person does have agency. You could get as many different reactions as there are people, that's what it means to have free will, without that, you can't want or choose anything, you'd by like the rocks because that's what no free will looks like. How do you think you left Mormonism if you don't have free will? I know the story behind it, I've heard you talk about it before, that's not what I'm asking. What I'm saying is that by your own logic because you were born into the Mormon religion of which you had no choice then all of the decisions you did make later in life that lead you out of that religion never could have happened and you'd still be a Mormon. Mister Deity wouldn't exist without your free will to make those decisions. A version of Brian Keith Dalton without free will would still be a Mormon and nothing could ever change that. God didn't give you free will, you gave yourself free will when you left Mormonism. It's ironic you think free will doesn't exist when you wouldn't be who you are right now without it.
@subductionzone
@subductionzone 23 күн бұрын
At the end you gave the major problem with biblical literalism. Jesus was rather advanced morally for his time. He would even be morally advanced today. I do not totally disparage Christianity because there are still some good parts to it. But one thing I have seen is that biblical iteralists always seem to be the worst of Christians. They will follow all of the evil teachings of the Bible and ignore the few moral teachings that it has.
@knarf_on_a_bike
@knarf_on_a_bike 24 күн бұрын
No, no, no. It's not "blessed are the peacemakers", it's "blessed are the CHEESEmakers". . .
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 23 күн бұрын
Gotta love the Python boys!
@CafeteriaCatholic
@CafeteriaCatholic 21 күн бұрын
What's so special about the cheesemakers?
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