Agreed

Paying for the name lol

@@HOTPLATEGAMING 👈 bingo! You're a smart man. 😉

It's all Porsches now. A 911 4S is a $300k cad car with no carbon and the same options as a Camry

@@HOTPLATEGAMING not only - how many Porsche did you drive back to back with other brands? Do it. And you will know why the price tag is where it is. If not - walk away.

I mean realistically this made for families so you're not flooring it that much

m850i would seem better

Totally... Cross Turismo Taycan still exists, which imo better looking. But THERE WAS A LIST...and panamera wagon was on it :( RS6 Avante still exists though

Totally, it was the best looking Panamera

It was killed off because it didn't provide functionally any more storage space (max of 49 vs 47 cubic ft)

@@NOXStellans they killed it off because people just want crossovers and SUVs. They want that extra height.

because people bought the regular one. Sales were very low for the wagon version.

Not really a wagon when it only increases storage by 2 cubic feet.

You can still have Mercedes AMG Wagon and BMW M Wagon - I guess there will be a M5 wagon first time?

Actually no. I have a Panamera Turbo with 65,000 mi on it right now. Zero airbag issues. These cars are rock solid dude. You cannot tell the difference between my car and a brand new one. 65,000. Zero rattles. No faults ever. It's been flawless other than me breaking my My passenger visor clip in below zero weather. Drives in the snow. Jacks itself up like a Subaru.... Has a huge trunk and fold-down rear seats like an SUV.. It's a big car. People don't realize that. It's probably bigger than a cayenne. It's definitely longer than a 957 Cayenne SUV. My car is 550 horsepower and it gets 25 mi to the gallon at 80 mph. That's ridiculous. It's an absolutely spectacular car. The 2024 Panamera turbo S would be the one I would buy brand new. Car does it all. Mine is white with carbon fiber trim. People think it's a 911. They don't even realize it has four doors. That's why I love Porsche. Older ones look new. New ones look new. Porsche is smart.

"Appalling". Sure.

The pricing you mention is if you don’t want to wait, the MSRP’s are significantly less, but it may take a year or two, or a history of multiple purchases to only pay MSRP. The good news is, when demand is strong, the repeat Porsche buyers take delivery on cars that come with equity - not many brands can do that for their customers.

@@bobcortez9471 nah man, it’s msrp too. Like how this car starts at over 150k msrp but you still gotta pay almost another 50k for the same features as something like an RS7 that’s nicer, twice the power, and more features. For perspective the Porsche 911 is the single most profitable car (per unit) of all mass produced cars not counting markups, and Porsche makes more profit per unit on every car than any other mass production brand ever. This is the brand, not the dealerships. It’s also adjusted to be as a percentage so it accounts for different levels of vehicles. Porsche dealers also make the most money because they have the highest markups of any dealers. Not gonna get into that but it’s just getting rly out of hand. Porsche used to be the bridge between sports car and super car, but now they charge high end supercar prices for the same product

Tell that to your dealership..plus Porsche's are becoming next supra and civic so they can't sell Porsche's to anyone to ruin their reputation.. Dealership's are ruining Porsche

That guy answered your question and what u have replied to him has no source whatsoever..

@@samrosen9823 they do it because they can, it's a master class in building brand value....and I don't see it changing, just because it's smarter to buy the Audi doesn't mean people are exclusively doing that, so the buyers are getting something more for their $$$, their other country club folks know they didn't make the value oriented choice?

Actually, most people aren't dumb enough to pay more and get less.. 😉

They may want a Cayenne

If that makes you feel better... There might be more people out there that can afford one than you think.

My car is the cheapest car in my neighborhood... and I drive BMW X4 M40i. They buy Porsche as if its a second-hand corolla. There are lots of rich people out there

Maserati gran Turismo 😈

It will be in 5 years for 35k

​​@@tedarcher9120it wont be. But audi a3 is better than this and starts at that admit it. Less power sure but its plenty and doesnt cost 150k you save well over 100k

@@TheAnnoyingBoss a front wheel drive econobox is the same thing as a rear wheel drive luxury land yacht for sure

@@TheAnnoyingBossAudi a3 better ? 😂😂😂 don’t be so silly that car is shit, this car is amazing feels like your in a cockpit view of a plane ✈️ brilliant car. And by the way it’s not that noisey inside quieter then an Audi trust me

@@danielmcdonald9917 its cleaely the better car in the real world dont be dumb. This panameras goal is robbing you blind for being on the wrong end of the scale of deminishing returns. Richer people own audi a3 than panameras who are rich but become poor by owning them from sheer depriciation

People who buy this car have more money than you can even fathom you poor.

It’s not a talking kind of day

Still trying to convince people that Porsche is an amazing company huh? I noticed you only have two likes. 😂 I get something driving my Plaid you'll never get driving your BMW, respect. No one respects your 340i because it's slow. Everyone respects a car with a thousand horsepower, no matter which company built it. Porsches newest Taycan has a thousand horsepower, I respect that car.. your BMW is a joke. 👈🙄 Did you notice all the GMC Hummers on sale for thousands of dollars off MSRP? I wonder why? 🤔😁😂

@@TheMadmax0609 I don't know if u havent noticed but every reviewer has said great things about the new panamera and their game changing new suspension that is also in the taycan. I see used plaids on auto list selling in the 60s and sitting for 120+ days. No one cares or wants one. Meanwhile bmw m3 and m4s are in the 80s and are hard to find good specs. Go cry in a corner buddy. Ain't no one checking ur car out on the road. U might have to make it some vibrant LGBTQ color if u want to do that like most tesla owners that are begging for some type of head turns.

@@G82Watts just remember, no one respects your little 340i. A Model Y long range can smoke you. 😘 What happened to everyone wanting a Hummer? 👈🤣🤣👏👏👏

@@G82Watts Oh, and just so you know every reviewer said great things about my 1,000 horsepower family sedan too. What's your point? 🤷🤔

@@TheMadmax0609 not joe achillies. I've heard many reviews say the breaks were unbelievablely bad for a car that was that fast and that once ur body is use to the speed it gets boring quickly. Steering gives no feedback feels robotic. Low grade materials. Panel gaps. Depreciation. One trick poney. But yea ur right, not many bad reviews bahahahaha

Isn’t this the s4/s5/a6/a7 Engine? The 443hp version is for Panamera turbo I believe

@@mordredma no. There's a 3.0T in the S4-S5, A6-A7,Q7-Q8. Then there's this 2.9 in the RS5 and...

@@-.__.__.-Rad yup...I have a b9 S5

@@mordredmathe Panamera Turbo is a V8

I’m sure ur local Porsche dealer will gladly accommodate.

Porsche launch control, even “fake launch control”, is in its own league

Can you elaborate?

Agreed. Too many screens and too much piano black. Looks cheap.

​@aithney All that piano black isn't a permanent standard trim. It can be changed. I have dark brushed aluminum trim in mine.

But it remains just a Honda. ;)

@@MauriceBln1 And if you're dumb enough to give $37,000 to Porsche for options you remain screwed 👈😘

@@TheMadmax0609 No, then you simply have enough money. 😆

@@MauriceBln1 Oh I have more than enough money.. I also have brains. Paying $250,000 for a Porsche 911 Turbo S and then having to pay $4,000 extra for lane keep assist and radar guided cruise control is asinine. But I guess a sucker is born every minute. 🤣🤣 I'll stick with my $100k 1020 horsepower self-driving car. You can waste your money on a slow Porsche with zero technology if you want, no one is stopping you. 😘👍

@@TheMadmax0609 Yes, you can tell Santa Claus about that. 🤣🤣 It's obvious that you don't know anything about cars. It's not just about horsepower. But some Americans don't understand that. 😉

Drive both back to back and figure out the difference

@@insayn7995 I’m sure it’s a big big difference I’m just saying onnpsper this ain’t impressive but I know Germans understate there go ratings too .

Thanks. 20lbs since September. Did it slowly so I can gain muscle at the same time through a recomposition plan

There like one bmw, the older x6m that came with red interior

Ya. Waiting to drive that. But we did show it

yes because people who look at Porsches will settle for a kia every time hahahaha !!!

Lmao at cross shopping a Kia with a Porsche 🥴

Stinger was discontinued

@@twfinc6855 It does sound crazy, but I actually did. First time I let my ego badge go. I did own a Boxer S; I know it's nothing special, but a Porsche owner and previous other German cars. I know what is meant by maintenance and cost with German cars. I had a choice between a used Panorama or a new Stinger for a daily driver. Choice the Stinger to be different and didn't regret it. It's weird to get attention and complaints on a KIA!? It’s not a perfect car but bangs for the bucks. Albert Biermann, the former head of BMW M, is the engineer behind the Kia Stinger did good job.

That's a gross exaggeration. You can't honestly think that a Stinger is nicer than this Panamera.

You can get it speced without that those were always optional

Yeah you wish

The current generation non-911 and non-718 cars have a toggle to the right of the steering wheel, along with a manual mode selector. Park is via a button, and RND are via a three position lever. That lever functions the same way as the "braun shaver" in the 992 generation 911s, but instead of using real estate on the centre console, it's mounted to the right of the wheel (where in modern day, many cars have the power on/off button). Use it a few times, recognizing that there are paddles for when you want to use them, and it leaves one thinking - 'why didn't they do this sooner?'