Wrong Rook Pawn Endgames | Kids' Class - GM Ben Finegold

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Saint Louis Chess Club

Saint Louis Chess Club

7 жыл бұрын

Grandmaster Ben Finegold has been encountering endgames with wrong rook pawns. "Wrong rook pawn" refers to an "a" or "h" pawn that has trouble promoting due to a friendly bishop that is the opposite color of the queening square.
2016.12.04
Magnus Carlsen vs Sergey Karjakin, Carlsen - Karjakin World Championship (2016)
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@Joslinmeister
@Joslinmeister 7 жыл бұрын
5:53 "You with the wrong answer." Come on, Ben. "Knight.." Nevermind.
@mikebaker2436
@mikebaker2436 2 жыл бұрын
...kind of like "Rook" in the video title.
@vigilante8374
@vigilante8374 6 ай бұрын
@@mikebaker2436 Bad patzer, bad.
@ianremsen
@ianremsen 7 жыл бұрын
Dear Ben, Before your lectures, I hung all of my pieces, every move. Now, I only hang my queen every move. I've found a completely new tier of play at the Class G level. I could have never dreamed to have won the You At Home Semi-Closed Auto Invitational without your amazing insights. Unfortunately, I can't hear this video, because I'm too stupid to use my computer, please consider either sending me a new computer, or a copy of this lecture on VHS. Hugs and kisses, NM Julian Proleiko
@kenstephens7747
@kenstephens7747 Жыл бұрын
When I came to this site I wanted to start at the most basic level and figured the beginner kids level would be as basic as these things go and serve at least somewhat to bridge the big gap that we have in chess instruction. For the most part we go from here's how the pieces move to can you find the brilliant combination that Tal found but his grandmaster opponent missed? Meanwhile much of the audience, the novices trying to get better, are still stuck at how do I not hang my pieces, let alone sidestep simple tactics. Teaching people how to not play like a fool should come before how to play like a grandmaster. This section would have been so much better had they added in analysis of games that these beginner kids play and especially the many blunders that they make. Much of this stuff is intermediate level actually, and being an intermediate player I have really enjoyed some of them but I definitely feel that the actual beginners or novices have been thrown under the bus, where they are still losing by blundering and winning by their opponents blundering, not from finding master level combinations and leveraging master level positional understanding. Recognizing blunders on both sides of the board is what will get them to the intermediate level but we need to at least try to teach this well enough.
@kenstephens7747
@kenstephens7747 Жыл бұрын
To expand on this a bit, I actually watched all of these videos so far, even the ones which are actually for beginner kids, like who knows where the H3 square is, and as painful as this was at times, I usually found something to take away. In one of the first ones I remember Yasser telling the kids you need to pay as much attention to your opponent's moves as you do your own moves and I thought this is the best thing you could tell them and what they need to improve most. At the lower skill levels, under 1600 for sure, and even beyond that to some degree, it's actually even more important to pay attention to what your opponent is doing and you could even sit back and watch for weaknesses and inaccuracies with your opponent and look to capitalize, and you could consistently beat lower level opponents simply by just doing that. Strong players intuitively do this but lower rated ones tend to focus way too much on the way their moves change the position and not near enough on how their opponent's moves change it. We do need to do both but especially look for weaknesses on the other side of the board, and when we can do both well we are on our way to being a good chess player.
@MCMasters4ever
@MCMasters4ever 7 жыл бұрын
There are still 6 privated videos in the finegold playlist. The next 2 weeks are gonna be great.
@BobbyMack
@BobbyMack 7 жыл бұрын
Sergey "Car-jackin." I can't stop laughing.
@GaeasBlessing
@GaeasBlessing 7 жыл бұрын
Yes! Ben Finegold is the man. More GM Finefold videos, please! MOAR!
@chessanalyst9648
@chessanalyst9648 7 жыл бұрын
Been waiting a VERY long time for this!! Thank you!! PLEASE STOP EDITING HIM OUT. NEVER CENSOR BEN.
@Aizen343
@Aizen343 7 жыл бұрын
That's the mark of a great teacher: seeing a padron in pratice and unveilling it with the theory. That's how you turn old puzzles into a really enjoyable, pratical tools of wisdom. Make chess great again, Finegold!
@marcusw3996
@marcusw3996 7 жыл бұрын
0:55 "Ok, no talking." LOL I wish I could wield the same power when I teach.
@wmheric
@wmheric 7 жыл бұрын
Marcus W Because they're interested in talking as well as in chess.
@marcusw3996
@marcusw3996 7 жыл бұрын
I think you misunderstood my comment. I know they like to talk. I have a hard time with my students being quiet. Ben just said it without even looking at them. I found it amusing.
@mikebaker2436
@mikebaker2436 2 жыл бұрын
@@marcusw3996 If you watch enough Finegold you find that this power is inconsistent at best.
@A51838
@A51838 Жыл бұрын
@@marcusw3996 SHH!!!
@mikec3029
@mikec3029 7 жыл бұрын
Oh boy! Is that him? The overloaded GM?
@OscarGarcia-sw2uo
@OscarGarcia-sw2uo 7 жыл бұрын
ahahhahaha I almost die remembering that moment, in case you didnt listen i he said overworked....
@RockinOtaku
@RockinOtaku 7 жыл бұрын
Michał Ciasnocha no its the overworked GM
@mikec3029
@mikec3029 7 жыл бұрын
The rotating one :P
@LizKate1
@LizKate1 7 жыл бұрын
RockinOtaku
@andyisyoda
@andyisyoda 7 жыл бұрын
Yes!! Yes!!! Oh yeh Christmas came early!! Ben is back! I won't calm down. Hands down my favourite youtuber.
@chessanalyst9648
@chessanalyst9648 7 жыл бұрын
You cant say that. Terrible. He is my favorite KZfaq'er.
@simargl2454
@simargl2454 7 жыл бұрын
I was told there will be rooks
@giannispolychronopoulos2680
@giannispolychronopoulos2680 7 жыл бұрын
Lee Chang no, you misunderstood the title. These are not "rook, pawn" endgames, they are "rook pawn" endgames, or in other words "a/h pawn" endgames
@lol101lol101lol10199
@lol101lol101lol10199 7 жыл бұрын
Stalemate=win actually makes a lot of sense if you think of checkmate as a proxy for capturing the king. Checkmate and stalemate are both situations where - if a move could be made - the capture of the king would follow.
@turtle207
@turtle207 7 жыл бұрын
The only thing that could broke Anish Giri drawing streak (stalemate = win)
@AkshaySinghJamwal
@AkshaySinghJamwal 7 жыл бұрын
Ben's back, yay!
@stanleyboner2448
@stanleyboner2448 7 жыл бұрын
Finnaly Ben Finegold is back!!
@bonerici
@bonerici 7 жыл бұрын
1) I know roman dzidzichasvili! He was the first grandmaster I ever saw in person, well I knew Ben of course but at that time he was just a young lad. 2) I learned something today! That is a wonderful position with the opposite color bishop. 3) I want to say a joke about Donald Tru---------- (rest of message cut off)
@chessanalyst9648
@chessanalyst9648 7 жыл бұрын
Dona*** **censored** screw you Ben Simon.
@edwardbottle1018
@edwardbottle1018 7 жыл бұрын
Don't blame Ben Simon, blame Rex Sinquefield, who owns the club and supports Trump and is telling Ben Simon to cut out all the Trump jokes.
@DreamyBongos
@DreamyBongos 7 жыл бұрын
Sergei joke was the best joke Ben have ever said.
@kmktruthserum9328
@kmktruthserum9328 7 жыл бұрын
i am so freaking thankful for this channel... i would like to come visit the club someday
@villarentalibiza94
@villarentalibiza94 7 жыл бұрын
Instructive and insightful. As long as Ben is lecturing there is still hope.
@m3alemkbir478
@m3alemkbir478 7 жыл бұрын
I was really tired from repeating your previous videos Welcome back
@briddhiman1729
@briddhiman1729 7 жыл бұрын
I would love to go to St. Louis one day GM Finegold and give you a big hug for these incredible lectures. One day when I have some money.
@flesjemelk
@flesjemelk 7 жыл бұрын
Teaching kids about wrong rook pawn positions, I'm sure this advice will benefit them greatly if they hang a piece every 5 moves. That being said, great lecture mr. Finegold!
@syyhkyrotta
@syyhkyrotta 7 жыл бұрын
WELCOME BACK!! :D
@constipatedlecher
@constipatedlecher Жыл бұрын
He's so great with kids. Warms my heart.
@Scy
@Scy 7 жыл бұрын
OMG HES BACK IM SO EXCITED LET ME GO CHANGE PANTS
@Sykermeetikko
@Sykermeetikko 7 жыл бұрын
New Finegold video! :)
@KvnDWr
@KvnDWr 7 жыл бұрын
"And also...don't call Taiwan, they'll call you" LMAO
@orionp.9476
@orionp.9476 6 жыл бұрын
16:22 "Sergey Karjakin.. he came from Detroit when he where he was doing some car-jacking." my god this guy.... lolololololol I love Ben.
@chessanalyst9648
@chessanalyst9648 7 жыл бұрын
BEN IS BACK!
@Manwlatsi
@Manwlatsi 7 жыл бұрын
Ben is back, yay!!!
@matthewerickson2006
@matthewerickson2006 7 жыл бұрын
Ben Finegold...making chess great again.
@s0uldr4ke31
@s0uldr4ke31 7 жыл бұрын
YES!!!! A new Finegold video finally today is a good day for all chess fans from germany :)
@kenstephens7747
@kenstephens7747 Жыл бұрын
Short does have a good argument on the stalemate issue. Since the goal of the game is to capture your opponent's king, if the king does not have any moves that escape capture, perhaps it should be a win. The traditional rule hinges on the fact that you aren't allowed to move your king into capture, and that's the source of the controversy. This is actually a pretty bizarre rule, where there are always moves but the ones that lose your king aren't allowed, and when trapped we call it a draw and let them off the hook even though in practice they are as doomed to being captured as with a checkmate which should mean no way to escape capture. Relying on a weird rule perhaps should not count any more than letting someone who has barricaded themselves in against the police being able to walk away just because they have locked all the doors and the police can't get in, waiting for the perp to walk out so they can capture him.
@nicodemus9226
@nicodemus9226 7 жыл бұрын
This is awesome to know. Just like Akobian explained how to checkmate with knight and bishop in a W-movement - chasing the king to the right corner. Anyway nobody moves nobody gets hurt.
@ministerofleisure
@ministerofleisure 7 жыл бұрын
Forking Finegold is back!
@bobgeorges
@bobgeorges 7 жыл бұрын
GM Ben is the man!
@Undisputed_mma
@Undisputed_mma 7 жыл бұрын
Ben at 25:10 you say the only move that makes any sense is Kxh2, but the moves that technically make the most sense are either Kg5 or kf5, because at least its not immediately a stalemate. Who knows, maybe your opponent wont take the queen.
@mikebaker2436
@mikebaker2436 2 жыл бұрын
After four years, no one has noticed and commented about the video title? Very suspicious.
@gutschrimanderson9818
@gutschrimanderson9818 6 жыл бұрын
Short's Stalemate rule does make some sense. If you think about chess as in you lose when you lose your king, if you're in stalemate, you'd have to move your king to a square where it can be taken and therefore it'll die next move. There are a few exceptions where the king won't necessarily get taken in stalemate, but for the most part Short's rule is valid.
@kramton10
@kramton10 7 жыл бұрын
To the great people behind this nice club.. Can you make a video showing us foreigners, the whole place? something like a tour.!! would be great.!!
@xx_faze_rolf_xxl4029
@xx_faze_rolf_xxl4029 7 жыл бұрын
You look like penguin from batman
@xx_faze_rolf_xxl4029
@xx_faze_rolf_xxl4029 7 жыл бұрын
Not wrong
@Lunibruniful
@Lunibruniful 7 жыл бұрын
PAPA BEN IS BACK!
@sejfyr22
@sejfyr22 7 жыл бұрын
Do we get more Finegold as our Christmas present? @Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Saint Louis
@AgentSmith911
@AgentSmith911 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks master
@elhamamakram2702
@elhamamakram2702 7 жыл бұрын
I love this man!
@edwardbottle1018
@edwardbottle1018 7 жыл бұрын
During the discussion of funny stalemates at the end I was half expecting Ben to talk about that one time Kasparov stalemated Georgiev with Queen and Bishop vs. nothing.
@Majora1988
@Majora1988 7 жыл бұрын
I was like, "Yay! Ben is back!" And then he told me to calm down. :/
@RaymondR127
@RaymondR127 7 жыл бұрын
Majora1988 no talking!
@Athenian888
@Athenian888 7 жыл бұрын
Ben forever and ever!!!!
@omars.4159
@omars.4159 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple man, I see Ben Finegold and I click.
@rajat99999
@rajat99999 7 жыл бұрын
Good one
@AlexSosaBolivia
@AlexSosaBolivia 7 жыл бұрын
I think Ben finally found his niche, talking to and teaching the kids.
@headkraber
@headkraber 7 жыл бұрын
He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, Donald 'ump.
@chrisatkeson4638
@chrisatkeson4638 7 жыл бұрын
30 minute lecture??? I thought you got paid by the hour...
@pandabearguy1
@pandabearguy1 7 жыл бұрын
KZfaq videos are edited down alot
@thecoolest6022
@thecoolest6022 5 жыл бұрын
It was actually an hour but all his jabs at Trump had to be edited out lol
@linda1lee2
@linda1lee2 5 жыл бұрын
Terrible!
@FloydMr0709
@FloydMr0709 7 жыл бұрын
Go go Ben Finegold :)
@Ariking777
@Ariking777 7 жыл бұрын
2:01 Especially In Michigan is a Red Hot Chili Peppers song. Nice to know he's a fan :)
@TheGPel
@TheGPel 7 жыл бұрын
Ben so thumbs up!
@aqew
@aqew 7 жыл бұрын
My fine gold tanks have been filled up now
@smoothie33
@smoothie33 7 жыл бұрын
is GM Ronald Feingold your dad? the inventor of the lasker trap.
@winnah2314
@winnah2314 7 жыл бұрын
This guy is fucking hilarious I love him so much.
@Lanijiro
@Lanijiro 7 жыл бұрын
the Greatest!
@alexfovell7339
@alexfovell7339 7 жыл бұрын
O my sweet Ben
@KrizH3
@KrizH3 7 жыл бұрын
I got mixed feelings about winning a stalemate. However making the rule would change a lot.
@msDanielp369
@msDanielp369 5 жыл бұрын
2:54 that's so elaborate omg
@misternuke896
@misternuke896 6 жыл бұрын
if every teacher was like Ben finegold, the world would be a better place
@villarentalibiza94
@villarentalibiza94 7 жыл бұрын
"When I taught that to Beck he said odelay and I'm close enough" - chess that rocks, I like that.
@dylanperry377
@dylanperry377 6 жыл бұрын
"There's a prize for shutting the door." lol. Ben definitely knows how to handle these kids better than Yasser. Yasser is too polite to even throw in a shush, from time to time. Ben will be like, shut the fuck up and listen.
@kiranfhh9059
@kiranfhh9059 7 жыл бұрын
Ya that's true
@MrMcCoyD4
@MrMcCoyD4 7 жыл бұрын
I'm so excited at home
@RrockCj
@RrockCj 6 жыл бұрын
03:24 I thought he was gonna say Mike Kummer (referring to the camera man) lol
@MasterX6269
@MasterX6269 7 жыл бұрын
i suppose to be playing chess but this GM keeps kicking my ass.
@MCMasters4ever
@MCMasters4ever 7 жыл бұрын
Is it TheFinegold27?!
@nuwandalton
@nuwandalton 7 жыл бұрын
How many times did he say "Dro-AH"?
@kiranfhh9059
@kiranfhh9059 7 жыл бұрын
when will akobian and yassir come they are the best
@TheAleksander22
@TheAleksander22 7 жыл бұрын
Very funny ending :)
@spyroninja
@spyroninja 7 жыл бұрын
"Don't call Taiwan, they'll call you"
@AndrewIsbell
@AndrewIsbell 7 жыл бұрын
"I'm going to go no Twitter and/or Facebook..." This is what has me most excited. I would like to follow GM Finegold on social media again so please respond to this comment if anyone finds his username!
@AndrewIsbell
@AndrewIsbell 7 жыл бұрын
Found it, he runs the twitter page of Chess Club & Scholastic Center of Atlanta: @CCSCSATL
@softwareadministrato
@softwareadministrato 7 жыл бұрын
and facebook???
@younis24de
@younis24de 7 жыл бұрын
and OR facebook
@debasishraychawdhuri
@debasishraychawdhuri 7 жыл бұрын
"I had to go to the starbucks and get some medicine ... " - now starbucks is selling medicine? :P
@OscarGarcia-sw2uo
@OscarGarcia-sw2uo 7 жыл бұрын
beeenn yeeey
@shy4440
@shy4440 6 жыл бұрын
Bookmark 10:00 12:20 16:40 23:45
@bigstar66
@bigstar66 7 жыл бұрын
8:02 I got it
@jaysonpomfret670
@jaysonpomfret670 7 жыл бұрын
I'd be in the one o clock class
@krakenmangaming
@krakenmangaming 7 жыл бұрын
Ben Finegold is a bully😂😂😂 He always kills the 1 o' clock class
@spencerchubb
@spencerchubb 7 жыл бұрын
My name is Spencer and I got it! 8:12 😂
@blueromeo1974
@blueromeo1974 7 жыл бұрын
chess is good again...thankfully
@sooooooooDark
@sooooooooDark 7 жыл бұрын
it would be more logical if a stalemate would be a lose for the person who cant move anymore i mean...he literally cant move and if he did his king would be taken draw is less sensical to me
@normandblais5219
@normandblais5219 7 жыл бұрын
Chess should have a scoring system where stalemate wins (1 points) less than checkmate ( 2 or 3 points). If a player has to move but has no legal move left, he should lose. In the actual system, a draw is a win for both players (half a point). In my book, if nobody wins, it's a draw and the score is 0.
@ronwilliams357
@ronwilliams357 7 жыл бұрын
If a player has no legal move left, it means he has succeeded in keeping his King safe. That's why he gets some credit.
@thomasanderson404
@thomasanderson404 7 жыл бұрын
finding a stalemate is fking genius at times. u gotta reward genius... and if the other player somehow manages to fuck up a free win, then they deserve to get a draw.
@blackkorean1
@blackkorean1 7 жыл бұрын
Ben Finegold is the only GM for me
@petersmythe6484
@petersmythe6484 7 жыл бұрын
(4:08) Very clever, and forced.
@manmoth_1990
@manmoth_1990 7 жыл бұрын
Ben is my favourite human.
@pascal30161
@pascal30161 7 жыл бұрын
Nobody puts baby in the corner...
@michaelbuckingham4830
@michaelbuckingham4830 6 жыл бұрын
Haha, hope you learning about the budget, don’t call Taiwan. So random. Thanks for a great ending Benjamin
@StopFear
@StopFear 7 жыл бұрын
Haha. More Donald jokes please.
@iks_justice
@iks_justice 7 жыл бұрын
Arjun will never become a true chess player. Cause his parents will make him a doctor XD
@chipmanly1359
@chipmanly1359 6 жыл бұрын
Nyow Nyow Nyow Nyow Nyow
@skakofilsanonims4434
@skakofilsanonims4434 7 жыл бұрын
It is a matter of HONOUR to KILL your opponent's monarch. If you let him commit suicide (stalemate) you don't deserve to win.
@NamasteBbooktube
@NamasteBbooktube 7 жыл бұрын
Nigel Short should retire. Poor guy trying to play chess. If he doesn't like stalemate he should maybe play ludo.
@hfb129
@hfb129 7 жыл бұрын
Why won't they let him talk about Donald Duck? Geez
@NoisqueVoaProduction
@NoisqueVoaProduction 6 жыл бұрын
I am a fan of the idea of stalemate=win. I'm actually glad there is a famous grandmaster that agrees with this ideia, but, it is true, he talks nonsense sometimes(actually i'm thinking more of the sexism talk)
@skillywilly187
@skillywilly187 7 жыл бұрын
just started to get into chess again..i like this guy he brings flavor to the game..im like that i love it im like a joker good chess player....play on chess.com all the time add me...for good games if anyone wants...my facebook sign in williamireland usa....dont add me if your over a 1500 i just started again from like 10 years ago of a yahoo 1600 rating ..(means idk now) ben reminds me of chris christy our governor LOL
@danielemessina1979
@danielemessina1979 7 жыл бұрын
Neaowww...
@martinmayrhofer7343
@martinmayrhofer7343 7 жыл бұрын
how much Elo Ben Finegold has?
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