Family faces many thousands of dollars in fines, legal bills over backyard patio in Indianapolis

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Kim and Ray Peck had no clue a backyard renovation meant to update a patio would wind up costing them hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years.
For the past 19 years, the Indianapolis couple has lived in a home that sits along Geist Reservoir.
“We’ve always wanted to live on the lake,” Kim told 13News. “It’s just so relaxing to be out here.”
But relaxing is not how the Pecks describe their lengthy legal fight with the City of Indianapolis - a fight that focuses on their backyard patio.
“It’s hard to even enjoy it because you’re thinking at any moment, someone’s gonna say ‘You have to rip this out,'” Kim said.
“It has easily been the worst experience of our lives,” added Ray.
The legal battle between the Pecks and the City of Indianapolis involves a zoning rule that few people know about. Legal experts say that rule impacts thousands of other homeowners across Indiana’s largest city and, if enforced, could cost other families thousands of dollars in fines and legal bills.
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@Sludge73 Жыл бұрын

Easier to go after homeowners than criminals.

@ljmac22 Жыл бұрын

This is civil. Totally different part of the judicial system.

@davebrown4841 Жыл бұрын

You never own your property.

@davebrown4841 Жыл бұрын

@@ljmac22 Still government, 🤡.

@markhetz1119 Жыл бұрын

It’s all about the money

@FordRangerClassics Жыл бұрын

@@davebrown4841 you don't even understand what the word government means, or how or why it functions, yet you probably laughed yourself after posting the clown emoji.

@MichaelClark-uw7ex Жыл бұрын

How do the people of that city feel about the city spending so much money on prosecuting a minor zoning infraction?

@outlander2878 Жыл бұрын

Excellent point!

@sidmagoo9866 Жыл бұрын

Something that size is not "minor". What's so unclear.

@steelisthemeal Жыл бұрын

I wonder who the piece of garbage neighbor is that made the complaint Nasty jealous people

@onelittlelamb4030 Жыл бұрын

@Micheal Politicians are now getting in through dominion voting systems, they don’t have to please the people anymore they cheat to get in…

@philgar7786 Жыл бұрын

@@steelisthemeal You're projecting. Examine both properties. The complainant has a valid argument. The person in this video also has two boat docks. One of those is encroaching on the neighbor's property. Where is the proof they were told, years ago, LMFAO, by an inspector that everything was fine? And, talking is not a legal permit. It is obvious the complaining neighbor has enough money for any patio they want. So, this has nothing to do with jealousy or being envious. It is also obvious the people in this video believe they are entitled. Anyone, especially people with a house like that, knows they need permits to build.

@jamesdjesse Ай бұрын

Asking the government for permission to do something on your own property is not Freedom.

@enginerdy 26 күн бұрын

I have a tire and battery dump on my property and that’s my right!

@lannguyen-pu1db 26 күн бұрын

If what you build cast a shadow on , or can spew smoke fumes or fire sparkle into your neighbour's property you should expect them to get help from the law.

@wownewstome6123 25 күн бұрын

@@enginerdy Is that sarcasm? Because rain will now drain into the water table as toxic water......which will become city drinking water. Runoff might make it's way into the ecosystem harming wildlife.

@wownewstome6123 25 күн бұрын

You benefit from living in a society and the rest of us follow laws/rules which protect or benefit you, so why not play along? Remember: *With freedom comes responsibility.*

@HobbyOrganist 24 күн бұрын

The people voted this crap in, along with parking meters to charge you for using the road you paid for, thats why we have it!

@bethlott6234 29 күн бұрын

It is so sad that you have neighbors that are this jealous of your beautiful patio.

@1995texasaggie 26 күн бұрын

@@DaisyDay.-pm2cf YOU have got to be the Peck's neighbor Karen+.

@1995texasaggie 26 күн бұрын

Ha ha......I fell for the Red Daisy recently added troll account, created specifically to antagonize. Next stop for Red Daisy......someone posting a video of a baby laughing......can't have that. LOL

@1995texasaggie 25 күн бұрын

@@DaisyDay.-pm2cf I should have known by your blinking green lights Justin, we don't have those here. It's pretty obvious that all parties in the video are wealthier than the norm, however, I am not envious.

@mikebronicki8264 23 күн бұрын

It looks like the Peck's patio blocks the lake view of their neighbors. It doesn't take a genius to guess that they would be opposed.

@donovanniles 23 күн бұрын

@@mikebronicki8264 yeah youtube comment section is the bottom 50% of of the average person's intelligence.

@dhowto3005 Жыл бұрын

This is scary. If the inspector came out & said it's fine, then the city should not have come back at a later date and issued a stop work order. Hopefully, this family wins the case.

@HermannTheGreat Жыл бұрын

They must have the proof of the "ok." If they do, they may be ok.

@bme6949 Жыл бұрын

The only reason they came back is because a jealous neighbor kept calling them.

@philgar7786 Жыл бұрын

Talking v. legal valid paperwork/permit are not the same thing.

@philgar7786 Жыл бұрын

@@bme6949 Says who, you? LOL! Examine both properties. The complainant has a valid argument. The person in this video even has two boat docks. One of those is encroaching on the neighbor's property. It is obvious the neighbor has more than enough money to have any patio they want.

@philgar7786 Жыл бұрын

@@HermannTheGreat There is no proof. The people are lying because they feel entitled. No inspector is going to tell them they don't need permits. Just like the so-called reporter mentioned fences. Even before digging for anything, the municipality has to be contacted to have all lines marked and flagged.

@outlander2878 Жыл бұрын

That administrator should be fined each time she fails to provide a clear answer on when a permit is required.

@dolphinride5157 Жыл бұрын

I agree! The answers were totallly ambiguous.

@ccrider3435 Жыл бұрын

@@dolphinride5157 Bureaucrat Speak. Do you know bureaucrats work for the city? About 1/4 of them.

@lisagrafton2529 Жыл бұрын

And didn't they say they had someone out who told them they didn't need permits? Sounds fishy to me!

@GeistGuy Жыл бұрын

I am the homeowner in this story. Thanks to everyone for your support. We had three separate inspectors come out and each said : No stop work orders, no permits needed, keep building. They documented that extensively in their reports and testimony. Wouldn’t you think that would be enough? Thanks again everyone, and PLEASE write an email to the City in support of us. 😊

@juju-xx5xn Жыл бұрын

So what she is really implying here is that the rule/bylaw is open to interpretation. That's ridiculous.

@kk4649k Ай бұрын

this is outrageous. deputy director's answer should be used in court. how are homeowners supposed to follow a plan that is "it all depends"

@suewiseley2724 29 күн бұрын

you wonder what "it all depends" mean. usually in a situation like this I call bs. it depends on who you are and who you know, don't try to lie your way out.

@davidtherwhanger6795 27 күн бұрын

You will find that many state and local laws and ordinances are subject to the opinion of the person enforcing them at the time.

@lorraine9320 26 күн бұрын

@@suewiseley2724 Exactly.

@capaeo5532 23 күн бұрын

@davidtherwhanger6795 truth! Their opinion can make for an easy process or impossible process!

@meganharris583 17 күн бұрын

Selective enforcement

@giddy6196 24 күн бұрын

I hope this inspires people to start asking why anyone has such dominion over someone's supposed private property.

@chadparsons50 Жыл бұрын

I was a town manager for 6 years, I saw this too often, people trying to control their neighbors through the guise of regulations. Disgusting.

@ishizukahikaru643 Жыл бұрын

Sometimes the only way to STOP nosey neighbors match their harassment with yours. You should never just quietly take it up the ass, because then they will think they are right by harrassing you. I made my nosey neighbors from hell cooperate by collecting dirt on them and said if they continue I'll sue. And told them I don't want any trouble, just stay on your side of the fence and us on mine and we won't have problems. They even apologiesed and we didn't have any issues after that.

@shaniaday2739 Жыл бұрын

Yea, 1st time they said everything was good, they didn't need permits etc etc. Now it's an issue. I'm sure they would have gotten the necessary permits if they were told to ahead of time. That neighbor wouldn't let it go.

@mg1617s1 Жыл бұрын

Vote them out of office and make new laws. Good luck

@HANKHILLFORTXGOVERNOR Жыл бұрын

@@mg1617s1 wah wah wah waaaaaaaah

@cameronzwicke5761 Жыл бұрын

@@HANKHILLFORTXGOVERNOR fuck off troll

@samelioto476 2 ай бұрын

If the city spokesperson can't define what the law is, then the law should be declared null and void.

@jamesscherping2461 27 күн бұрын

That is not that persons job. When you get a permit you go to the office and they look it up so that you can do work within the guidelines. Where I live the permit fee is economical and if you complete without problems most of the money is refunded after inspection.

@patrickday4206 27 күн бұрын

@@jamesscherping2461where I live it is like a tax a percentage of what they will value it at when finished expensive and a few miles away it is one tenth for the same project frustrating.

@HarryDirtay 26 күн бұрын

Don't be dumb😂

@joevarga5982 24 күн бұрын

The spokesperson doesn't define the law. The code and the courts do. They clearly violated the code and were trying to get away with something.

@kmbbmj5857 24 күн бұрын

@@joevarga5982 If they can't define a violation until they "see" it, how did the owners clearly violate a code that no one can define?

@freedone. 13 күн бұрын

Update: The Pecks agreed to pay $2,000 in fines for not getting the required permits, and they also agreed to make slight adjustments to the patio. Where the structure is more than 18 inches off the ground, the city required the Pecks to move the patio back two feet away from their neighbor’s property line. The Pecks also adjusted the cinder block walls around the patio to allow spaces between some of the blocks. By doing so, the walls are instead defined as fences under city code. A wall is subject to strict building and zoning rules. A fence is not.

@mariosmith8456 5 күн бұрын

Thanks for the update, I was wondering what they must have been in violation for since this has become such a problem normally you just have to retroactively file for a plan and pay a small fine in a situation like this

@CDJCDJ81 2 күн бұрын

Thank you for the update

@rspen2142 Күн бұрын

Something tells me that they were grateful to pay the $2000 not to have to completely tear their beautiful patio down completely. Something also tells me their neighbor is mad as hell they didn't have to tear down their beautiful patio down completely. 😉

@christopherh6431 Ай бұрын

It’s sad we can’t build on OUR PROPERTIES!

@wownewstome6123 25 күн бұрын

That's a false statement. With permits you can. Do you want a neighbor to accidentally weaken a tree's root system, causing it to fall on your house in high winds? Or cause rain to flow onto your property like a creek during heavy rain, washing away your vegetable garden?

@blackjackjoker2759 Жыл бұрын

They generally don't hound you until a neighbor that doesn't like you calls and complains. So the city zoning office is sometimes used as a tool of revenge.

@applechili2848 Жыл бұрын

To a hammer, everything‘s now nail.

@unseenstalkr Жыл бұрын

same with every and alllll governmental agencies...stupid and shameful

@jgunther3398 Жыл бұрын

i had a neighbor who didn't like anybody. she'd look up things to enforce on all her neighbors. I couldn't park on the street in front of my house anymore because every house had to have a driveway, and not a gravel one! I eventually moved. guy across the street had a project antique jeep in his driveway that she got towed away...

@travelinman70 Жыл бұрын

if only people did the right thing the first time, instead of being selfish and trying to take advange of everyone else.

@tucoblondy1643 Жыл бұрын

You are correct sir !

@anothervanmeter Жыл бұрын

Bet the person that reported them didnt get a permit for theirs.

@lindaharrell3916 Жыл бұрын

Another VanMeter. Look at that property and OMG that entire patio set up is outstanding! Gorgeous, so relaxing with a tremendously awesome view. My first thought was that the complaint came from a jealous neighbor being petulant and petty. Unfortunately, the neighbor has inadvertently opened a giant can of worms. All of the neighbors who will be potentially affected by this situation should know who it is that has destroyed their peace!

@KingdomQueen75 Жыл бұрын

😆 jealousy is at root of this case

@huu7hbbjko Жыл бұрын

@@KingdomQueen75 jealousy or...more to the story. This couple pissed off someone.

@rodwoods2108 Жыл бұрын

@@lindaharrell3916 Yeah, probably nearby. The first inspector said no problem. That should be all that needs be said.

@travelinman70 Жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter if the person reporting got a permit. This homeowner can't get away with it by racking up legal fees and calling the media.

@Mar-sz2ug 28 күн бұрын

Can you just think of how many landscaping contractors haven't pulled any permits?

@youtuberperson 10 күн бұрын

“Easily the worst experience of our lives” - May you continue to be blessed, Sir

@aarontrenton1730 Жыл бұрын

This is why even where permits are not required. It’s a great idea to take tons of pictures of the entire construction process. It should NEVER be this big of an issue getting a permit, after the fact. My guess is that the neighbor has “friends” within the city.

@kittenpawsbb Жыл бұрын

Agree. This seems personal. The woman who works there, can’t clearly defined anything. So if she can’t, how can anyone rule on this. 🤔

@petepoteet Жыл бұрын

You read my mind

@quintanaquintana2212 Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@philgar7786 Жыл бұрын

Your guess is 100% wrong. If that were the case, the so-called people in this video would have already lost. Simply: want to build; make a plan and present it; you may need a permit, or not, or more than one; depending, it may not even be approved, at all. BTW, the people in this video also have two boat docks, one of which is encroaching on the neighbors' property.

@Troks-eg8jw Жыл бұрын

Ah. You are the neighbor.

@michaelalan1270 Ай бұрын

I had a neighbor who over several years called the city on me for everything, water wasting because the wind would blow water on sidewalk, cracked sidewalk, tree trimming without a permit, not clearing brush behind my property, etc. His wife finally left him, forced him to sell his house.

@timnevitt2993 Ай бұрын

an there is a lot people like him just full of hate

@larrysepicmovies5044 Ай бұрын

Had a guy named Andy Meesen (not joke please), who did the same to me.

@Mr.Mopar.23-7 Ай бұрын

I have the twin of your neighbor. I'm glad to hear they moved. It is exhausting.

@timlewis7218 29 күн бұрын

Thank God

@mikecrooks8085 28 күн бұрын

The great injustice in this life you dot get to pick your neighbors or your family. I have been lucky with neighbors but there is always one. I do not know about this case, but the worst is the neighbor that you do not get along with that has close connections they are willing to use with the city and county.

@classproject00111 22 күн бұрын

It’s so beautiful! This patio increases the home value

@karengordon6610 13 күн бұрын

What the hell??!!! People can no longer can have a patio in their backyards??? “WOW”!!’

@hi-if7lj Жыл бұрын

When you realize that you don't own your own property

@love_1st138 Жыл бұрын

Right

@susannepadgett5431 Жыл бұрын

You never own your property, its always taxed, at least in Michigan.

@EyesWideOpen2 Жыл бұрын

Just think of all the taxes you've paid, on the money you used to pay your property taxes... 😃 If you "own" the property, get two years or so behind in annual taxes, in countless areas they can/do seize and sell, keeping All the proceeds of the sale. 😯 Have you ever thought about the #of sales, for one piece of property, the Twp./ County and State have had their hands collecting that money? How much land do we need to make our own State? 🤔😆

@dustinabc Жыл бұрын

When you realize the "land of the free" is just a large tax ranch/slave plantation.

@susannepadgett5431 Жыл бұрын

@@dustinabc maybe you would be happier in another country.

@scottyjett6017 Жыл бұрын

Never fails to have a Karen or a Chad to complain.

@danielburubeltz8337 Жыл бұрын

kevin

@jazziez6467 Жыл бұрын

Karen or Scotty to complain

@6foot7sun Жыл бұрын

We don’t complain.. Scotty Jett etc sounds more suitable..

@scottyjett6017 Жыл бұрын

@@6foot7sun 😆 no complaints or snitching on my end

@scottyjett6017 Жыл бұрын

@@jazziez6467 or jazz

@laurenhorning4401 22 күн бұрын

If "it's easily the worst experience of our lives" then you're doing pretty good. Be grateful.

@e2renee 20 күн бұрын

How many wish they had $240k to defend a patio?

@ms_cartographer 18 күн бұрын

Yeah. I can tell they've never had any true hardships in life. Must be nice.

@Floratic 22 күн бұрын

Why didn't the contractor get the necessary permits?

@backachershomestead Жыл бұрын

When we bought our 110 year old home in Illinois property lines were identified. There was an addition that was 40 years old that was within the 5 ft required from the 7ft property lines. This was the first house on the block. A neighbor bought a house that was only 50 years old . She had it surveyed and the surveyor claimed we were on the property line and could have to remove our house. We went to county assessor and was told our place was right. The survey was from south to north and they went north to south and moved every lot 3 ft. Towards our house. The local inspector still said we were wrong. But county said we would have to take it to court to get it straightened out. After 25 years of living we sold it and left the shit hole town.

@zariballard Жыл бұрын

Omg!!

@tayajaneway4628 Жыл бұрын

Holy Hannah, that is terrible! F, that is ridiculous! Sorry you had to deal with that

@rickershomesteadahobbyfarm3291 Жыл бұрын

That’s why I’d never put any permanent structure next to my property line. Surveying mistakes happen sometimes.

@DavidHalverson Жыл бұрын

Always obtain a survey of the property and know where your boundary markers are located. Any discrepancy that crops up can then be dealt with by a lawyer in court. Your house is the first built so your boundary markers are what has to be used when they resurvey the subdivision.

@backachershomestead Жыл бұрын

@David Halverson if only they did. We fought and argued but the way the new survey was done and town code official didn't like us they could do whatever they wanted. The town even had the original survey but said it was out of date. I've been in construction most of my life and never dealt with some much crap.

@aarondavis7390 Жыл бұрын

I’ve been in construction for 30 years. Live in San Francisco. I will not even bid a job without including permits…love them or hate them, they are part of the construction process. Shame on the contractor for running a job of that scope with out a permit. A retaining wall? Fire pit? Next to a lake? Really? Go after the contractor’s GL policy (if they even have it). I think there is more to the story the HO is telling us. Just because the neighbors did it without a permit doesn’t make it right. The cheapest bid isn’t always the best bid! Hard lesson to learn.

@bijanka Жыл бұрын

You nailed every single point.

@capefearcapt4679 Жыл бұрын

^^ This!

@davidbryant3532 Жыл бұрын

I have had experience with contractors in your nasty city...all fucked in the head morons

@sheelfjohnson Жыл бұрын

100% right. I know many of our neighbors did work they should have gotten a permit for, but we still went and got one when it was time to build our fence. Not a huge deal.

@erich6860 Жыл бұрын

I was curious why the contractor did not pull a permit. Seems pretty bog standard procedure, especially with a nice expensive project like this one. Sounds to me like someone tried to skip the rules and got caught. Contractor, or person.

@Feraeond 29 күн бұрын

"When in doubt, pay us for a permit." How about I just keep all my outdoor property renovations easily movable so I can classify them as furniture?

@Al-yf7tm 25 күн бұрын

They should gotten a permit and the builder should know that.

@virginiaserr2047 Жыл бұрын

Sounds to me like a neighbor got their nose out of joint & has a friend on the council to make the Peck's life miserable. Jealousy is a terrible thing

@GeistGuy Жыл бұрын

Bullseye!!! We are the homeowner by the way.😊

@calicocritterscrafts886 Жыл бұрын

@@GeistGuy ohhh this was my guess too!!! Make sure as many people know exactly how much of their tax dollars are being used all because of this neighbor. Name and shame, my friend!!

@marem3038 Жыл бұрын

@@GeistGuy Yeah it's always someone Jealous.

@pulaski1 Жыл бұрын

Agreed, it sounds to me like the biggest problem the Pecks had was that the neighbor ratted them out.

@yvetteandjorgenlarsen9753 Жыл бұрын

@@calicocritterscrafts886 did you forget to invite your neighbor over to enjoy your new patio?

@dr.s4574 Жыл бұрын

They had an inspector come out and they said no permits were needed. That should be enough to end this case.

@caropreso911 Ай бұрын

Get it in writing

@markseaman4750 Ай бұрын

Should have had the inspector put his decision in writing. How will they prove a verbal clearance?

@richardelliott8352 29 күн бұрын

@@markseaman4750 same way one can prove their story is factual, it can' t be done.

@nevadaboy9769 22 күн бұрын

@@dr.s4574 They should have gotten everything in writing, I live in rural Nevada on 40 acres no neighbors within a mile & I dont hammer a nail without checking with the bldg inspector to see if i need a permit or not!

@jdtravels5140 29 күн бұрын

This is another reason I’m retiring abroad. I’ve had it with state and local taxes and mindless petty bureaucrats. In California, I did over $200k in renovations to my backyard. I literally spent thousands on building permits. Additionally, my property taxes went up with each renovation.

@galaxyglitterlatte4664 25 күн бұрын

Where do you plan on going? 🤔

@jdtravels5140 25 күн бұрын

@@galaxyglitterlatte4664 - I lived and worked overseas for 20 years…mostly Europe, Japan, South Korea, and Saudi Arabia. The Philippines will be my 43rd country.

@ericahoelscher3733 4 сағат бұрын

😂

@Jude-gy9qu 25 күн бұрын

If your gorgeous waterfront patio is the worst experience of your life you are unbelievably lucky.

@sarasays...850 14 күн бұрын

The lawsuits are the worst experience, and the over 200k they've had to spend on legal fees. Not the patio itself.

@jeanlaubenthal698 13 күн бұрын

I think it’s spending 250,000 in legal fees that they were referring to.

@ervinwengerd4730 Жыл бұрын

The biggest problem here is the city can make any rules they want if they're jealous or if it fills their pockets!!!!😡🤬

@harrycrazy46 Жыл бұрын

How very cynical.

@geneticdisorder1900 Жыл бұрын

@@harrycrazy46 Thieving incompetent swamp rats don’t just live in DC !!

@SheilaR.08 Жыл бұрын

There is a published building code. These homeowners decided to do an end run around it, failed to get the permits required, and are now claiming that it's everyone's fault but their own. Nonsense. There's no way they didn't know that a project of this scope didn't require permitting and inspection. Attempting to blame a department employee who they claim gave them verbal approval, which is not a thing, is pathetic. No clue what the "jealous" comment even means. 😂

@russell7489 Жыл бұрын

Duhhhhh yeah , & if selectively enforcing laws it has to pony up why in court.

@travelinman70 Жыл бұрын

sounds like an entitled self centered snowflake is getting upset that other people exist.

@mlblja Жыл бұрын

She has no answers! Sounds like the City is trying to nickle and dime homeowners!!

@santy33143 27 күн бұрын

No really, who would expend 200K+ .... just bring the thing to code for 10K or less and that it

@CherryGryffon 26 күн бұрын

@@santy33143 It's not a code violation. Did you even watch the video? They're being told AFTER it's been built, AFTER the city inspector approved it, that it required a permit to be built. They would have to (potentially) Demolish it and REBUILD IT, after having a permit to do so. If they were LUCKY, they MIGHT be allowed to pay a fine equal to or greater than the cost of whatever permits they allegedly required, but considering how much the city has invested in litigation, I highly doubt it.

@jacquelynbailey3438 24 күн бұрын

Just look how beautiful. They should not be fined for beautification of our world!

@Chris_at_Home 24 күн бұрын

Also the city stands to make money off the increased value of the property. Where I live the only inspections come from the bank, if you build out of pocket like we did on a couple places no inspections are required.. The only thing that needs a certified person is the installation of the septic system and the homeowner can get that certificate for his own place. Even the power company lets us put in our own meter base with the installation instructions they give us.

@notsure2105 27 күн бұрын

$240,000 against the unlimited wallet of the govt with tax dollars to use. And this is all due to the nosy neighbor. It’s all so stupid. Just fine them and move on the waste of time and money by the city is ridiculous.

@Dagreenberg68 Жыл бұрын

All laws must be clear otherwise that opens the door for corruption and abuse

@jaystarr4174 Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately laws are about interpretation, how do you think attorneys and judges are staying in business and doing so well even during COVID. And the better they are at twisting and turning the interpretation (lying) of said law, the more successful they become. There is no such thing as clear laws, because everyone's interpretation is a little different. So the attorney who can come up with the best BS interpretation wins. Makes ya sick doesn't it.

@frotobaggins7169 Жыл бұрын

MOST laws are intentionally vague on purpose so they can apply them for situations not originally intended.

@Ragnarra Жыл бұрын

@@frotobaggins7169 Your not wrong a lot of laws are like that when it would be easier to be concise and not be dumb like they didn't have a cup of joe and still get it passed because they thought it was a great idea at the time. I swear all of them need to be looked over by both Grammerly and a literature major.

@tomas746 28 күн бұрын

@@jaystarr4174so what is the bs interpretation here? The plain language of the ordinance says patios above 18 inches. This is obviously not even remotely vague. The issue is one of enforcement.

@RitaMoore-um6dm Жыл бұрын

The part that bothers me is the inspectors that came out didn't tell them they needed a permit.

@carolr7823 Жыл бұрын

Or so they claim. They don't have any proof of that.

@MR.Drowsy158 Жыл бұрын

Maybe just get a permit B4 building... It's a safety thing. And a 15 year old knows that, not to mention a homeowner with a million+ dollar home on geist.

@MR.Drowsy158 Жыл бұрын

They should have spent that $240k on ripping it up, not fighting something everyone in the US knows

@Shawn-zi8jp 7 ай бұрын

@carolr7823 No, If you read about the case, the city inspector reports are very clear that they came out, inspected the property, met with the builders and this family, and said no permits were needed.

@godbluffvdgg Ай бұрын

Sounds like a lie to me and they should have paperwork...That guy just did a silent violation on them...

@SeshOne 25 күн бұрын

"It's been easily the worst experience of our lives". I about died hearing that.

@LowInformation 18 күн бұрын

Life's tough in a 6,000 sq ft cabin on the lake with a $200k boat.

@theshadowfax239 16 күн бұрын

The moment they said that I lost all sympathy for them. They must live a charmed life if that's the worst experience of their lives. 🙄😂

@mafurock33 16 күн бұрын

@@theshadowfax239 Amen to all of this. What is being done to them is not OK, but they reek of privilege.

@gatolibero8329 13 күн бұрын

The humanity. 😢

@mykidsaresupercute 13 күн бұрын

Yeah, they lost me there.

@nojunkallowed 21 күн бұрын

How on Earth did those people think that building that retaining wall on reservoir did not require a permit? It's right on the reservoir!!!! The news trying to cast this as a "little known requirement" or just "extendeding a patio" is total BS. It's a beautiful patio, retaining wall, and lower patio, so an experienced builder must have built it, so he must have obviously known a permanent was required. I bet this couple knows the owner of the new station.

@GrouchoTM Жыл бұрын

The city should be held accountable since the inspector said they didn't need a permit! Should also be considered harrassment!

@dirtfarmer7070 Жыл бұрын

I'm sure that was never in writing.

@philgar7786 Жыл бұрын

And, where is the proof that was even said by anyone?

@banjobenson9348 Жыл бұрын

yea he no longer works here or no one would say that.

@philgar7786 Жыл бұрын

@@banjobenson9348 To begin with, I was too nice. The OP is complete nonsense, nonsense he got from the self-entitled liars in this video. Talking means absolutely nothing! What to build? Make a plan; present it to the proper city department; a permit may be required, or not; or, the plan may need multiple permits; or, the plan may be denied. There is no way anyone can convince me the people in this video did not know that.

@banjobenson9348 Жыл бұрын

@@philgar7786 Probably correct you know when you live in a commie city as to how govt is going to treat you ahead of time. thats why the left coast is losing so many people.

@amandasuppes6612 Жыл бұрын

It’s great to be SOOO free, right guys?!

@collinsfriend1 Жыл бұрын

and the people enforcing this probably complain about big government all the time.

@travelinman70 Жыл бұрын

just don't be ignorant of the laws and regulations of the land.

@amandasuppes6612 Жыл бұрын

@@travelinman70 your own land should be your own. Besides the law of the land is the constitution, not a bunch of arbitrary codes.

@puppetmaster1403 Жыл бұрын

@@amandasuppes6612 I want to turn my land next to a school into a superfund dumping site specializing in airborne toxic chemicals! 🥰

@amandasuppes6612 Жыл бұрын

@@puppetmaster1403 fair point, lol. But this specific situation is silly, it doesn’t encroach on neighbors, it’s clearly all about revenue. Also, our air, water, and crops are already full of toxins lol.

@toldt 22 күн бұрын

I'm certain they feel harassed and frustrated, but they live on a lake with a boat, that's hardly hell compared to what many people go through just to get by.

@PuffOfSmoke 25 күн бұрын

Imagine being hard-headed to pursue it in court for six years spending more money than to rebuild it with permit.

@brendamoon2660 Жыл бұрын

Did that city representative not say there is a clear answer as to when a permit is or is not required? That's insane. They need to have ordinances in place like every other city in the US that clearly state what is not allowed and what requires a permit.

@AdakStillStands Жыл бұрын

Permits and future taxing issue halted a simple 10'x10' wood deck for a home entry for a disabled senior. Sooo I parked a pontoon boat for a deck. No permits needed to park a boat on her riverfront property! Much more versatile than a wood slab with its aluminum construction, built-in railings and storage seating.

@angelxtasy 16 күн бұрын

Man that is crazzzy. Lord have mercy. Now I’m gonna have to go get a permit for my front porch.

@anonygrazer3234 21 күн бұрын

An inspector literally came on their property and told them no permit was necessary THEN issued cease work orders AFTER constitution's over? Someone needs FIRED. Then this couple should be given a waiver.

@tmreadynow1236 Жыл бұрын

The city had better start finding some of those answers before they end up on the wrong end of a class action law suit.

@hippiebits2071 Жыл бұрын

Sadly, there are no grounds if the code existed prior to the construction being underway.

@timc9893 Жыл бұрын

@@hippiebits2071 I think you'll find that if the code is excessively vague, and is not applied uniformly, a court would likely find it to be null and void.

@hippiebits2071 Жыл бұрын

@Tim C I hope they will do a follow up on the outcome of this.

@davidwest2917 Жыл бұрын

Why do we let government do this to us?😩🇺🇲

@user-qs1mq4ir8b 18 күн бұрын

from someone in europe, this is pure madness, what a fucking circus over a simple patio. in other countries, building this would be a non-issue with no permit

@CeicelRockMonster 16 күн бұрын

Just as soon as I heard, this has been the worst experience in my life. I lost all sympathy.

@SeanPat1001 Жыл бұрын

I’m surprised the contractor didn’t secure a permit. That’s been my experience for any kind of extensive work.

@ChrisBruhn Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY, jeez that deck a little more than some treated timber coming off the back of the house. Case of self-entitlement?

@triggabun Жыл бұрын

@@ChrisBruhn I said the exact same thing. They are so close they are even blocking access. How they could think that was ok is beyond me.

@ericgardner5548 Жыл бұрын

@@triggabun Not blocking anything. It's their property and their dock access. It's all private property there.

@triggabun Жыл бұрын

@@ericgardner5548 Actually no. You can own beach front property but that doesn't mean you can build up to the water. Same with houses. You can't build up to the street.

@ericgardner5548 Жыл бұрын

@tterie no shit Sherlock. It's called easements, And as far as beach property it depends on the state. But they did neither. So your comment is irrelevant.

@lesmounteer625 Жыл бұрын

It's time the people tell the government to stay out of our lives

@capefearcapt4679 Жыл бұрын

I mean why do we need any laws, ordinances, building codes and rules anyway?!

@sheelfjohnson Жыл бұрын

You should definitely do that. 😂 But don't call when your house is on fire or there is a giant sinkhole in the road to your house or a flood or tornado or...

@merrywalsh2809 Жыл бұрын

You will be the first to complain when the government does not do anything to help you, like repairing the road to your home, responding to your 911 call, helping you out with a neighbor who decides to build a racetrack in their back yard….the list goes on.

@mandybradley3079 Ай бұрын

Democrats are for more government. A fact.

@thecriticalj7833 24 күн бұрын

what's sadder: a town trying to control what you add or a neighbor that just wants to cause drama

@bobhughes9628 28 күн бұрын

Contractor should have known that a permit was required.

@markbosnick8006 Жыл бұрын

Builders of any kind are supposed to know State and County regulations before performing any construction.

@lanialost1320 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Their builder messed up, and should have sought a permit.

@zannejae196 Жыл бұрын

Yes!! The entire time I was thinking this.

@huu7hbbjko Жыл бұрын

No. The patio was repaired. There was an existing patio. The builder made it better. (Edit) The inspector told them they were fine.

@SegoMan 26 күн бұрын

The city can't even explain if a permit is needed or not..

@Redvines69 19 күн бұрын

I like how they waited till they were partway through to ask if they needed a permit, and then didn't even really ask the right entity.

@thefrozengoat 21 күн бұрын

That pissed off neighbor feeling like a champ right now

@Artanis1000 Жыл бұрын

The patio looks amazing. In a sane world, the ruling should be: does this harm anyone, does it harm the community, does it harm the neighbor, does it harm the environment? The answer is obviously NO. These are are just vindictive, insane bureaucrats.

@emilyfeagin2673 Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure about environmental laws there. But there may be rules about building so close to water

@cybersal7 Жыл бұрын

It harms the neighbor’s Karen wife because she doesn’t have one

@wownewstome6123 25 күн бұрын

But applying for a permit is how all that is determined. Taking an inspector's word for it vs getting it in writing that no permits are needed is not what a responsible person does.

@wownewstome6123 25 күн бұрын

Getting permits is wise on even small projects, because it documents the date of construction with the city/county. Then when stricter codes are created, the gov can't come back and fine you for breaking a code that didn't exist at the time.

@avachannel4926 Жыл бұрын

When you ask the city representative if you need a permit and they say "no" make sure you record it.

@PH7018c Жыл бұрын

Agree.. it is called a "not objection certificate".. it is not a permit to do something, but a certificate that they dont oppose what you are doing.. if need permits have to get them..

@auggiedoggiesmommy1734 12 күн бұрын

These people really are lucky that a patio is the worst thing that has ever happened in their lives.

@ottawavalleybushcraft 24 күн бұрын

Architectural technologist here. The owner is responsible to apply for permits before going ahead with construction. Just work with the city beforehand to make sure you know the bylaws that apply. You’re gambling otherwise.

@JaRule6 Жыл бұрын

What confuses me is that they had to hire somebody to do this job. Usually a contractor pulls the permits for you. The fact that they assume they could build something this big and intricate without a permit blows my mind

@juelzm149 Жыл бұрын

This is where I'm at! No one is talking about this. Why didn't they go physically see for themselves BEFOREHAND what if any permits they would need?! 🤦🏾

@Allan_A Жыл бұрын

Maybe the contractor was also told they didn't need a permit? Even the city lady couldn't say when a permit is or isn't needed and it's her job! That doesn't look like a bootleg job, so assuming the contractor was legit, this whole situation is petty. The city needs maybe fine them and move on, or send out inspectors for ALL the properties with improvements. This seems targeted 🤷‍♂️

@cybersal7 Жыл бұрын

Everybody is disregarding that the fact that the first inspector that came said they were fine the way they were.

@quademasters249 Жыл бұрын

@@cybersal7 That's what they claim at least. Who knows what was really said "It looks ok but I need to go back to the office and check the zoning".

@unknownuserbutnotabuser Жыл бұрын

@@juelzm149 because they think theyre SPECIAL that they were even allowed to HAVE lakefront property in the first place the city oughta kick em the phuck out is what they oughta do

@slarsen6653 Жыл бұрын

The demise of private property by bureaucrats - maddening

@NipItInTheBud100 Ай бұрын

Yes and no! This example is crazy and an unusual situation. just because you own property doesn’t give you the right to do whatever you want on it! That used to be common sense and respect to your fellow neighbor but unfortunately those are things that are lost these days

@chrischristides Ай бұрын

@@NipItInTheBud100 The fellow neighbor doesn't make your mortgage payment, respect is earned, not granted to whiny sniveler's that don't mind their own business, when tables are turned you lose.

@mindfornication4funn Ай бұрын

BECAUSE of your NEIGHBORS

@Group_Anonymous 28 күн бұрын

Don’t California my Indiana 🥴🤣🤣

@NipItInTheBud100 28 күн бұрын

@@Group_Anonymous yeah? If Indiana is so great then why do I see so many people with Indiana plates working in other states!!

@Bob-mn7ob 17 күн бұрын

A building inspector said no permits needed? Sounds unlikely. There is likely more to this story.

@malvarado5955 23 күн бұрын

So sorry, I stand with you as a homeowner myself

@Moondog9330 Жыл бұрын

Government at it again. Criminal all of them. Rules as they go.

@Rozebunny14 Ай бұрын

So because of a neighbors petty complaint, the city is looking for ways to extract money from the city folks because of their vague information and enforcement. Almost seems intentional, being the inspector said to carry on.. Leave these people alone. Leave the city alone but from this day forward, make the already permit requirement crystal clear and move forward. And maybe pay these people back for all or at least some of their legal fees. Their patio looks super relaxing. A shame they have to worry constantly.

@jaystrickland4151 28 күн бұрын

My guess is the City initially didn't care and the neighbor dug through city code to find something to screw his neighbor over.

@Anon-tm3uh 18 күн бұрын

Jealous neighbour are just bad in any city or in any country for that matter.

@gaildidicher7992 26 күн бұрын

If a neighbour doesn’t like what you’ve done, there’s always a hidden bylaw that can be used to screw you over.

@PJMontoya 18 күн бұрын

They spent $200K on a patio and never bothered getting a permit? That’s on them

@Justagirlnamedshawn Жыл бұрын

If they tell you that you do not need a permit...demand one...or get it in writing that it isnt required. Sounds like, from this city rep being interviewed, doesnt know her head from her a$$.

@luana1600 Жыл бұрын

My mom used to say, they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

@JohnsonMark-wc9mi Жыл бұрын

Aww 🥰 where did you got that fantastic smile from?

@timbrown9305 Жыл бұрын

Your right however, it still won't work. These people are TYRANTS and we continue letting our government rule us. Look what the Republicans have allowed to have happen. Our ballot box stuffing president (and all his minions including people who denied access for inspection of the vote counting) should all be on trial for TREASON. But no, they will be allowed to come to your house very soon as IRS agents take not only your rights (which you allow them to do) but they will take every dime they can get their hands on.

@jamesalderman5387 Жыл бұрын

😮 $200,000 in legal fees? There is no way a lawyer has worked 800 hours on this case.

@HermannTheGreat Жыл бұрын

They're billing $300-350+ an hour now to "communicate" through email and write letters.

@paintilludrop Жыл бұрын

And it time to stop..too much $$..you can make it fit the law. Clear rules are needed. Little house built for that money.. Grandfather rule

@lilymcnabb6621 Жыл бұрын

they could have ripped out and redone the entire project with a permit for 20-30% of the cost of these legal fees. the courts should assess whether the property is structurally sound and if so, just fine the people for no permit. any part of the structure on other's property, tear down. i think the city then needs to clarify their rules and enforce everywhere. if it hasn't been enforced until now, that is a precedent and should undermine the city's case.

@travelinman70 Жыл бұрын

Home owner chose to not pull permits or expect the GC. And is now paying the price. Ounce of prevention.

@heavy1metal 23 күн бұрын

A little misleading, most scenarios you can file for a permit afterwards and get approved. If they are being ordered to tear it down it is because they have a violation or two.

@jimthompson717 Күн бұрын

If it encroaches, done without permits, it's wrong. For this guy to say this is the worst thing that's happened to him in his life, shows a real sense of entitlement.

@treborretsnom6186 Жыл бұрын

I got 99 problems, and a millionaire's foolishness with his money AIN'T ONE OF THEM ...

@erinshaw6266 Жыл бұрын

🙌 Thank you!!!! These must be other rich people ragging on the neighbor who reported it. 🙄 Why tf is this even a story? 🤦‍♀️

@Rossgirls Жыл бұрын

@@acgillespie Jealous !!!!!! Go back to watching Jerry Springer !!!!

@davebrown4841 Жыл бұрын

Hi 🤡, the government goes after the average folks just as much. Good try democrat cheerleader.

@The_Bad-Guy Жыл бұрын

It’s a story to warn other riches that hiring illegal alien owned businesses or illegal alien workers, will result in more than the structural cost legally owned companies. I’m glad riches are finally being held accountable for hiring their modern day slaves, aka illegal alien cheap labor cost. If more start paying for hiring them, they start deporting themselves when riches stop using them over American own company. Easy solution to this problem, stop using illegals for slaves, hire American and pay some of them riches to Americans to be used in America to be taxed. Instead of the majority of the money being sent to the country they invaded from. The majority of the money never hits economy to be taxed, causing more taxes for citizens. Than 90% of the workers wives claim welfare due to no taxable income since they are paid under the table, causing citizens to pay more taxes to support them and their families, while watching job after job go to these illegals just to save a few thousand. Scum riches deserve this every time they hire illegals.

@_DB.COOPER Жыл бұрын

You sound so jealous, but thanks for taking time out from your many problems to let people know how you feel. We were all wondering. 😝😂😆🤣😆😆

@kaythegardener Жыл бұрын

Always do your own research, never take the word of city employees without verifying their answers!!

@karenneill9109 29 күн бұрын

As soon as I saw that patio- I noticed the retaining wall. Where I live, retaining walls over 18” have to get a permit. That has a four foot wall. If it’s not built properly, it will end up in the lake. That said, when an inspector said ‘It’s all good.’, that was a major error on that point.

@user-ln7of9gs4s 17 күн бұрын

An engineer would probably be required to get the permit approved.

@karenneill9109 17 күн бұрын

@@user-ln7of9gs4s Yup. And that’s gonna cost ya! That’s why people build decks on stilts on the edges of lakes. They require a lot less engineering to build safely.

@ravenrock541 Ай бұрын

When a city inspector tells you to go ahead, I call that a permit by the city

@marks814 Ай бұрын

I always "make that step" and the ONE time I was told 'good to go' there was a problem. Cities do not train adequately, Get Everything in writing if they say that no permit is needed.

@Bretware904 Ай бұрын

She is amazingly clueless, fire everyone and rebuild the department.....

@jkgkj00 21 күн бұрын

Its the entire country bro, every institution

@rebeccamorgan4255 25 күн бұрын

I would issue a complaint on everyone in the city with a patio close to 18 inches and get more people involved.

@ec6443 7 күн бұрын

If you dont have clear cut rules, then there are no riles. Otherwise it is just a money grab by the city.

@hewittzhotwheelz Жыл бұрын

It is just ridiculous that this is even a problem, but I can't feel sorry for someone that can spend 240,000 just to defend a patio. Its all about money to the city, thats all, and obviously this guy has it to throw away.

@missychan63 Жыл бұрын

Hallelujah! I couldn't agree more. They aren't going to win this, they need to put their little ego in their back pocket, tear it out and do it right. I'm not saying I agree with the city but to spend that kind of money to argue it? Ridiculous.

@grammysapeep9013 Жыл бұрын

Jealous?

@cybersal7 Жыл бұрын

Be a sheep. Give in even after you’re told that the job it’s OK. If necessary, I think there should be a go fund me to support this homeowners lawsuit. Between the time of being told by the inspector that it was fine, and the three tickets written something happened, and that was a jealous neighbor, whose property line was not even affected. A Kevin and his Karen wife. How many hundreds of other homeowners have the same exact problem but yet it’s not being addressed. There’s no fairness when you get a Karen for a neighbor.

@jbrandt7 Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, if it wasn’t for richer folks pushing back against government overreach, government would run all over everyone- since the little guy can’t afford to challenge the government

@melaniem5971 Жыл бұрын

It really is the builder’s responsibility to know when a permit is required and get a permit- if they are licensed to do business in that county or town or city they should be familiar with “the rules”. This county could just “ grandfather” the patio since it was a replacement & make their “rules” more clear in the future. I wonder why this family is being targeted. In my community we are trying to get a hard copy of “the rules” since they seem to be broken all the time.

@dojo1249 Жыл бұрын

neighbor who complained has friends in court that lines their pockets

@pulaski1 Жыл бұрын

The premise of your post is flawed because many people build their own deck or patio. It really isn't that difficult and I would do either myself, without using a contractor.

@Sypherz Жыл бұрын

It isn't eligible for grandfathering since they changed the dimensions. It pretty much has to be an exact replacement for that sort of thing.

@johnnyboyvan 23 күн бұрын

The city must get rid of that patio. Bring the money 💰 to the city.

@turtlehermit6047 24 күн бұрын

I live out in the woods in rural Tennessee on a 150 acre farm. We can literally build just about anything here.. Know the laws etc in your state.. Also get too know your neighbours.. Because its always your neighbours that complain on you.

@markhetz1119 Жыл бұрын

This is everywhere you can’t build anything on your own property without the government wanting you to grease the dirty little palms Makes me sick

@timbrown9305 Жыл бұрын

Then Mark, do something about it. You sound like one of those Republicans that just allow the democrats to destroy our country. You allowed ballot box stuffing and democrats to keep officials from the Republican side to be rejected from the verification process. ALL Republicans allow this crap then they individually complain instead of unifying and going after them. Just like every comment here no one will do anything and you deserve what you will allow. Think they will stop here? Hope you don't have money because they approved 87,000 IRS agents (this time with GUN) to show up at your door while your neighbors will part their curtains and peer through with one eye to watch YOUR destruction.

@TheRealScooterGuy Жыл бұрын

I'm not in your city -- or even your time zone -- but where I live, the purpose of a permit is to ensure the work is done to code. When my city finds that work was done without a permit, there is a process to correct that, which does not cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. The point is to ensure safety and that structures are not infringing on the rights of others -- it's not about feeding government bureaucracy.

@jennifer_mertens 23 күн бұрын

Building anything(of that size) near a lake, especially out of concrete, usually need permits. The one to blame is the initial inspector that told them "no permits were needed". Had the Pecks gotten the proper permits, this wouldn't be an issue.

@rolandthethompsongunner64 3 күн бұрын

If the original inspector didn’t mention a permit these people should win their lawsuit.

@doubledforge Жыл бұрын

The government never misses an opportunity to squeeze another dollar out of homeowners and taxpayers.

@ThatsMrPencilneck2U Жыл бұрын

There is nothing like arbitrary code enforcement.

@doug.a.2665 Жыл бұрын

well said

@davidandrews5262 Жыл бұрын

If youtube ran communities

@jasonpatterson2143 Ай бұрын

The city would have never showed up had the neighbor not complained. Once the neighbor complained their hands are tied.

@eli20099 15 күн бұрын

Applying for a permit is also so easy. Half the time they come back and say I don’t need one which is also in writing. It seems like a very easy first step that could have saved a future headache.

@LotsofWhatever 18 күн бұрын

The couple got on the city's radar because a neighbor complained. That the first inspector didn't say something is a big problem for the city. The side facing the water is more wall and likely need some serious engineering so it wouldn't fall over. So just looking at how that was built of course they needed a permit.

@DATo_DATonian Жыл бұрын

Anytime you are getting ANY construction to your property no matter WHERE you live it is wise to check on building permits. Since there are so many people who would be affected by this issue I would think that all _potential_ property owners who would be affected should petition their politicians to rescind this ordinance.

@ItsMe-yv9jd Жыл бұрын

These guys are acting quite smug considering they definitely knew they should have brought the patio/kitchen plans to the the city and asked if a permit was needed before they started the renovation... they just didn't want to pay the permit fees and they thought they were too smart to get caught. (You can be sure if their neighbour built a loud obnoxious party patio right next to their quiet lakefront property, they would be all up in their face too.)

@GeistGuy Жыл бұрын

I am the homeowner in this story. We are not smug, we've been harassed by the City for six years! We just want our lives back. Please send an email of support to the City.

@DATo_DATonian Жыл бұрын

@@GeistGuy I am very sorry for all the headaches and expense you guys are experiencing over this. It is a stupid ordinance and it makes me sick. It seems that your local officials know even less about their own rules than the homeowners. This inability to define their own laws alone should have resulted in a dismissal of the complaint. As I said you should have checked in advance to see if permits were required, but from the response of the female official in the video I doubt that they could have given you a satisfactory answer at the time if you had.

@cmnr8487 Жыл бұрын

@@ItsMe-yv9jd the city told them they didn't need a permit.

@mousiem4864 Жыл бұрын

Most of that patio could be considered a retaining wall, with a patio close to it.

@bonnieinla Жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking-retaining wall or bulkhead

@capefearcapt4679 Жыл бұрын

@@bonnieinla you need a permit for a retaining wall as well. What GC in his right mind would do a project of this scope without building permits. Also, it appears to have been built in the set-back and I could see multiple building code violations relating to safety.

@cybersal7 Жыл бұрын

This was the repair of an existing patio with improvements

@merrywalsh2809 Жыл бұрын

Yes, a retaining wall that close to the shoreline can adversely effect the neighboring properties, causing water to encroach on them more than if the shore had not been hardened next to it. More a problem on the ocean, but still can be a problem on a lake also, due to boat wakes and wind waves.