Really feel like Mufasa would have protected Kovu, Vitani, and probably even Nuka so Simba not doing it was actually surprising for me.

Nuka was the most brainwashed of Zira's three children.

In thinking about the moment where Zira offers up Kovu, there's something else that should be pointed-out. This scene could be seen in two different ways: One way to view it is that Zira was playing head-games and was trying to see that if Simba took Kovu with him then she could've gone back to her pride saying that Simba took Kovu while not mentioning that she urged him to do it and was going to try to play innocent with her fellow lions. In telling them that Simba took Kovu, this would have only angered the outlanders even more and it would also be something to hold over Simba's head for the rest of his life. However, the second way to look at this is from Kovu's perspective. Remember that Kovu at this moment in the film is a terrified little cub and to him at this stage in his life, Simba is gigantic, powerful and fearsome. To Kovu this is Zira sticking that terrifying mental image of Simba in his mind accompanied with all of the horrible stories that she's told of him. And in addition to these facts are the facts that Simba is the King-the ruler-, that both he and his mother are in Simba's land and that the pride-landers are loyal to Simba and have the outlanders greatly out numbered and furthermore unlike Simba who had back-up with him, Zira didn't bring any support which meant that had there been a fight, she could have easily very lost. All of this is subliminally saying to Kovu that this is your opponent (your enemy) and if he wanted to, he could very easily destroy you and your mother. By doing so, this is Zira's way of controlling and manipulating her son in order to help shape him into the killer heir that she wanted. So really from both angles Zira is playing head-games with both Simba and Kovu.

That’s not a king that’s a fuzzy maraca!!!

I honestly as a kid I thought she was saying, “simba u wanna punching bag?”

Simba would've warmed up to Kovu a lot quicker, learning that Kovu is not like Scar.

I believe this outcome would've also been more possible if Kiara intervened and told Simba that Kovu saved her from the crocodiles This will make a very interesting AU and storyline

I always thought that the penalty was that Simba was supposed to kill Kovu because Simba said pound of Flesh. But Simba did not have the heart to kill a child

Just remember that when Simba banished the Outsiders, including Kovu, because just from looking at young Kovu Simba saw Scar, the one lion who traumatized him for life

Fun Fact: Kovu is the chosen heir of Scar, but Kovu's NOT the biological son of Scar. Nuka and Kovu both said that. Nuka said that to Vatani and Kovu said that to Kiara. So it was said twice in the Lion King 2 Simba's Pride. It's my favorite movie and the best sequel to this day Disney has ever created but Frozen 2 and the two sequels to High School Musical are a close second though high school musical 2 is the best out of the two sequels.

I’m pretty sure when Zira offered up Kovu to Simba “if you need your pound of flesh” I think she meant for him to die and Simba isn’t that cruel that’s why he didn’t take him because I don’t think that’s what Zira meant to begin with she was offering him as some sort of sacrifice

I see Scar a lot in Nuka, rather than Kovu.

Wait, isn't the scene about Zira offering up Kovu about her telling Simba that he can kill Kovu if he has the guts? She knew he didn't, but I think it was a fun psychological mind game for her.

Kiara ad every right to tell Simba that he'll never be like Mufasa because he isn't Mufasa. He's been trying so hard to protect the pride lands like his father did he ends up becoming someone he's not. He shouldn't be like his father he should be himself.

We need a backstory on how Zira rebelled against Simba.

Simba taking kovu as a cub would have made zira attack pride rock sooner and make the Outland lioness realize that zira was a bad ruler even quicker.

Kovu had subtly said in the film that he didn’t want any part of Scar’s affairs. I agree that Simba could’ve given him a chance earlier.

Simba shouldn't assume nor Judge what Kovu was gonna become. every time Simba looked at Kovu, all he saw was Scar in his eyes. Simba is smarter than that. Mufasa would never treat Kovu the way Simba did. Simba should have not and learned how Kovu was forged and Mauled by Zira. seeing that Zira was the ONE turning Kovu into his enemy, Zira was Treating Kovu as if he was some trained soldier but at such a younger cub age.

"That's not a king! That's a fuzzy maraca!" Best cinematic line ever, of all time

Don't forget: Nuka actually _is_ Scar's son.

I have often wondered what it would've been like if Simba had taken Kovu into his pride and he would've practically raised Kovu, but if that had happened then Kovu and Kiara would've become more like siblings than lovers.

Well it would’ve been nice to see Simba welcome Kovu into the pride lands sooner then later. He could’ve adopted him into the pride since Kovu never felt like he’s family was never a family to him.

Kovu would have turned out different if Simba protected Kovu from his mother Zira.

I thought first Zira offered Simba to kill Kovu in the beggining because that what's male lions does with outsider/unknown cubs

As a kid I always thought Nuka was Scar's actually child but he chose Kovu & that's why Nuka is kind of bitter & jealous of him

Wonder about Nessy a monster from the future. Or a survivor of the best . The dinosaurs didn't extinct till millions of years later . But in the future they say Nessy was banished maybe both . Maybe interbred with real pleasiosaurs sittings of Nessy go back to 15th century & of course in Scotland see connections . Maybe she had a long life span or maybe same reason Mike &the multi eyed kid from collage look exactly like their mothers and no father . Matching automatic parthenogenosis . So maybe she could started a population the same way kamo dragons would . Maybe those see monsters started with single monster banished from the future who either interbred with humans why they have a human side . But watching on its own. I would have guessed the sea monsters were humans with ability to turn into sea monsters . And that would create more Incredible connections . Maybe some Aqua man like powers. But ability to talk to fish would make it to much little mermaid and point of Finding Nemo was to call a big BS on sabashin's under the sea happy life song . I can sea by interactions the sea monsters can talk to fish just fish can't talk back . Back to main rant . Maybe to possible connections aren"t so incomparable what if the superhumans in general all of them are monster human hybrids . Maybe the monster jackjack turns into is what his grand father looked like no . Would you or should I say they want to have 😘 with something piosioness to you . Back to the drawing board with ness in 15 century Scotland maybe the reason boo was in that time&place . In a short offering spells she mentioned abliry to breathe under water .in early days of Pixar theory I instantly thought people did take breathe under water became the fish in finding Nemo . And later people got tired of those. Games demanded to be straight with just the powers . Mr Incredible has stragnthe of more then 10 men in form of a human . Maybe so who wish breath under water just became more aquatic when under water and human again when dry . .those animal powers Super powers and monster power all look so similar Hank Violet &Randell . . But ironic how fusterating this is . The very Trailer connecting this all . Is called Turning red .

I personally believe Simba would not let Zira’s kids back in because: 1) he was so paranoid about Scar somehow happening again and 2) he was trying way too hard to be exactly like Mufasa. Which by the way, he should NOT have done. He should have just been himself and done things his own way. Fanfiction writers will say it’s because Zira killed (or tried to kill) Kopa, and I think that does make a good story concept, if you accept Kopa as canon (I do).

1] When I was a kid and saw this movie for the first time, I assumed that Nuka was Scar's biological son, which would continue the cycle of brotherly jealousy. I also thought that Kovu and Vitani were twins, conceived after Scar saw how sickly/unworthy his own child was and advised Zira to find a different sire for her next cub. He probably killed that other lion, once the pregnancy was accomplished. Both aspects seem like the type of cold-hearted thing(s) he would've done. 2] I've always had two "what if" scenarios in my mind, related to how the story could've turned out differently: *Everything plays out the same, right up until the moment where Simba says that he'd like to talk with Kovu in private. I've imagined Kovu replying that he actually needed to talk with everyone, and he'd go on to explain his mother's plan to Kiara and her parents, as well as Zazu, Timon, and Pumbaa. Shocked by what he'd hear, along with now being fully-assured of Kovu's true character, Simba would gather his lionesses and set out to meet Zira and her pride. Completely unaware, Zira, Nuka, Vitani, and the rest would approach Simba and Kovu and taunt them as before. As they are about to pounce, the Pride Land lionesses, including Nala and Kiara, would jump out of the bushes. There would be no misguided banishment scene, and the battle would probably take place much sooner. Because of the unexpected counter-ambush, though, it would probably be broken up in two. Zira and her group would temporarily retreat. Nuka would probably still be fatally injured, but in a different way, and despite still following her mother, Vitani would now begin to realize how warped Zira's quest for vengeance truly was. After that, events would probably play out pretty close to what happened in the movie. *Kovu could've run away from the Outlands during his cub-hood, probably soon after the chaotic first meeting with Simba and the rest of his pride. I can picture the little guy, waking up in the middle of the night and looking around at the sleeping pride. He'd focus hard on his mother, and everything she'd been trying to teach him would rush through his brain. He'd think about the fun he had with Kiara, the looks of love that her parents gave her, and how he'd never felt that from Zira before. Stewing over this, he'd begin to cry, and he'd make his decision. As quiet as possible, he would sneak through the desert to the border between the Outlands and the Pride Lands. He'd believe that he stood a better chance at appealing to Simba directly and privately, knowing that the king was clearly unwilling to harm a child. He'd climb up the side of Pride Rock, and like in the original timeline in adulthood, he'd find a spot near the mouth of the main cave to sleep. Simba would, of course, find him in the morning, and after hearing his shout, Nala and Kiara would be at his side in seconds. Kiara would be happy to see Kovu again, and from there would begin the story and begging to stay. After some serious cajoling, most of it off to the side from Nala, Simba would prove Kovu's hope to be justified, and he'd take the cub in. Even within this, there are two mini-paths the story could take, and they originate from whether or not Vitani would follow her brother to the Pride Lands. She might wake up and discover him, leaving. They'd have a brief, but deep conversation, and she would decide whether to stay or go. The creative side of my brain goes fuzzy from there. (7/21/2021)

Kovu and Kiara would definitely work together to reunite the Outsiders with the Pride Landers. Vitani would still definitely be the first of the Outsiders to see the truth in Kovu and Kiara helping to give the realization that as Lions, they are one. And so, that would definitely lead to the Outsiders deciding to choose a better life in the Pride Lands.

I thought about this SO many times. I think Kovu would've had a healthier childhood and he still would've ended up at Kiara's side as her mate.

Simba would've died protecting him.

I was just listening to “ spirit “ from the live action lion king 💖💖💖💖 I thought I was havin a good day but Isaac turned it into a great day

The scene where Kiara points out to Simba that they are one and the same has such a beautiful meaning. I know we can apply that mindset to humans as well. We may be different, but we are one.

Lion king 2 is on of my favorite Disney movie sequels thanks for making a theory on it

The irony in the song “not one lf us” is the line “ someone once lied to us now we’re not so blind”. Yes Simba was blind blind by hatred h that he didnt see that Kovu tried to help him fight the outlanders and never too chances to kill him. Kovu was by the log pile and could have knocked it over so it will kill Si ba like it did Nuka but Kuvu never attacked

2:16-2:20, I thought she was giving Kovu to Simba to kill him or something.

Just because someone looks like someone who's bad, doesn't mean they will be bad, even if they are related to a bad person, like a family tree.

Please make a video about the King Triton family tree

Simba acted more like Scar than he realized, Mufasa would've been more understanding

I dont think Zira was offering for Simba to take Kovu in, she was telling Simba to kill Kovu since that's the penalty but Zira knew he wouldn't kill a child.

I actually came up with a similar idea to this, using a dream of the future to have Simba aware of what would happen to Kovu if he left with Zira. Having dreamed of the future and determined to change it, Simba takes in Kovu to be Kiara's friend from the beginning. To be fair, this was before I was even aware of the Lion Guard so I had no way of having Kion or anyone else in that show being relevant. I never got around to posting it, but the idea was in my head long enough to write it down... to an extent.

Hey, Issac, I have a suggestion, do one on Brother Bear, do “What if Koda was able to tell Kenai about his mother’s disappearance sooner”

When you think about it, Kovu is the closest we're probably going to get to Kopa in the Lion King animated universe.

If Simba protected and raised Kovu from his abusive mother Zira, Kovu would still want to unite the two prides together because Zira was still Kovu's mother

Please do a video about Princess Ariel's grandmother

First movie Hamlet, second movie Romeo, and Juliet. I applaud the movie creators to easily explain Shakespeare's classic plays to little kids.

that one dislike is probably zira

What if Kopa was in Lion King 2?

You know what is interesting the first song after the opening is We are one then followed by Not one of us! The world feels like a lion king 2 movie. 😂 Disney was warning us about the instability in our world

3:10 he was trying to protect kiara he was very overprotective The people who say simba was out of character in the lion guard clearly have never seen TLK2

I love the idea that Scar was a good father to Nuka, despite everything, and that being part of the reason why Nuka was so loyal. Nuka was oldest of the cubs so he could have had some memories of him. I know there's nothing to back that notion up, but I like it because it gives Scar more layers than him being awful to everyone. Perhaps Nuka was born physically weak and that's why Scar chose Kovu over him.

What if Simba saved Kopa?

Fun fact: Nuka is the only cub zira has that is Not Adopted

I always thought when Zira said "if you need your pound of flesh, here" she meant that whatever penalty that met an outsider stepping foot on the pridelands should be put on Kovu, since she was only coming in to retrieve him. I always thought that was why Simba turned away in disgust, that a mother would offer her son up to violence so quickly. But that was just my interpretation.

Very interesting theory. I definitely think that banishing the Outsiders was not helpful to the circle of life and I always felt uncomfortable that Simba banished Kovu, Vitani, Nuka and Vitani’s Lion Guard (who seem to be around Kovu and Vitani’s age) when they were all just Cubs.

what if zerg and buzz with utility belt help woody save jessie in Toy story 2

i been waiting for his video for a long time thank you isaac

good job. I like hearing your what if scenarios 👍

Mufasa's spirit didn't speak anything, but was clear that he was supportive of his grand-daughter relationship with Kovu. Even Rafiki was surprise about that.😂

I wonder, would Kovu still have a mullet if he went with Simba?

this was a wonderful essay, exactly the kind of thing i subscribed here for years ago

I have been watching you from the beginning you made my childhood thank you 👍

I always wanted a story like this, glad you did this story ☺️

I got on as soon as it got posted but I didn’t click this video

Kiara has a big heart ❤️!

I mean seriously Zira, Kovu and the other outlanders have NO reason to exist when you consider the context of the original movie

Excellent video!

If Kovu was Scar's son, he and Kiara would've been labeled incest.

I hope you do more "What If" scenarios with other Disney stories! So far this video is my favorite!

That confrontation with Zira and Simba is incredibly frightening! that looks like Simba screaming at her for sending kovu near kiara! and Kovu was no longer compared to Scar. Because he's got divorced from Zira and her minions as Scar's tyrany!

I love how at the end of the movie that vitani sided with Simba's pride.

I think if Mufasa was alive, he would’ve taught Simba that helping hopeless little cubs that were forced to do evil, would’ve been better... Zara clearly never cared about Kovu. She only wanted power over simba who never killed scar...only knocking h8m off. I think simba would’ve let scar go, would’ve let scar stay as his own 7ncle...maybe if Mufasa never died, Mufasa would’ve helped simba at the old age of how to be a more wise king, to be a more wise father than he was. Simba lost his father, ran away and came back as a young adult. Poor simba, I agree simba didn’t realize only because of scar...

If Simba had taught Kovu about the awful things Scar did while he was an innocent cub, a lot of issues would have been avoided.

I love your videos sm

Curious to think why Scar didn’t recruit Zira in The Lion Guard. Yes Kovu, Vitani, Nuka and the outsiders were in the show, but only for one episode.

Hey Isaac can you breakdown the trailer of the upcoming Pixar movie turning red, please

Also it would impact the lion guard which you left out

Do Simba's trama next please

The real message of Lion King 2 is not to judge by appearence but to judge by their actions. Simba realized he was wrong about Kovu so he realized that not all lions are bad because of who they are on the outside but Simba didn't learn that until Kiara and Kovu stopped the fighting between the pridelands and the outlanders.

I think the movie did a great job of showcasing Simba's struggle to live up to his father as well as showing Simba's PTSD from the tragedies that Scar caused in his life. From a viewers point, it would have made sense to take in Kovu because we know that he isn't like Scar, but can you really blame Simba for not trusting the heir of his worst enemy? I blame Rafiki for not telling Simba about Mufasa's message to him, I think if Simba had been given the proper counsel he could have found a way to bring peace among the prides before a war broke out. Simba spent the majority of his life as an outcast, he didn't know how to rule, and being better than Scar does not mean you are a good ruler. The movie is so under rated because it just does such a great job of showing Simba's internal conflict as a B plot, and teh A plot showing us that Kovu isn't such a bad guy, it made the movie feel very real.

Please do one video on it was Mufasa that created the great drought out there he died.

Nice job 😊👍

I just love when he talks about the old Disney movies

Keep up awesome on your KZfaq video enjoy it 🦊

How would it affect the lion guard

Oh and one more thing your videos are interesting and awesome I hope we continue to be in a Disney series someday or work on it Disney series Disney

Because you did a video on the relationships of Daisy and Donald and Scrooge and Goldie, can you please do a video explaining Gandra and Fenton's relationship?

maybe a theory about kovu’s real parents

Can you make a video about the back story of the strange lion of the lion guard and why does he look so much like Zira

I respect Kovu. His a good line. Really fun video.

This was a interesting take. I never thought about how things could have different if Simba had taken in Kovu. It’s quite interesting to think about.

Thank you I voted for this one 😊

I really like it when you about about the lion king.

He's AMAZING!

So emotional 😭

I think about Easter eggs for Monsters at Work episode 2 and 3.

U are the best

In retrospect, Simba, for awhile was kind of a closed-minded leader. He could of easily took all the cubs away from them, or better yet, only banish Zerah instead of the other lions who didn't do anything in the first place.

Not sure how you managed it, but you made the movie better than it already was.

Well, that is an interesting perspective. And I think you do make some good points. I suppose I have another question. What if it had been Vitani and not Kovu who Kiara first met? How could things have differed in the story if Kiara had never met Kovu but his sister in their childhood?