Changes by blacksabbath is one of my go to sad tunes. Now I know its using this technique. Thanks tony 😊
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
@@cazaw Nice!
@Liio.Chantel3 жыл бұрын
Heart-shaped Box, In Bloom, Lithium by Nirvana...and so many other ones from them. Until The End by Avenged Sevenfold... The Show Must Go On, Bohemian Rhapsody, Somebody To Love by Queen...and so many other ones from them too... Zombie by The Cranberries... Sososo many amazing melodies!🤩😱🥵🤯 What are some of yours?🤗
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
@@Liio.Chantel nice one Celine, they are all great melodies. Kurt and Freddie really came out with some interesting stuff. Some of mine are Damien Rice - cannonball, Lisa Hannigan - Lillie, Radiohead - high and dry, Leonard Cohen - Suzanne, Tom petty - crawling back to you..., the list goes on and on. I'm a sucker for a catchy hook!
@aaronross69563 жыл бұрын
I love the melody that goes 8 7 3. Can't actually think of specific songs but I hear it everywhere and always love it.
@anterobaldemor19562 жыл бұрын
Finding this channel is like finding a Gem under the ocean
@SongWritersChopShop2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Antero, glad you got some value for it👍
@arielstaubitz2252 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I found it yesterday by a random search and then I lost it!!! And I couldn't find it...until I figured it out and here I am. Haha.
@rapidfirekamehameha Жыл бұрын
100% facts. My God. I’ve improved so much. If I make it by God’s Grace I’ll come looking for you!
@yoavhanuka27729 ай бұрын
So accurate
@jeffro.7 ай бұрын
Yep. It's true. 2:30 Knowing this stuff is awesome, suddenly everything makes sense. The whole world comes alive. I understand music in a way I never did before. My life suddenly has meaning. I no longer need to eat or sleep... I can....
@KeenX722 жыл бұрын
I feel lucky that I found this video, so many interesting ideas conveyed in such an easy to understand way. It's too bad this channel isn't more popular.
@SongWritersChopShop2 жыл бұрын
That's great to hear Chip. I appreciate the kind words and am glad you are getting some value from the content.👍
@puffnstufflovelove65502 ай бұрын
By far, the best instructional video on the insightful side of writing a melody.
@carriefingsolomon Жыл бұрын
Man you’re onto something! I wrote a song with an arch melody about reaching into the past without even realizing what I was doing…😂 Now I can use this tip intentionally and make even better melodies. Thank you!
@SongWritersChopShop Жыл бұрын
Nice!
@GarethThomasTunes3 ай бұрын
Finally a KZfaqrteaching songwriting who actually understands songwriting! You’re sharing all the best tricks. I was considering starting a songwriting channel because none of the teachers seemed to be aware of these techniques. Well done - I just subscribed!
@SongWritersChopShop3 ай бұрын
Cheers Gareth, really appreciate that. Let me know when you start your channel 👍
@GarethThomasTunes3 ай бұрын
@@SongWritersChopShop The songs on my current channel all use those 3 tools (scooby doo flipping placements, melody that pushes against the chord and following melodic arcs) Great techniques for the earballs ; )
@musicfantasy49362 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot really helped me. I was trying to make a melody for my first song. After watching this video I just made a very beautiful motif
@SongWritersChopShop2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear music fantasy, glad it helped👍
@AppleBloom213 жыл бұрын
Thank you sooo much 4 this!! I have never heard of this. I always learn something new when watching ur videos!
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
cheers allplebloom21, glad you got some value from it.
@displayname88483 жыл бұрын
I love this kind of stuff and Hook Theory. Besides melody shapes I like paying attention to scale degrees and how they function in the melody.
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
nice one displayname, I'll be getting into scale degrees,intevals, motifs...the whole shabang as the series goes on. Let me know of any vocal melodies you find particularly good or interesting and I'll use them for examples. cheers
@displayname88483 жыл бұрын
@@SongWritersChopShop ok I’ll think about it and let you know!
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
@@displayname8848 cool.
@displayname88483 жыл бұрын
@@SongWritersChopShop sent you an email with some cool melody stuff.
@mmmus1c2 ай бұрын
Your channel is real gift. just pure music and education. Thank you for being true
@diedforurwins Жыл бұрын
Came back to this video to say literally see this everywhere now thank you so much
@SharmarkejamalVEVO3 жыл бұрын
You opening different view to everything i learn so much Thank You Tony
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
cheers Kaka, glad it's helping.
@nar____ Жыл бұрын
I can’t seem to write a melody that doesn’t just follow the chords I’m playing on guitar. There’s no diversity, just the same note sung that’s being played on guitar. And it’s not even melody, it’s really like singing a bass line or something. I really wanna get out of that habit and figure out how the hell to write a real melody over my playing. Do you have any extra tips not in this video? Thank you!
@SongWritersChopShop Жыл бұрын
There's a bunch of melody videos on the channel. Sounds like you need to get used to singing more non chord tones.a bit of practice should sort it out. Write melodies over chord progressions with your guitar and practice singing along.
@Mznewwave9 ай бұрын
YOUR A GODSEND!!!!!! I don’t know you….but I love you bro
@SongWritersChopShop9 ай бұрын
Cheers Mz, glad you got some value from it 👍
@AndruXa Жыл бұрын
the melody’s a belody ❤
@Troy-rt5tx2 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for your content!! Its helping!!
@SongWritersChopShop2 жыл бұрын
No worries Troy, that's great to hear.
@marti_comadreja2 жыл бұрын
Man, this is so interesting. Great work man! Loved the video! And thanks!
@SongWritersChopShop2 жыл бұрын
cheers Santiago, great to hear you got some value from it.
@TheLambchop293 жыл бұрын
Great video. She’s leaving home by the Beatles. Love it.
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
Nice one Lee. yeah, crackin melody. cheers buddy.
@podbites_snippets3 жыл бұрын
broo god bless you , jesus christ i didnt know needed to know this
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
Cheers jigsaw. Really glad you're getting something out of it. hope it gives you plenty of ideas for getting creative with melody.
@AmyAndThePup2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what shape Faouzia's songs' melodies are... Hmm.. Lots of runs, but aside from that, I need to ponder. I've noticed people using chords or tempo to match their lyrics. Sad words aren't always on minor chords, but there can be an element of sorrow or pain to the overall chord progression. I've always been fascinated by these kinds of things. I never heard about melody shapes until this video. Thank you so much for this!
@harrietgloria8792Ай бұрын
Yesssss ❤
@SongWritersChopShopАй бұрын
👍
@allenhanford Жыл бұрын
This is awesome. I subscribed AND watched your ad :) Seriously though I have reams of lyrics that I'm trying to write music for and this is the kind of information I need. Thank you.
@ajfalcone79172 жыл бұрын
Oh wow. Good thing i already learned modes for 🎸 cuz its basically the same lol. Now i have unlimited power
@SongWritersChopShop2 жыл бұрын
Use it wisely👍
@gasparucciox9706 Жыл бұрын
great vid man!
@Mixa_742 Жыл бұрын
Thank you this is so good
@Simon-IFF2 жыл бұрын
This is gold!
@SongWritersChopShop2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Simon, glad you found it useful.👍
@joey67613 жыл бұрын
so helpful, would love a video on marc bolan's songwriting if you'd have any interest in that :) cheers
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
cheers joey, glad you found it helpful. I love me a bit of T-Rex, I'll add it to the list. great suggestion.
@granthambeard3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this, I kind of wish that some of the examples didn't suffer from over embellishment, but that's a minor niggle as the point is made pretty well. Bravo!
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
cheers Anthony, glad you enjoyed it. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by over embellishment, could you explain more? I appreciate the feedback.
@granthambeard3 жыл бұрын
@@SongWritersChopShop ok, you know older versions of over the rainbow compared to newer ones (ie post Eva Cassidy) notice how there's slides and runs not present in older ones? That's over embellishment. As much as I appreciate putting ones stamp on something, to add, and in some cases completely change parts of the melody is a disservice to the writer, and at worst, pub singing.
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
@@granthambeard Ok, I get what you are saying now. I guess it's either a choice, taste or a matter of vocal ability. (I have to use covers for the examples to avoid copyright claims and strikes).
@granthambeard3 жыл бұрын
@@SongWritersChopShop oh it's totally a choice, the way I see it is, remember the guitar Olympics of the 1980's, like overplaying ALL the time? That's what's happening with vocals at the moment. But yes taste is of course subjective, and god I COMPLETELY get that you have to get round copyright issues it would cost you a fortune otherwise. Anyways! I look forward to seeing what you do next 😊
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
@@granthambeard Yeah, great point. Singers tend to oversing, players tend to overplay, writers tend to overwrite. Singing, playing, writing For the song is always more effective than showing off. imo. Anyway, pt 2 of this will be up on mon or tues. would love your feedback on it. Have a good one.
@iluvsyphonfilter Жыл бұрын
Very interesting insights!
@angelmercado57129 ай бұрын
Who was singing the Lenny Kravitz song?? Real good, want to hear more.
@Rockesb888 Жыл бұрын
Would “Penny Lane” chorus be an example of this pattern? Probably my favorite melody ever written.
@natesvibin3937 Жыл бұрын
yes! reminds me of how Kurt Cobain sang on Come As You Are, just the pattern of Penny Lane’s verses & Come As You Are’s chorus
@INADRM2 жыл бұрын
This is great!!
@SongWritersChopShop2 жыл бұрын
Cheers INADRM, glad you got some value from it.
@VikeTyler5150 Жыл бұрын
You got your ass a subscriber buddy
@billwarner2133 жыл бұрын
Checking out the Hook Theory website now - sounds very cool!
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
nice. I'm on it every day tbh. great resource.
@CookieThug2 жыл бұрын
i wanna know how people make vocal melodies that are different than the beat melody… idk how to explain
@SongWritersChopShop2 жыл бұрын
That's what is called writing a 'topline'. it's when you write a vocal melody over a music track. Have a look at this video and see if it answers your question kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pdhhlMhy08fIiGw.html ,and let me know if you have any more questions about it. thanks for the comment👍
@CookieThug2 жыл бұрын
@@SongWritersChopShop thank you!
@rmatrix47773 жыл бұрын
Hey, you're speaking my language. Across The Universe, you have found what I've been seeking. I feel like I'm in class with Pythagoras as the Prof. 2:58 ok, I thought I might have missed something. By "degrees" I assume you are talking about "pitch" or "interval" Degrees= same thing= notes. The designated frequency a tone will be found at. Four degress is four notes. Unless corrected I'll gather that is correct.
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
cheers R Matrix. Your understanding it perfectly. Scale degrees are the notes of the scale. if you look at the vertical line on the examples, C = 1 (scale degree), D =2, and so on. And it's the same for any key, eg in the key of G, G = 1, A = 2, and so on. Intervals are the space between the scale degrees. So the space between scale degree 1 to 2 = a step, from 1 to 3 = a jump (that goes for the space between any two notes). It sounds complicated at first but it's not. it's just a way of talking about notes on a scale regardless of the key. a bit like using roman numerals for chords. But yeah, you understood it correctly.
@rmatrix47773 жыл бұрын
@@SongWritersChopShop okay, great thx.
@cryingparty_99572 жыл бұрын
词曲咬合果然很重要 感谢分享
@marcosreis7646 Жыл бұрын
Could you talk about the Smiths' major thirds?
@Liio.Chantel3 жыл бұрын
Yeeey!!
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
Hey Celine!
@zoogangchelli2 жыл бұрын
Amazing
@SongWritersChopShop2 жыл бұрын
cheers Chelli, glad you found it useful👍
@barswest72412 жыл бұрын
Chorus of Kiss from a rose
@aohall2 жыл бұрын
hey thank u so much
@SongWritersChopShop2 жыл бұрын
no worries OHALL, glad you found it useful.
@ndzebrian1822 Жыл бұрын
Wow
@supermediabro9782 Жыл бұрын
What kind of melody graph is that in the video? Excellent tool.
@SongWritersChopShop Жыл бұрын
It's hooktheorys hookpad, there's a link in the description.
@granthambeard3 жыл бұрын
Do you do anything on chord structure that is a bit different I wonder, I find one thing that helps you write an original melody is chords that lead you away from the basic stuff.
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree, an interesting chord progression can make a huge difference. I will be getting more into how melodic notes and chords work together as this series of videos goes on. so any thoughts or questions you have, just drop them in the comments. Cheers.
@trteeerryfse-wy2ww Жыл бұрын
I can kinda hear how an arch shape upward would be considered questionable, excited or angry
@SongWritersChopShop Жыл бұрын
agree!
@diegoang36613 жыл бұрын
Good video but what about the other shapes, what emotions do them evoke?
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
cheers Diego. I'm doing a video on each shape. The next one is going up today.
@bsinatra1453 жыл бұрын
Will this hook pad book help with vocal melodies as well? Or is it more about chords and instruments?
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
the theory books will teach you music theory(in a non boring classroom type of way), the tabs are a free resource and are great to see how melodies and chords are put together in well-known songs. The hook pad is great for creating your own. I find it great for experimenting with melodies from other songs and creating my own out of them. If you look at my vid on 'how not to copy a melody', you can get an idea of what I mean. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hcp3YJuH377Ikac.html. It will help you with melody, chords, everything really. but have a look at that video and check out some of their free resources before you decide.
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios Жыл бұрын
Any discounts on hook theory when using your affiliate link?
@SongWritersChopShop Жыл бұрын
No discount but it's only about 5 dollars a month and and you can cancel anytime. You get the theory books and the hook pad for that, it's a good deal.
@camrynclusker70673 жыл бұрын
I have this beat/music and I really want to sing to it and make lyrics for it but I don’t know what melody the words should be sung to it , like what shape or whatever to fit the melody of the song 😭
@victormorel28853 жыл бұрын
Just sing it
@Alberto-ny7kf3 жыл бұрын
just go with it. when it comes to writing songs, specially in the beggining, its often preferrable to just go with the flow.
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
I agree with the victor and alberto, just sing to it until you find something that feels good to you. worry about the details later, after you have captured the emotion. have a look at this vid, it might help. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pbykmc2gxsXIYXk.html cheers Camryn, go for it, you got this.
@camrynclusker70673 жыл бұрын
@@SongWritersChopShop I guess I’m just scared to try, I’ve watched that video and heaps of others of yours and they are super helpful btw 🖤 I just need to do it ahhh it’s my dream to make music and I’ve already written so many lyrics and made so many melodies on my guitar and everyone tells me I can sing and that my voice is unique I’m just afraid of being cringe 😭 if you have spare time can you maybe email me and I’ll send you the song Im wanting to sing to and some of my lyric ideas for it and you could give me some patterns/shapes from that website of the tune to sing to it in that you think would fit the melody? Pleaseeeee 🥺 my email: camrynjclusker@gmail.com
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
Hi Camryn. That's no problem. just email me what you got to tony@songwriterschopshop.com (thats not a link, just email there). cheers
@j.c15746 ай бұрын
Everything I sing or make (vocal melodies) I end up absolutely hating
@ThatsJustMyBabyDaddy3 жыл бұрын
❤️ ❤️
@ellybyeres7969 Жыл бұрын
what program is being used to plot out the notes??? :)
@SongWritersChopShop Жыл бұрын
Hookpad, there's a link in the description
@villevmakela3 жыл бұрын
I think there was some nice analysis on the different melodies and to some degree the similarities seemed relevant. Maybe using the concept of the arches was still a little far-fetched since it was used to describe quite a large variety of situations. I understand that it's useful to group and label these concepts in order to be clear and get views but I think I would've enjoyed the video even without the 'arch' concept being there. (:
@SongWritersChopShop3 жыл бұрын
cheers ville, thanks for your feedback.
@jordanmhrnz132 Жыл бұрын
i use dyanamics to call arch
@qunai_ Жыл бұрын
can i use melodic shapes for instrumentals too?
@SongWritersChopShop Жыл бұрын
You sure can. every melody has some kind of shape and that shape tells some kind of story.
@qunai_ Жыл бұрын
@@SongWritersChopShop Thanks!
@user-lu2cy9xv2z Жыл бұрын
that's more overthinking of a melody building, than a real " arch model" of a melody creation, and from what you've shown the only conclusion that melody shouldn't be a straight one note, it should go up and down)) The only real thing you said is that you should place accents on words with high notes, and a wavy melody gives melancholic mood to the melody🤷🏼♂️
@SongWritersChopShop Жыл бұрын
Good stuff
@user-lu2cy9xv2z Жыл бұрын
@@SongWritersChopShop Good stuff is the thing one could smoke and get high
@nicorepetto5781 Жыл бұрын
1:47 those vocals are a perfect example of oversinging. Absolutely butchered the song, in my personal opinion