Great info! My Yang comes from Chengfu and Yang Jian Hao through Li (Jinglin, Yulin, and Tianji.) Sometimes I practice the large frame Yang more classically, and sometimes more like this. I wish I knew more about Li Xiang Yuan!

I can definitely see those movements that went into Sun, such as the way of doing single whip, follow steps, punch down, etc. (My understanding is the best application for that punch down is to use the shoulder and treat it as a throw:)

Sun style is a Wu Hao style but it is not original Wu Hao. Learn both and you will understand.

This is the Wu/Hao form that GM Tung Ying Chieh Learned from master Li Xing Yuan, before joining Yang Chen Fu.

There is a lot of Xing yi flavor in old Taiji (Yang, Wu, Wú). It's been lost since Yang Chengfu simplified Yang style, and afterward due to the communist a lot has been lost in chinese martial art generally speaking.

neijiatao my observation also. it seems to be an early sun style since he looks at the right hand during single whip. wu hao looks at the left hand on single whip instead

This is Sun Style but not the first generation because at 1.27 he moves into 'ward off, roll back, press, tuck in robes' which Sun Lu T'ang didn't teach when he wrote his detailed book on the Form in 1921. It was originally a brush knee twist step and strum the lute at that point. Sun was often changing his Taiji Form as he liked to practice linking Xingyi and Bagua moves into Hao Taiji together, this integration ultimately became Sun style Taiji and he refined it further... But it appears to be early footage certainly.

Or rather the Sun style should be properly called Wu/Hao ;)

Sun style is based off this. Not the other way around.

No, Sun style is based on this. Not the other way around.

Wu Hao Single whip isn't done this way looking at right hand. This is why I say it's sun. I practice both. Wu Hao has no deliberate open and close hands. I never said sun came from Wu Hao

Where do you think Sun got it from? (Do your research. Sun is also one of my Sitaigung 师太公 :)

This style is the oldest Taiji style properly speaking

@@happylobsterpatatas not

All Taiji styles borrowed some of this

This is the base of Sun style form.

I've read his manual several times and saw his daughter perform it. He was indeed an excellent martial artist and scholar

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Flying Phoenix I agree. he looks at the right hand on single whip

The energy is definitely Sun Style, but this practitioner is quite good. Proper Hao style energy stays largely under the ground.

@@TaiChiGhost Maybe he practice Sun style as well, but it seems to me that this is Wu/Hao style.

@@happylobsterpatatas The version of Hao style that I learned had no double jump kick, like the Chen or "Kuang-Ping" (a very old Yang style) has, nor does it include the Hsing-I style Half Step of Sun. But this performance illustrates why I chose not to learn the Sun style Tai-Chi; I did not want any cross pollination between these two systems. I had enough problems keeping my old Wu style separate from the more "refined" version of Wu style that I learned from Jane Yao, who also taught me the Hao style. Her Hao style came from Hao Shao-Ru, and the Wu style from Wu Ying-Hua and her husband, Ma Yu-Liang. I considered her systems authentic, and she was the best of my 11 teachers (over a 40 year period.) I studied many systems of Tai-Chi in an effort to find that "Golden Thread" which makes all authentic Tai-Chi systems work.

Bogus! Look at taijiquan in china nowadays. Complete crap.