I think we have to differentiate between Gutenberg alone and Gutenberg with addon plugins. For me, in the second case it's not Gutenberg anymore because Generate Blocks, Kadence, Stackable, Spectra, Greenshift, Cwicly... all have their own solution that are not compatible with each other and which partly imprisons you. Almost 5 years later after the advent of Gutenberg, it is unfortunate that we still have to rely on complementary solutions to make a basic professional site.

Love your content, Paul. Thanks for taking us on this journey with you away from page builders. Looking forward to learning more.

I still don't understand the difference between page builders like Bricks or Elementor and Gutenberg and additional plugins that "extend" (almost replace) Gutenberg to page builder level. In my opinion it all boils down to the same thing in the end.

We have just rebuilt our website with Blocksy theme free and Stackable free (definitely abandoning Elementor). It has been spectacular, fast, easy to understand and we ended up with the website we wanted and very fast loading. We need the Dynamic and Conditional Data etc features that come with the PRO version. Now let's go! But before that it is very difficult to decide between: GeneratePress and GenerateBlocks Kadence and KadenceBlock Blocksy and Stackable or Greenshift... I'm drunk with so many possibilities. Cwicly was impossible for me to understand and was very slow to build...

Enlightening content! There are sooo many options, any of us can choose the one best fitting their needs.

Great video as usual, an excellent overview of the current tools available - I'm a GeneratePress/Blocks user and just wanted to mention that Accordion's are on the way - they are mentioned on Github, but I have no idea on timing at this stage!

Paul - this is just mega🎀 thats just great 💖💖💖15 mins packed with tons of information: and just as useful as usual! Paul - your a hero: Keep inspiring us. plz do more of such great vids. Hats off to you!!!

Thank you for another great video. I've been getting sick of Elementor, especially when I have to regenerate CSS from time to time, it's just not worth it. I'm buying Bricks Builder, but in the long run, I feel Gutenberg will be better. I'm learning more PHP, so I'm hoping that'll allow me to do nearly everything I want to. Cwicly, Bricks, and Gutenberg is what I'll be working on from now on. Bricks claims that we can edit their pages in Gutenberg and vice-versa, don't know how that works but I'm curious to try that out.

Isn't this semantics… Gutenberg is or at least it wants to be a page builder (just its native and included). BTW Pinegrow is a tool that should sit in the Build your Theme and Blocks section in the future as they are currently in the Beta for a Plugin version of their established desktop software.

I sincerely tried to get used to Gutenberg... I can’t. The user interface / experience is simply not acceptable.

Hi! What's your opinion about Crocoblock ? Is it still a good idea to learn it? Or would you advice other tools? thanks

+1 for Kadence theme & blocks. Generally though, anything that’s designed to work with Gutenberg is the future of WordPress. Great video, Paul 🤩👍🏻

I want to leave Elementor Builder but I found myself lost in front of so many packs of blocks and options. This video was a very important one for me. Thank you very much.

Good video to explain all the options but I just don't find working with Gutenberg enjoyable, Elementor and more recently Bricks just make's the whole process easier, especially when having clients that want to be involved in updating their sites after the build.

I’ve been building a community site using Elementor pro but I like the idea of switching to something less ‘weighty’, so will check out your suggestions. One thing I’d like to see is a tutorial on is how to incorporate ‘newsfeeds’ into a website either with RSS or some other tool. For example, we have two local councils which send out media releases by email or on their websites; and other organisations which frequently update ‘what’s on’ pages. Thanks.

Another excellent wrap-up of yours !

Always interesting content, Paul. FWIW I'm currently using the free version of 'Blocksy'. I have been very pleased with their customer support (given that I'm using the free version). Your recommendations are spot on!

Thank you for your insight. Very interesting and informative as always. But, I really want to now your opinion about Crocoblock. They are, in some cases, trying to move away from Elementor… But it as been some time since you don’t talk about the tools and I really want to know your current opinion on that. Thank you very much for all the great content.

I would probably add that spectra as well as crocoblock plugins that are other good options for Gutenberg now.

Hey Paul, thanks for the video, I love how succinctly you go over all these different approaches. As far as building custom blocks, have you looked into Tangible Blocks at all? Both Lazy Blocks and Genesis Custom Blocks require you to build your block with PHP, but Tangible Blocks uses its own templating language that has a lot of the same capabilities but a noob like me can learn it in a couple hours and be building totally custom blocks like the pros. It's certainly not no-code (it's basically like writing HTML), but it's an innovative solution that makes queries and conditional logic and stuff WAY more approachable. As a bonus, it simultaneously creates the same block in Gutenberg, Beaver Builder, and Elementor, so you can switch page builders down the road and not lose your work. I think at the moment it has big potential for agencies who want to quickly build custom blocks to hand off to their clients without needing to learn PHP/React, but I think there's also a case to be made for WP DIYers to get a lot more flexibility without needing to learn PHP. Anyway, thought that might interest you.

Generatepress/blocks is by far at the top. The elements and hooks alone in GP is unmatched.

Why isn't Bricksbuilder in this video?

I’d like to see a video on Genesis. As for these builders, what offers the most features with the least amount of bloat? I’m current struggling with the resource requirements and load time of JetEngine + WooCommerce + Elementor. I’m building a directory listing website.

I am about to get the Generatepress but this Greenshift looks like a deal breaker. Not really comfortable with Cwicly

Great vid as always mate... Native Gutenterd will take a very long time to catch up with, and indeed compete with, page builders, BUT... The vast range of tools surfacing that focus on enhancing Gutenterd is certainly a sign of the future

Great video Paul. Thank you. I use Astra + Spectra + Css Hero, if i want to avoid using Elementor

The latest version of Beaver Builder allows you to use reusable blocks.

While I can appreciate the intent of exploring this as an option with an open mind, I believe considering this route to a solution needs to embrace a wide degree of observations to be objective. Therefore, before making such a comparison in general between a page builder and a block builder, some important distinctions must be considered. I think you have to decide "how" you want to invest your time, your money and the future of the site you are building. Yes, some of these block level editors may feel less intimidating up front but in the long run what have you got? You STILL are going to make a significant time and financial investment that you need to compare the end result for. A page builder such as Bricks has some strong advantages that can't be ignored. One such is the cost overall. You can still purchase an LTD right now for less than $200 ($79 for one site). These block builders are re-occurring pricing models. These block builders don't seem to have the strength of a class styling system to globally change design styling like a proper page builder. If you know what I mean by the use of classes to style the content, then you are possibly above the common experience level. In the hands of the less experienced especially, you can easily end up pushing pixels about to create a cookie cutter result in many cases. Now scale the creation and management of a site to more than one person in a site project and potential issues are easily created in terms of consistency and ubiquity., not to mention future changes down the road. Building a site this way can easily involve more than basic numbers of plugins to achieve the desired outcomes in many of the cases. This can effect stability, interoperability and performance. A solution like this can be a non-starter in some cases because of the dynamics involved. There is also the consideration in some cases of the resulting performance. Maybe a "home blog" this is not as important as running a business or profit center with the site. How does the solution scale down the road? How easily can it be maintained - especially by more than one person? I think it's very important to acknowledge that comparing block builders to page builders (just coin a phrase here), is not an overall "apple to apples" comparison. There are always going to be tradeoffs and they can be very important. I would recommend careful consideration before going this route. No I don't work for the Bricks developers and I get no financial consideration for my opinions)

i've changed my agency website from astra + elementor to kadence + gutenberg, and its incredible, i still dont use to create my clients website, because it take twice the time, but its a change i want to make soon. but for know one think i notice is that there still a layout limitatios, and that we see in the editor isnt exactly how it shows in the front end

+1 for GP/GB 💪 Winning combo!

Love you. Hate Gutenberg as a page builder. Only use it for blog posts. Elementor has its issues but it’s far more intuitive and I can actually see what I’m doing as I’m working. Also, I’ve never found it difficult to optimize Elementor speed to really high performance. Other than it’s inherent speed, Gutenberg just isn’t close to being at Elementor’s (or other visual page builder) level.

Paul Paul do you believe you should also mention crocoblock suite?

Many of my clients now prefer a website designed with Gutenberg blocks over Elementor. Because Elementor slows down your website a lot. That's why I transfer Elementor designs directly to Gutenberg.

Hi, Which of the above Page Builders are integrated with JetEngine?

Nice work Paul! I have numerous agencies and LTDs you mentioned. I’m curious at the present time, what combination would you use for a car rental site? No mention of Bricks?

Recently I had to work in a premium version of a Wix website. I was surprised how easy it was and Just buy draging The elements, they were always in the right position at the front end. What page builder you think is close to this way that pro wix works? I am trying some options to maybe leave elementor.

Thanks Paul, I am thinking of starting with kadence to get going and then later transfer over to Generate press with Generate blocks. I figured this would help me with my learning curve. Question - if I did this can I bring my work with me when I transfer or do I need to choose the right builder from scratch?

Here's one ridiculous thing that keeps me from using Gutenberg or themes like Kadence: the list views and setting menus on the left and right affect the element widths on the canvas, and hence the entire layout. This happened in Elementor, and some genius made a plugin that let the element menu float over the canvas, so it wasn't cramming its way onto the real estate of my layouts. If I want to see how things really look, I'm either working on two tabs or constantly closing the menus to get an accurate view of things. I haven't found a fix for it, but Bricks doesn't smoosh up my layouts every time I have something open, so Bricks wins for me. Is there something I'm missing?

THX, Paul - for some reaseons lots of my elementor sites use realtionships;) I dont want to go with JetEngine (I know it is working) ... Kadence Pro + Kadence Blocks Pro and ACF ist my go to at the moment and so much better and faster than elementor - but how about the relationship's - you did quite a few clips back then with elementor ... still missing in Gutenberg as far as I see ... By chance - do you have any "insights" on Cwicly thinking about that .... Have a great evening - Cheers and again THX for all the brilliant output Paul

Thank you Paul for the valuable information. What do you recommend for a pooking website generatepress or astra

But the Generate blocks mainly shows the premium blocks which brings up the same issue like the main page builders. If you don't keep up the many yearly subscriptions, your client's sites lose site functionalities only the pro licenses allow. Subscriptions are getting way out of hand as you build to make nice sites but then you the web developer have to continue all these subscriptions to upkeep your client sites; well after they paid you to build it. Unless we can convince clients to pay a yearly fee to maintain their sites even if they are not on a monthly plan is a must. Or all these builders and add-ons are not worth it.

Wish it was easier to work with. Still hard with those tools. Websites will be so fast built on Gutenberg but it’s a nightmare to use.

I built two sites with Gutenberg for one of my clients. Having issues frequently and have no clue why. Maybe I lack knowledge. But still I don't like Gurenberg for the UI. Hope one day I will move to GB as it's lot more faster than Elementor

How does GeneratePress and GenerateBlocks compares to Cwiclys dynamic features?

If they make it better then elementor & divi then this can be a game changer..

Hi! I love your videos. I am stuck with something that I'd like you to do for me instead if you're open for site customization services. It's about a combination of Jetengine, Jet Smart Filter & Greenshift to create some custom post type. Would you please send me a link where we could furter discuss this?

I think you should have added Astra theme. There are several reasons why they are the #1 most used theme. Add Spectra, their free block builder, and I think the combo is better than Generate Press.

Another example proving that gutenberg is not even half baked nearing the end of 2022 - almost clickbait to say "Leaving WordPress Page Builders for Gutenberg | Possible?" - and show without a page builder, just use gutenberg and wordpress, but add special plugins or/and special themes to do basic things like flexbox. More proof that gutneberg should never have been in core. I tried not long ago to remake a site using base gutneberg and ended needing to add generate blocks just to get some containers and padding. Sadly we are stuck with the guten-bloat - and an even more fragmented community of designers and maintainers now that we need even more plugins to do the basic things that free page builders could do with WP free years ago. Thanks for the extra proof!

Great content Paul, thanks for your video. Can you help me with 2 questions? Background experience with Web page building - 10 Years playing with Weebly. I am now just researching wordpress options before I kick the ball and start building a site for my CAD drafting business. My website needs to have ecommerce options for digital downloads. Q1. Does Generate blocks paired with generate press sit inside the Gutenburg editor? Q2. If you think of other suggestions to point me in the right direction, please let me know. Cheers Glen

I tried Elementor once. I hated I had to install something to build a template. Along came Gutenburg and Full Site Editing. I use it exclusively now. It's got the basics and that's all I need.

could we design a page using gutenberg and then export it as a block theme?? if yes, it will be huge consideration for choosing gutenberg :D

Wow... no mention of Crocoblock?

What about ACF Blocks?

Gutenberg editor is a pain to work with when you have a alot of content on the page. It slows to a crawl and crashes often

I left last year and have not looked back!

Stunning content. Video saved for future reference, thanks!

Yes, if you can build a proper website with Gutenberg without any additional 'block plugins'.

I really want to like Gutemberg, and I dont mind it to do posts, but I dont really feel confortable with the UI and the workflow. But I will keep trying from time to time

Paul I'm curious which you recommend? Cwickly with something like blocksy or blocksy with elementor, or cwickly alone, or something else?

Generate press told me lots of people are integrating kadence blocks with GP

Greenshift vs Stackable? Which is better if you can only afford one?

Do you think purchasing blocksy pro is worth it

I think it is a time of the year to change Wp tuts t-shirt to Gutenturd t-shirt when you do video on Gutenberg 😅

So, instead of using a Page builder, use a Multipurpose Theme and start installing plugins for every modification you need to do. Nope...

Breakdance builder will kill them all. Breakdance is the future of WordPress.

I like your realistic view, but I have to disagree with the first 3 minutes. Although fine tools, there's no flexibility whatsoever. However, I get this might be a matter of perspective.

Elementor for me is the best way all in one single shoot !!!, they know the other are running so, elementor, Beaver and the others actually top sellers will became lighter, and more "flex" ible step by step, problems is the price. for some

I have to admit I hate Gutenberg. It is not remotely intuitive.

Yes, possible, though not that convenient. I like GeneratePress.

Gutenberg whack 🙋🏻‍♂️

LMAO, it will NOT for me. Elementor or bust!!

KZfaq Wordpress Content Creators: Is X builder going to replace elementor? Heres why! US: "opens up gutterdence sees the UI" Nope back to elementor Repeat rinse every 2 weeks. 🤣😂

Omfg...I tested greenshift. The plugin sucks. I have a lifetime license and I cannot use it. Is far far away from kadence. Very low customization options and support is...better no

Some of this tools works seamlessly with Crocobloks or replace it? Croco for me it’s a must have and maybe difficult to replace it, or not? Thanks!!