Yeah I love OP's take on the deep dive style of film analysis. The good deep dives" are almost like reliving the movie all over again, which everybody loves to do, and must be why I've watched maybe 20 deep dives of this... I find out something I didn't know before on just about every one.

Huh. I actually didn’t know that.

Ash was programmed by the company to bring back an alien by any means necessary, including killing the rest of the crew if "he" felt it was necessary. He did. Bishop was just going by Company propaganda and discussions with other synthetics and people in general supposing what went down without the true history of the original incident being known to Earth's general populace.

Same as HAL in 2001 A Space Odyssey.

What I love most in AVP 1 >How they handled the lore between the Predator and Xenomorph What I love most about AVP 2 >Wolf.... just Wolf

AVP was a great movie. Clean number 3 in the series, after Aliens and Alien. The rest were awful. I remember Alien 3 really upset me when I watched it, it made no sense after Aliens, which is my favourite movie.

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@@blob643 Idk about anyone else but I actually genuinely liked the design of the xenomorphs and the predalien in the sequel. That's about all I can give the movie credit for. That aside, nothing else about that film is defendable.

@@blob643 I actually enjoy AvP 2 a lot because it has corny slasher energy

I fired TJ.

The shit thing is, that is a very interesting approach to doing stuff like that that really could have worked, offering physicality of stop motion but fluid motion of puppetry. Unfortunately the huge problems in execution make it stick out like a sore thumb.

I don't get why they just didn't do all or mostly practical effects like in the second movie. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

@@JLDReactions I'd say it's probably because the dog-alien would be difficult to pull off with people in a suit.

@mark uk1990 people hate alien 3..there is no payoff for reworking the bad cgi

@@JLDReactions notice how aliens special effects still holds up in 2022.. practical works

Be careful there brave traveller, your views expose a level of independent thinking that must be illegal in many sectors ; )

So pretty-much the same paradigm as that which is currently and ultmately affecting the biosphere of the planet they call Earth...

What goes up must come down, it's okay

Yep. Alien. Dead. Star Wars. Dead. Star Trek. Dead. Rip. But then Dune came along. And in my books it's everything these franchises aren't anymore.

@@MPeaches1958 Yep... forgot about these two. 😳

Great game. I don't accept it as canon though. I don't buy that Ripley jr had any encounter with the alien. I believe she lived her entire life on Earth without her mother and died there. Just from the comments made about her from Burke tells me this that she died only few years prior to Ripley sr showing back up.

I played through Isolation in VR via mother VR. It was AMAZING. Highly recommend.

@@LUCKO2022 i consider it canon. and even if you don't at least the game did it in a believable way and it capture the authenticity of the first movie.

@erik newton The game is great. I don't consider it Canon though as it does break the first movie. The first movie very specifically spells out that the company knew about the derelict and it's contents. The Nostromo was rerouted from Thedus to make sure they picked up that beacon. So they know the coordinates as well. So the fact that they would wait so long after the Nostormo failed to return breaks the first film or shows the company really is stupid. That is my problem with everything after the original Alien film. Don't get me started on the "prequels" either.

@erik newton As for the game. I love it. I just accept it as it's own thing. I have it on PS3, PS4 and I got it free on my PC through a epic games store give away as well. I just want to get it again on Steam when the next Steam sale hits as I don't run Windows on my PC anymore and want to get the native Linux version.

Never a truer statement said. So many layers that just work together that create a masterpiece

That lets me know that it really was a joke script made into a movie, because that sounds like someone making a dumb joke to get a laugh.

@@crimsondynamo615 I mean. The movie was a joke. soooo

Well.. Walmart is literally the worlds most successful company making a profit of over 500 billion dollars a year so if anybody was going to buy them it would make sense it was the Walton family

The best part was Ron Pearlman and the guy with the wheelchair

yeah i was gon say, doesn't look like cgi to me

Funny, I thought it looked just fine, had no problem with the effects. I did read about it in Cinefex at the time, and I liked the puppet approach they used.

So like a quasi cgi?

@@mannysong1752 no. CGI would be if the alien model itself was created with computer software

@@vhscopyofseinfeld so it was stop motion?

I totally agree. Most films focus on one area. Alien mastered horror. Aliens mastered suspenseful action. Predators cool but the movies are incomparable

Disagree.

Predator 2 is only good sequel in the series.

Aliens ruined the franchise.

@@oddmanout7755 Alien still bores me to tears. Not rewatchable. Aliens made the franchise.

Covenant has its faults but it’s still a decent action film. Same with Prometheus. I mean, both are visually appealing. All you gotta do is ignore the horrible writing lol

I saw Alien in the theater in 79. Had my feet up off the floor through most of the movie. And watched at least 5 people go running out of the theater during the chest-bursting scene. Good times!

you guys choose nostalgia over story/ lore expansion its dmb and a curse for old generations that hate change. I have watched alien series since a kid to see the story coming full circle is amazing.. most of you are fake fans that dont know the lore and have read 0 alien comics

I was born on the day it was released. May 25th 1979 so it holds a special place for me. I love the movie. Still holds up. Best of them all IMO.

@@aetherstarborn168 "lore expansion" that's where things start sucking generally "Alien" is a cinematographic picture.

You forgot George Romero.

Damn. I never thought about this. It's mostly true for the directors you mentioned. Though I'd argue it's less "more resources" and more just they're allowed to do whatever the fuck they want with little to no interference, or anyone standing by saying "um, maybe that's not a good idea and here's why". Instead, because of their prestige, everyone around them things they can do no wrong and never questions them. Just look at all that behind the scene footage of George Lucas making the prequel trilogy films. A buncha yes-men encircling him at all times.

Constraints inspire creativity and focus on what the spirit of the film is. Paralysis of choice happens when they get these huge budgets and more decision makers involved.

@@ColumbiaBeet And now with the power of hindsight, the prequels are masterpieces. Thanks for sucking worse somehow, Disney Star Wars.

Don't forget they had no weapons in Alien.

In alien they are just miners with no weapons. In aliens they are space marines tooled up to the balls on a rescue mission...

Introducing the alien queen that lays eggs and using the colonists to cocoon them and breed more aliens was the scariest shit ever. They're not cannon fodder, they're like the Zerg that come in waves. They reproduce so quickly and mature to this deadly predator in merely a day that if they would ever land on earth we would be fucked. That's what Ripley keeps pointing out. Using these badass turrets and marines and still get overrun was a brilliant change from the first movie

As far as the expanded lore explained, when in lower numbers, the xenomorphs tend to become more reserved and sneaky in order to outwit and ambush their targets. When a queen is present however, they essentially become much more violent and territorial. And when they have larger numbers, caution is thrown to the wind so they can just swarm and overwhelm. Depends on the context of the situation. (and I'm not suggesting that third party information makes up for a lack of information in the movies, so take this however you wish)

That's the difference between Ridly Scott & Cameron, Ridly Scott is a far better director, (in my opinion).

Your right, but the movie had some really big shoes to fill. On it's own Alien 3 was pretty good.

Alien 3 also had a frikkin great musical score. There is a lot to like in that movie.

When I saw it like 12 the guy made me cry at the final speech with the rest cellmates, somehow today he is half convincing.

And Charles Dance plays Clemens. It's a double dose of top tier Charleses in that movie.

“I wanted Aliens motherfucker!!!”

He did. It was fantastic.

Oh, I hate that movie. One of the most stupid crews I've ever seen.

I have a knack for going into movies expecting them to be ass. Im seldom disappointed anymore...with that said, I liked Covenant despite it shitting all over the original timeline. Imo the series is only the first 2 films and Alien Isolation. I can give 3 a pass. I'll accept about half of Prometheus as canon too. Yes im an olympic mental gymnast with the franchise..

@@restricttheopennotes absolutely despise the CGI xenos

Pretty strange error for someone whose favourite film of all time is Aliens.

James Horner ✨💕

James Horner re-worked the music for Aliens, from a film by the name of Wolfen that he originally scored.

@@fkingshame7537 and from Battle Beyond the Stars

Truth. Also the score snippet highlighted here from the first film is not actually by Goldsmith (it’s a temp track from a symphony by Howard Hanson that got subbed in place of the written end title music).

This is due Scott's vision about the movie: Prior Alien nearly all of the movies had a strong white guy as a main character, so everyone assumed Captain was the main character as he is quite obvious choice in 70's cinema. His death acted as a double shock, first, well, characters jump scare death, secondly audience was shocked that "What? they killed the main character" until realizing it was Ripley all along.

Maybe!

and Predator

Good question

Marvel

Cause Arnold didnt pass fast enough to he tarnished

Glad someone else noticed

But, two of Goldsmith’s tracks do appear in ALIENS.

Indeed. If my memory is correct: 1 - when the Queen is chasing Ripley to the lift is the same as when she is trying to escape Nostromo, and leaves Jones in his carrier face to face with the Xenomorph? 2 - when Ripley exits the lift and realises Bishop has abandoned them is the same as the music playing during Lambert and Parker's deaths?

@@Wingedtravesty Bingo

Kim Wexler

How about The bride from kill bill v1-v2?

Selene, from Returnal, gives off these very vibes. Also, most likely largely based on Ripley.

I love Ripley from Resurrection, the movie was just such a dumpster fire that they wasted the opportunity to further characterize the Alien species. The best part of the early Alien franchise, to me, is the fact that humanity is the villain. They could have leaned on the horrors committed by the researchers with Ripley experiencing it all, and eventually coming to the conclusion that humanity is the truer monster.

Kuzco

Philosophy of storytelling works with well written characters. You are right, these films just don't cut it.

Promethazine looked great but you're right the characters decisions made no sense at all and the Engineers were *NOT* the Space Jockey by ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.

as a fan of alien since it came out i can say prometheus was great. something new and different was welcome and tying in our history and pop culture to give us a backstory was great.

"If your characters need to be complete idiots for your plot to happen, then your movie sucks. " Well... I liked Spaceballs...

These are all rationalizations. They are examples of the sorts of complaints people come up with after they've decided they are going to hate a movie to attempt to justify it after the fact.

i was on the same boat too but then watched alien 3 extended or what ever that was. totally reversed my view.

i call buuuuuuuuulllllshit !!

@@voidwalker7774 Watch it again. The evil "doctors" allude to it more than once, and other Alien canon explains how it genetically modifies DNA in all area, like cancer as it stays protected from the body's defenses... no matter what species of host.

The story is that they used her blood samples from the med center on the prison planet. She was at that time impregnated with a queen chestburster. Apparently the chestburster also changes her dna (not sure how that was supposed to work, perhaps it's a previously undiscussed way for it to keep the human body from rejecting it until it was developed...they also never discussed how the eggs got on her ship to begin with when the queen ripped out her reproductive organs before the final fight in the second movie, so it's all just guesswork). They were trying to isolate the queen dna to clone it.. ripley clones were just multiple failed attempts at that. They never managed to clone them both separately.. although they appeared normal both still contained the others dna, thus ripleys alien characteristics and the birth of the newborn who rejected the queen and decided ripley was it's mother.

@@waymire01 NOT sure if you agree or not. The idea is that the queen brought up an egg (or more) on the ship. But there is no film vidence of that. If we just accept that an egg was on the Sulaco AND that Ripley's DNA was collected AFTER the impregnation, then the story works... if not, then it doesn't. 😀

@@the-trustees Exactly. There had to be at least two because one got her and the other got the dog. They die after so it couldn't have been the same one. Apparently the film was being shot without a finished script and was reedited by the studio.. and things were left out in the end. There is another cut, what would be a directors cut except the director refused to participate, that has multiple changes. There were multiple scripts, 3 and 4 were supposed to be shot together at one point, Ripley wasn't even going to be in the movie to begin with....they took a bunch of ideas from several of them and mashed them together into what we got on screen. Some of the concepts from these scripts were used in Alien 4, and some were even used in the last two films including an alien spore that is contagious through inhalation and infects everything it comes in contact with.

"Angel to some demon to others."

Yep. Was about to comment the same. James Horner was on limited time too and knocked it out of the park.

Same. I genuinely can't think of a movie I would rank higher.

yes it became slow sometime in the 1990 or some years ealier same with Shining and Jaws - must be those action movies made back then but todays action movies are a travesty to those epic old ones

You can thank TJ. I was the editor, and I fored TJ. Dead channel.

​@@Clozofwhat happened?

@@LisaAnn777 I fired TJ.

@@Clozof is TJ the guy talking in this video?

Ridley Scott truly has lost his damn mind

Did the staff laugh? If I were the staff idve laughed, seeing some one waste their time on a empty theatte 💀

Did you see prometheus beforehand? Because if you went in to see Alien covenant without seeing prometheus then I could see how you were disappointed. I didn't even know prometheus was supposed to be part of the Alien franchise until quite a bit after watching Alien covenant in the theater. I was like, "who is this girl David disected?" And "who is david? Why is he so important to this film?". Then after I watched prometheus is made sense. I will say that the transition from prometheus to Alien covenant is quite weird, however. Because the crew we got to know in prometheus essentially just doesn't come up in aloen covenant. Those two films are more like an anthology than anything. I think it was just the bad marketing of prometheus and misleading information of Alien covenant supposed to be an "Alien" film. They really shouldn't have caved in to people's demands from prometheus. They should have just kept doing what they were doing. But guess what? The audience got Aliens in Alien covenant and they still hated it.. so what do the producers, directors and writers do? They don't give you aliens = you get mad. They give you aliens = you get mad. It's like wow.. you can't make anybody happy. But at the end of the day the writers and producers should have just went on to make the second film the way that they intended. The prequels were never supposed to be about the aliens, but about how they were created. Who were their creators and why they were created. I would have loved to see more lore about the engineers, but nah instead we got more aliens. Exactly what the audience wanted. And they still got mad. Smh. Alien covenant was ok, but It could have done far better if the writers didn't have to force promomorphs and such in to the script just because the audience wanted it. Now they have to try and finish off the prequel trilogy with what they have left, which is just a mess of what the audience wanted.

@@itsmesteve1081 I'm weary of people blaming Alien fans for why the prequels were bad.

It's pretty much the living dead at this point.

Are you talking about Bishop or Ash?

@@fredleggett923 you may be right ash is the android from the first one isn't he

@@tommystrickland6268 Ash is the android in Alien. Bishop is in Aliens and briefly in Alien 3, Call is in Resurrection, and David/Walter is in Prometheus and Covenant. Ash was indeed programmed by W-Y to ensure the survival of the xeno. It's unclear if Bishop had similar programming, though he's often fan cited as the reason eggs were on the Sulaco in Alien 3.